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BBS's avatar

Don't get excited about Biden declaring Hamas a terrorist organization. He says the same thing about Trump supporters, parents who go to school board meetings, and people who didn't get the covid shot.

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Annie's avatar

Agree. It is more like " look at the middle east conflict. Ignore RFK Jr announcement, our own borders and all the SADS and turbo cancer." Nothing to see here. Keep moving on.

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RSgva's avatar

I’m a little worried, that many of us are reacting to what we think is ā€œthe boy who cried wolf.ā€ This is not a proxy war or a diversion for the US military industrial complex. It’s a massacre of civilians. Yes, a convenient pivot for the totally corrupt and incompetent Joe Biden. But we shouldn’t let that distract us from the savagery it is. Not a phony territorial ā€œdisputeā€.

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FourWinds's avatar

At the same time, I have to wonder hoe much we see and hear is 100% accurate. The media lies all the time. Think of the photos of dead Chinese (faked) and the dead Indians, which was not fake, but died from a gas explosion and not "covid". I'm not saying something awful isn't happening. I am saying things could be exaggerated or flat out lies. Why would our media suddenly start telling the truth? They would not.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I do follow a Jewish guy who is credible. His name is Amir Tsarfati. He landed in Israel yesterday or this morning. He left the US and went home. His reporting, I believe, shows what is actually happening. He has a biblical view also. He teaches on the Book of Revelation. Very knowledgeable. I haven’t followed his teachings necessarily, but I’ve heard him speak on videos and online. Which is why I followed him. He has over 350,000 followers on Telegram and climbing quickly. I can’t vouch for everything, but I tend to watch what he’s saying when it concerns Israel. And he’s more credible than any MSM reporting.

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Cynthia's avatar

I've been following Amir for three years now. Solid source of Middle East news and very on target with his Biblical teaching too.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Yes! I started a few years ago as well. I haven’t dug into his teachings much but from what I see he’s solid.

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Concerned mom's avatar

We've followed Amir for about 6 years now, when I was looking for understanding on the Bible from a Jewish/prophetic perspective. Amir visits So Cal regularly and we met him at Calvary Chapel Chino Hills. He has a beautiful testimony on how he found Jesus as a teenager, and has deep understanding of the word of God.

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KC & the Sunshine's avatar

LOVE Amir! He’s up there with Jeff Childers, for me.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Please don't associate Amir with Jeff.

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Cheryl Caraglior's avatar

I recently signed up for his Israel updates, too, Sunnydale. More reliable than lame stream media.

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Cheryl Caraglior's avatar

Sunnydale, sorry.

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Cheryl Caraglior's avatar

Stupid auto correct, I typed Sunnydaze both times.

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Martin's avatar

Who knows how many divorces caused by autocorrect?

Someday it will be a war.

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OnTheJump's avatar

Lol. It kicks us all in the backside from time to time.....

Btw, you should be able to 'edit' - if you have 3 horizontal dots, option to 'edit', or 'delete', possibly.

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Cheryl Caraglior's avatar

Thanks I'll try that.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

šŸ˜‚ šŸ˜‚

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Dena's avatar

I think you mean Amir Tsarfati ( darn spellcheck!) an Israeli Christian. I recently read his book, he has tons of followers on Telegram where he’s been reporting.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Thank you! I knew the spelling wasn’t right. Ugh. I’ll go fix it.

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Debra (Rural & Red Oregonian)'s avatar

Amir is a very reliable and very sound Jewish Christian much like the apostle of Jesus were. I have followed Amir on social media daily for the past 5 years and would trust him. He is a very intelligent, hardworking, servant of Jesus Christ. He loves the Lord first and foremost, loves others and loves his country.

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CitizenA's avatar

I follow the Messianic Jew Amir Tsarfati as well… on Telegram where he posts the latest facts he’s uncovered, and photos (although some are somewhat graphic.) And I listen to his Biblical teachings on Behold Israel. He has also given Bible studies and lectures with Pastor Jack Hibbs, and other notable pastors. I bought his book Revealing Revelation which was very helpful to understand the End Times. It might be advantageous to at least read/listen to him a few times to make your own conclusions about him. I feel he is very trustworthy.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I like him too. Like I said in a different comment, I follow him and have heard him speak and seen videos etc. Love Jack Hibbs and Gary Hamrick too. I think I’ll buy the Revelation book. Thanks!

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Thank you for the link. Most Americans know very little about Israel, but have very strong opinions.

They have their own internal power struggle with Leftist loons, which has led to the citizens being powerless against the terrorists that surround them. Very rigid firearm laws and other insane policies led to this present horror.

Not that different from the fight we’re in here.

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AngelaK's avatar

Where do Christian Palestinians fit in to the entire scenario there? I have heard some who were visiting in churches years ago, and they were condemning Israel. It was a bit uncomfortable for me to hear because:

I totally šŸ’Æ support Israel's right to existence but I guess that there are always two sides to every story?

These terrorists are to blame because they could give a damn about life, whether Christian, Muslim or Jew. They are just despicably evil.

Without their barbarism, peace may have been attainable. So sad

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Willing Spirit's avatar

There is certainly a well organized, well funded pro-Palestinian movement that I’m sure can come up with ā€˜Christian’s’ to indoctrinate churches in America.

I’d have to know a lot more to comment.

They can get sympathizers here;

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/blm-chicago-tweets-support-hamas-terrorists/

Who you have in the camp with you says a lot to me.

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AngelaK's avatar

As I said, I felt uncomfortable hearing her. She was an American professor married and living there, born into the same Christian faith tradition as myself. She may have been political but she lives there, we dont. I am sure that there are two ways to look at every conflict.

What we should all focus on is the evil of radical Islamic terrorism..Lets not forget ISIS who did the same thing to Syrian Christians but no one cared. So these terrorists are not anti Semite only, they are also anti Christians!

One group should not rile up heartstrings more than the other.

Very few in this country or world cared about Christians suffering the same fate. Infact, our country actually partnered with ISIS to depose Assad.

For now, my heartstrings are with Israelis though. Prayers for all innocents in war. šŸ™

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Concerned mom's avatar

Palestinian Christians, and I know a family, need to focus on Christ as the source of all their answers.

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Credenda's avatar

As we also must. He is the only Way to eternal life for all mankind.

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Dick's avatar

…and Jews, too. All people need to know the living God.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Yes. I see the number climbing. He has credibility. Thanks for the info on who he is and where he has served etc. I knew some of it but not all of it.

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CStone's avatar

I too have followed him for quite a while and find him to be very grounded in the Word and a credible source of information on what is happening on the ground in Israel.

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Lucy's avatar

I don't believe anything our media says. I never will again after the covid scam.

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Annie's avatar

You said it. šŸ’Æ

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Tracy's avatar

Me neither!!

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The Keys's avatar

I think it’s important to make people aware of something, now that rumors are swirling that there are foreign military plants in cities waiting to attack Americans.

During Covid, the Deep State constantly escalated and exaggerated the truth: they claimed full and overflowing hospitals. They exaggerated the number of deaths. Their purpose, of course, was to get us to take the vaccines, by making Covid appear worse than the plague. The point is they constantly lie and exaggerate. But there’s a method to their madness.

Now, suddenly, reports are flowing freely from the Deep State about these foreign militants on American soil. Some of the reporting on this is coming from the Deep State. They want us to be scared. Rumors of babies being beheaded and the like are being pushed on all the mainstream news outlets. They want you terrified. So, you have to keep your head about you. Do not take sides on this issue. That is what they want. They want us always divided so we don’t have time to focus on their dirty deeds. This war in Israel has been purposely started as a means to an end. It also provides a handy excuse to delay elections if a bigger war results from it.

What they want is the total destruction of society so we will accept their Great Reset when we are on our knees. But we don’t have to play. We don’t have to sign up. We don’t have to take sides. We just remain neutral p, awake and aware. We see the playing field from 40,000 feet. We know what they’re up to.

If you step back and look at everything from a 40,000 foot view, you will see the same patterns in all of these events. You will no longer be a victim of their psychological operations. You won’t participate. You won’t live your life in fear.

Be in control. Teach others to do the same.

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J Kaz's avatar

Thanks. I find myself going back and forth in my head....fear vs. facts...the leader of Hamas is calling for this Friday, the 13th for a Jihad, so that doesn't sit well with me......

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Leo's avatar

YES, Great Reflect, well stated: "They want you terrified. So, you have to keep your head about you. Do not take sides...They want us always divided..."

Because: "A house, divided against itself, cannot stand." "United we stand, divided we fall."

Polarizing, Dissing, Hating, those we disagree with only encourages others to do the same, which plays right into the Globalist's hands.

So, get smart - refuse to play their game. Refocus and get very creative.

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Concerned mom's avatar

Well, I'm going to start with this: I'm not even sure that what YOU are saying is 100% accurate. Some of it is true, but how much of it??? I'm going to TRUST in GOD and take Him at His Word... There is NO FEAR in Him and He gives excellent counsel.

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Ringmaster's avatar

I’m also reminded of the 1990 congressional testimony given by a Kuwaiti girl about how Iraqi soldiers had removed scores of babies from incubators and left them to die which turned out to be false but helped propel the U.S. into the First Gulf War.

https://citizentruth.org/fake-news-1990-that-ignited-gulf-war-sympathy/

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

There's actually videos of them snatching children up and beheading people.

One thing was fake doesn't mean everything is fake. I was told covid vaccines were accessible via Bluetooth. Does that mean everything Jeff posts about covid is fake?

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Ringmaster's avatar

There were also videos of people collapsing on the street in China at the beginning of the plandemic. It doesn’t hurt to be skeptical and wary, especially of events we don’t witness ourselves and when there may be a larger agenda at play.

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Elaine Elias's avatar

I think you have a good point. Distraction therapy. Biden can step up to the mic, give a rousing speech, so we can forget about his legal problems. Now he is a hero again.

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Lucy's avatar

He is NOBODY's hero. He is just pathetic and disgusting.

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

Who is running this country?

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Lucy's avatar

The Hidden Hand oligarchy. Very evil Beings and people who cannot be identified by the average human.

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

I'm starting to believe something like that.

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Wolfhound77's avatar

The MIC, big Pharma, and Big Tech. The "people" are not being represented, at all.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Not gonna work. He’s too far gone.

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

If you’re still looking at the media for your info, that’s your problem. There is information out there on this conflict that is true if you look for it. Everybody please stop using the media as an excuse to not believe what’s going on in the world. My best on the ground Israel source is Amir Tsarfati, telegram channel.

https://t.me/beholdisraelchannel

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Kim D's avatar

Following the MMS or getting sucked into even prolonged time spent on social media substacks is a way to keep the fear and emotions negative unless a person is very strong and can rise above the intented emotional roller coaster. Beware of your emotions as you read and communicate. Take the high road and keep your vibration at it's upermost level. This is how we combat evil.

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Peter GL's avatar

In a way, that’s why we read coffee & covid!

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nancy knox-bierman's avatar

Exactly!!! They only get worse with their lies and deception.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I think it’s both. It’s really happening and terrorists are terrorizing. It’s always the innocent civilians that get massacred. But, I think it’s being used to prop up joe and his regime, the infiltrated compromised Israeli govt is most likely in on allowing this to happen, shedding light on the money released to Iran (and other terrorist organizations over the years from obummer) and their total involvement in this regardless of their useless words denying it….. the list goes on and on. Shifting sending money from the corrupt Ukraine and Zalenski to now the entire war machine going to profit off what’s happening to Israel. Never let a crisis go to waste thinking. They showed us their hand years ago. Now we are watching whereas we never did before. I think this is huge on many fronts. That’s not even talking about biblical stuff.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes I agree with it being both. Although I think it’s not unlikely that decisions made by the Biden Administration helped make this attack possible. Victor Davis Hanson’s take (that someone in this group shared the other day) made a lot of sense to me. I do think they are trying to use this crisis to their advantage. They’ve never supported Israel but suddenly have such strong words. Yeah it seems opportunistic to me.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

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Castelletto's avatar

You're on the right track, but widen the lens. Use the same one you did when you figured out there was a global shutdown and an effort to put a needle in every arm on the planet. The same players are still at it. (That would be the residual colonial imperialists like the Brits and old European banks, WEF/UN globalists and the open-border crew, the Great Reset plants here in the US like Joebama and deep state goons, MI6 etc.) They're are still running the same script that they did in Ukraine after Joebama and Soros took it over in 2014. It's not just never let a crisis go to waste, it's "let's you and him fight."

Jeff touched on it when he mentioned that it looks like the terrorists are trying to look as horrible and brutal as possible. Wouldn't it make sense for the same people that funded and took control of Ukraine had done something similar with Hamas? How hard would it have been for them to sprinkle a bunch of BLM-type agitprop guys into the mix, to have helped arm and plan the attacks, to have stoked rage toward the Israelis, and now be stoking our horror toward the Palestinians the same way they did the Iraqis in 2003? For that matter, how hard would it have been for them to get their goons among the Israeli settlers that have been pushing back the Palestinians, grabbing their land and now threatening the Al Aqsa mosque? Just think back to the similarities between the so-called Arab Spring and the BLM riots of 2020. That's how these guys operate and always have.

So why would they do this? I submit that it's much bigger than just a wag the dog type distraction for Joebama. Remember, these people want to take over the world, not just the US. And now they've not only failed with the plandemic/clot shot/health passport concentration camp scheme, but they've also failed in their plan to to take down Russia using Ukraine, to go after China next, and to drain our resources and start WWIII at the same time. Not only that but they're dealing with loss of financial purchase because the Fed is raising rates and draining the offshore dollar markets that are the main source of Davosian funding. Wouldn't it make sense for them to try to gin up a conflict in the ME that pulls the US in (exploding US spending and further weakening the dollar) and manages to drag in Iran, maybe Russia, e voila, there's their WWIII scenario that they couldn't get going in Ukraine.

So, it's easy to see this as another false flag operation designed to get everyone fighting so that Schwabsoros et. al. can come in and pick up the pieces at the end. This is what Build Back Better requires. Let's hope, now that Russia and China seem to be onto their playbook, Iran and everyone else can do what Putin has done so far and not take the bait when there's a provocation designed to bring about escalation (and nukes).

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Fla Mom's avatar

Here's a pretty good summary from a X poster, copied in a Revolver article. I don't know if I buy fully into points 1-3, but 'never let a crisis go to waste' and 'let's you and him fight.'

"I’ve kept an eye on this Israel situation for the past few days.

Here’s what I’ve learned, & here are my blunt & honest thoughts:

1. Israel chose to ignore intelligence from Egyptian officials about a major attack coming from Hamas.

2. Multiple former IDF soldiers & Israeli intelligence personnel have come forward online and said there’s a zero percent chance Israel was unaware of this attack beforehand or couldn’t have prevented it.

3. We just watched unsophisticated terrorists on hang gliders soar into one of the most heavily-defended & surveilled countries on the planet.

4. Within 48 hours of the attack, we’re now suddenly seeing enormous support for an American war with Iran and the genocide of the Palestinian people.

"I’m witnessing American pastors and formerly level-headed influencers in our world completely lose their minds and call for genocide.

"It’s unsurprising, but insane to watch.

"If the events of the past three years have taught me anything, it’s that when people get whipped into an emotional frenzy, critical thinking completely goes out the window.

"People become highly suggestible and will rush to extremely dangerous conclusions without thinking about the consequences.

"I think this is what we’re all witnessing with this situation in Israel."

https://revolver.news/2023/10/heres-the-most-provocative-take-you-will-read-on-the-war-in-israel/

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RunningLogic's avatar

I too am a little skeptical of the first points but the conclusion that people’s fears/emotions are being manipulated and used seems pretty credible to me.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

All interesting. I’m drowning in the comment section today. lol. Lots of really good information and history being talked about.

I think I am pretty awake about what’s going on, but PoliticoPhil and some others have more info that has me thinking too. Thanks for what you added.

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Fla Mom's avatar

I'm pretending that I needed to rest more today, since I did a lot of physical farm work in the last couple of days, so I've also been drowning in the comments today. I just started listening to this Bret Weinstein Dark Horse podcast with a journalist who was in the IDF and who served in Gaza. It's very good so far and nuanced and includes both blame for Hamas and for those who may have egged them on and facilitated the attack, for their own purposes.

https://youtu.be/F_IAH7PnS_E?si=Wb_nSlGMxb8qED7P

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Sunnydaze's avatar

That’s funny. Pretending to be overworked. I love it. šŸ˜‚

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Fla Mom's avatar

Here's a comment on the Gab post of the Revolver article I shared:

"rotifer1066 @rotifer1066

"America gets duped again.

ā€œ ā—¾2009 Ron Paul’s speech on the House floor comes back to haunt:

"- But there is a political liability which I think is something that we fail to look at because too often there is so much blowback from our intervention in areas that we shouldn’t be involved in... Hamas was encouraged and actually started by Israel because they wanted Hamas to counteract Yasir Arafat... So we first, indirectly and directly through Israel, helped establish Hamas. Then we have an election where Hamas becomes dominant, then we have to kill them. It just doesn’t make sense. During the 1980s, we were allied with Osama bin Laden and we were contending with the Soviets. It was at that time our CIA thought it was good if we radicalized the Muslim world. So we finance the Madrassa schools to radicalize the Muslims in order to fight the Soviets. There is too much blowbackā€"

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AngelaK's avatar

Some of us followed Syria a few years back and there were many lies coming out from media about Assad (my Syrian Christian friends liked him) in order for our goal of deposing him. Mind you he is Christian friendly and the only secular leader in the area.

While the lies and false flag attacks continued in our media, ISIS was taking over town after town there doing equally barbaric acts to Christians as what just happened to the Israelis, and the world could care less!!! 😔

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Castelletto's avatar

Isis and Syria were Obama and Soros through and through.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I like your ā€œwiden the lens.ā€ Lol.

I started waking up when obummer came on scene. It’s been a gradual wakening with bits and pieces. I’ve never been knowledgeable on much history. Have tried to be informed but also know much of the history we are taught are skewed and lies and half truths depending on the agenda at hand. That being said, I think I’ve gotten the gist of world events and politics even though I don’t understand all of it. I think the hardest part for me is Israel. I’ve been to Bible School with no other book used but the Bible. No denomination attached. Just raw Bible and learning to interpret within the context of history, culture of the times, languages etc etc.

My teachings include the nation of Israel being Israel in the Bible. This is where I have veered in recent years. Waking up to the fact that the nation of Israel and its government are just as corrupt as our own. Then trying to reconcile that with previous teaching about the fate of our world, end times, Revelation prophesy, and who God is actually talking about then He speaks of Israel. Then watching all this unfold. 🤯🤯🤯

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Politico Phil's avatar

Even if you are off on some details, I think you've nailed the big picture.

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Castelletto's avatar

I would appreciate knowing what details might be off. I'm pretty sure of this but want to be open to any errors. Thanks.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply I saw anything wrong. Only that if things don't work out exactly as discussed, the theme is correct.

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Leo's avatar

Right: an ongoing combination of Opportunism and WHO/WEF responses to events. A ball starts to roll - and they direct its path.

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Jay Horton's avatar

Sounds like a '60's spy novel but pretty close to my perspective on it too.

Good call Castelletto. Follow the money......

Later Jay

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Castelletto's avatar

Thanks. It's not like the same spy agencies from the 60's novels are not playing a big part in this.

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Dr Linda's avatar

I have similar thoughts.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

šŸ˜‚ šŸ˜‚ šŸ˜‚

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Politico Phil's avatar

"...Not a phony territorial ā€œdisputeā€..."

Not phony? I wonder. In terms of invading and occupying Israeli territory the attack is pointless. The Hamas attack was not in sufficient force to be able to actually take and occupy any territory. It was essentially a terrorist attack that was only successful because the Israeli defense was mysteriously stood-down thus allowing the attack to be as successful as it was, something no one has been able to explain. And the widespread savagery of the attack is perfect for generating tons of alarming TV footage to inflame and justify responses on both sides. Given the widespread savagery employed, this appears to be a deliberate policy of those behind the attack. This will justify an Israeli response against the entirety of the civilian population in the Gaza, a population of 2 million Palestinian civilians - men, women and children.

We haven't seen the real savagery yet.

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Fla Mom's avatar

I'll let you in on a secret. A lot of American troops aren't on station on Christmas and Thanksgiving Days, either.

At least the Palestinians are getting a warning to leave before the counter-attack. If only neighboring Muslim countries would accept Palestinian refugees....

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

If only Palestinians hadn't been forced off their ancestral lands & into a virtual prison.

If only Israel hadn't persisted in violating law & UN resolutions, taking more & more Palestinian territory with illegal settlements.

If only USUK would mind their own business & stop trying to boss the world.

If only...

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Tom's avatar

Everyone lives on someone else's ancestral lands. Everyone.

This is a Marxist talking point, intended to stoke division.

There was certainly a Native American tribe that was dispossessed of the land that my house is sitting on.

There's never a proffered solution to this other than more violence.

Edit: No other solution until the State takes ownership.

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The Keys's avatar

While I hope to remain neutral so as not to let the Deep State divide us further, I have to disagree with you. Much of the ā€œancestral landā€ taken from people of the world happened during times of great expansion and discovery. And it’s not that I agree with it—the Spanish were particularly brutal to the Incas and Mayans—but it is wrong for you to compare these events with more modern examples of conquest. It is not at all the same context.

The Palestinians had lived in their region for 400 years in Modern Times. Displacing them from their homes and putting them in camps was so incredibly short sighted. Did we think there would be no hard feelings?

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Tom's avatar

We have no temporal place to draw the lines. When does it stop?

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Concerned mom's avatar

Where, if you can please show me, did this info on the Palestinians living in the land 400 years come from? I can show you where this very land was given to the Jews in perpetuity... BTW did you know that in the last several hundred years, when "Palestinians" were mentioned, it actually meant Jews... bc the whole area was named Syria-Palestina. https://www.prageru.com/video/israel-who-are-the-indigenous-people

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Tom's avatar

I want to add that I agree with you that displacing people without regard for their humanity was never the answer.

As long as neither side has the capacity to "love their enemy" and treat each other with compassion, I don't see a solution.

I am merely trying to point out that this particular narrative of "ancestral land" is just another non-solution, probably in furtherance of some "power's" use of the Hegelian Dialectic to create more chaos. This "power" already has a "solution" in mind that will eventually be implemented.

No easy solution here, and I respect your point of view. I just don't want to see people have their compassion used against them.

Peace to you, Great Reflect! I'm learning here, and your point of view is appreciated.

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The Keys's avatar

What a wonderful reply. Thank you, too, for opening my eyes to another point of view.

I’m beginning to get concerned that we, as the awake and aware, are not moving forward with a plan to oppose the global elite. There are millions upon millions of people in the world opposed to the Great Reset. At what point do we stop reporting the horrors and urge peaceful action?

How do we save ourselves?

I must urge everyone to read Alexander Durgin’s book ā€œThe Great Awakening vs. The Great Reset.ā€ This brave Russian philosopher intimately understands the situation the world is in and his solution is to spread awareness of the Great Awakening—which is a process where the people of the earth reclaim their identity and freedom. He argues many people across the world are against the Great Reset and progressive liberalism, and our best chance to defeat our elite masters is to make the Great Awakening a serious movement. He makes many profound points and presents an interesting history of liberalism. The book takes an hour or so to read.

The book is only available from the publisher in both print and digital form for $4.95. It has been banned elsewhere, of course.

It is not merely enough to oppose the Great Reset. We must, with great passion, unite together and find common ground to defeat our enemies with others in the world. Time is running short, however. Spreading the word is imperative.

Here is the link to purchase the book.

https://arktos.com/product/the-great-awakening-vs-the-great-reset/

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

"There was certainly a Native American tribe that was dispossessed of the land that my house is sitting on."

So are you suggesting that 19th Genocide committed by Europeans against Native Americans makes 21st century genocide ok?

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Tom's avatar

I'm saying that the present narrative is meant to divide and provoke more violence in furtherance of a plan for Statists to provide a solution.

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

Actually, the proffered solution, including from neocon Nikki Haley, is genocide.

2-state solution has been bandied about, but not acceptable to Netanyahoo. He does seem to be leaning toward Haley's comment.

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Tom's avatar

Right up until it's time for the State to take over.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Palestine could have had their state a long time ago but they refused to accept peace and instead built rockets out of humanitarian aid.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

exactly.

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Fla Mom's avatar

It's certainly a vexed situation. It's the Jews' ancestral land, too. I'm not a student of the whole process leading up to the establishment of the Jewish state, but whether right, wrong, or both, it was done and now we have a nation there, so everything has to proceed from that fact. I'm not a big fan of the UN, and they have no sovereignty. You might soon find you don't agree with what they're trying to tell you to do, either. I'm fully in support of the U.S. following George Washington's advice to 'avoid foreign entanglements.' Ever since WWI, it seems, and certainly after WWII, we've been manipulated by whomever into acting as Big Brother to the world. The world should pull up their big kid panties and deal with their own problems.

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daverkb's avatar

It is said that the Jews never left, that they instead converted to Islam so that they would not have to pay the unbeliever tax. But even if this were not so, it is certain that the greater preponderance of Israelis are of European heritage, Ashkenazic Jewry, and with no Semitic blood in them. And this is also where Zionism, a largely Marxist phenomenon, comes from.

It turns out, once again, most of what we are told, had drilled into us ... is simply not true. And the rest is an admixture of half-truths and lies. And thus, it is what we don't know that is going to do us in ... and usher in an era of great gnashing of teeth. Invincible Ignorance will pay the piper.

OTHERWISE ... with referral to Big Brother, it is as you say it.

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Fla Mom's avatar

I'd be interested in seeing the genetic studies you refer to, showing zero relationship between Jews in different parts of the world. By 'heritage,' do you mean for all time, that no one in those genetic lines ever came from anywhere else? Not even, say, in 70AD and previous centuries? Some may have stayed and converted, as people vary in how they respond to threat, but are you claiming that none left, ever? And what do you think God meant by the promise to Abraham, that there had to be 100% genetic lines from the original family? We know it isn't so, as Rahab was a Canaanite, Ruth was a Moabite, and Bathsheba was legally a Hittite.

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First, and getting it out of way, almost everything the Israelis power structure puts out is self-serving. Just the same as here as regards our 'ruler/oppressor’ class. And in a bit of understatement, the regular folks take it continually on the chin. And second, nothing here is all or nothing. But there are distinct histories. The below hints in that direction as resources to go to.

The first big distinction in Jewry is between Ashkenazi and Sephardic. Ashkenazim are predominantly Northern European (heavy concentrations in Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Germanic lands, etc.). The Sephardic Jews are Levantine … and who migrated and colonized thorough the Mediterranean Basin (North Africa, Middle East, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Gaul and so on … and surely you remember the Merchant of Venice by Shakespeare!). Some Ashkenzaim possess an admixture of Sephardic DNA and vice versa … and a lot has to do with migrational proximities and intermarriage opportunity. This link below is my first hit as to a map. It is not great, but you at least can see there is a distinction to be made between Sephardic and Ashkenzaim, and made by Jews themselves. I’ve only made a short glimpse. I suppose you can learn something here. But so, far I don’t have great confidence in it. The waters seem to be somewhat muddied here.

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/4095674/jewish/Ashkenazi-and-Sephardic-Jews.htm#The

The Kingdom of the Khazars figures in and as being sandwiched between the Byzantine and the Turkic World. Being a commercial kingdom and not wanting to offend world in collision, the Khazars rejected the Byzantine (Christianity) and also the Turkic Dynasties (Islam). The Khazars instead did the safe thing and choose to become Jewish … a sort of straddle position. This is Wikipedia where nothing is straightforward when it come to ā€˜controversial’ topics. The caution is that there in some ā€˜misdirection’ in this citing. However, if you dig deeper, you will come to see that the Khazar Kingdom played a key role in where we have arrived in our own time. And it is not obvious at first glance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars

The greatest writer on things pertaining to Jews is Kevin MacDonald. I recommend Separation and Its Discontents and The Culture of Critique. The Usual Suspects attacked MacDonal mercilessly for years, calling him an anti-Semite. But then again, an anti-Semite is anybody organized Jewry does not like because they don’t like what is being said. However, I found Kevin MacDonald very accurate, meticulous to a fault and everything totally footnoted which means anyone can do further research to see what is what. Kevin MacDonald is retired now.

http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/books.htm

One other very interesting book is a little known somewhat suppressed book by Alexander Solzhenitsyn, various translated as Two Hundred Years of Living Together, Two Hundred Years Among US, Two Hundred Years Among. And if memory serves, Solzhenitsyn’s book is also heavily footnoted.

alexander solzhenitsyn 200 years together pdf

https://www.dogpile.com/serp?q=two+hundred+years+together+english+pdf&sc=LXZXMTGxjcjp10

I am usually rather measured in what I say and in how I say it. And what you bring up is way beyond anything to be inferred from my statements. However, they may well be good areas of pursuit, good questions. But in the interest of economy, there is no way I can take these things up here. Because any response would necessarily have to be encyclopedic. The above sources are a good start. Especially the footnoted. Because footnotes get around algorithm censorship in the search engines.

I will reiterate for the sake of emphasis that most of what we are taught or otherwise have flashed before our eyes as are the shadows on Plato’s cave walk.

P.S. The Promise(s) to Abraham and Covenants and so on. In my humble opinion, this cannot be learned in the Fallen Churches ... these which are infiltrated, hollowed out, truncated, co-opted by the culture and rendered useless in defense of True Christian Faith as was practised for almost 2,000 years. What one finds in Christian history and the literature of the Reformation and what is put out today is a world split apart. And too much for this space. But if you harbor suspicions to all of this, you'd be right to.

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Politico Phil's avatar

"...P.S. The Promise(s) to Abraham and Covenants and so on. In my humble opinion, this cannot be learned in the Fallen Churches ... these which are infiltrated, hollowed out, truncated, co-opted by the culture and rendered useless in defense of True Christian Faith as was practised for almost 2,000 years. What one finds in Christian history and the literature of the Reformation and what is put out today is a world split apart. And too much for this space. But if you harbor suspicions to all of this, you'd be right to."

Very well put Dave. You have a much better way of putting things than I do. It is a "world split apart."

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Sort of odd that those Europeans would have pretended to be Jews, considering the long history of bloody attacks on the Jews on that continentšŸ¤”.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Lol, clever girl.

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Leo's avatar

Yes, and George Washington was neither Republican nor Democrat. He was an Independent. Smart!

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My Favorite Things's avatar

If only so many Muslims weren’t savages that thrive on hate and destruction. They’re the lowest form of human life. Their prophet was a pervert and they ruin everything they touch.

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Debra (Rural & Red Oregonian)'s avatar

If you study scripture you find they are descendants of

Noah's son Ham. Noah placed a curse on Canaan (his grandson -Genesis 9 tells the story) that they will be the lowest of servants to all their brothers. Fast forward a couple thousand years and the prideful, Canaanite, maniac muhammad enters the picture preaching and teaching hatred and death to everyone who did not follow him. The bondage and evilness continues through these cursed people.

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

You are disgusting. Blocking.

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Politico Phil's avatar

And that folks is how it happened.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Just wait. You’re about to be declared an oppressor, who does not own what you think you own. A being so evil you have no right to be treated as a human being, no right to live. The victim class of the world has no boundaries.

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NewScott's avatar

Who did the Native American tribes take this land from? Maybe other tribes? Maybe the ones who came before? Which tribes took which land from who? Can you tell us? Who was enslaved by the winners, and thus became a part of them?

We all come from many different pasts. Some winners some losers. Sometimes both. Don’t hate.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

We’re on the same side! I was just trying to call attention to the hypocrisy of calling the Israeli people oppressors, who should relinquish lands they took from their attackers.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Are we obligated to give everything back to the native Americans, except, of course, for what we owe the descendants of slaves, which in their calculation is pretty much the entire country?

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Politico Phil's avatar

Wow... I'm blown away by your sympathy for civilian casualties. I wonder where they could flee to. They are pinned between Israel on one side and the sea on the other. Maybe they can swim.

Second point, even though unlimited warfare against civilians is a tactic employed by the USG, deliberately targeting civilian populations is immoral.

Third point, Israeli defense was deliberately stood down even though they had ample knowledge of the attack well ahead of time. Holiday leave is a cover story.

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CAM's avatar

The Hamas leadership has even stated that they were surprised by how effective their strike was; far beyond anything they anticipated. On the flipside, I'm honestly shocked that we did not/do not see Israeli civilians grabbing guns and fighting back when militants invaded. I get that there is a dumb and arbitrary limit of (50 rounds?) per person imposed by the government, but even that would have been substantial when citizens combined their defense. Israelis are a tough people and I find it hard to fathom how so many would just run and cover their heads or lay down and be taken hostage (not saying all did). There is definitely more to this story and a lot of media psyops in play.

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Fla Mom's avatar

CAM, like our own citizens, who have largely forgotten what citizenship actually is, they have contracted out their self-defense, very unlike what they did at their origin.

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CAM's avatar

I spent time there among both civilians and military back in the 90's, which is why I find it hard to believe that their views would change in this matter.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Having spent our entire lives it the U.S. (barring deployments and stationing overseas), my husband and I were shocked to find our fellow Americans turned into a huge flock of obedient sheep in COVID, but apparently our "educational" system, along with the "entertainment" industry and "journalism," did their work well, after the long march.

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Skeptical Actuary's avatar

A lot of people were yelling about the restrictions, making their best arguments that they made no sense and filing lawsuits, but for people to risk their freedom and lives the restrictions generally have to be worse than what we faced.

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Not surprised at all. The lefty government holding on by ts fingertips with a shaky coalition made private gun and ammo ownership harder. Ever more citizens from the Jewish sects with the highest birth rates decline to join the military claiming rabbi and other exempted statuses willing to let others be their protectors. Not like Switzerland which is armed to the teeth with almost every able bodied male citizen serving their army and army reserve with a military gun at home, a package of ammunition, and regularly drilling to be ready to fight any crazy invaders.

Agree lots of psy-ops are going on especially once I saw this analysis of 2 Netanyahu speeches: https://www.bitchute.com/video/pYPabQBIedtu/

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CAM's avatar

So after I posted this yesterday, I continued digging around and see that there were in fact a handful of articles highlighting pockets of civilian resistance and success. More articles are appearing this morning and obviously I'm not the only person who was questioning this.

Unfortunately, the articles lend even more support to my point that it makes little sense for the Israeli government to disarm their citizens the way they have. It was foolhardy and demonstrates an amazing lack of competence on the part of government officials. One of the primary excuses was due to "theft" of weapons. Perhaps if homeowners were allowed to shoot the thieves that wouldn't be an issue... The fact that civilians armed with pistols were able to fend off militants until IDF support arrived shows that an armed populace would have resulted in a very different outcome for any militant incursions. I'll be curious to see if the emergency measures taken to arm people now will stand, or will they attempt to round up all the guns again next year.

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Debra (Rural & Red Oregonian)'s avatar

Isreal has had strict gun laws since 1949 and less than 3% of the population carry firearms. Israeli Civilians basically have no right to bear arms.

https://www.algemeiner.com/2023/02/27/firearm-licensing-in-israel-how-strict-are-the-jewish-states-gun-laws/

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CAM's avatar

They were allowing far more to be armed up until the program to pull them from citizens beginning about 3 years ago. There are numerous civilian security teams, especially in border areas, that also had their firearms confiscated. Now, the government is scrambling to re-arm them by the thousands.

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Fla Mom's avatar

I have great sympathy for the civilians among whom certain bad actors mingle, and from which locations they launch attacks, so that when the opposing force must attack the position in self-defense, civilians are killed and then paraded around. I have great sympathy for any civilians kidnapped, tortured, and/or killed in this attack by Hamas. There's a law of war for many horrible reasons, Phil, all written in blood. I'm not saying one side is clean as the driven snow, and I know that in asymmetrical warfare the lesser military power has to resort to unconventional tactics and strategy, but I do think that one side does what I described above, purposely hiding among civilians, more than the other side, and regardless of asymmetry it's immoral. Do the Egyptians have no sympathy? Pretty sure there's a land border there. Why do you think evacuations are only possible by land? Could Muslim countries not send ships or planes or helicopters or whatever if they wanted to? They could, but they do not want to, nor apparently have they ever wanted to. Do you criticize their lack of sympathy?

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Politico Phil's avatar

Gaza is controlled by Hamas who is backed by Iran. So what purpose does the attack serve? Does it in any way advance the Palestinian cause? No. It advances an agenda that serves the same cabal that controls the Bolshevik regime here in the US and the regime in Israel. Biden needs another war and the Israeli state wants Gaza. If a "few" Palestinians are killed in the process, no one cares. American premil Christians shrug it off as this is all ordained in God's plan for the "end times". The TV coverage of the slaughter carried out by the terrorists gives Israel the perfect excuse to begin blanket bombing of the Gaza strip turning the civilian population into homeless refugees and allowing Israel to simply move in and take possession of the land. The immediate payoff is the gas fields that lie on the Gaza coast and the elimination of the "Palestinian problem". About the same way the USG handled the "Indian problem" after the Civil War. I could be wrong. We'll have to watch and see. The big winner will be Blackrock who owns the companies that will develop the gas fields.

Oh, and guess who is the largest owner of Blackrock? Rothschild family and company.....War has been a profitable business for them for the past couple of centuries.

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RunningLogic's avatar

You asked ā€œDoes it in any way advance the Palestinian cause?ā€

But you have to ask, what exactly IS the Palestinian cause? Is it statehood and peaceful coexistence with Israel as you seem to imply? (though it is possible I may have misinterpreted that, if so, apologies). It seems to me their cause is not eventual peaceful coexistence but killing and harming as many Israelis as possible. And ultimately obliterating the country and its people. Past statements and actions seem to support this more than the living side by side in peace theory.

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Politico Phil's avatar

I'll try to bring several diverse points together here. For terrorist organizations like Hamas, you are correct. Their goal is the destruction of the Israeli state and people. For the average Palestinian family, they are like you and me. They just want to be left alone to live their lives and support their families. It's a lot like comparing BLM or Antifa to the American black community. They have the same desires that you and I do. BLM does not represent the average black American.

The problem we have is that we have literally been programmed since WWII to view the political state of Israel with some kind of holy exceptionalism. Even American Christians have been conditioned by their premillennial eschatology to view the political state call Israel as some kind of holy reincarnated version of Biblical Israel that cannot be criticized. Since WWII, the American public has continuously received only one very slanted, unrealistic portrayal of Israel. Even our national politics are heavily influenced by the Israeli lobby.

At the close of WWII, Operation Paperclip brought Nazism, which is just another iteration of Marxism, to America, specifically into the USG. Marxism then began the "long march through the institutions". When the German Jews left Europe at the close of the war, they did not escape Nazism. Nazism followed them and infected the Israeli State. Our fellow C&Cer, Daverkb, made a comment that is applicable here. (Apologies Dave)

"I was thinking how alike the Master Race of the North and the Master Race of the Mediterranean are so much alike. Both like Marxist drama and put on a most excellent show. Both always receive Last Place in any truth telling contest. Both will loot at the drop of a hat anything not nailed down. Both never demur at a lives it takes to accomplish any meritorious goal of gain. Only the languages and uniforms are different."

Now here's my point. Given the control Israel has always had over the opinions of Americans, Israel has always had the full backing, financial and military, of the USG. As a result, she has NEVER had to compromise with the Palestinians and has ALWAYS taken a hard line with them as well as with her neighbors. She never felt the need to find a way to incorporate the Palestinian population into their society and accommodate them. She treated them as outcasts and undesirables with no means for them to become a part of their society. Israel has had every opportunity and ability to do this for 70 years and failed to even attempt an accommodation. This is exactly the same way the USG treated the American Indians after the Civil War. As a result, American Indians still live on reservations in conditions that are deplorable. And that is because, just like Israel and the Palestinians, the state views these people as deplorables.

Now you may have noticed that until this terrorist attack occurred Israel and Saudi Arabia were close to coming to agreement on a peace treaty. Can you imagine? A peace treaty between Israel and one of the leading Arab states! Well that couldn't be allowed to stand. The cabal and their Marxist client state in the USG must have constant warfare. So O'biden pays Iran, who is Hamas' state sponsor, $6 billion of OUR money to green light a terrorist attack on Israel which will kill the peace treaty effort. Furthermore, the Marxist elements of the Israeli state want the Gaza territory and they want to finally get rid of the "Palestinian problem" for good. The terrorist attack is planned with maximum media coverage of the slaughter and the Israeli defense forces are stood down to allow the terrorist attack to achieve maximum effect thus providing the perfect excuse to lay waste to Gaza turning the Palestinian population into war refugees and allowing Israel to simply walk in and take over the land.

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You said the average Palestinian family just wants to be left alone and live their lives. I don’t get the impression that Palestinians all want to live their lives and let others live theirs. Why did they elect Hamas? Why support the group that doesn’t want to recognize Israel’s right to exist and encourages suicide bombings? I get the sense, based on actions and words, that many have a lot of hatred for Israel. You might say it’s justified based on what they’ve lived through, but that still carries a lot of implications for potential peace. I do think that as with BLM they are being manipulated and used by those with power and influence.

I am not one of those that thinks Israel is pure and holy and can do no wrong. They have certainly gone overboard in some cases and exacerbated the problems. However, they have also always been subject to all kinds of criticism and scrutiny by the international community. Even a large number of Americans are not only not supporters of Israel, but criticize and malign them regardless of what they do. All while making excuses for the Palestinians, regardless of what *they* do. Israel is surrounded by countries that look upon it as the enemy and most of those would be only too glad to see it disappear from the earth. That is a fact. How can that not affect their perspective and choices?

I think it’s important to take into consideration the historical context too. Israel has been attacked and invaded numerous times in the past. They constantly have to be on their guard. They’ve tried to have peace agreements but those never last. There is certainly complexity as to the political goings on in the country and different factions wanting different things. I don’t doubt there are some who do want to just go in scorched earth and take over everything in Gaza. I can see both sides of the grievances but I don’t see any solution unless both sides agree to start fresh and move beyond what’s happened in the past but they won’t. It’s been over 70 years and the same rhetoric and the same kinds of actions and reactions keep getting repeated šŸ˜•

You’re right, there are too many who benefit from not having peace in that region and so of course this latest peace attempt has again been sabotaged. And yes, the 6 billion dollars imo surely played a part in all of this. The timing is certainly suspect.

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The Keys's avatar

Great response.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

I have read that the Palestinians are actually refugees from the wars Israel has had to fight with the surrounding Arab countries. Those Arab countries do not want them back for some reason. Accounts of the 6 Day War (immediately following the establishment of modern day Israel) and the Yom Kippur War of 1973 are fascinating. God is very much still involved with Israel. Wikipedia requires filtering, but still can provide a framework for understanding what has transpired.

If you support the Palestinians, you’re in good company with all the radicals of the Left and the Marxist Universities that churn them out. So congratulations.

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Debra (Rural & Red Oregonian)'s avatar

History say that the Gaza Strip was owned and controlled by the Ottoman Empire until the early 1900's when it became a British colony. When the British declared Israel an independent country in 1948 they got the Gaza Strip. Ottomans were all muslims so thus the muslims living in the Gaza Strip became Israeli citizens which they hated and they never wanted to be a part of. They were happy being Ottomans. Muslims hate Jews which goes back to the curse of Canaan. (Genesis 9)

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Skeptical Actuary's avatar

Muslims consider themselves descendants of Ishmael, Abraham's son by Hagar, if I remember right.

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Debra (Rural & Red Oregonian)'s avatar

Correct, but the all arab nations are first the descendants of Noah's son Ham through Canaan who was cursed to serve his brothers and then Ishmael was given roughly the same curse again.

'The angel of the Lord also said to her (Hagar): ā€œYou are now pregnant and you will give birth to a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the Lord has heard of your misery. He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.ā€ ' - Genesis 16:11-12

My understanding is that Sarah, tired of waiting for a child, went over God's will and gave her Egyptian slave Hagar to Abraham. The Egyptians were descendants of Canaan therefore the curse followed in Hagar's bloodline. But becasue of God's blessing to Abraham and his descendents God could not destroy the free will of Sarah and Abrahman. Thus the gigantic pickle the world is in with the cursed Cannites still fighting against the Shemites (Shem 's descendents) and the Japhites (Japheth's descendents).

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Debra (Rural & Red Oregonian)'s avatar

Here was one other thing I thought you might like to read when you have time.

https://christiancourier.com/articles/ishmael-his-hand-against-every-man

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Skeptical Actuary's avatar

The Muslim hatred Jews goes back to the prophet Mohammed trying not very successfully to convert the Jewish tribes in the area, and then blasting hatred of them in the Koran.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

I am fascinated by the history of Israel, including the Gaza Strip. And of course it had history and owners prior to the Ottoman Empire. The Bible tells us this piece of ground is loved by God, as is no other place on earth. I often meditate on why that would be.

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Debra (Rural & Red Oregonian)'s avatar

I believe it to be the actual place where the Garden of Eden was first located on planet earth. That makes the earth (the dirt) very special in God's eyes as He made His first human from that dirt. He will tell us when we get there. I'll meet you at that history/science study group! :)

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daverkb's avatar

Always the Stand Down. Even with so many school 'shootings'. We saw this locally in nearby Charlottesville ... the Old Stand Down. And all the proxy actors bused in.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

They were advised to exit via Egypt. But for some reason Egypt doesn’t want them.

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CAM's avatar

They're being bombed at the locations they were told to evacuate into, so no matter where they go they are like shooting (bombing) fish in a barrel.

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Fla Mom's avatar

I'm not following news, so I have no reference for your statement. Told by whom? One side uses civilians as shields and parades them when they're dead.

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CAM's avatar

Told by the Israeli military, per usual policy for the past few decades.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Your Israeli military friends told you that they told Palestinian civilians to go to certain places so they, your friends, could bomb them, as usual? Interesting OPSEC.

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CAM's avatar

That is not what I said. Israeli policy is to notify civilians to clear an area that is about to be hit as a "humanitarian measure." If civilians do end up killed, the government can absolve itself with a "well, we DID warn them!" Israel is not the only country that does this, it's actually quite common, in a sad sort of way.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Thanks for the correction. It's a heck of a lot better than attacking civilians, though, don't you think? You can't give 100% control of your strategy and tactics to your enemy by allowing them to place civilians here, there, and everywhere to keep you from counter-attacking. War is deadly, but the Law of War and the philosophy of Just War are attempt to make it less unjust, at least.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

You believe that media account?

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CAM's avatar

Considering there were firsthand accounts of it, yes.

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daverkb's avatar

Well the whole business model of the Evil Empire is savagery. The First Rule is ... never identify the perpetrators. And if the perpetrators by mishap begin to get identified, the Corollary to the First Rule is immediately cover-up, mis-identify and divert.

'They' the Evils Ones savage the innocent, blame it on someone else and then push all our buttons to cause us to support their evil. The Someone Else who does the dirty deed is nearly always bought and paid for ... and by whom? Take a good guess. It should not be too, too hard to come up with an answer because, IT IS ALWAYS THE SAME PEOPLE. AND THEY SAVAGE US EVERY DAY OF OUR LIVES IN A QUIET WAR OF MURDERING, MAIMING, DESTRUCTION, DEMOGRAPHIC GENOCIDE.

When will we ever learn. I suspect the answer is ... when it is too late.

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Politico Phil's avatar

The Jews (and the Christians, but no one talks about them) of Nazi Germany willingly complied when they boarded the cattle cars for the "quarantine camps" thinking if they only complied it would soon be over. It was indeed too late when they learned the truth.

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RunningLogic's avatar

It was ā€œsoon overā€ for many of them. Just not in the way they had imagined šŸ˜ž

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daverkb's avatar

Actually ... just today ... I was thinking how alike the Master Race of the North and the Master Race of the Mediterranean are so much alike. Both like Marxist drama and put on a most excellent show. Both always receive Last Place in any truth telling contest. Both will loot at the drop of a hat anything not nailed down. Both never demur at a lives it takes to accomplish any meritorious goal of gain. Only the languages and uniforms are different.

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daverkb's avatar

What you say is standard Reformation Theology. Even I, not a theologian and not your equal in such, understand this as you say it. The rub for the many is at least twofold.

First, they the would be or partial Christians do not understand 'broken branches' severed away from the continuity of Covenant from alpha to omega, from the Foundations of the Very Beginning up and through the Advent of Christ and sealed upon The Cross. It is one continuous story. And the Church itself is Israel. I got it the first time I was so instructed. And I go that apostate Zionists, secular and atheistic, hating of Christian and 'Jews' alike, and bearing no connection to the soil of the Middle East (the largest part of them by far) could not possibly be synonymous with the modern state of Israel, except as a useful to them in lettered name only way. For my money, the honest and august Tooth Fairy, Goddess of the Child's Pillow, is more believable than this Zionist spun yarn.

The second thing sowing confusion is any idea of who or what a 'Jew' might be. And the confusion between such things as the words 'Talmud' with the word 'Jew'. And I can't think that the most of them bear any resemblance to the Old Testament tribes of the Hebrews. This too would consume many paragraphs.

It is as you say the Church, the institution ordained of God, is Israel. Not the Pretender God-State, Menace of the World.

Thanks!

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Politico Phil's avatar

Many paragraphs... LOL! Thanks Dave. You put it very well. But you give me too much credit. I'm not much of a theologian but the message of Jesus and the apostles is, to me, very clear when I divorce my mind from all the popular teachings on the subject.

"...from the Foundations of the Very Beginning up and through the Advent of Christ and sealed upon The Cross. It is one continuous story. And the Church itself is Israel..." Exactly. From Adam to today, the Church is Israel as identified as the body of Christ, the Second Adam, when we join with the saints in heaven on Sunday to worship God in the power of the Holy Spirit as one congregation.

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daverkb's avatar

I stick to basic things. And throw invincibly stupid stuff like Dispensationalism out the window. Instead, I am a great believer in the great Reformation era Confessions of Faith, and I love the Geneva and Matthew Henry Notes ... and John Calvin . With these, and people like R. J. Rushdoony, it's difficult to falter at the Wicker Gate or topple to the wayside of the Straight and Narrow. And I particularly love Pilgrim's Progress.

I regard most of the Western churches as being fallen and heretical. I echo Solzhenitsyn's comment with regard to the Soviet era and the Old Ones who said that the entire Soviet horror all happened because "Men forgot God". Not only that in America, men also forgot basic Christian doctrine. Instead, they said in their fallen churches ... "drink this the wine of Unconditional Love, this is my new blood. Break and eat this Bread of No Fear of God, for this is my new body." And Western Christian Civilization collapsed. And all lapsed into lunatic insanity, the kind of which eats the flesh from the inside out.

Thanks for saying out loud. And at least the usual reflexive idolatry towards that tiny god-state did not get its usual unthinking free pass. Maybe some of the world is waking up.

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Special Ted's avatar

I'd like to learn more about this. I've barely investigated the propaganda used to encourage these folks to follow those orders 'for their own safety.' Were they coerced by outright lies? Was it just a 'grin and bear it' situation...did they believe it would be better to comply? Thank you for this information!

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Politico Phil's avatar

Well, I wasn't there so I'm open to correction but from what I understand, the German Jews lived in tight knit communities and when an illness broke out among them, the Nazis used this to label the Jews as an unclean race. Sound familiar? You'll kill grandma. So they declared a "medical emergency" and forced all Jews to wear a gold star on their clothing so "clean" people could avoid contact with them. You've prolly seen this in movies. It got worse from there. Eventually, the Jews were ordered to relocate to quarantine camps that became the infamous concentration camps where a death protocol was initiated. Again, deja vu, only in our case it was the hospital employing isolation, remdesivir and intubation, all of which were death protocols. People willingly boarded the cattle cars to go to the quarantine camps thinking that if they only complied things would eventually get better. They learned too late.

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Special Ted's avatar

Every. Single. Time.

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Emumundo's avatar

I got so angry reading about Biden speech about Israel. What about Hawaii? What about 1,700 missing children that were probably burned alive. How many citizens are missing in Hawaii? Last I heard they were saying the death toll is under 100, which is a joke. Biden is a despicable opportunist.

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RSgva's avatar

Yep, we all agree it’s just today’s positioning. Not serious given his enthusiastic undoing of Trump anti-Iran policies.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Exactly.

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Erin Fight's avatar

The children were taken into sex slave captivity.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

The death toll in Israel is probably going to hit around 2000, which when adjusted for population would be about 80k here.

This is their 9/11.

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nancy knox-bierman's avatar

We don't really know anything. Many of the pics are old, recycled and fake. Do not forget the images from China of people falling on their faces before the huge covid debacle.

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daverkb's avatar

Who was behind 911? Who was behind Maydan? Who was behind the Color Revolutions? Like the Arab Spring? Who was behind C19 Terror Attack? Who is behind the attacks on the US Food Supply? Who is behind the Invasion of America? And who is behind Hamas? Questions, questions, questions.

We seem to fall for it time and again. And time and again it is regular folks who are savaged, murdered, maimed, crippled, driven out of homes and made refuges. When will we ever learn?

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Christy's avatar

We won’t. Hope you’re ready to protect yourself and your family. At this point, that’s all I’m concerned about.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

I feel the same

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daverkb's avatar

It's a real mess. We will do our best. But honestly, we've gotten too old to put up an effective resistance. Thanks for the note of concern.

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Cornwall Marc's avatar

Talking of 'a massacre of civilians' anyone previously hear of the massacre of 248 Palestinions, including 40 children, by Israeli settlers recently? No me neither.

Next up - Heavily armed Israeli army going into Gaza - 2.2 Million trapped souls - 50% are CHILDREN!! It will be genocide. That's if they haven't already died due to the Israeli blockade of water, food, medicine and electricity - and the incessant bombing!

This has been going on for decades whilst the world looks the other way. All utterly tragic.

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Christy's avatar

Are you also concerned about the thousands that die in Africa and South America everyday or are you concerned about these civilians bc the media bombards us with it?

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DEBORAH E. dds's avatar

I am VERY concerned about thousands dying in every country. But I am especially concerned about the people who are being killed with my tax dollars. I believe I will stand before God and give an account for that. I feel sick just talking about it. I also went through my 401K account and made sure that none of my retirement money was invested in weapons and defense industry.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Please speak to

my husband when he tries so desperately to provide for our fam that he thinks NASA, weapons, defense, pharma, and microchip cos are the best place. I keep saying no. And quietly thank God he is where he is.

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Christy's avatar

Such a great comment!!!! We talk about voting w ur dollars on here all the time. Such a good point! Not enough ppl share our convictions.

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Cynthia weiss's avatar

I am curious when your own country declares war on it's citizens do other countries attack that other country I would say no. But when a country attacks a peaceful country that's a horse of a different color. Why because we are Jewish. That's my take

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AngelaK's avatar

I feel horrible about these horrific acts of sheer evil barbarism and

we stand with you.

Sadly, the same acts of evil barbarism were perpetrated by ISIS against Christians in Syria and the world was silent. No one stood with them.

The desire to overthrow Assad, the only secular leader in the Muslim world, was so great that ISIS even became our US gvts partner! Talk about evil. The entire world is morally sick these days.

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STH's avatar

Don’t forget the tens of thousands of Americans who die each year from addiction

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Christy's avatar

Exactly!!!!!

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Kimry's avatar

Those are continents, not countries. Do you have any specifics?

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Christy's avatar

You can pretty much pick any country in Africa and I know drug cartels in north South America are ridiculously out of control. Just being a devils advocate and how much the media controls the narrative. This is Covid 2.0.

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The Keys's avatar

Great Reflect

Writes The Here And Now

38 mins ago

I think it’s important to make people aware of something, now that rumors are swirling that there are foreign military plants in cities waiting to attack Americans.

During Covid, the Deep State constantly escalated and exaggerated the truth: they claimed full and overflowing hospitals. They exaggerated the number of deaths. Their purpose, of course, was to get us to take the vaccines, by making Covid appear worse than the plague. The point is they constantly lie and exaggerate. But there’s a method to their madness.

Now, suddenly, reports are flowing freely from the Deep State about these foreign militants on American soil. Some of the reporting on this is coming from the Deep State. They want us to be scared. Rumors of babies being beheaded and the like are being pushed on all the mainstream news outlets. They want you terrified. So, you have to keep your head about you. Do not take sides on this issue. That is what they want. They want us always divided so we don’t have time to focus on their dirty deeds. This war in Israel has been purposely started as a means to an end. It also provides a handy excuse to delay elections if a bigger war results from it.

What they want is the total destruction of society so we will accept their Great Reset when we are on our knees. But we don’t have to play. We don’t have to sign up. We don’t have to take sides. We just remain neutral p, awake and aware. We see the playing field from 40,000 feet. We know what they’re up to.

If you step back and look at everything from a 40,000 foot view, you will see the same patterns in all of these events. You will no longer be a victim of their psychological operations. You won’t participate. You won’t live your life in fear.

Be in control. Teach others to do the same.

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Skeptical Actuary's avatar

I really don't think the fears of foreign militants are coming from the "deep state". There are three "deep states", as far as I can tell: the corporations that have captured all the regulatory agencies, plus what remains of the military industrial complex that is NOT captured by foreign interest X (if any), plus foreign interest X (most likely China) that is pulling the Biden administration's strings.

The people that are worrying about foreign militants on US soil don't have much of a voice - mostly Fox news and various conspiracy theory networks. Officially, all is hunky dory, except some sanctuary cities are getting too much of a good thing.

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The Keys's avatar

ā€œMaybe Hamas wants to light the fires of a wider regional conflict, and is using unforgivable barbarity against women and children as a tactic to manufacture a massive political backlash. At least that would be rational, even if disgraceful.ā€

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Carolyn's avatar

No one is downplaying the lives lost or the brutality. BUT they have used that ploy before..many, many times. Prophecies being fulfilled in front of our eyes. "You have to look at world events thru the eye of prophesy" ..it has been foretold through out the Bible

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STH's avatar

And I just saw a photo from 2017 of Bibi giving the Mason handshake to WEF Klaus. If it’s not photoshopped, that’s a little unnerving.

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Kim D's avatar

It appears to be a ritualistic sacrifice and of course as always, aligned with astrology. Ring of Fire Eclipse is symbolic.

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

Also, unite a sharply divided country behind a highly corrupt "leader" on the way to prison.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

I could never be united under the OBribeden administration. I stand united with my fellow Americans and I love my country but I’ll never be united with those actively destroying the USA.

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Cheryl Caraglior's avatar

Just remember the globalists like to smear their opposition with lies and innuendo just like they are doing with Trump.

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Jay Horton's avatar

At least a feeble attempt.....

Later Jay

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Bryan Dair's avatar

Wag the Dog.

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NAB's avatar

Yes, I remember another speech during which President Peters "bristled." He was flanked by Marines and flooded with red light.

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DEBORAH E. dds's avatar

I've been studying 50 fundamentals of propaganda. That Bribem stunt used at least 40 . As I have been studying I realize how we live in a matrix of propaganda. It truly is stunning. America's freedom has been traded for security.... and the monster keeping us safe has turned on it's owner. I have wanted to quit working for about 15 years now because I don't want my tax dollars killing people. I think subconsciously now I am trying to get fired.

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Jeff C's avatar

Yup, it really is shocking once one sees it as it becomes obvious it's everywhere and we've been manipulated like foolish children.

And it's not just from the government and news media. Almost all advertising is propaganda, as are press releases, yet these "skills" are taught at every university (journalism, public relations, and communications). The entire law profession is built on propaganda, from drafting letters to scare people to persuading juries to let their guy off. It's used by professions as disparate as commissioned salesman and lobbyists.

In every case the intent is the same, to persuade people to act in a manner that is in the propagandist's interests and usually not in the individual's interest. They use unethical tactics such as whipping up hysteria, outright lies, indirect deception, and attempting to induce guilt. They attempt to use people's innate sense of politeness as a weapon against them.

People really need to develop a thick skin to resist this stuff but it gets easier with time.

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DEBORAH E. dds's avatar

"The entire law profession is built on propaganda, from drafting letters to scare people to persuading juries to let their guy off. It's used by professions as disparate as commissioned salesman and lobbyists."

I am now interacting with a government agency and the PROCESS is the PUNISHMENT.... or more succinctly 90% of it! Just got off the phone with the lawyer working on the case. I told her that I wouldn't be participating in the process , that I will just plead guilty, no defense, now mete out the punishment and let's get on with life............ after she told me the other side had 250 pages of response that she needs me to read and put forward my defense. I'm like "It's a very very minor matter". The jurisprudence system/legal system is a huge spider web trap of lies and make-work. An abominition

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SusanMc's avatar

I take personal issue w/ your broad sweep of the brush declaring that ā€œthe entire law profession is built on propaganda....ā€

Yes there are plenty of lawyers who are a disgrace to the profession. I have 3 lawyers in my family, & I dare say not one would compromise his integrity & standards as a believer by using underhanded tactics to ā€œget anyone off.ā€ I know my husband has refused cases, warning the one trying to hire that they wouldn’t/couldn’t win & he didn’t want to take their $$. They hired another attorney & promptly lost their case.

There are honorable lawyers out there, but sadly the bad actors taint the profession.

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Jeff C's avatar

I agree with you that there are good people in Law, just as there are in Advertising and Public Relations. I work for a a defense contractor so I'm certainly in no place to throw stones. My brother, sister, brother-in-law, and cousin are lawyers too.

I didn't say that only bad people work in law, but at it's foundation is propaganda. The entire intent of the industry is to persuade people to act in their client's interests rather than their own interest. That is indisputable.

Now good people, like your relatives and mine, work hard to ensure they are only using propaganda when their client's cause is just. That is admirable. But it's still propaganda.

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Emumundo's avatar

Edward Bernays did his job well.

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Fla Mom's avatar

My government school taught a whole unit on propaganda in the 7th grade. It's been very valuable to recall in recent years. I doubt schools teach it anymore.

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Politico Phil's avatar

My school actually used Orwell's "1984" as required reading. No more.

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Sunlover's avatar

In 2023, schools in Peel District, Ontario Canada were instructed to pull all books written prior to 2008 off the shelf and assess if each one was compatible with the current curriculum before replacing. School librarians deemed this too onerous a task so just pulled them all off the shelf and sent to landfill. Public outcry, the school district replied that the mandate was ā€œmisinterpretedā€ and Ann Frank’s Diary ā€œmayā€ be replaced if ā€œa more current version can be foundā€. No word on 1984-pretty sure that’s gone for good. Pornographic teen books written after 2008, too vulgar to read out loud at a school board mtg are fine to stay. Our children need us parents to teach them about propaganda and mind control techniques because they are not going to learn this in school.

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NAB's avatar

My son's 10th grade reading list included BOTH Brave New World and 1984 (Jesuit all boys high school). Apparently his teacher was not please when the boys constantly said, "Wow. Sounds like our country."

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Politico Phil's avatar

"From the mouths of babes." Sounds to me like the teacher didn't read the assignment himself.

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SusanMc's avatar

That’s bc now tptb are using these tactics to control people & that book blows the whistle on them.

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FourWinds's avatar

I would love to study that, too. Can I ask where you got that information about propaganda? Thanks in advance!

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DEBORAH E. dds's avatar

I'm working on the list . Going to publish it on my substack with examples of each of the techniques. WE the People need to educate ourselves and then when these techniques are used against us we need to stand up, in public, and say NO!.

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Celayne Jones's avatar

Thank you for doing this.

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RunningLogic's avatar

That is great!

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DEBORAH E. dds's avatar

I will share with you the list I am currently working on.

https://www.dailywritingtips.com/50-types-of-propaganda/

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FourWinds's avatar

Thank you!! Very good!

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FourWinds's avatar

"Remember: if a story is making headlines, it’s because the powers-that-shouldn’t-be want you to see it." Yep! I've read a few things on her site before and am glad she is speaking up.

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Butterfly2510's avatar

We do live in a matrix.

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Politico Phil's avatar

You are ABSOLUTELY correct.

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Peggy B's avatar

Read ā€œCracking the Codeā€ by Peter Hendrickson on how to legally no longer pay income taxes and claw back some refunds from previous tax years.

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Freebird's avatar

I was thinking the same when I read that media blurb about how seriously angry he is at these terrorist atrocities …his anger at Maga Americans then looked much more serious, didn’t it? What a joke.

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SarahI's avatar

People with Alzheimer’s can get quite angry.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Biden's propagandist anti-MAGA speech was exactly like the speeches an infamous Hitler employed. Problem is, most of us who remember that are dead now.

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RunningLogic's avatar

That came to my mind too! Especially with that description of his speech being angry. I thought of the last time he showed such anger during a speech.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Nailed it šŸŽÆ

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Dr Linda's avatar

I had forgotten about that

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Bugs's avatar

And Trad Catholics. Whatever, Joe.

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Corkey's avatar

Flavor of the month. Boogeyman Alert

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Christy's avatar

Covid 2.0

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Paula Mitchell's avatar

And... remember Afghanistan

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OnTheJump's avatar

Yes. He does "hate" quite well.

....even if he does insist he is a "unifier".

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RunningLogic's avatar

Well he’s always been a liar so that is just another lie in a very long list.

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Melanie Eccles's avatar

Exactly - just looking for more money for the military industrial complex now that congress has shut off the spigot for Ukraine.

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Kim Thompson's avatar

Don’t forget the people who say the Rosary which is also considered a dangerous weaponšŸ˜—

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yeah he would qualify those as ā€œpure unadulterated evilā€ too I’m sure! šŸ˜”šŸ™„ Since they work against his agenda!

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Concerned mom's avatar

Was Obiden's speech before or after he gave The PLO 76 million in secret not too long ago? Perhaps he thought they were going to use it to hold an ice cream social and bring Peace between the so called Palestinians who are truly Arabs and their neighbors who are truly Jews...

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Frontera Lupita's avatar

True story! šŸ˜‰

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nancy knox-bierman's avatar

and Hamas is nearly as deadly as me with my un-vaxxed little self.

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RSgva's avatar

I had to read this comment twice. Are you suggesting that there is some moral equivalence between Hamas and the poor parents fighting school boards? Or that words from Biden are of little import? Blather blather?

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rolandttg's avatar

I read multiple accounts yesterday that said Egyptian intelligence forewarned multiple governments that some kind of attack of Israel was imminent. That included Israel, the US, Great Britain, and probably Russia (there are more Russians living in Israel than any other nationality. Few people know more Jews lived in Russia in the 19th century than any other country). In addition, I have seen in multiple credible places Hamas was created by Israel. That means Israel and the US, either let these attacks happen, or more likely, facilitated, if not planned them. Just as the US deep state sacrificed their own citizens in 9/11, so has Israel done here. This is the enemy we are fighting, ruthless to the max.

It is an absolute given virtually ALL so called terrorist groups you have heard of have been organized and are funded by one or more intelligence agency. As Lenin said, if you want to control the opposition, be the opposition. And if you want to stay funded, you need a boogeyman.

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Corkey's avatar

Sounds like 9-11 script 2.0.

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Annie's avatar

And Pearl Harbor.

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Corkey's avatar

Or the 1967 attack on the USS Liberty.

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Christy's avatar

Covid 2.0

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Politico Phil's avatar

Etc etc... ad nauseam!

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Christy's avatar

So true Phil.

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

And earthquakes! Everything is a conspiracy theory these days.

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Jean Anderson's avatar

It's been blowing a gale all week at our place, I blame it on the illuminating šŸ˜‰

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Jean Anderson's avatar

Illuminati.... šŸ™„ Thanks autocorrect

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Rachel's avatar

At this point, I'll entertain any theory.

I don't believe in coincidence, and the timing of this attack on Israel stinks. I can just see the deep staters going down their list of plays in their evil playbook and saying "Well, now it's time to pull out the Hamas/Israel card. These people are psychopaths, literally, it's the Pareto Distribution we are seeing.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Check to see if Victoria Nuland was recently in that neighborhood.

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Politico Phil's avatar

The $6 billion Biden gave to Iran two months ago, who just happens to be the state sponsor behind Hamas, might have something to do with it.

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Annette Huenke's avatar

The state sponsor behind Hamas is Israel.

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AL's avatar

Yes, I am particularly irked at Jeff's take on it--that it is a spontaneous, genuine attack that just happened to come days after funding for Ukraine ended and its novelty wore off: "The stone-age barbarity of what Hamas has done is so unbelievable and so indescribable that a lot of people literally don’t believe it, preferring to assume the whole thing must be a psyop, at least in part because the alternative — that the stories are true — is simply too horrible to consider."

Yes, Jeff, that's what psyops are--part truth and part synthetic--because otherwise the psy-ops would be too easy to see through. The George Floyd riots, Jan. 6., 9/11, the Plandemic and many others indeed HAPPENED, but they were planned and instigated by the deep state/ruling class/banksters or whatever the preferred name is. Real people die--they have to or nothing would get the attention they need it to.

Jeff has more points of contact and access to info than most of the rest of us. It doesn't bother me so much that he genuinely believes this is aggression happening on its own, than the idea that he also knows the truth or at least the likelihood of it--and is dismissing it out of hand.

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RU's avatar

I tend to think both are true. Hamas is real and the monsters that comprise Hamas do actually want to rape, torture, behead, stone, and dismember other human beings. They actually do have a very real desire to do all this and do have a stone-aged mindset. They would do it if they could do it.

Which is where the other truth comes in: no way could they do this w/o intelligence agency assistance. The timing and scale of this screams deep state involvement. Falling for this as some one-off spontaneous act is no different than falling for "weapons of mass destruction," "we should've attacked Afghanistan instead," "covid is an equal opportunity killer," "the most tested safe and effective vaccines in history."

Contrary to Jeff's take, what people actually don't want to believe is that their own government - or rather, the shadow government that Eisenhower warned us about - is actually in control and does this sort of thing on the regular. The rest of the world knows it. But, Americans are generally willfully ignorant of the role the CIA plays in the world. It's both sad and frustrating.

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Pixie Prissy's avatar

Amen. Nailed it.

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Politico Phil's avatar

I re-read what Jeff wrote and I don't think that is what Jeff is saying. He is simply reporting on what is actually happening. He's not saying this war is NOT being engineered by an outside cabal. In fact, he is pointing out how it is SO coincidentally convenient for the O'Biden regime which does imply that possibility. And Jeff is never one to jump the gun on a hot-take and run with it but rather he always waits for evidence to back up his conclusions. Your statements about psyops are absolutely true.

Now to your point, the following news item screams to me that this whole terrorist attack is a manipulation by the Cabal and while Joe rages against the attack on TV, he in fact funded the attack when he gave $6 billion dollars to Iran, the state sponsor of Hamas, TWO MONTHS AGO. Nothing is for real except the deaths of innocent people.

Hamas Leader Calls For Global Day of Rage on Friday: ā€˜This is the Time for Jihad’

https://amgreatness.com/2023/10/11/hamas-leader-calls-for-global-day-of-rage-on-friday-this-is-the-time-for-jihad/

If there is any territory to be gained in this "theater war", it will be for Israel when she invades and occupies the Gaza strip which she now has the perfect excuse to do. This would explain why Israeli defense forces were stood down even though she knew an attack was coming. The nazi Israeli state wants Gaza. Remember, the tail wags the dog, not the other way around.

And, oh by the way, apparently there is a big gas field sitting right on Gaza's coast. Just saying... Who gains from this "war"? Therein lies the real story.

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Pixie Prissy's avatar

šŸ¤” thought provoking

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Kathy's avatar

I interpreted what Jeff said a little differently. I don’t think he was claiming to know exactly who was behind the attacks, who might have allowed them to happen, or even wanted them to happen. I think he was just pointing out the true, horrible slaughter of civilians. And now we will see the true horrible slaughter of the residents of Gaza, half of whom are children. Are there possibly some fake videos circulating out there, and some fake reports? Sure. Is this a wonderful new focus for the globalists as they continue to drain our money and attempt to drain our souls? Of course. And massive paydays for the military contractors, and and a possible way to beef up Bidens pathetic poll numbers. And a side effect is that it drew attention away from RFK’s announcement. One big tragic mess for humanity.

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AL's avatar

Yes, I can see that--he is saying that some people believe that it isn't happening at all --that it is "fake news." That would have been a better characterization because to me, psy-ops are real events, just synthetically engineered or instigated. Like 9/11--the buildings came down and people were killed, but it was an inside job. America, Israel, Iran, Britain and France---all agents of the Zionist Freemasonry. And they have been working this middle east region for decades.

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nancylee's avatar

or is so blinded by his preconception/brainwashing that he literally cannot see.

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AL's avatar

Which is the problem affecting most people. But once you dive in and start unraveling the past, you see it. How does he not see it?

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Christy's avatar

Yep. I wanna know why NOW?

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sean anderson's avatar

ā€œIf Not Now When!!ā€ šŸ˜†

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

Why 'the timing'? What's up with the timing?

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Rachel's avatar

Bidens dismal polling, support for the Ukraine war going down in flames, WEF world leaders being removed from power, insane inflation and gas prices, the dollar demoted as the favorite world currency, Covid is a nothing burger to most people and no ones getting the magic shot, Trump winning every poll by a landslide, the border backpedal by Biden, McCarthys ouster, on and on and on it goes NOT in the Deep State/Illuminati/World Elites favor (however you want to refer to the puppet masters).

They needed a major new catastrophe to get everyones attention focused off of the man behind the curtain, just like 9/11, but this one had to be even more heinous, so bring on beheading Moms and babies and the slaughtering mayhem of everyone unfortunate enough to be in Gaza when Hamas invaded.

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SB's avatar

Someone told me there is a clause in the Constitution that says elections can be suspended during times of war. IDK yet if it is true but she seemed positively certain in her claim.

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Dave's avatar

Ya, its written in invisible ink right in between the part that says "the constitution doesn't apply in emergencies" and "the first amendment doesn't apply to 'disinformation' "

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Marsha McGrath's avatar

A diversion perhaps from the Congress investigation of the crime family, the very family which has the power to do a lot of harm and the capability to control. Joe appears to be just a puppet for the CCP now - anything to hide his deals made with China.

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Michele's avatar

Also, what I note, is a lesson learned from the plandemic--the coordination of the messaging. simple example, Ben Shapiro and Glenn Beck both saying "You have to look at these images. You have to look Evil in the face." Constant repetition of the word evil, which sure, beheading with hoes is, BUT when I hear the same messages from multiple outlets now? I especially question, look for hidden story. Constant repetition of "This is Israel's 9/11."

Just as how on 9/11 the planes-into-towers footage (and I do not care if you think it was CGI or actual planes, I'm talking about the media coverage) was on a non-stop loop for days...when media are ALL trying to get me to watch the violence, I have questions.

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Tamsin's avatar

Laserpointing. Look at this violence not that violence.

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Peter d'Errico's avatar

and what was not on the 9/11 media was building 7 falling for no apparent reason….

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AL's avatar

Yes, overwhelming evidence that 9/11 was an inside job--no question about it. They got the world to believe it though (I believed it without a second thought for years) and so what we say now is irrelevant.

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Peter d'Errico's avatar

I saw the fraud as it was happening… We had a big C-Band dish at the time that could pick up so-called ā€˜wild feeds’ from satellites used by the networks to transmit raw footage to their newsrooms for massaging … I mean editing…. As I switched back and forth between those feeds and the network broadcasts i could see how the narrative was developing in the hours after the events. It was amazing.

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AL's avatar

I am sure they've had it down to a science for a long time! Seamless propaganda. Imagine how many people need to be working on this 24/7.

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daverkb's avatar

Never look for the Invisible Hand. Never question The Narrative. Forget all about C19 Terrorism. Just watch all the politicians fall all over themselves for the Ukraine, Israel the god-state. But above all ... Never Americans First, and never the border, and never sanity and decency.

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Emumundo's avatar

And the Israelis were in on 9/11.

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WP William's avatar

exactly; following the money is a global shell game operation as Joe knows perfectly well; Soros has Antifa and Profa options i'm certain. Who blew up the Maine??? These guys know how to fund and stoke and get it all going--professional war makers and profiteers.

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nancylee's avatar

more to the point - who blew up the US Liberty even wikipedia acknowledges it was Israel intentionally in one of its endless attempts to create war in the ME https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

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GG's avatar

Haaretz has a story that quotes Nentanyhu as saying, "Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas. This is part of our strategy." The comments were made in 2019. I can't access the article because it's behind a paywall.

I feel like I'm being manipulated on all sides and I can't stand it. There's a Turkish news agency yesterday that released an article saying they contacted Israeli authorities and they had heard that babies were beheaded but could not confirm.

The media has lied to us over and over again. What I see is barbarity. I see people killing indiscriminately. The thing is, I don't trust what they're showing me. I feel like I've fallen into a black hole and can't find my way out!

It would be beneficial to Israel if Hamas was truly this awful from the point that they would have majority international support to retaliate and stop the carnage. I can't get past the intelligence failures. We've heard those claims before. We know that the powers that be will say, "We didn't have the tools necessary to stop this because the law prohibits x, y, and z. You must allow us to violate these norms so we can provide safety. Give us more power."

I'm formulating a hypothesis that it doesn't really matter who caused what when the outcome is already predetermined. Then I feel ashamed because babies were beheaded! Of course it matters.

I hate living in 2023.

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Tom's avatar

"I feel like I'm being manipulated on all sides and I can't stand it."

Because you are. We all are.

I see the fingerprints of the "Prince of Persia" all over this attack.

But remember: ". . . He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world." --1 John 4:4

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GG's avatar

I keep reminding myself that God is not the Author of confusion. I know where these conflicting thoughts are coming from. I don't want to have them anymore. I want clarity. Beheading babies, if true, provides a lot of clarity. And for that matter, murdering youth at a dance party provides a lot of clarity, too. And that we know DID happen.

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Tom's avatar

Psalm 119:105 "Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path."

"To my feet" . . . perhaps I will only have clarity in my very next step.

I have learned that when His yoke does not seem easy, nor His burden light, it's because I have turned to the left or to the right, into the brambles. Much easier back on the narrow path.

Walk in the Spirit!

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GG's avatar

Thank you Tom!

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dagny awoke's avatar

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you, just have two points to share:

1) it was a serious holiday known as Sukkot and many soldiers were away from home; imagine an attack happened in the U.S. on Thanksgiving

2) Israel gets threats all the time so at some point it’s more about sifting through noise for credibility than thinking a warning is all it takes

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Sunnydaze's avatar

That’s exactly why I’m not worried, yet, about this coming to America. I doubt they are going to attack us when we are on high alert. I have friends terrified to fly right now or be away from home because of an attack here. I keep saying ā€œstop letting fear dictate what you do…unless God speaks and says don’t flyā€ etc etc.

I think an attack here will come when we least expect it…when our guards are down….like you say, Thanksgiving, Christmas, some sort of time when we are not on high alert. That’s my take šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø

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dagny awoke's avatar

I also have worry for Thanksgiving SunnyDaze… banks are closed. Thank you for reminding me and others not to live in fear on the day to day. I needed to hear this message and I’m grateful to you!

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Absolutely! We need to help remind each other. God is not a God of confusion and chaos. Satan is. We choose not to live by fear. I didn’t let fear of covid and shots dictate my life and I won’t now. We do not let terrorists dictate anything right now. If/when that changes then I’ll deal with my decisions. I do however keep a listening ear for the still small voice of The Lord. I choose to obey His words and direction to me.

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AL's avatar

I am also not worried about it GENUINELY happening, but I do believe this thing was set off in order to justify attacks here in the US. Those attacks by "Hamas terrorist cells that came through the Southern border" (we'll believe that wont we?) were "leaked" in mainstream news on the day of the attack! New York is already getting specific "warnings" about Hamas terrorism there--and you can bet the cartel/CIA/mafia shadow govt already have those attacks planned.

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

Oh you mean from millions of military age men crossing the border illegally?

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Emumundo's avatar

Our attack will come internally. Masses of soldiers crossing our border. Weaponization of DOJ,FBI, the post office for goodness sake.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes they’ve attacked on holidays more than once.

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Emumundo's avatar

It worked for George Washington. The attack on Christmas was a turning point in the war.

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Melanie Eccles's avatar

That was my initial thought as this thing unravelled - war is very profitable - follow the money - there is no way that Israel didn't see this coming with all it's advanced technology and intelligence. Just sayin'...

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Mykool's avatar

Agreed... If subscribers, of the corrupt/captured legacy media, never question the information, the programming shall continue. We know the mainstream media has told absolute known and obvious lies, over the course of many years. They and the WH communist administration are dismantling this country, piece-by-piece. The population of Russia, in the 19th century, as called out by rolandttg, brought communism west. We are staring down the muzzles, now. We were warned by Anatoliy Golitsyn, a communist defector. Between 1958 and 61, we learned most everything we needed to know. Hence the Perestroika Deception...

p.s. Most likely, Israel and the United States masterminded 9/11

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nancylee's avatar

see it coming? good chance they organized it

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

It's instructive to review the family ancestry of many in our government promoting war in ukraine.

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Vicki's avatar

Yup.....similar bloodlines that have aligned with satanic values for centuries!

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Mykool's avatar

Good post rolandttg.. nice to see others "awake". Think Bolshevik revolution... same operators today. Many of the so-called terrorists are trained by the KGB-GRU. It's hard for many to link communism with Islamic groups, but welcome to the great deception. Most of the countries ending in "stan" were of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. People are woefully unaware of the Perestroika Deception. It's unfolding and accelerating, in real time. The Cloward-Piven strategy is certainly is found at the gaping borders, of the USA.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

US did support bin Laden against the Soviets.

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rolandttg's avatar

Exactly. Chapter 4 of None Dare Call it Conspiracy deals with the international banking cartel funding the Bolshevik Revolution. Communism is their plan to enslave the world, not the communism people think of , but just the means to enslave us and control the world for them. The young dweebs have no clue they are just useful idiots to therm, to bet cat aside when they are no longer needed. Few realize fascism and communism are just two sides of the same coin. Both are simply a means for total government sic banister control of the masses.

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Mykool's avatar

Indeed it is the plan, as laid out in the Perestroika Deception. One world government (communism) and 1 world religion. We know what that religion is. It isn't hard to see it. The UN has the Lucis Trust, which was formerly known as The Lucifer Trust. It's all over the higher degrees of free Masonry. The central bankers and their (should-be criminal) fractional reserve banking is to keep humans in subservient debt.

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Dick's avatar

...We trained them too.

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RU's avatar

The CIA/deep state/establishment needed both 1) a way out of their failure of a war in Ukraine and 2) a new revenue stream to replace that one. That is not to say the CIA dressed up as Hamas and committed these acts. It is to say that undercover CIA operatives likely provided information to Hamas and found ways to keep the path clear so the attack would succeed. It's Iraq all over again. And Afghanistan. Almost mirroring what they did with Afghanistan, they need to shift the narrative from a "liberal" war to a "conservative" war to keep the war revenue stream flowing. Sadly, it's working, yet again.

They will abandon Ukraine and begin "rebuilding" (more $$$ for them - think NYC, San Fran, Chicago, Hawaii - their MO is destroying property to buy it cheap and develop it) and shift their focus to this war. We don't even know yet who they will declare as the state sponsor of this attack. My guess is Iran.

IDK how people can watch this happen in real time and not see what is actually happening, considering how often the exact same thing has happened over just the last 20 years. It's so, so obvious.

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Emumundo's avatar

The people in this country have 20 second attention spans.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Exactly! And the same cabal that controls the Bolshevik O'biden regime also controls the regime in Tel Aviv. The Jewish refugees of post WWII did not escape Nazism. The Nazism followed them to the political state of Israel. (I have to use the qualifier "political state of" because people constantly refer to the modern political state of Israel as the Israel of the Bible just because they employ the same name. This is not what Jesus meant.)

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

PP, this is yet another point that just staggers me -- the equating of that political state on the Mediterranean with the Biblical š’š’‚š’•š’Šš’š’ of Israel -- the š’š’‚š’•š’Šš’š’ comprising tribes -- not a damn modern-day political invention with borders it has violated repeatedly, enabled by Balfour more than 100 years ago...

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Politico Phil's avatar

I can't help myself, I have to add this. Historians tell us the the Celtic tribes first suddenly appeared in history on the west side of the Caucasus mountains (in the millions) and over time migrated west to the British isles.

Now, Joseph of Arimathea was Jesus' uncle. He was a rich tin merchant who made his money supplying tin to the Roman empire for their army which was necessary for their weapons. It was his tomb that Jesus was buried in. Now uncle Joseph obtained his tin to sell to the Romans from mines in the British isles. To keep the mines secret from the Romans, Joseph ordered his ships to scuttle themselves anytime they were followed by the Romans. Tradition has it that his young nephew Jesus once traveled with him to the British isles where he ministered to the people there. Seems the 10 tribes disappeared from recorded history but God didn't forget them.

I almost forgot... Tradition also tells us that Paul traveled to the British isles where he preached the gospel on Lud hill. What was surprising to Paul was that he found people who were already believers in the Messiah. This is the same hill that St. Paul's Cathedral is built on. You gotta love tradition.

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Dick's avatar

Great little thread PP.

Do you have a source for the last post re the Celts, Jesus & Joseph of A, & Britain etc?

The Israel State vs the Israel of Bible prophesy is my response to the left-behind end times thing, the clock assumed to start upon the establishment of Israel. But there are many other reasons why I don’t accept that dispensational view of God’s plan.

Thanks for all your thoughts today.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Wow, that takes me back more than 40 years. Obviously, secular historians will not support anything that gives credence to the Biblical account of history. They simply ignore it. They don't even attempt to answer the question of the origin of the Celts who just magically appeared in the millions on the western steps of the Caucasus mountains. Same thing goes for the Flood, creation or any Biblical historical account.

Anyway, back then I learn a lot of this from a Biblical scholar/historian I listened to. Most of these accounts come from church tradition rather than officially recognized histories. One would have to spend a lot of time researching church traditions around the Mediterranean to pull it all together. I don't have any sources you can actually look up but there must be some writers who have published on this. I haven't been in it for a long time.

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Politico Phil's avatar

What I find humorous is that even during the time of Jesus there were only two tribes in Israel, the tribe of Judah and a few from Levi. The 10 tribes of northern Israel that had been taken into captivity rejected an offer from Judah to return to the land and instead decided to pick up and go west. They crossed the Caucasus Mountains and disappeared off the pages of recorded history. With the sacking of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD, the Jews were dispersed and the genealogies destroyed thus ending forever the Old Covenant sacrificial system. Without the genealogies, there can be no High Priest without whom there can be no sacrifice. Obviously, God put an end to it because the sacrifice of the Christ is the ultimate sacrifice and he is now the High Priest.

BTW, at the same time the 10 tribes disappeared from history into the Caucasus mountains the Celtic tribes suddenly appeared, in the millions, on the east side of the Caucasus mountains. Gee, I wonder.....

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Dick's avatar

Yep. But I thought Christ’s death on the cross ended the sacrifices — once for all — & the rending of the curtain in the temple was a sign of it.

So even hypothetically, if they had all their priestly ducks in a row & all the tribes, it’d be useless. …?

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Politico Phil's avatar

Yes. That was the point of God destroying the Temple and the genealogies. The OT provisional administration of grace was ended once the Messiah came and fulfilled everything that was foreshadowed by the OT covenant. Those who rejected the Messiah when he came to them were cut off from covenant with God. But His offer is always available to all.

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Dick's avatar

Phil — I’m way behind in my reading but found this thread I’d left open on my ph. You had better watch what you post, bc they are so good I am copying & saving a great many lest those gems get lost & buried in the sediments of C&C comms. Treasures.

Just thought you might like to know.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/leaks-wednesday-october-11-2023-c/comment/41673716#comment-41912275?utm_source=activity_item

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Dick's avatar

Yes! Thanks PP. God Bless!

šŸ™šŸ½šŸ•Š

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Mykool's avatar

Excellent post PoliPhi!

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CathyRN's avatar

Exactly what I’ve been been thinking. Planned for their own gain. They don’t care about innocent life. The end justifies the means. What evil people. God always deals with evil.

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Billy G's avatar

Well, the Project for an New American Century said we needed another Pearl Harbor type event. Then, wouldn't you know 9-11 happened, wars throughout the middle east ensued. Then the Patriot Act, you know the one where we Americans pretty much lost all of our civil rights. Now this horrific scene in Israel. Can't imagine what type of new security they have in store for the world now.

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Mary H.'s avatar

Evil has no limits . Absolutely mind boggling.

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Michele's avatar

Here it is on Israel created Hamas:

https://youtu.be/FNSEOhkJKLg

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

I will bless Yahweh at all times;

His praise shall continually be in my mouth.

My soul will make its boast in Yahweh;

The humble will hear it and rejoice.

O magnify Yahweh with me,

And let us exalt His name together.

I inquired of Yahweh, and He answered me,

And delivered me from all that I dread.

…

The eyes of Yahweh are toward the righteous

And His ears are open to their cry for help.

The face of Yahweh is against evildoers,

To cut off the memory of them from the earth.

The righteous cry, and Yahweh hears

And delivers them out of all their troubles.

Yahweh is near to the brokenhearted

And saves those who are crushed in spirit.

Many are the evils against the righteous,

But Yahweh delivers him out of them all.

— Psalm 34:1-4; 15-19 LSB

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NancyP's avatar

Thank you, Janice.

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

ā€œDelivered me from all that I dreadā€ jumped out at me. There is a lot to dread…but this is past tense. Delivered. Focusing on that.

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SarahI's avatar

You just brought me a sense of peace. Thank you.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Thank you, Janice, for setting our focus on Yahweh and His righteousness and faithfulness!!

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Forgive me if I don’t get on the biden train to Israel. Before this war pedo Pete and his regime wanted nothing to do with Israel and being on the same side. Israel was a fly on bidens butt that they kept trying to flick off because they were annoyed. But NOW, it’s all hands on deck. Ya right. How convenient they got to pivot from their money laundering schemes to suddenly all in on Israel. It’s a war of convenience for the regime, and another endless supply for their money train. Anyone see the war machine stocks going up?

It’s an election miracle in the making.

🤫 Don’t look at the $6 billion we gave to Iran…instead listen to all my ear tickling words where I condemn the attack. 🤫 My regime didn’t fund this you silly stupid peasants.

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

I would have despaired unless I had believed that I would see the goodness of Yahweh

In the land of the living.

Hope in Yahweh;

Be strong and let your heart take courage;

Hope in Yahweh.

— Psalm 27:13-14 LSB

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Emumundo's avatar

Thank you,Janice. Your posts help keep mr grounded amidst all the chaos.

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Jen's avatar

Agree, it ticks me off. He caused this...he has no right to feign outrage now.

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WP William's avatar

No $6 Billion, no green light on the massacre operation.

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Nikki (Gayle) Nicholson's avatar

I bet he still gives them the money

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Barbls's avatar

I read somewhere that we also released $15 billion to Iran in August. Kerry is Biden's bag man.

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Nikki (Gayle) Nicholson's avatar

bag man for the deep state, Kerry doesn't care a bit for America

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GG's avatar

I had read that we released $10 billion before the Biden admin released the $6 billion. So $16 billion should fund a lot of baby beheadings. It's evil, but not so evil that Biden wont fund it.

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Corkey's avatar

šŸ’Æ percent

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Butterfly2510's avatar

I was sick to my stomach when I heard the US was giving them $6 billion!! Why can’t we give that to Lahaina to rebuild? They (Lahaina) could probably get it done with one billion. I am sick and tired of giving our money to other countries. I know it’s terrible what happened but do they even need our money? Why six billion? Is it to cleanse our guilt for giving Iran $6 billion so now we will give Israel $6 billion? The USG has no money!! Stop borrowing from our grandkids. This money grab has got to STOP!!

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Emumundo's avatar

From what I understood was the $6 billion was money that Korea owed Iran but was frozen because of US sanctions. We lifted the sanctions and then I think the money was converted a couple times and sent to Iran. We didn’t actually give them our money, we gave them their money. Why now?

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nancylee's avatar

fyi

After the Iranian Revolution* in 1979, the United States ended its economic and diplomatic ties with Iran, banned Iranian oil imports and froze approximately 11 billion 1980-US dollars of its assets.

after we couped a democratically elected government in Iran replacing it with our brutal puppet the Shah, eventually the Iranian people revolted. So, to punish them, we stole their money, kept it for 44 years and reluctantly gave a small portion of it back. always a good idea to look at the history.

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Emumundo's avatar

That was another debacle. That embassy should have cleared. Once the Shah took off in an airplane so full of gold it could hardly get off the ground we should have expected trouble. Our response was an embarrassment. More distraction.

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Susan Catherine's avatar

Yep--absolutely agree. Also, I listened to a podcast this morning where one of the guys briefly said that if we enter WWIII there is the potential to freeze elections. I wonder if that's where this is going.

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

WW3 started in 1991 and moved in very slow motion.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I think everything is on the table. One eye open at all times.

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Christy's avatar

It’s so crazy to me. I know this is horrific, but this happens in Africa and South America EVERy DAY. Why don’t Americans have Peru or South Africa flags up?

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Nikki (Gayle) Nicholson's avatar

definitely a human tragedy that will deflect from biden cartel, he could careless about Israel. He is nothing but true garbage. smoke and mirrors, deep state manipulating the world again.

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Pixie Prissy's avatar

The fact that Biden has not re-frozen the $6B speaks volumes. #InOnIt

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Annie's avatar

Agree. šŸ’Æ

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Emumundo's avatar

And get arms that we left in Afghanistan

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NE - Naked Emperor Newsletter's avatar

Remain sceptical about everything the MSM is reporting. Remember the Ghost of Ukraine etc, it is all done to stir up emotions and create division.

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Just_Henry's avatar

The one thing we all should know is that we know nothingā˜ ļø

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

For those who don't know, and with the disclaimer I only slightly more than nothing šŸ˜…that phrase is credited to Plato's stories of Socrates. He was told by the Oracle at Delphi that he was the smartest man alive. He then spent the rest of his life trying to disprove that but always it always turned out to be the case.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

It's good to be skeptical but at some point you have to realize one of the goals of pysops is to make you oblivious and ignorant. Things are happening. Skepticism kept me from getting the Trump shot. Now I know it was right.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

To add on to my point:

There are some in the anti-covid vaccine movement that put out, intentionally, fake stuff. "COVID VACCINE IS LINKED TO 5G" etc. It's fake and damages the authentic and real desire to not have a bad heart by age 30.

The pushing of the clearly fake info is intended to dilute the real message and get it lost in the noise.

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Suzanne's avatar

Our daughter, age 30, was recently diagnosed with stage 4, terminal metastatic breast cancer. No warning, no lumps, nothing. Anecdotally she is the only family member to have three jabs courtesy of moderna. We are heartbroken.

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laura-ann Knox's avatar

Y'all see the genius (literally) 29 year old scientist who was just diagnosed with a MALIGNANT TUMOR in her HEART. it's two inches across. The cancer is so rare it's seen only a couple times a year in Great Britain.

29 years old

I'm so sorry for you and your family.

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Suzanne's avatar

So so sad.

I appreciate your thoughts. Hoping that we all learn something new out of this tragedy so that we can help someone else.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

big hugs. 😪😪😪

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Mykool's avatar

Hi Suzanne, I'm sorry for your daughter. I'm no doctor, so this is not medical advise. Research Dr. Thomas Seyfried, he has proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that cancer is not a genetic disease, but a metabolic disease. Cancer feeds on 2 fuels, glucose and .glutamine. If those fuels are controlled (glutamine is tricky), cancer cannot survive. For whatever it's worth, I am 12 yrs past stage IV (metastatic) in which I had a very bad prognosis for survival.

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Suzanne's avatar

Thank you Michael. I will look at this. I'm also reviewing a You-tube from a couple of years ago from a Dr. Phillip Buckhaults, a PhD degree holder in molecular biology and chemistry. He warned that the human dna was being invaded by the plasmid dna that was used in the jabs. And it was capable of turning off tumor suppressors in our dna that normally work. She has been diagnosed with Li-Fraumeni Syndrome. A cluster of cancers that multiplies from a switch that has been turned off to suppress cancer tumors or proteins. It was something that concerned him greatly at the time and was hoping to research the stem cells of deceased vaccinated people. It makes me so angry.

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Mykool's avatar

I understand your anger. The public at large was subjected to an intentional bio-weapon. Cancer, even without DNA manipulation, is unregulated cell growth. I am a believer in Dr. Seyfried's analysis. Even if it buys time, while the quest to correct the tainted DNA is found, it may be worth a look. 2 fuels.... that's it.

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Suzanne's avatar

Are you still on the protocol as far as diet restrictions? Sugar, especially?

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Mykool's avatar

I am on a modified Keto diet. I eat no sugar and certainly no processed food/seed oils, etc. When I was sick, it was ultra strict. You can buy a Keto Mojo meter, for around $50. It 's a very valuable tool. Dr. Seyfried believes a glucose to ketone index should be 2 or less. I am 100% on board with that. The strict keto diet isn't hard to follow. The food that can be eaten is vast and abundant. One of his protocols involves stressing tumors with restricted glucose (pressing), and (pulsing) with 6-Diazo-5-oxo-L-norleucine to lower glutamine. Tumors cannot survive without these fuels. It's tricky, but doable. It's not the standard of care. regarding cancer treatment. There's not enough profits. Then again, it's pretty apparent that the CDC, NIAID, NIH, and many other 3-letter agencies are not on our side.

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Suzanne's avatar

I'm guessing she wouldn't be able to get the protocol from a regular hospital, right? She has a connection to The City of Hope in Duarte, but I'm afraid there would be recommendations for perhaps chemo or surgery or some other unhelpful protocols as this point. Where would you get pressing and pulsing done? I did look up a link on NIH and the trial sounded positive with targeted methods against the tumors.

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Mykool's avatar

The closest location may be Istanbul. They only treat stage IV, with a great track record. I have no faith in the NIH and do not believe they're on our side. They are still proposing the BS that cancer is genetic. You could look into Dr Seyfried's thesis, for a better perspective. Until a business model can be developed, so hospital CEOs can profit and survive, it will struggle to go mainstream.

She could demand metabolic therapy, in Duarte... They are bound by the standard of care. We the people need to start demanding it.

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Suzanne's avatar

thank you, I know it doesn't change anything now so it's best to try to fight this cancer with all our might. I appreciate your feedback and information.

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Fred's avatar

So sorry! šŸ’” in the category of nothing to loose, look at the high dose IVM studies, strict keto diet, and maybe Metformin or Avastin (latter sometimes works very well; sometimes not at all; IDK about breast)

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Suzanne's avatar

She's up for trying most anything. She has eliminated sugar and is trying medicinal teas, (soursop, essiac) and has started immunotherapy (Ibrance) and is on a couple of estrogen blockers. It really was my worst fear coming true when we cautioned her against the jab.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I’m so sorry šŸ˜ž

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Willing Spirit's avatar

I first noticed this back in the seventies. Some outrageous claim would be made to get evangelical Christians up in arms. It would be proven false and diminish the efforts against slightly less outrageous happenings that were factual.

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daverkb's avatar

There is no electromagnetic frequency, no telemetry, no transmitters and receivers ... even though this stuff litters the Transhumanist synthetic biology literature. NOTHING TO SEE HERE.

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

It's rare that I mostly agree with you šŸ˜ŽIn this case I would argue the role of psyops is not to leave ignorant, but to deliberately mislead. Those are not the same things.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

That too and make you blind and ignorant. "I can't believe anything because this was fake. Myocarditis cases increasing 500%? Must be fake because the 5g thing was fake!".

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Willing Spirit's avatar

ā€œQuestion everythingā€ does not mean ā€œNothing is true.ā€

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daverkb's avatar

Or was that the DoD shot, the WHO shot, the CDC shot, the Club of Rome long longed for shot! The Bill Gates and John Hopkins shot. The Imperial College Shot. the CNN and MSNBC shot. The China shot ... et alia.

On no! It was just, solely and only .... da, de, dum ... The Trump Shot.

(Forgive me! I forgot. I just had a lapse.)

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Trump was the one who claimed credit for operation "warp speed" and says it was the best shot ever.

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daverkb's avatar

So what else is new Little 2 Bean Benny, Silly Shill For All Ages? And how much do you get paid for Talking Stupid?

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Paid? For this? This is what I do inbetween working on vehicles and not on the .mil clock.

Now that I get to keep my job I'm a lot more chipper.

The Russians have had a very bad time lately in Avdiivka where they lost around 35 tanks, 1000 men, and 91 APCs. Kreminna wasn't any better-15 lost.

https://t.me/ukrbavovna/11066

https://t.me/ukrbavovna/11070

Ain't fake at all.

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Annie's avatar

Ukraine? Huh. Forgot about that. šŸ˜‰

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FourWinds's avatar

Nailed it! I trust NOTHING from the MSM.

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OnTheJump's avatar

Cui bono ?

....you gotta ask.

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LuAnne's avatar

Ah yes. Insults & accusations always opens the door to constructive dialog.

šŸ¤”

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Christy's avatar

They were on here yesterday also calling names instead of having a debate.

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Dr Linda's avatar

There a few posts that concerned me. Name calling is rare here.

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Christy's avatar

Totally agree. I disagree with ppl all the time but name calling is ā€œwhat? Are we in middle school?ā€

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Dr Linda's avatar

I know right? Sadly, it seems to affected a number of people.

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Christy's avatar

Totally agree, but they usually don’t last here long.

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Chevrus's avatar

No need to be sorry, just leave. Where is that Block Feature located again?!

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

We tend to have a more skeptical crowd here. Nevertheless the average rube is so gullible he will not only swallow any lie Hook Line and sinker, but also the entire rod,reel, fisherman and the boat he was standing upon 😈

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

Skepticism does not mean one can't believe something. It means questioning, having doubts and reservations about what one sees and hears. And then afterwards the person can choose to accept or reject the subject matter

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Peace's avatar

I'm curious how you are so certain these are 100% lies - do you have inside intelligence? They don't call it the "fog of war" for no reason - none of us can be 100% certain of anything going on these days.

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Chevrus's avatar

What I have found to be effective is to ā€œsuspend beliefā€ and allow for the building of a stochastic model that changes over time. Essentially building a dynamic simulation which is fed with information streams. It is vital not to jump to conclusions, settle on ā€œone truthā€ or discard something immediately because it is found to be challenging. This can be built over time and is very useful in cases where one is not confronted with physical evidence, ie most of what makes up reality these days. Eventually as the model continues to update, one can see patterns emerge and conclusion however temporary can be drawn.

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Jessica's avatar

Same tactics as WW1 babies on bayonets, Kuwait; babies tossed from incubators. There are loads of other examples of using this type of violence on babies to get the masses all on board for war and later it’s all revealed to be BS but no one remembers or focussed on how it was a pile of propaganda.

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MaryAnn's avatar

No wonder they think we are stupid. We keep taking the bait. I wrote "Don't take the bait." in my devotional this time last year. I need to be reminded of that every. single. day. God is sovereign.

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Trilby's avatar

Those babies are all psy-actors. Very convincing performances.

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goodnightrose's avatar

I made no claims, only encouraged some well earned skepticism for what is portrayed by the media with A.I. at its disposal.

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Amy's avatar

Not only rape but "defilement" according to one headline. That word irritates me - as though women who suffered rape are now unclean - unless they're talking about post-mortem "defilement" which is a whole 'nother implication of horror.

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MayBella82's avatar

I just can’t imagine that they would stop the killing to rape or defile someone especially if they had just killed them. The intent seems to be to kill as many as possible for the biggest impact. The headlines are meant to get attention which it is doing. IMHO.

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Thoughtful's avatar

I think "defilement" in this context could mean many things other than "sexual impurity" - I think it means they were (also) sodomized (by people and objects) and their bodies brutalized (post-mortem) in ways that are religiously or culturally offensive to the victims. It's essentially everything a barbaric murderer could think to do to offend the deceased's family to incite rage. (Thankfully, my mind can't imagine much more, but I'm sure there's more.)

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Chevrus's avatar

Such charm and wit...so good of you to show up and attempt to sow discord!

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Could he be B with 2 N's or Iron Horsey in disguise?

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Chevrus's avatar

I had pretty much assumed that….James Corbett of the Corbett Report recently published a ā€œgentleman’s guideā€ to trolls and other such creatures on comments sections.

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Dr Linda's avatar

I wondered about several other new folks on yesterday’s posts

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Yes, probably directed by DoD and DHS.

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Dr Linda's avatar

My conspiracy theorist brain thinking the same.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Substack is one of the last places for free speech so the Deep State will try to destroy it.

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Trilby's avatar

Sure, those videos look really fake.

I am being sarcastic.

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Jessica's avatar

They look very fake

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

Please keep Mary Lou Retton, 1984 Olympic Gold Medalist, aged 55, in your prayers. She is reported to be hospitalized with a serious, rare form of pneumonia. I don't have any further details. Wikipedia gives little of her health history other than a hip replacement in her 30s, attributed to her gymnast history. I'm not a doctor, but can speak from experience that pneumonia is no fun. I had two separate cases of it aged 20, when I was in military training. They were not the life-threatening variety, but it doesn't (easily) cure on its own and both cases required medical intervention. The rest is sheer speculation: My personal history notwithstanding, it's abnormal for otherwise healthy people to catch pneumonia, much less a "rare" version. One can only conjecture on what recent mass medical interventions known to damage the body's immune system may be a factor. Just saying.

More importantly, allow me to paraphrase what Jeff said today: "It’s time to focus on the United States’s problems, instead of other countries’ problems." Allow me to make just a few comments on today’s blog. The latest war news from Israel. It's major news and shocking, as it should be. But here, and in most media I've noticed, sentiment is for Israel. Any speech or protest against them is condemned. Now let's analyze this is just a bit deeper detail. I want you to do a bit of self-reflection and ask yourself what should be some extremely relevant questions:

Why should I (and by extension, my government, etc.) take sides on a conflict between two parties that don’t seem to have the slightest relevance to me or my nation?

Why is nearly all the media coverage one-sided?

How can I distinguish the barrage of ā€œnewsā€ that’s being reported from partisan propaganda, for whatever purpose?

If you’ve read this far, allow me to make a few more observations that I suspect are accurate. Have you had some emotional response to me daring to raise these issues? Perhaps a sense of hostility, or that I’m somehow doing something evil? Perhaps, even, that I’m a plant for the other side? Note those, too.

Regardless of how you may feel about me or which side you take on the current war in Israel, what I’m hoping to illustrate with the above questions is simply that you, like anyone, are subject to manipulate by outside powers with questionable motives. The news is invariably biased. You're free to believe as you wish. I exhort you to not accept anything unquestioned and, ideally, to have some firm underpinnings for your beliefs. Or, perhaps, to at times ask yourself, ā€œIs this even of any relevance to me?ā€

When dealing with the media or the internet, you should always assume that others have ulterior motives. Maybe even me. (ā€œHow DARE he suggest that I might be deceived, and that I should think for myself! The nerve!ā€)

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Donna in MO's avatar

From the moment I opened Sat AM's C&C and learned of the attack, I have purposefully tuned out all of the news on this. The first week of any major story is a lot of talking without any real insight, and honestly, foreign policy is an area for me where I am a mile wide and an inch deep, save a few forays into a rabbit hole here and there. So I decided to reserve all judgment on this until we know more, save a lot of prayers for the innocent people killed and kidnapped.

I did watch Tucker's interview with Vivek, though, as I watch all of Tucker's broadcasts, and while I don't trust Vivek, he did make the point (and since I am not watching or listening to the media I can't vet this) that NO ONE (except Jeff on C&C) is asking how did one of the best intelligence agencies on the earth miss this? He said in asking that, he was told it was 'too soon' but he argued that, no it was not too soon, as we need to find out what caused this 'gaping hole' in US and Israeli intelligence before feeding more dollars into it. (5:45 mark at https://twitter.com/i/status/1711496189323952185) Seems like a good question to me?!

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Michele's avatar

Good move to tune out. I was working a crisis hotline when 9/11 happened, so I missed all that footage, and then after my shift was over I chose to keep missing it. None the worse for it, imho.

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Donna in MO's avatar

I don't really have a source I trust when it comes to the middle east. I WAS sucked in on 9/11. Was at the office, but all of us kept gravitating back into the conference room where a TV was on. And here we are 22 years later, with a plethora of more options for 'news' and still don't know the whole truth. Although what I thought was true then I no longer believe.

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Michele's avatar

Yeah, the point at which I realize the situation there is so complicated is also the point at which I have to shrug and say, well, there are plenty of conflicts right here at home that I should just save my energy for. I understand many will read this assertion and say "You bet it does too concern you" and I do not deny that it well may, but I have no personal skin in the game there (i.e. peeps on either side of that border), and while I may be subject to Israeli spyware the US Govt bought, or while I may be yet further defrauded as a taxpayer by sending my dollars or goods bought with my dollars over there, still. We got troubles here, including border, local elections, economy, Constitution being ripped to shreds. Plus plenty of folks here who need our charity, versus those abroad. So much to do, here.

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Donna in MO's avatar

Not to mention local leftist infiltration that we can still fight back on - there are several things going on locally that we are making progress on and yet most of the focus has now shifted to stuff we have NO control over.

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Christy's avatar

Totally agree!!!

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STH's avatar

Great interview!

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TT's avatar

And this celebrity chef whom died of a severe allergic reaction, but no one knows what he was allergic to and he was not known to have any allergies. I wonder if a certain experimental mass medical intervention which is known to adversely affect the immune system (the system which is provoked in allergic reactions) could have anything to do with it.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2023/10/10/chef-michael-chiarello-death-deadly-risk-of-allergies-what-to-know/71131853007/

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MaryAnn's avatar

I questioned that also. My understanding is anaphylaxis results subsequent to an initial exposure to an allergen (hives, itching, etc come first as a warning our body is reacting). If he had that first exposure response, it was not noted, nor was the allergen identified. Could the injected poison circumvent that first warning mechanism?

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Peace's avatar

Great questions - the more I dig, the more I see that both sides of this Israeli-Palestine/Gaza fiasco have innocent blood on their hands. I'm still waiting for someone to propose any sort of non-violent end to this, and I'm not holding my breath. History would indicate the chances are slim to none. El Gato Malo had a good post yesterday.

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FourWinds's avatar

I trust nothing to do with the media. Nothing. I just can't at this point. If something awful is happening, and I believe it is, I can't and won't trust the media or our government to tell the truth. That's what happens when someone lies. And no, what is happening there has no relevance to me at all. This does not mean I don't care about the dead. It means from my home in Ohio, I can do nothing. Being upset about it serves no purpose (my perspective only) as I can help no one there by being upset.

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NAB's avatar

The always reliable and even-handed Darryl Cooper (a.k.a. Martyr Made) did a series on the Palestinian/Israeli issue. Here's part 1:

https://martyrmade.com/fear-and-loathing-in-the-new-jerusalem-pt-1/

And here's a tweet he sent out this morning providing some basic back ground (NB: he spent time in Israel working with IDF on and off for 10 years):

https://twitter.com/martyrmade/status/1711890699568943493?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

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RunningLogic's avatar

That was very interesting. I especially appreciate point 5. This has always been the MO and I don’t know why people refuse to believe this of Hamas.

Also I don’t understand why people seem to think that Israeli intelligence is infallible. Nothing on this earth is infallible. That overestimates their capabilities and underestimates those of Hamas. History Is littered with examples of armies and leaders who were thought to be invincible but ended up being surprised or beaten by the underdog.

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TeacherLori's avatar

Years ago, I was a healthy, 27-year-old athlete who got sick with pneumonia and was hospitalized for 5 days. It happens. It had gone undiagnosed for a week because (supposedly) my lung capacity was so great the doctor didn’t hear anything through her stethoscope. After a week, when I wasn’t getting better, she finally ordered an X-ray. The next day I was hospitalized with a pretty severe case.

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Verve's avatar

I just don't understand how a such a high profile person like Mary Lou Retton has absolutely no health insurance. She's 55 years old and 10 years away from Medicare. It just goes to show you how horrible the state of affairs is for the rest of society who don't have her skills, public support, franchise or notoriety. I am heartbroken for her and her daughters, and I hope her ex husband is offering support as well. There are thousands and thousands of these funding campaigns out there - there is only so much people can offer in this economy.

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Melanie Eccles's avatar

I read it all and I appreciated your point of view. I have asked myself some of those same questions. I got the feeling almost right away that this attack might not be coincidental; that the timing just might have something to do with Robert Kennedy's "Declaration of Independence" announcement for running as an independent (could just be speculation of course) but, nothing in politics is coincidental. My thought is that Bobby Kennedy's announcement may result in a great upset to the Left, or the Right for that matter, which would "upset the cart" that was set in motion many years ago. We have to remain unbiased and keep our critical thinking caps on during this time. Here is a link to a short video (18 mins) that I watched this morning before reading C&C. One of the interviewers is a Russian Jew living in England. I would be interested in your thoughts. Thanks for sharing. https://youtu.be/OjOgKHw6HY4si=fvXKnvbcg_neKsoJ

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Marsha McGrath's avatar

It’s somewhat fortunate when the jab (perhaps) does not do a SADS and allows for hopeful recovery and hospitalization. Prayers.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Zelensky: uhh, guys, I'm still getting my money, right???

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Dr Linda's avatar

Thanks for the laugh

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RunningLogic's avatar

šŸ˜†

Reminds me of that meme with the boyfriend looking behind him at the hot girl waking past and the girlfriend beside him looking outraged šŸ˜†

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Ed Thorrens's avatar

Thank you Jeff. God bless you and your family.

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Queen Hotchibobo's avatar

Good morning, friends!

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RunningLogic's avatar

Good morning!! šŸ˜Šā˜•ļø

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Annie's avatar

I was talking with my coworkers, all vaxxed, about a person who's sibling passed away suddenly and unexpectedly. Only warning they had was she seemed tired. One commented that you never know these days if there's an underlying condition. Look at the young people that this happened too. I said in all my years I never saw this happening with the regularity that is happening now. Something has changed. I guess this is the "new normal " that was mentioned during the pandemic. At that point we all knew what I was talking about without having to say it. Let them think on it. šŸ¤”

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Michele's avatar

Have a co-worker who is in HS who had a jabbed classmate die of 'pneumonia' last week. She, unjabbed, is saddened but also upset that NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THE LIKELY REAL REASON.

So sad, so infuriating.

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Annie's avatar

My husband did a job for a client who works as a pharmacy technician at CVS in our area. She told him they are booked solid for shots. Not necessarily covid but flu, rsv, shingles, pneumonia, even tetanus. He was blown away 😳. I said I told you so. I live in an area of believers- all hail the pharma gods. They are scared and doubling down. šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļøšŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø

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SA's avatar

There’s a flag sign at a local grocery store that is advertising all the shots you list above. It lists so many vaxes that the print on the bottom is tiny. They might need a new flag to continue their …vax list next year šŸ˜‚. Even more reason to stop shopping at grocery stores with pharmacies. Usually mostly crappy food/drug peddling stores anyhow.

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Michele's avatar

The free weekly in my area of CA this week was filled with full-page ads from hospitals and pharmacies with sleeves rolled up and band-aided arms.

🤮

I too live in a true believers' area. Library still has a huge sign saying masks are recommended for all, regardless of vaccination status. SMH.

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

Oh, no, I hate to think that the death and disability charts won't be leveling off anytime soon! How terribly sad.

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A Whip of Cords's avatar

1. The rape and slaughter of innocents was an intentional tactic to create a moral ā€˜scorched earthā€ zone around Gaza. No normal Israeli wife and mother will want to make and raise a family there- possibly for generations. This tactic was used by Muslims in the Bosnian civil war in the 90s. Rape as a weapon. Hamas cannot occupy Israeli territory with troops but they can ensure Israelis don’t make their homes there. 2. As a former fighter pilot in an elite US unit, I have experience with Tactics and capabilities of the Israelis. Many of the tools our own Deep StAte uses to collect intel and conduct surveillance of citizens were developed in Israel. I’m not buying the story that Israel was caught flat footed. The consequences of that line of thinking are too horrible to pursue, but must be considered. A clue is in what the Israeli government did to its own citizens during their deathvaxx COVID response. They most certainly knew it was not Safe & Effective, yet did it anyway. Why? Was their deathvaxx mandate decision any different than a decision to slow walk a response to the Hamas incursion? At this point in the world wide pys-op, I trust no state actors and question everything.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

And Israel mandated the draconian Green Pass to prove vax status.

They learned nothing from the Holocaust..."show me your papers."

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Susan Catherine's avatar

Agreed--trust no state actors and question everything. Perhaps they preferred to have cause of death from beheading i/o from the vax...that's probably too deep of a conspiracy thought but it did run through my mind.

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Kathy's avatar

Excellent points here.

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Nelson Pewitt's avatar

I will vote for bringing back the red X. I appreciated your purpose for it and think that it shows exactly what you said - the horrible heartlessness in those killing and maiming people in the name of profit.

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Tamsin's avatar

Yep. Just move the red X to over the chest of the person, not over the face.

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Peter Schott's avatar

More concerned now that the Biden admin is jumping on the Israel bandwagon. They've not shown any real support or care for Israel up until now so there's got to be something coming there. The attacks on the civilians _are_ horrible and groups like Hamas are evil - not the "peaceful" religion that the media keeps trying to push. Add in that we have thousands and thousands of unknowns crossing our border and I fear it's only a matter of time before we have similar incidents here. :(

While glad to see a pivot away from sinking all of our money into Ukraine, I doubt that will stop and we'll just get more money siphoned off to protect other countries and not our own.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

They literally sent a CSG there along with the first plane of ammunition landing in southern israel about 48 hours ago.

Biden needs to shut up and stay away and let the adults, namely Bibi, handle this.

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LMWC's avatar

Except that Bibi knew it was coming, so what does that say about what’s happening?

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

The Egyptians say they told them, Bibi says they didn't know.

Who knows at this point.

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Blair's avatar

I don't see any way possible they didn't know. With their intelligence agencies and superior tech along with the fact they pulled IDF from that part of the Gaza border and didn't even offer air support (allegedly) after the attacks started. There are so many things that just don't add up.

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dagny awoke's avatar

Sukkot is Israel’s version of Thanksgiving. Everything is closed. It wasn’t an accident this date was selected. I worry for America’s Thanksgiving as well

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

It's a much bigger deal then Thanksgiving - no phones, technology. They would have been out of the loop for some time.

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dagny awoke's avatar

šŸ’Æ thank you for clarifying this for everyone

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Cynthia Ford's avatar

Here's Bret Weinstein's talk with Efrat Fenigson, a Tel Aviv journalist and crypto person whom he met at Tess Lawrie's first medical freedom conference in Bath. She was in IDF intelligence. No answers here, but lots of pulling away to a more aerial or complex perspective.

The Israel Attacks: Beyond the Obvious with Efrat Fenigson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_IAH7PnS_E&t=3s

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Blair's avatar

Thank you, Cynthia! I just listened to it. Excellent! I can't say I was surprised by their conversation. It really opened up more questions and confirmed some of the things I already suspected.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Told them what, exactly, though? Something specific and actionable, or a vague warning that 'something' might happen 'sometime soon?'

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes, as someone mentioned in another comment, there are so many warning and alerts that there has to be a decision made at some point which to act on and which to ignore.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

My question also.

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Remi Steele's avatar

About Israel, I'm a bit suspicious as to who knew what and when. Did anyone notice the stock markets rallied (or should I say soared) on Friday afternoon after the bond markets closed? Me thinks someone tipped off Wall Street. It would be interesting to know if any of our members of Congress engaged in any insider trading around that time and what the in- and/or divestments were. If any such insider trading took place, it would lend more credence to the hypothesis that the attack on Israel was a planned inside job. Then we might also find out which members of Congress are the true plotters and evil doers. Follow the money, for the love of money is evil.

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Peace's avatar

Brilliant idea!, Remi Steele! Follow the money. Do legislators have to declare their stock purchases/sales to the public?

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Remi Steele's avatar

They are public records. Here's one article published about the trading last Friday. https://finbold.com/congress-buys-up-war-stocks-ahead-of-hamas-attack-on-israel/

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skeptic bruh's avatar

No more money, supplies, or any form of foreign aid for ANYONE unless they are willing to PAY us for it! War, aid, supplies, support... the govt. is just laundering money under another cause with a new title. They move the goal post, change the name, and collect.

This is infuriating. Our economy / dollar suffers while everyone is standing by with their hand out (with the promise to funnel some back to the right people, I am sure of it).

You need something? Here is the price and, if you cant afford that, here is the price + interest if you want to apply for our freedom payment plan. Otherwise, cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.

How the heck did we get soooo many fiscally retarded people in govt!? From the small town politician right on up!

They retire with millions and nothing is done about it. Your book was crap. That's not where that money came from. Time to investigate.

(Sorry. Rant over. I just paid an arm and a leg for a pathetic amount of groceries if any of you are wondering where this came from...)

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RunningLogic's avatar

ā€œYour book was crapā€

šŸ¤£šŸ˜‚ This made me lol because it is spot on!!!

I am also extremely frustrated by how much money gets spent and printed by our government while all of the problems here fester and grow. We need a Dave Ramsey plan for our country šŸ˜†

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skeptic bruh's avatar

Titled: Poor Politicians & the Great Financial Reset.

Back to the Gold Standard! - Your guide to "Political Financial Peace" by D. Ramsey

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SunnyRai's avatar

šŸ‘

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Flippin’ Jersey's avatar

Can’t wait for the ā€œmilitary aidā€ to Israel to be found to have additional ā€œmilitary aidā€ to Ukraine. Never let crises go to waste!

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Corkey's avatar

In order to steal you need an appropriation. And that’s all that matters. Our leaders are simply pathetic. God help us.

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Jean V's avatar

They are supposed to be our representatives, not our leaders. We, the People, are supposed to be the leaders. Sadly, reality is different.

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Corkey's avatar

They violate their oath of office daily

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Frank Canzolino's avatar

The irony of funding neonazies and Jews in the same funding package isn’t lost on me...

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NAB's avatar

I think some in Congress are already suggesting the aid be tied together, i.e. if Israel wants money, then Ukraine is getting it too. Because, why not? Don't you know our supply is endless?

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Tamsin's avatar

Good point. Probably, Tommy Tuberville needs to end his hold on senior military nominations because it impairs our national security to not pay for women in our military to kill their unborn babies by dismemberment if necessary...

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Loretta's avatar

It's simple. The funding is illegal. Tuberville is just telling the gov to properly change the law, thus no longer breaking the law, and he backs off.

And they haven't bothered. Seems a pretty simple solution to me if you want what you want.

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MayBella82's avatar

The number of abortions will go up once they start funding them. Women will be pressured to get them if they want to promote. And if they do get one, they will be eligible for VA compensation. Just another way to break down the family unit and destroy women.

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Karen's avatar

I find the concern over dead babies in Israel a bit disingenuous when we want to pay our military to kill their own babies.

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Loretta's avatar

It's simple. The funding is illegal. Tuberville is just telling the gov to properly change the law, thus no longer breaking the law, and he backs off.

And they haven't bothered. Seems a pretty simple solution to me if you want what you want.

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SB's avatar

It already has. I heard that on Clay and Buck yesterday, I think. Slipped some Ukraine funding in with Israel funding.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Good. We can help both.

And back in the 70s we did the exact same thing with Israel as we are doing with Ukraine now. Operation Nickle grass. Russia sent even more equipment to the Arab powers and still lost.

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Flippin’ Jersey's avatar

Why do we need to ā€œhelpā€ both? They are sovereign nations with their own militaries, economies, interests. Why is the US continually expected to shovel money, equipment and manpower at conflicts having zero national interest?

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Flippin’ Jersey's avatar

Insufficient reason. What specific security interests do we have in Ukraine? If Russia ā€œwinsā€ this war, how does it impact the US? Specifically. What security interests do we have in Israel? Specifically. I understand and support ensuring Israel’s continued existence, but they are not in danger of being wiped out at the moment. These attacks are horrific, but not an invasion. It appears the Israeli military is handling the response without our help.

It was a general statement.

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Blair's avatar

Politcians and their cronies just can't give up the grift. Plus it is a great distraction. People might take their eyes off all the excess deaths happening in the western world from the vaccine(s).

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Truth 101's avatar

Hey look there goes a UFO too. šŸ˜‰

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Bill Campbell's avatar

Actually the answer to your question is quite simple. Follow. The. Money. It’s been driving our foreign policy for 50 years.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Becuase it's the right thing to do. We have security interests in both nations. Israel has been a valuable ally and Ukraine is a future Israel and Poland. Ukraine went to war for the USA post 9/11 and helped us in Afghanistan and Iraq and had to clean up biden's screw up in Afghanistan.

What manpower are we shoveling, again?

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NAB's avatar

You know the whole "please put your oxygen mask on first and THEN assist your child" instruction given when you fly? Let's apply that to our country. How long can we continue to assist other countries when our own is crumbling? Is there any point at which we can no longer afford to support other countries? I don't ask these questions rhetorically. And I will go on record that the barbarity of the actions taken by Hamas is obvious and should be condemned without equivocation.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

If that was the case nothing would ever get done.

We will never be totally fixed to the point of helping others. Meanwhile, the world burns down.

We can fix multiple problems at once. This is the greatest country on earth, not a crumbling gas station.

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NAB's avatar

That's precisely the point. We actually CAN'T fix multiple problems at once given our CURRENT state. We are no longer the "greatest country" on earth and that is by design of those who have been working for decades to bring us to our knees.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

We can. Allowing the world to burn is going to create an even worse catastrophe.

There are a lot of capable people here who can work on these problems.

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