While I hope to remain neutral so as not to let the Deep State divide us further, I have to disagree with you. Much of the “ancestral land” taken from people of the world happened during times of great expansion and discovery. And it’s not that I agree with it—the Spanish were particularly brutal to the Incas and Mayans—but it is wrong for you to compare these events with more modern examples of conquest. It is not at all the same context.
The Palestinians had lived in their region for 400 years in Modern Times. Displacing them from their homes and putting them in camps was so incredibly short sighted. Did we think there would be no hard feelings?
Where, if you can please show me, did this info on the Palestinians living in the land 400 years come from? I can show you where this very land was given to the Jews in perpetuity... BTW did you know that in the last several hundred years, when "Palestinians" were mentioned, it actually meant Jews... bc the whole area was named Syria-Palestina. https://www.prageru.com/video/israel-who-are-the-indigenous-people
I want to add that I agree with you that displacing people without regard for their humanity was never the answer.
As long as neither side has the capacity to "love their enemy" and treat each other with compassion, I don't see a solution.
I am merely trying to point out that this particular narrative of "ancestral land" is just another non-solution, probably in furtherance of some "power's" use of the Hegelian Dialectic to create more chaos. This "power" already has a "solution" in mind that will eventually be implemented.
No easy solution here, and I respect your point of view. I just don't want to see people have their compassion used against them.
Peace to you, Great Reflect! I'm learning here, and your point of view is appreciated.
What a wonderful reply. Thank you, too, for opening my eyes to another point of view.
I’m beginning to get concerned that we, as the awake and aware, are not moving forward with a plan to oppose the global elite. There are millions upon millions of people in the world opposed to the Great Reset. At what point do we stop reporting the horrors and urge peaceful action?
How do we save ourselves?
I must urge everyone to read Alexander Durgin’s book “The Great Awakening vs. The Great Reset.” This brave Russian philosopher intimately understands the situation the world is in and his solution is to spread awareness of the Great Awakening—which is a process where the people of the earth reclaim their identity and freedom. He argues many people across the world are against the Great Reset and progressive liberalism, and our best chance to defeat our elite masters is to make the Great Awakening a serious movement. He makes many profound points and presents an interesting history of liberalism. The book takes an hour or so to read.
The book is only available from the publisher in both print and digital form for $4.95. It has been banned elsewhere, of course.
It is not merely enough to oppose the Great Reset. We must, with great passion, unite together and find common ground to defeat our enemies with others in the world. Time is running short, however. Spreading the word is imperative.
It's certainly a vexed situation. It's the Jews' ancestral land, too. I'm not a student of the whole process leading up to the establishment of the Jewish state, but whether right, wrong, or both, it was done and now we have a nation there, so everything has to proceed from that fact. I'm not a big fan of the UN, and they have no sovereignty. You might soon find you don't agree with what they're trying to tell you to do, either. I'm fully in support of the U.S. following George Washington's advice to 'avoid foreign entanglements.' Ever since WWI, it seems, and certainly after WWII, we've been manipulated by whomever into acting as Big Brother to the world. The world should pull up their big kid panties and deal with their own problems.
It is said that the Jews never left, that they instead converted to Islam so that they would not have to pay the unbeliever tax. But even if this were not so, it is certain that the greater preponderance of Israelis are of European heritage, Ashkenazic Jewry, and with no Semitic blood in them. And this is also where Zionism, a largely Marxist phenomenon, comes from.
It turns out, once again, most of what we are told, had drilled into us ... is simply not true. And the rest is an admixture of half-truths and lies. And thus, it is what we don't know that is going to do us in ... and usher in an era of great gnashing of teeth. Invincible Ignorance will pay the piper.
OTHERWISE ... with referral to Big Brother, it is as you say it.
I'd be interested in seeing the genetic studies you refer to, showing zero relationship between Jews in different parts of the world. By 'heritage,' do you mean for all time, that no one in those genetic lines ever came from anywhere else? Not even, say, in 70AD and previous centuries? Some may have stayed and converted, as people vary in how they respond to threat, but are you claiming that none left, ever? And what do you think God meant by the promise to Abraham, that there had to be 100% genetic lines from the original family? We know it isn't so, as Rahab was a Canaanite, Ruth was a Moabite, and Bathsheba was legally a Hittite.
First, and getting it out of way, almost everything the Israelis power structure puts out is self-serving. Just the same as here as regards our 'ruler/oppressor’ class. And in a bit of understatement, the regular folks take it continually on the chin. And second, nothing here is all or nothing. But there are distinct histories. The below hints in that direction as resources to go to.
The first big distinction in Jewry is between Ashkenazi and Sephardic. Ashkenazim are predominantly Northern European (heavy concentrations in Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Germanic lands, etc.). The Sephardic Jews are Levantine … and who migrated and colonized thorough the Mediterranean Basin (North Africa, Middle East, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Gaul and so on … and surely you remember the Merchant of Venice by Shakespeare!). Some Ashkenzaim possess an admixture of Sephardic DNA and vice versa … and a lot has to do with migrational proximities and intermarriage opportunity. This link below is my first hit as to a map. It is not great, but you at least can see there is a distinction to be made between Sephardic and Ashkenzaim, and made by Jews themselves. I’ve only made a short glimpse. I suppose you can learn something here. But so, far I don’t have great confidence in it. The waters seem to be somewhat muddied here.
The Kingdom of the Khazars figures in and as being sandwiched between the Byzantine and the Turkic World. Being a commercial kingdom and not wanting to offend world in collision, the Khazars rejected the Byzantine (Christianity) and also the Turkic Dynasties (Islam). The Khazars instead did the safe thing and choose to become Jewish … a sort of straddle position. This is Wikipedia where nothing is straightforward when it come to ‘controversial’ topics. The caution is that there in some ‘misdirection’ in this citing. However, if you dig deeper, you will come to see that the Khazar Kingdom played a key role in where we have arrived in our own time. And it is not obvious at first glance.
The greatest writer on things pertaining to Jews is Kevin MacDonald. I recommend Separation and Its Discontents and The Culture of Critique. The Usual Suspects attacked MacDonal mercilessly for years, calling him an anti-Semite. But then again, an anti-Semite is anybody organized Jewry does not like because they don’t like what is being said. However, I found Kevin MacDonald very accurate, meticulous to a fault and everything totally footnoted which means anyone can do further research to see what is what. Kevin MacDonald is retired now.
One other very interesting book is a little known somewhat suppressed book by Alexander Solzhenitsyn, various translated as Two Hundred Years of Living Together, Two Hundred Years Among US, Two Hundred Years Among. And if memory serves, Solzhenitsyn’s book is also heavily footnoted.
I am usually rather measured in what I say and in how I say it. And what you bring up is way beyond anything to be inferred from my statements. However, they may well be good areas of pursuit, good questions. But in the interest of economy, there is no way I can take these things up here. Because any response would necessarily have to be encyclopedic. The above sources are a good start. Especially the footnoted. Because footnotes get around algorithm censorship in the search engines.
I will reiterate for the sake of emphasis that most of what we are taught or otherwise have flashed before our eyes as are the shadows on Plato’s cave walk.
P.S. The Promise(s) to Abraham and Covenants and so on. In my humble opinion, this cannot be learned in the Fallen Churches ... these which are infiltrated, hollowed out, truncated, co-opted by the culture and rendered useless in defense of True Christian Faith as was practised for almost 2,000 years. What one finds in Christian history and the literature of the Reformation and what is put out today is a world split apart. And too much for this space. But if you harbor suspicions to all of this, you'd be right to.
"...P.S. The Promise(s) to Abraham and Covenants and so on. In my humble opinion, this cannot be learned in the Fallen Churches ... these which are infiltrated, hollowed out, truncated, co-opted by the culture and rendered useless in defense of True Christian Faith as was practised for almost 2,000 years. What one finds in Christian history and the literature of the Reformation and what is put out today is a world split apart. And too much for this space. But if you harbor suspicions to all of this, you'd be right to."
Very well put Dave. You have a much better way of putting things than I do. It is a "world split apart."
Well, Phil. My heir loom little poodle doggy called me 'a stoopid genius'. And yes I confess, I had a talking dog! And I suppose this you would find hard to believe, but it is true. Honest Abe! Ha, Ha! And I also made him wave at young girls whenever we were open windowed stopped at a traffic light. I'd pretend not to notice sort of looking kinda straight ahead. And the girls would always break out laughing at the sight of this waving dog. And they would wave back ...and this further animated the little fellow all the more. And then he simply could not contain himself ... and he always would wave back with even greater fanfare. If my wife was in the car in front of me, he would wave and she see it in the rear view mirror and wave back.
Some things, of course, are completely borrowed. And the best of writers study the best of other writers. And they could be in some cases dumb people by philosophical attitude, but they still write well. And many have been quite subversive. And so writing well is not necessarily the summa cum laude of all things to be desired.
Oh well ... and then again. I always read what you say ... recognizing that you penetrate for more deeply into the architecture of the covens of evil far more keenly than most people who seem come more to the party decked out with three money ears, eyes and mouths. And speaking of three monkey mouths, what are we to make of Christians who fall over the multi-colored rainbow without any of the advantages of poor Dorothy and Toto and fail to call 'the coalition' out for the damnable depravity that it is. These are the same people who put out BLM support signs on their front lawns like the dumb jabbed up wife of one of DeWife's nephews ... little realizing that BLM is a white hating pro-Marxist paid for proxy army. Such is the current topography, a quagmire of quicksand which swallows up one and all. And drags us down into oblivion. (a bit of sunshine here for ya!)
LOL.... We all stand on the shoulders of those who came before us although the church has forgotten her heritage. Part and parcel of the cancel culture that infects everything.
If only so many Muslims weren’t savages that thrive on hate and destruction. They’re the lowest form of human life. Their prophet was a pervert and they ruin everything they touch.
If you study scripture you find they are descendants of
Noah's son Ham. Noah placed a curse on Canaan (his grandson -Genesis 9 tells the story) that they will be the lowest of servants to all their brothers. Fast forward a couple thousand years and the prideful, Canaanite, maniac muhammad enters the picture preaching and teaching hatred and death to everyone who did not follow him. The bondage and evilness continues through these cursed people.
Just wait. You’re about to be declared an oppressor, who does not own what you think you own. A being so evil you have no right to be treated as a human being, no right to live. The victim class of the world has no boundaries.
Who did the Native American tribes take this land from? Maybe other tribes? Maybe the ones who came before? Which tribes took which land from who? Can you tell us? Who was enslaved by the winners, and thus became a part of them?
We all come from many different pasts. Some winners some losers. Sometimes both. Don’t hate.
We’re on the same side! I was just trying to call attention to the hypocrisy of calling the Israeli people oppressors, who should relinquish lands they took from their attackers.
Are we obligated to give everything back to the native Americans, except, of course, for what we owe the descendants of slaves, which in their calculation is pretty much the entire country?
If only Palestinians hadn't been forced off their ancestral lands & into a virtual prison.
If only Israel hadn't persisted in violating law & UN resolutions, taking more & more Palestinian territory with illegal settlements.
If only USUK would mind their own business & stop trying to boss the world.
If only...
Everyone lives on someone else's ancestral lands. Everyone.
This is a Marxist talking point, intended to stoke division.
There was certainly a Native American tribe that was dispossessed of the land that my house is sitting on.
There's never a proffered solution to this other than more violence.
Edit: No other solution until the State takes ownership.
While I hope to remain neutral so as not to let the Deep State divide us further, I have to disagree with you. Much of the “ancestral land” taken from people of the world happened during times of great expansion and discovery. And it’s not that I agree with it—the Spanish were particularly brutal to the Incas and Mayans—but it is wrong for you to compare these events with more modern examples of conquest. It is not at all the same context.
The Palestinians had lived in their region for 400 years in Modern Times. Displacing them from their homes and putting them in camps was so incredibly short sighted. Did we think there would be no hard feelings?
We have no temporal place to draw the lines. When does it stop?
Where, if you can please show me, did this info on the Palestinians living in the land 400 years come from? I can show you where this very land was given to the Jews in perpetuity... BTW did you know that in the last several hundred years, when "Palestinians" were mentioned, it actually meant Jews... bc the whole area was named Syria-Palestina. https://www.prageru.com/video/israel-who-are-the-indigenous-people
I want to add that I agree with you that displacing people without regard for their humanity was never the answer.
As long as neither side has the capacity to "love their enemy" and treat each other with compassion, I don't see a solution.
I am merely trying to point out that this particular narrative of "ancestral land" is just another non-solution, probably in furtherance of some "power's" use of the Hegelian Dialectic to create more chaos. This "power" already has a "solution" in mind that will eventually be implemented.
No easy solution here, and I respect your point of view. I just don't want to see people have their compassion used against them.
Peace to you, Great Reflect! I'm learning here, and your point of view is appreciated.
What a wonderful reply. Thank you, too, for opening my eyes to another point of view.
I’m beginning to get concerned that we, as the awake and aware, are not moving forward with a plan to oppose the global elite. There are millions upon millions of people in the world opposed to the Great Reset. At what point do we stop reporting the horrors and urge peaceful action?
How do we save ourselves?
I must urge everyone to read Alexander Durgin’s book “The Great Awakening vs. The Great Reset.” This brave Russian philosopher intimately understands the situation the world is in and his solution is to spread awareness of the Great Awakening—which is a process where the people of the earth reclaim their identity and freedom. He argues many people across the world are against the Great Reset and progressive liberalism, and our best chance to defeat our elite masters is to make the Great Awakening a serious movement. He makes many profound points and presents an interesting history of liberalism. The book takes an hour or so to read.
The book is only available from the publisher in both print and digital form for $4.95. It has been banned elsewhere, of course.
It is not merely enough to oppose the Great Reset. We must, with great passion, unite together and find common ground to defeat our enemies with others in the world. Time is running short, however. Spreading the word is imperative.
Here is the link to purchase the book.
https://arktos.com/product/the-great-awakening-vs-the-great-reset/
"There was certainly a Native American tribe that was dispossessed of the land that my house is sitting on."
So are you suggesting that 19th Genocide committed by Europeans against Native Americans makes 21st century genocide ok?
I'm saying that the present narrative is meant to divide and provoke more violence in furtherance of a plan for Statists to provide a solution.
Actually, the proffered solution, including from neocon Nikki Haley, is genocide.
2-state solution has been bandied about, but not acceptable to Netanyahoo. He does seem to be leaning toward Haley's comment.
Right up until it's time for the State to take over.
Palestine could have had their state a long time ago but they refused to accept peace and instead built rockets out of humanitarian aid.
exactly.
It's certainly a vexed situation. It's the Jews' ancestral land, too. I'm not a student of the whole process leading up to the establishment of the Jewish state, but whether right, wrong, or both, it was done and now we have a nation there, so everything has to proceed from that fact. I'm not a big fan of the UN, and they have no sovereignty. You might soon find you don't agree with what they're trying to tell you to do, either. I'm fully in support of the U.S. following George Washington's advice to 'avoid foreign entanglements.' Ever since WWI, it seems, and certainly after WWII, we've been manipulated by whomever into acting as Big Brother to the world. The world should pull up their big kid panties and deal with their own problems.
It is said that the Jews never left, that they instead converted to Islam so that they would not have to pay the unbeliever tax. But even if this were not so, it is certain that the greater preponderance of Israelis are of European heritage, Ashkenazic Jewry, and with no Semitic blood in them. And this is also where Zionism, a largely Marxist phenomenon, comes from.
It turns out, once again, most of what we are told, had drilled into us ... is simply not true. And the rest is an admixture of half-truths and lies. And thus, it is what we don't know that is going to do us in ... and usher in an era of great gnashing of teeth. Invincible Ignorance will pay the piper.
OTHERWISE ... with referral to Big Brother, it is as you say it.
I'd be interested in seeing the genetic studies you refer to, showing zero relationship between Jews in different parts of the world. By 'heritage,' do you mean for all time, that no one in those genetic lines ever came from anywhere else? Not even, say, in 70AD and previous centuries? Some may have stayed and converted, as people vary in how they respond to threat, but are you claiming that none left, ever? And what do you think God meant by the promise to Abraham, that there had to be 100% genetic lines from the original family? We know it isn't so, as Rahab was a Canaanite, Ruth was a Moabite, and Bathsheba was legally a Hittite.
First, and getting it out of way, almost everything the Israelis power structure puts out is self-serving. Just the same as here as regards our 'ruler/oppressor’ class. And in a bit of understatement, the regular folks take it continually on the chin. And second, nothing here is all or nothing. But there are distinct histories. The below hints in that direction as resources to go to.
The first big distinction in Jewry is between Ashkenazi and Sephardic. Ashkenazim are predominantly Northern European (heavy concentrations in Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Germanic lands, etc.). The Sephardic Jews are Levantine … and who migrated and colonized thorough the Mediterranean Basin (North Africa, Middle East, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Gaul and so on … and surely you remember the Merchant of Venice by Shakespeare!). Some Ashkenzaim possess an admixture of Sephardic DNA and vice versa … and a lot has to do with migrational proximities and intermarriage opportunity. This link below is my first hit as to a map. It is not great, but you at least can see there is a distinction to be made between Sephardic and Ashkenzaim, and made by Jews themselves. I’ve only made a short glimpse. I suppose you can learn something here. But so, far I don’t have great confidence in it. The waters seem to be somewhat muddied here.
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/4095674/jewish/Ashkenazi-and-Sephardic-Jews.htm#The
The Kingdom of the Khazars figures in and as being sandwiched between the Byzantine and the Turkic World. Being a commercial kingdom and not wanting to offend world in collision, the Khazars rejected the Byzantine (Christianity) and also the Turkic Dynasties (Islam). The Khazars instead did the safe thing and choose to become Jewish … a sort of straddle position. This is Wikipedia where nothing is straightforward when it come to ‘controversial’ topics. The caution is that there in some ‘misdirection’ in this citing. However, if you dig deeper, you will come to see that the Khazar Kingdom played a key role in where we have arrived in our own time. And it is not obvious at first glance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars
The greatest writer on things pertaining to Jews is Kevin MacDonald. I recommend Separation and Its Discontents and The Culture of Critique. The Usual Suspects attacked MacDonal mercilessly for years, calling him an anti-Semite. But then again, an anti-Semite is anybody organized Jewry does not like because they don’t like what is being said. However, I found Kevin MacDonald very accurate, meticulous to a fault and everything totally footnoted which means anyone can do further research to see what is what. Kevin MacDonald is retired now.
http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/books.htm
One other very interesting book is a little known somewhat suppressed book by Alexander Solzhenitsyn, various translated as Two Hundred Years of Living Together, Two Hundred Years Among US, Two Hundred Years Among. And if memory serves, Solzhenitsyn’s book is also heavily footnoted.
alexander solzhenitsyn 200 years together pdf
https://www.dogpile.com/serp?q=two+hundred+years+together+english+pdf&sc=LXZXMTGxjcjp10
I am usually rather measured in what I say and in how I say it. And what you bring up is way beyond anything to be inferred from my statements. However, they may well be good areas of pursuit, good questions. But in the interest of economy, there is no way I can take these things up here. Because any response would necessarily have to be encyclopedic. The above sources are a good start. Especially the footnoted. Because footnotes get around algorithm censorship in the search engines.
I will reiterate for the sake of emphasis that most of what we are taught or otherwise have flashed before our eyes as are the shadows on Plato’s cave walk.
P.S. The Promise(s) to Abraham and Covenants and so on. In my humble opinion, this cannot be learned in the Fallen Churches ... these which are infiltrated, hollowed out, truncated, co-opted by the culture and rendered useless in defense of True Christian Faith as was practised for almost 2,000 years. What one finds in Christian history and the literature of the Reformation and what is put out today is a world split apart. And too much for this space. But if you harbor suspicions to all of this, you'd be right to.
"...P.S. The Promise(s) to Abraham and Covenants and so on. In my humble opinion, this cannot be learned in the Fallen Churches ... these which are infiltrated, hollowed out, truncated, co-opted by the culture and rendered useless in defense of True Christian Faith as was practised for almost 2,000 years. What one finds in Christian history and the literature of the Reformation and what is put out today is a world split apart. And too much for this space. But if you harbor suspicions to all of this, you'd be right to."
Very well put Dave. You have a much better way of putting things than I do. It is a "world split apart."
Well, Phil. My heir loom little poodle doggy called me 'a stoopid genius'. And yes I confess, I had a talking dog! And I suppose this you would find hard to believe, but it is true. Honest Abe! Ha, Ha! And I also made him wave at young girls whenever we were open windowed stopped at a traffic light. I'd pretend not to notice sort of looking kinda straight ahead. And the girls would always break out laughing at the sight of this waving dog. And they would wave back ...and this further animated the little fellow all the more. And then he simply could not contain himself ... and he always would wave back with even greater fanfare. If my wife was in the car in front of me, he would wave and she see it in the rear view mirror and wave back.
Some things, of course, are completely borrowed. And the best of writers study the best of other writers. And they could be in some cases dumb people by philosophical attitude, but they still write well. And many have been quite subversive. And so writing well is not necessarily the summa cum laude of all things to be desired.
Oh well ... and then again. I always read what you say ... recognizing that you penetrate for more deeply into the architecture of the covens of evil far more keenly than most people who seem come more to the party decked out with three money ears, eyes and mouths. And speaking of three monkey mouths, what are we to make of Christians who fall over the multi-colored rainbow without any of the advantages of poor Dorothy and Toto and fail to call 'the coalition' out for the damnable depravity that it is. These are the same people who put out BLM support signs on their front lawns like the dumb jabbed up wife of one of DeWife's nephews ... little realizing that BLM is a white hating pro-Marxist paid for proxy army. Such is the current topography, a quagmire of quicksand which swallows up one and all. And drags us down into oblivion. (a bit of sunshine here for ya!)
BTW, apparently we have a fellow traveler by the name of TB......
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/sponsors-monday-october-9-2023-c/comment/41571458?utm_campaign=reaction&utm_medium=email&utm_source=substack&utm_content=comment
LOL.... We all stand on the shoulders of those who came before us although the church has forgotten her heritage. Part and parcel of the cancel culture that infects everything.
Sort of odd that those Europeans would have pretended to be Jews, considering the long history of bloody attacks on the Jews on that continent🤔.
Lol, clever girl.
Yes, and George Washington was neither Republican nor Democrat. He was an Independent. Smart!
If only so many Muslims weren’t savages that thrive on hate and destruction. They’re the lowest form of human life. Their prophet was a pervert and they ruin everything they touch.
If you study scripture you find they are descendants of
Noah's son Ham. Noah placed a curse on Canaan (his grandson -Genesis 9 tells the story) that they will be the lowest of servants to all their brothers. Fast forward a couple thousand years and the prideful, Canaanite, maniac muhammad enters the picture preaching and teaching hatred and death to everyone who did not follow him. The bondage and evilness continues through these cursed people.
You too.
You are disgusting. Blocking.
And that folks is how it happened.
Just wait. You’re about to be declared an oppressor, who does not own what you think you own. A being so evil you have no right to be treated as a human being, no right to live. The victim class of the world has no boundaries.
Who did the Native American tribes take this land from? Maybe other tribes? Maybe the ones who came before? Which tribes took which land from who? Can you tell us? Who was enslaved by the winners, and thus became a part of them?
We all come from many different pasts. Some winners some losers. Sometimes both. Don’t hate.
We’re on the same side! I was just trying to call attention to the hypocrisy of calling the Israeli people oppressors, who should relinquish lands they took from their attackers.
Your decolonization is being called for.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/blm-grassroots-aligns-itself-palestinian-terrorist-group-advocates/
Are we obligated to give everything back to the native Americans, except, of course, for what we owe the descendants of slaves, which in their calculation is pretty much the entire country?