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So pursue them with Your tempest

And dismay them with Your storm.

Fill their faces with disgrace,

That they may seek Your name, O Yahweh.

Let them be ashamed and dismayed forever,

And let them be humiliated and perish,

That they may know that You alone—Your name is Yahweh—

Are the Most High over all the earth.

— Psalm 83:15-18

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Ultimate goal: for all to seek Him and know Him!

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Yes. Some people need extreme convincing. Especially when they see themselves as a god. Which is a very prevalent notion these days. Pitiful.

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Indeed they do. Tim 3:1-5 “But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.”

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you just defined WOKE-ISM, narcissism, covidian and sinner all in that scripture.

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I remember when I was young reading "disobendient to their parents..." and thinking "That is equal to the other things?" and getting mad that Paul would say "have nothing to do with them". As I got older I started seeing one thing or another on the list that I was doing. I decided the disobedience was a gateway sin and it was actually good advice in my 20ish year old estimation. Today I was talking about my own unforgiving nature. Sheesh. But what gets me now as a 50 plus year old lady is verse 5. It saddens me. The growth of that particular group leading sweet lambs away from Christ.

I know that it is those who allow those things to overtake them, make those sorts of things their main and don't want to turn away from it. At all!

Rereading the list... it is what our country glorifies, deifies, raises up. Lord I pray for Christian revival in our beloved nation. The lead up to the new year is an excellent time to self examine and go boldly to the throne.

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What is in the heart comes out through our voice. God speed on your journey. 💕

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Thank you. I appreciate the encouragement.

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Yes Raptor!! I agree. We will have our whole Country in a Revival when we finally get to the other side of this War!!!

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2 Timothy

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Worse is someone who serves others at great self expense for the purpose of being good enough. Same coin but this side is oblivious to it's true nature which is always selfish. The Beautiful Religious is full of such.

Revelation 3:17-18 "...knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me GOLD TRIED IN THE FIRE, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see."

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Yes! Understanding of wretchedness leads to repentance! 🙌

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That “white coat god complex” is a heavy burden to bear, especially in light of the fact that they are mere mortals. They are to be pitified—that inevitable fall from the pedastal has to be frightening.

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And I pray that we, who have already been there, are not the Prodigal's brother--but that we simply rejoice in the comfort of our longer relationship. Without making any comparison.

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Dec 28, 2023·edited Dec 28, 2023

Yes! “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.” Proverbs 9:10

But HEAR THIS: it is not the SPIKE that’s the problem, it’s the mRNA type of immunization which is gene therapy/transfection. Don’t let anyone “blame the butter for what the bread did!” If we allow blame to be placed only on spike (they’re already trying) they’ll continue to eliminate regular vaccines in favor of mRNA transfection. NO MORE mRNA!

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Gods been challenging me for much of my life to call him by name, which I have stubbornly refused to do. No matter the soul crushing experiences He's tossed in my path, I insisted on words like "higher power" instead of "God", and "spiritual" instead of "Christian", wanting, for some stubborn reason, to set myself apart from identifying with Christians.

I've lived my live by Christian values, morals and principals, but refused to give the credit to Christ.

On Christmas Eve, I took the 40 mile winter drive to my elderly parents house, and played my favorite Christmas song "O Holy Night" over and over, sung by various artists. The words suddenly jumped out at me and rang with a meaning I hadn't understood before..........

"O holy night, the stars are brightly shining,

It is the night of our dear Saviors birth.

Long lay the world in sin and error pining,

'Til he appeared and the soul felt its worth,

A thrill of hope the weary world rejoices,

For yonder breaks a new and glorious morn,

Fall on your knees, O hear the Angel voices,

O night divine, O night when Christ was born"

"Til he appeared, and the soul felt its worth" and "A thrill of hope the weary world rejoices" struck me like a lightning bolt. The undeniable revelation of my divine nature suddenly became crystal clear, and a swell of emotion overcame me and tears rolled down my face.

I am not a body with some ambiguous spirit-like consciousness, and God is so much more than a "higher consciousness". I am a soul created by God, having a human experience in a physical body. Christ is the son of God sent to awaken us to our divine nature. Whatever caused my resistance to this simple truth, dissolved on Christmas Eve.

My Dad read the Christmas story from Luke before we ate dinner, which he has always done. I printed it out in large print to make it easier for him to read. For the first time, I truly understood the meaning of Christmas.

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Ode to Immortality:

Our birth is but a sleep and a forgetting:

The Soul that rises with us, our life's Star,

Hath had elsewhere its setting,

And cometh from afar:

Not in entire forgetfulness,

And not in utter nakedness,

But trailing clouds of glory do we come

From God, who is our home:

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This brought me to tears, thank you for sharing this. How wonderful and beautiful these words sound.

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John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Eternal life starts when you know God and Jesus, whom He has sent. It doesn’t start when we die physically, it starts when we die spiritually to ourselves and surrender to God!!!

That understanding and knowledge of who God is will drive us a better understanding of who God is and who we are, and sinners facing a holy God is scary!

Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

Which leads me to one of my favorite passages in scripture,

Ephesians 2:1-10

2 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

In the middle of the above is my favorite BUT GOD…we were dead in our sins, but God in His mercy loved us and saved us!!!

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all of you!!!

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Praise God for reaching out to you in song and showing you himself and your worth to him!!!!

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This is my favorite Christmas song and always moves me to tears. But this was the first year I ever learned all the words when we sang it at church and the words were up on the screen. I had the same reaction to “til he appeared and the soul felt its worth”. So beautiful and accurate!

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I thank God that the words of this Song have always made me tear up!! It's truly my favorite. When I sang Soprano, I could sing this all year around. The words are a daily devotion for me. God is so amazing to us!! Look how long it takes some to truly know God, but He was there watching over all of us the whole time. That personal relationship is all I have ever needed!! No man ever loved me enough to keep his hands to himself, But God knew I would seek Him after a terrible addiction to hide my pain. I didn't need to hide it, God knew and was waiting for me with open arms. Now, every chance I have to crush the enemy and Glorify God is part of every hour of every day. It wasn't easy accepting that I would be alone the past 6 years. Being disabled, no friends local, and lost all of those over President Trump and then the Jab. But my Conscientious has risen, my Vibrations are high, the excitement level is off the charts, my praise and worship lasts all day. That's how I have stayed. Close to Nature, not close to humans. Sad but true. God Bless you

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Thanks for sharing your story, your vulnerability is courageous. There is so much peace and comfort knowing I am Gods beloved child, and have been SO loved since long before this earthly place. I was a tough nut to crack, but God never gave up on me, and I feel so much gratitude for this. I wanted to believe in him for so long, but seemed never to reach the point of genuine belief. I feel like I have received a gift beyond my understanding . God Bless you, too <3

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Thank you for sharing your testimony. I believe each time we share our experience of finding our true worth through our most loving Creator, it reminds us of our own worthiness and bring us, all his children closer together and with Him. Our family is HUGE and being a part of this vast family with our Lord and Savior at the head of our table fulfills our souls more than any earthly thing ever could. Your testimony brought tears of joy to my eyes and heart. May God richly bless you and your family all the days forevermore. Happy New Year

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Wow!! I was crying like a baby reading this!! Hallelujah Rachel!!! That is a Christmas Miracle. I love this so much! Thank you and God Bless you!!

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I love this testimony. Thank you for sharing.

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A prayer every congregation ought to give voice to every Sunday.

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Phil, I started "The Days of Vengeance" last night. I am only on p 27 of the bk (preface) and enjoying it. They know Dallas Seminary is gonna resist having their students challenging them with questions. Loved that argument. It is true and also amused me. Looking forward to discovering whatever objectionable, non pessimistic viewpoint Chilton will be presenting!

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For anyone curious............

https://www.garynorth.com/freebooks/docs/pdf/days_of_vengeance.pdf

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Thank you for the link. I am interested.

Just reading the first few pages, I came across #3 in the preface.

Does this mean he presents Revelation as having already occurred? I don't know the proper term for that position.

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Yes-- the author approaches Revelation from a preterist position-- which posits that most of the book and the events Jesus teaches in the Olivet discourse (Matt 24), occurred in the first century with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.

Best to clarify that David Chilton, though a Biblical scholar, writes what is considered an unorthodox approach...you might also Google "Dominion Theology," just so you know what the author believes.

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What is often missed in these prophecies is that Christ often switched back and forth between the end of the age of His own time on earth and the final end of time. The Olivet discourse is a good example where in Matthew 24 He moves from the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD to His return from v29 on and again in Ch 25 from v 31 where He describes the final judgement at the end of time.

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Historically speaking, compared to 2000 years of church history, dispensationalism is unorthodox. Here is my response to the comments....

https://open.substack.com/pub/coffeeandcovid/p/little-packages-wednesday-december?r=u78oh&utm_campaign=comment-list-share-cta&utm_medium=web&comments=true&commentId=46133610

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Yes they believe the events in Revelation has occurred, it’s Dominion theology,I discovered a friend who is a Catholic who wanted to study Revelation with me quit when I challenged his beliefs using Biblical texts, for which he had no answer. It’s then that I realized he had been taught Dominion theology.

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Huh. Some here are often lamenting we cannot find a prayer to God for our enemies. This might be the ticket. Someone will be praying for Anthony Fauci today.

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Interesting. Since I started telling people a few years ago that I would pray for my enemy. I would pray that their sins would find them out, that they would be caught for their crimes and prosecuted for those crimes. In hopes it would lead them to Christ.

The amount of Christians who were shocked that I would pray that or dare to say that out loud, is how we can pray for our enemies was unbelievable. Why do so many of us have a hard time praying for judgement upon bad or criminal behavior? We want God’s grace and merciful side. We don’t want to entertain the idea that, that is not always what is needed to slap us upside our heads and wake us up to reality. The fear in peoples voices that I would dare pray a prayer like that is as unfathomable. Read your Bibles people… even the parts you don’t like. 🤦🏼‍♀️

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I agree. I sometimes struggle with my sinful side wherein I do not want to see them saved. I want eternal retribution. So when I get to praying for them, I first have to talk to the Lord about myself. It is an ongoing struggle mostly because I don't want to let that sin go.

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Raptor, I myself believe that "Vengeance is mine" indicates that vengeance is far too dangerous for ignorant humans to mess about with. We can see so little of the 'big picture'. And He does 'promise' to repay.

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When praying for my “enemies” I always pray that they will experience a change of heart, a change that will open their eyes, bring repentance, and seek the Lord. From there it’s in God’s hands.

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I agree. Sometimes it takes criminals the punishment their crimes deserve too. Prosecution wakes people up. Some anyway.

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Oh Debbie, that is my prayer too.

If they find the Lord and bring Him into their hearts I think they will be on fire to do good instead of evil, and perhaps influence their former partners in evildoing… like widening ripples in a pond when a stone is thrown in, I pray for multiplication of salvation for the sheep that are lost.

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I praise God that He fully exposed my eternally depraved disposition! I thought I was pretty good, even "saved" but "He found me out"! I must confess that "I am the worst of all sinners". He is Holy and Lord!

No one is saved who believes he is a good lord.

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Yes. He found us all out. While we were still sinners Christ died for us. Many scriptures reminding us that we are sinners. It’s impossible to ignore if we are being honest people. I do think there’s a difference between a sin that hurts only myself (or those around me - annd The Lord Himself) and a sin that hurts others. The sins I struggle with and commit do not involve crimes either. Unless speeding counts (which it does). I was talking about the crimes the politicians have committed against the people, and the crimes against humanity and egregious actions and behaviors that are unconscionable. I don’t consider someone who offends me or does me wrong on a “normal” basis my enemy. I do consider those who are in high places doing what they are doing against children and the masses - my enemy. I guess when it is intentional - that makes them my enemy. Those are hard to pray for their salvation as Raptor has said too. I agree. It’s easier to pray for their prosecution that it is for them to find Jesus in the midst of all their sin/crimes. But ultimately that’s what the end game really is about.

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I feel the greatest sin in this world is the one against the unborn. Thousands die daily and little is said. They are the most vulnerable and we look the other way. I personally think this is where the battle should be won...if we can’t protect them, how can we protect anyone else?

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Agreed. Totally. God has brought forth my sin of not wanting some people saved during these last few years. Neon lighted my pet sin in fact. Among other sinful things he reveals in me. I praise Him as well. I always tell him I trust His plan, but then I go and question the tactics. Not very trustish.

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Hugs you Sister!

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Need it. Even virtual ones.

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I say, whatever it takes to bring each human to the Lord, bring it on. I do my best to serve Him in reaching those who struggle in the ways I did.

The God of the Holy Bible is both merciful and just. He gives grace and says vengeance is His. How we each find Him and develop a personal relationship is unique. He knows what we need and He is waiting for all His children to come to Him.

Many people take the attributes of God they want and leave the rest. Many want only to see grace... God kept the OT AND NT in the Bible for a reason.

If they’re uncomfortable with who He is, maybe they should talk to Him about that and read His word. It takes some longer than others to grasp this. That’s okay. 🙏

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I have been asking, for those who abuse the power/authority given them BY HIM, that His justice be done. (And their eyes and hearts be opened to their deeds) It's all in His hands anyway.

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I used to have a friend (she passed away) that prayed for Obama.

Her prayer?

“Smite him, Lord! Smite him!”

And King David prayed that God would smite his enemies.

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Last year I felt like the Lord was asking me to pray for Hunter Biden, and He put such a heavy burden on my heart for him. I really didn't want to pray for him, and I asked why since he is such an evil man. But it seemed God was saying, "That's why I want you to pray. He needs someone to pray for him." So, I pray for him frequently that God would open his eyes to his need for God, repent, and be saved. Maybe I should perhaps pray what you do.

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I think you should pray exactly how God leads you to pray for him. Don’t change because of what I said. Don’t change unless God leads you differently. I think it’s awesome that God spoke to you to pray for him. Keep doing that!!! Good job!

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So true. I have said many times God is not just a God of grace and mercy and love he is a God of justice and wrath as well. Read the OT people!!!!!

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Justice comes in many forms. Why we say that Justice should be 'blind' I think, is to remove it from our biases. What I think a punishment is, another would not think is punishment. How can I a mere human be a judge of what God would consider a punishment? I do not pray for my enemies, I pray for the failure of their goals and desires, that their works be brought to ruin, and I pray for myself to remain free from the entanglements others have with them. That I may see through the deceits, avoid the snares and traps, and stay uncorrupted by the mammon of our times.

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Oona pilot - This ⬆️!!!! Yes!

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If we are all one--then praying for your enemy, who is probably a hurting soul, makes perfect sense. I believe that hurt is what leads people to lash out. Maybe an open heart can heal another’s hurting.

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You prayed an Imprecatory Prayer. They’re tricky but here’s a good explanation: https://www.ligonier.org/learn/qas/how-should-christians-respond-to-imprecatory-psalms.

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I’m not sure if praying for people to repent and receive Jesus qualifies as imprecatory. It seems to be the most loving thing one can do. But, I did like the explanation in the link. It definitely clarifies. Thank you!

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David prayed for curses on his enemies. Psalm 109.

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Sneaking in a little Commentary time and you will some Flammage & Lightning, too!! 🔥🔥🔥⚡️⚡️⚡️🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼👿👿👿

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I have thrown up a few prayers for the Human Cockroach - imagine the headlines (all swept under a rug) of his conversion, and in that conversion a confession and repentance of all his lies and evil deeds of the past 40 years...

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During an interview the Human Cockroach said he was a Catholic, his wife was a Catholic. Was. Now he is beyond the the need for something to keep him in line and that he is doing pretty good on his own as a superific good person. No need for worshiping of a deity when he can just look in the mirror.

The interviewer completely agreed with her bobblenod.

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His journey took him from Trust God to Trust The Science - which is him. Not hard to see why he worships himself now.

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Gotta run, but couldn’t resist leaving a few flames 🔥 🔥🔥 and lightning bolts ⚡️⚡️⚡️ in agreement, Janice!!! Thank you for the perfect find for your scripture snip today!! 😇🕊️😇

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Ditto⚡️⚡️

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In the context of current events & attitudes, the rest of Psalm 83 is also riveting, with its mention of who the enemies are:

Psalm 83 (the ESV)

1 O God, do not keep silence;

do not hold your peace or be still, O God!

2 For behold, your enemies make an uproar;

those who hate you have raised their heads.

3 They lay crafty plans against your people;

they consult together against your treasured ones.

4 They say, “Come, let us wipe them out as a nation;

let the name of Israel be remembered no more!”

5 For they conspire with one accord;

against you they make a covenant—

6 the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites,

Moab and the Hagrites,

7 Gebal and Ammon and Amalek,

Philistia with the inhabitants of Tyre;

8 Asshur also has joined them;

they are the strong arm of the children of Lot. Selah

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Thank you Janice. I was raised atheist, but I seek Him every day. I also seek out your inspiring posts each morning!

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Wow that makes me so happy for you!

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Thankful for your conversion! Praise God!

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Vast, irreparable damage has been done. And very few are still jabbing.

During the past four years, the Covidmanic never wanted to discuss any of this.

What's the point of discussion now?

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Years ago I learned about “imprecatory prayer.” We cry out to God to deal with evil.

“An imprecation is a curse that invokes misfortune upon someone. Imprecatory psalms are those in which the author imprecates; that is, he calls down calamity, destruction, and God’s anger and judgment on his enemies. This type of psalm is found throughout the book. The major imprecatory psalms are Psalms 5, 10, 17, 35, 58, 59, 69, 70, 79, 83, 109, 129, 137, and 140.”

*Definition quoted from “Got Questions.org

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Amen and amen.

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"And Baalam's ass spoke"

Take your religious nut-roll crap elsewhere, loser.

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You’re doubting that asses speak? Interesting.

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Great points on baby steps for persuasion. Those whose worldview are beginning to crumble can't be pushed off the edge or they will be paralyzed.

What needs to be considered is that this isn't something (ie taking a Red Pill) that people will come to easily.

I'm sure many of us have already been through this (my journey began in 2009 after, as a career finance professional with an MBA, I was completely wiped out).

It is a long process that can take months or years (similar to being deprogrammed from a cult), and it is not a straight line. Lots of ups, downs, and gnashing of teeth.

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I'm terrible at convincing anyone of anything, mainly because my mind goes "How could you believe that, you big dummy?" which immediately flies out of my mouth! (Okay, I may have exaggerated a little, but only a very little - my mouth only has a little filter; my face has none.)

But these are really good points for someone who can slow down their brain (and face) long enough to think of ways to "agree and extend." Makes me want to practice and see if I can learn a different story about myself.

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😅 I couldn't help thinking of my facial expressions which would give me away!

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And tone of voice at least for me.

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I am so guilty of having a disgruntled look on my face and a roar in my voice. :( I cannot hide what I am thinking. No poker face here.

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Yeah I have a hard time hiding that too 😛

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I temember a beer commercial from 1980’s that Lite Beer “Tastes Great” and others argued “Less Filling”. So they should have used persuasive technique of agree and extend?

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Air of disdain for me. LOL

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Yes, I like to think that I can hide my reactions fairly well. Hahaha! Apparently, this is not so, even when I think my expression is blank, I emanate disdain. LOL

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It takes effort to "journey" with someone along their path and hold the space for them to make a transformation in their thought patterns. This is, in fact, the bulk of my naturopathic work with clients. A wise mentor once told me that the best medicine one can offer is to be witness to a transformation.

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As someone on the receiving end of such a witnessing, I can attest absolutely to the power of that kind of witnessing. My current functional med chiropractor has said twice that his sense is that his job is to support my body while I do the work of healing in my present journey. Which is very much a journey of mind and spirit (as in, spiritual, relationship with God).

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I love this, GG. Honest reflection goes a long way and I believe we each have the ability to change how we respond to people. It takes being intentional, especially in our private thought life.

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I think the things we think in our private thought life may be more powerful than the things we say and do. That is, I think our thought life propels every other aspect of our lives. If we can change the way we think, we can change our behavior.

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GG, I'm the last one to say I do better than you; I can think of advice such as what follows, but I'm not great at short-circuiting my temper and judgmentalism to put it into consistent practice. That said, I try to think of them as I do of my former self, on various issues - misled, in an honest way. So I want to be like Jesus, to soften my heart toward them, and so also my face and voice and words: "But when He saw the multitudes, He was moved with compassion for them, because they were weary and scattered, like sheep having no shepherd." Matthew 9:36

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My prayer is that God would help me see people the way He sees them. I tend to be not very loving when my temper short-circuits! It definitely takes a lot of work.

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yes it is about COMPASSION IN ACTION and learning to do better... having a big heart for the deluded, and endless patience.. yikes!

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Love your humility in recognizing your shortcomings, GG :)

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I am reminded that the Bible says in James 1:19-20 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God.

Responding in anger typically does not accomplish anything good and is generally not helpful in any situation. I'm preaching to myself here and I need to hear this each and every day.

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Totally happened to me over Christmas. I had a (jabbed) family member who had been catching every bug in town the past year tell me he was so tired of being sick, he asked his doc to give him everything he had. He got jabbed for covid (again), flu, RSV, shingles. I immediately went into “omgosh!” mode, begging him to stop! 💆🏼‍♀️

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I would find it very hard to refrain from saying something!

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My hubby and I attended a family gathering on Dec 23rd. These were cousins all 8 to 75 yrs old. Monday a group text came notifying us that one attendee had just tested positive for the flu. I texted him the recipe for the Flu Bomb from one of Barbara O'Neill's lecture.

He texted back that he "tested positive for Covid Dec 3rd, got a prescription for paxlovid, got over Covid but developed a nasty cough that hasn't gone away..." I immediately knew he's still gulping the narrative juice 🙄🙄🙄. He reminded me that I too, had covid. I agreed, that it was December 25th, 2021, that my husband also had covid and we took Ivermectin and HCQ and were well in 48 hours... And filled him in that I no longer had my lifelong cough and 40+

yrs of asthma. No response.... nothing. He refuses to believe that therapeutics work. Took that stance immediately after Zelinski spoke about them in 2020. He went so far as to claim "all perceived success with therapeutics is ancedotal." Can't tell him anything.

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Well, my retort would be, "My anecdotal evidence worked for me. What have you got to lose?"

And it would be a retort, because I would be frustrated!

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My physician hubby told me to tell him to search what countries around the world did to effectively treat covid... such as Uttar Pradesh in India or Africa where there were no cases because people were treated with IV or HCQ for other reasons.... but he has closed up his mind so tightly he would have a stroke before believing therapeutics work.

And yes, we did tell him that it worked for us... His retort... "you just didn't get a bad case..."

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I got an update! He finally responded to my query. He said there is no proof that Ivermectin works... I sent him the study mentioned in the comments showing IV was 97% effective... he snapped back that it was "from a far right, white supremacy/Q site!" I told him there were 170+ published papers showing that IV and HCQ worked...he restated his stance, "there were no RCTs indicating it worked." But, people were dying! Therapeutics were used successfully around the world! He is so deeply seated there is no reason to continuing to converse.

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You really can not do more then that.

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I hear ya! On Christmas Eve a couple who arrived early to Mass asked me if people wore masks at this parish. I really hope I kept a straight face when I replied, I’ve seen a few. The wife said she had hers with her, just in case. Then a discussion on the newest variant ensued along with being worried about people not getting a booster. By then, they could probably only see the whites of my eyes because I could see the inside of my skull. I had to excuse myself.

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🤣🤣

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Agree 💯. I am worn out. My empathy/sympathy rapport well is almost dry. I am surrounded by the most devout covidians. 😒🤯

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Im so sorry! I only have to deal wiht this in my immediate family, by email, but Im still burning from an encounter early this morning! of course it's bringing up childhood issues of not being heard, feeling valued etc. so much to open up here.

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It has been hard. The reactions and interactions from people, friends and family. It is like I never really knew them. My mind has been blown away 🤯

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I think all our minds have been blown in so many ways... I used to think that we had an honest government.

I used to think the medical profession was about saving lives.

I used to think there were people in the media who actually cared about journalism and telling us the truth..

I could go on, but you catch my drift..

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They are lucky to have you so near.

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Haha 😄 I am sure they don't think so.

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Jeff is offering, in modern American English, what every Roman lawyer did as a matter of form. You might like to look into the structure of Cicero's case speeches.

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"Dead white guys" - what did *they* know?! lol. Cry for our highjacked 'education' system (and it shouldn't be a 'system').

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My face is also a dead giveaway. It comes in handy a lot tbh but every now and then when I’d prefer someone NOT know I think they’re an idiot it’s annoying. 🤣

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"Poker face? What is poker face?" 🤣

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"Poker face" describes a poker player, when he looks at his (hidden to other players) hand of cards, does not betray, via facial expressions, how good (or bad) his hand is.

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I made a post on Christmas about how (some of us) hide our facial expression to not reveal our inner sadness:

https://nedb.substack.com/p/depressions-masquerade

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lol. So with you GG. I have to remind myself that we all have our own gifts and mine is NOT the same as Jeff’s. All I hear is bbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

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Me too! Hear something really brain dead. Next the cannon goes BOOM! Out comes, "You dummy utter fool!" (Only I don't say it out loud. But for sure, I hear it real loud in my head!)

You aren't the only one!

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I often put my mouth before my brain as well, especially with my sister (who I apparently think should KNOW BETTER, lol!). It doesn’t seem to matter even if I pre plan and remind myself to count to 10 first.

Worst case, we devolve into a screaming match, I stomp out of the room, then return to talk about something unrelated and all is fine.

Love her or hate her, she’s my family 😊

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Writing that you are open to that, means you can try it. And I have to say you sound like you could succeed if you really want. 😀

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Im so working on this myself! the no filter is a problem and I think meditation might be the solution. because sounding like a nut is having limited results, Im finding.

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Jeff said , " “agree and extend.” It is a good tactic even outside the pandemic context. It’s especially useful for moving people toward your position by degrees. It works when nothing significant is lost by conceding the other person’s initial, erroneous position"

Yet in the case sited, Covid itself is a very large long term problem, and so one is conceeding the truth, a good idea. My wife got Covid about 17 months ago. She was never vaccinated, she lost her hearing in 12 hours, still has tennitus, still has rashes, and her pre covid immune symptoms are worse, all of them. I think if she had taken a series of vaccine shots, she would be dead. The spike, in the virus or in the vaccine, is a harmful pathogen. And to an immune compromised person, they are particularly vulnerable to harm from either.

There is immense evidence of the Covid harms. Yet the vaccine harms are worse for may reasons. There is massive evidence of Covid and vaccine harms, and many studies support both. Also excess mortality continues, as well as great excess disability. Look, we can go after the vaccine folk, and the Covid developers as well. neither deserve a break.

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As someone who has argued about the dangers of vaccines for over 30 years, knowing beyond a shadow of a doubt that they caused the death of my child, Jeff's advice is certainly something to meditate on, rather than reject out of hand.

In 30+ years, I don't think I've ever convinced anyone not to vaccinate their child. Maybe if I had tried some of these techniques, I would have been more successful. It's hard because you know these people are in peril and they don't listen. But shouting louder doesn't convince them. It's time to try a new tactic.

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GG - don’t be so sure you haven’t convinced anyone on the dangers of vaccines. Changing one’s mind (our own as well as others’) happens incrementally. You have no doubt planted many seeds, whether you know it or not. Keep speaking your truth and my deepest apologies for the loss of your child.

P.S. the unexpected gift of COVID has been to question EVERYTHING. I have learned so much and now feel excited about how much more there is to learn (and re-learn!) every day. I took every single injection that was ever offered to me until 2020. Never again!

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Never again! 👍

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A friend of mine 18 years ago gave me a book about childhood vaccination written by a board certified pediatrician that was one of her relatives. It was still pro vaccine, but recommended a much slower and more conservative schedule. We skipped the hepatitis at birth and we split MMR into separate doses even though we had to find a different clinic that was even willing to do it that way. Our son had no injuries.

The way I was treated back then even though I was working with information from a published book by an experienced MD woke me up to the fact that doctors don’t like it when you do your own research, don’t think that you have the ability to understand anything yourself, and are probably a nut if you ask hard questions.

My son and I didn’t take any covid vaccines because I have been skeptical of all new medicine that hasn’t been on the market at least 5 years consistently and this went along with my previous behavior.

An acquaintance right when my son was born tried to tell me that I should not vaccinate at all. I unfortunately thought she was crazy and I was not far enough along in my knowledge and experience to accept her information.

I am sorry that no one has accepted what you have to say and I’m very sorry for your loss, and I appreciate you for trying to tell people. Sometimes we do slowly come around though.

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It has been a major aggravation in my life to warn people and have them blow me off - I'm a modern Cassandra!

But Covid really opened my eyes to how people operate. I watch them discard all the evidence their eyes take in and stick to what they believe and it doesn't make me angry anymore; it makes me feel compassion (and a little bit of despair). I feel compassion because their minds are not right. And their minds are not right because people who are supposed to care about our welfare actually hate us and want us dead. Those who don't understand that can't begin to take in what has been done to them. Being righteous, although I would say we're entitled to be, doesn't seem to have the desired effect of bringing people around to the truth.

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Many years ago, before I had children, a young family friend (he is a physician) spoke about the dangers of childhood shots, warned about seed oils, chemtrails, etc. We all (including 2 other young physicians in the family) thought he was nuts. I wish I had done more research back then-and had considered what he said-but it took many years later and a pandemic to really open my eyes. We moved to a different state this summer and we got school vax exemptions for our kids, no longer getting flu shots, not taking unnecessary meds, and are making positive changes to our diet. Glad to be more informed now but I wish I had investigated more long ago. I do find it extremely difficult to make people aware of what’s going on. Two extended family members got the flu recently after getting the flu shot. Their dad, a doctor, said they got the flu because they got the shot too late in the season. 🤷‍♀️

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surrounded by a family of docs and scientists in FULL DENIAL, still think Im deranged. oh well. Im happy to come across these techniques, maybe next year will come in handy.. if they are still around to reach across the great divide. they are Hopkins adjacent, fully brainwashed.

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Even though I’m aware of cloud seeding and the like, still don’t fully acknowledge chemtrails. If they’re dangerous, they’d affect TPTB too, right? Anyone?

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I think they probably have either great air purifiers, advance warning, or some combo

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Doctors receive huge incentives for vaccinating. That’s why pediatricians will fire patients if they don’t go along with the “approved” vaccinations which are now up to about 72. It’s crazy! My kids got about 5 and they were healthier than the kids today.

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exactly

that interview Jeff shared about a week ago from a pediatrician.... he's giving up over $1.5 MILLION dollars a year for letting his patients choose vax or not and giving them fully informed consent.

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I am so sorry about your child. I also started questioning vaccines and became a hard nose antivaxxer in 2006 before my last child was born. It was kind of a trippy decision to not vaccinate him. My new father in law (elderly) dropped some hints to me before I even got pregnant (not sure what he had been reading) and my husband was supportive. Fast forward 17 years and the boy is living proof (my baby is 6'2" now): you don't need vaccines to raise a healthy child. Over the years I know I influenced two young women to also not vaccinate. That feels pretty good.

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“But shouting louder doesn’t convince them.” Wow, that hits close to home. Thanks, GG, for voicing that. Like the Neanderthal I am, I’ve been oblivious to that which you state so clearly and obviously.

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I don't think it is obvious though! If it was, no one would do it.

Don't be hard on yourself. Just pick yourself up and go a different route going forward.

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Well, I'm nothing if not a work in progress!

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join the crowd!

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Me too! 😁

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GG, I am so very sorry to hear of the loss of your. My heart goes to you.

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It’s easier to be hard on yourself, sounds like we are very similar. Be happy with the gifts you do have!!!!

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I too have had lingering health issues after a bad case of Covid in 2020. I went from pre diabetic to diabetic on medication now. I took the J and J vaccine about a year later and ended up with tinnitus and a flare up of mild auto immune issues and now stage I breast cancer. All that to say that I have concluded the spike protein is the main problem and I use this when discussing the harmful effects of the vaccines. My brother and mother who had multiple does of the MRNA vaccines both now have cancer.

As an RN I freely discuss with my patients about the potential harmful effects of the virus and the vaccines if the opportunity presents to discuss vaccines. By acknowledging the virus can do long term damage along with the vaccine itself, people are more apt to not argue but perhaps reconsider their support of the COVID vaccine.

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I'm so sorry, Sbirdy....for you and your family. So many injured by both the virus and the shots. Prayers for God to guide you and give you wisdom as you journey through this.

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Thank you I am really very healthy now and managing these diseases well.

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When it’s pretty sound the vaccines don’t prevent Covid or reduce the possibility of hospitalization but can cause, harm what possible rationale is there for getting them? Especially non vaxxed who are pretty healthy have a 98% chance of survival without adding crap into their body which may harm them.

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Donna B - I think overall the chance of survival is closer to 99.98% chance of survival.

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Yeah I believe you’re right.

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unvaxxed, healthy, had it 3x, 2x from working with previously vaxxed clients, plus chemtrails, I believe.

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I’m so sorry to hear that. I pray for your healing and for peace. I also have an RN friend who resisted the shot but ultimately gave in and now has breast cancer.

I’ve wondered why someone would think the natural virus causes harm without the shot (made of the virus) causing harm.

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I mean some natural viruses DO cause lots of harm (Covid not being a major one for the majority of people) which was the original point of vaccines. That story about cowpox/small pox from 1798 makes tons of sense.

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I got an early breast cancer diagnosis too about a year after my bout with the alpha variant. I had had precancerous issues for about 5 yrs prior. But I can’t help but wonder if that virus was the tipping point.

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Thank you for what you shared. Also glad to hear that you are able to manage what you are dealing with…I do have a question…do you have any recommendations on how to handle tinnitus? Thank you

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. Tinnitus can be an early sign of hearing loss so I went to see an ENT who tested my hearing which was pretty normal. He said to add background white noise if I have trouble sleeping. He didn’t have any cures really. I do miss complete silence but I can live with this.

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I haven't to my knowledge had covid and haven't had any vaccines or flu shots either. In the last couple of years at least (maybe a bit longer) I've developed what I suppose is tinnitus for no reason I know of. It sounds like background static on a radio. I considered seeing an ENT but it sounds like it's a useless thing to do. I have to have white noise at night or I can't sleep.

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Thank you for your kind response….my adult son got tinnitus late 2019… he did not have the vax or cv….still no vax, but had cv once…he has researched everything…and he too has developed coping skills to manage it. Again thank you and have a blessed New Year’s 🙏🏻

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Maybe Tinniwell system. Not available in US yet. It is supposed to reduce symptoms. https://resaphene.ch/en/

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I am pretty sure I just read a thread on X today that talked about being diagnosed with diabetes and the upshot was that if you switch over to a carnivore diet, it will make that diabetes go away. Something about when we eat carbs, our liver can't process them all and they store them off in other places in the body. Getting rid of those fat stores by abstaining from anything that isn't meat somehow makes your body function properly. I don't know if it's true; I read lots of things and think "I'm going to remember this because it may come in handy." Maybe check it out.

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Just lost a 50 year old friend last night —No shots, pulled over to the side of the road and died... I’m just saying he would be in the ‘medical emergency’ category…

Lost an Aunt , who homeschooled 8 kids , never vaccinated them or herself, ate healthy before healthy was cool.

Mom , double blot clots in both lungs two months after Covid infection.

I could go on and on , I am in a mostly unvaxxed community. So many ugly Covid stories

Very EASY to acknowledge common ground .

I 💯 agree Covid itself was a wicked product of man’s pride.

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Sorry for your loss nt. My son's Christian high school principal (a truly great man) recently died of a massive heart attack out of the blue. Mid-forties and 100% unvaxxed. He personally fought the county Health Dept when they were trying to enforce teacher vax mandates. Probably genetics rather than from covid after effects, but who knows.

The vax is an awful thing, as was covid itself. Sometimes people just die though, and not everything has to be a political shouting match. But clearly those responsible for creating covid, and those who created vax in response, are wicked and deserve punishment. Having each side blaming the other only serves those who did this collective evil.

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The last sentence;

"But clearly those responsible for creating covid, and those who created vax in response, are wicked and deserve punishment. Having each side blaming the other only serves those who did this collective evil."

Is the ! point I was hoping for. Thanks for all you do.

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I’m so sorry 😞 So heartbreaking 💔

I couldn’t agree more , accountability for both: the creators of the wickedness and those who provided the ‘solution’ !

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Jeff needs to pay attention to this. Some are dying without shots. What is causing this.

They have said expoaure to the vaccinated soon after shot can shed!

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Totally agree. Sounds like shedding to me. One maybe just a normal death, but with that many there tends to be something causing it bb

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doesnt everyone know about shedding yet?

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But few are talking about shedding as possibly causing the problems killing people. if you haven’t had COVID etc…. ???

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When I hear stories like yours I think that they might be spraying us with something.

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Well I do live about 20 miles from the Reedley Ca Bio Lab 🤯

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Haha I left Visalia two years ago,,,in Mississippi now

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You escaped !! 😂

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that too, for sure. I hear they are dropping it in the food, reservoirs, and of course from the air.

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Do you think there was an issue of shedding in some of these sad deaths in unvaxed people ?

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So sorry for your losses! I have to respectfully disagree with those who refer to C as a cold. It is for some, but can also be dangerous. Damn GofF research!

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I love everyone here…but I agree, if you are still referring to Covid as a common cold, you are just as tone deaf as those driving solo with a mask on .

Listen to other unvaxxed experiences with Covid …it *can* be absolutely wicked to some individuals!!

Gain of Function 💯

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Yes, it can be. A GOF virus that attacks the immune system, one of the least understood aspects of human health, can be cause to many dozens of diseases, and never be categorised as responsabile, or anything else outside of the directly manifesting illness. Due to the lack of federal research on all the Covid and VAERS harms, we mostly have a simple increase above expected in several dozen forms of illness. It would be a very simple and doable federal study to take the top 12 VARES harms, create appropriate demographics, and compare the result to four categories; Vaccinated and had Covid, Vaccinated and never had Covid, non vaccinated and had Covid, non vaccinated and never had Covid. (It is likely that anyone that never had Covid, never will.) This study and a dozen more should have beeen done many times, long ago. The control, the unvaccinated, is still there.

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Isn’t that so true ! Every body reacts so differently.

I’ve said this to my husband many times, wouldn’t it be nice if they actually tried to discover what the GoF truly was?? Maybe we could better treat those who were injured. Track & treat.

After having Covid and what it did to me , I can’t even imagine what pumping yourself full of spike would do…

I feel exactly as you mentioned about your wife, I would be dead had I taken the vax.

I’m glad you still have her, I pray she finds relief soon ! 🙏🙏🙏

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I’m curious if your wife followed any “off-script” protocols. When my college aged kids got Covid we gave them nutraceuticals and ivermectin. One seemed fine , the other lost her sense of smell and it has not returned to normal 2 years later. They were never vaccinated but are around vaccinated people all of the time. So many variables, too bad we don’t have a well-funded agency that could do the research!

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Mo - I, too, lost my taste and smell after getting COVID in Nov. 2020. Two and a half years later I only had about 50% return of both. A friend of mine read about Nicorette. I started chewing the 2mg for 10 minutes twice a day and within a week my taste and smell were restored. Get the store brand nicorette as the main label brand is much more expensive. I know it sounds crazy as I have never smoked, but it worked.

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This may be a broad statement, but smokers didn’t get covid. I believe I read that in an article discussing why the homeless population didn’t get covid. Tobacco kills the spike I guess. They are also living outdoors, breathing fresh air, while smoking 🚬 Who would expect that? They seem the most unhealthy among us.

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My friend, in very recent sobriety (4 years now, but wicked binges before that), who has COPD, and who uses inhalers and a COPD drug, and who vapes peppermint with a low dose of nicotine, has gone everywhere during the pandemic, and never gotten covid. Midwestern Doctor discussed this awhile back, a relative with COPD getting mild covid while their healthy spouse got serious covid. It is thought, as far as I've read, that nicotine binds to the receptors covid tries to bind to. Nicotine is up there with hard drugs in terms of addictiveness so not something to take up lightly. There is an herb in Africa, Iboga, which became the pharmaceutical ibogaine, that clears all physical addictions from the brain in four days. Naturally, big Tobacco and Big Pharma teamed up to ban it. I think there was a clinical trial in Puerto Rico that they no doubt sabotaged. The homeless also get serious amounts of vitamin D, which, at a certain blood level, will prevent serious covid. Pharma has been pumping disinfo about it for decades. I had been trying to give up vaping, which I turned to after giving up smoking, but now I actually wonder if it is protecting me. I"ve never had covid either.

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My 38 year old son is a smoker (to my despair). He got a bad case of Covid early on in November 2019 while at UC Davis with all the Wuhan Chinese students. Huge numbers of students on campus were from China, and a great many of them are smokers. There was a lot of Covid there although doctors didn't yet know what it was, just a weird bad flu they thought. About 2 years later he got a milder Covid (probably) in January 2022. So smoking sure didn't prevent him or many other smokers he knew from getting it. He was and still is unvaccinated.

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Oh heck, glad he’s still unvaccinated though. It’s always surprising to me when young people smoke.

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There was a study that smoking helped prevent disease, but we can’t have that! The nicotine attaches to the ACE2 receptors instead of the virus. Thanks Dan for sharing!

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My hub abd I discuss the homeless often and my theory is that because they live oitdoirs abd are exposes to "fresh" air, sunshine everyday, their immune systems are get stronger and I suspect many of them will outlive us! PS ... I live in So CA. If we were in one of the northern states the weather might do them in.

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So Cal must be like heaven to them. We live in the high desert of Central Oregon at about 4000’. We get snow (although this year we’re way behind average, even at Mt Bachelor). I guess the freebies outweigh the cold. 🤷‍♀️ Somehow they are surviving. And numbers are growing.

My biggest worry is fire. There are only a few miles, as the crow flies, across the forest from their camps to our house.

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The nicotine receptors have something to do with it. Dr. Ardis cured his wife’s lack of taste/smell in a week with 2mg Rugby brand nicotine gum.

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I was living with my sister during the insanity. She is 16 months younger than me (I am 65) and much healthier, very robust and strong, while I am the proverbial 90-pound weakling. I smoke, she quit more than 10 years ago. She got covid twice. I got my normal winter crud, but never got covid. I like to point that out to the people who like to tell me that I should quit smoking. My sister and I are also purebloods and very vocal about the poison jab and the scamdemic, too.

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My husband is a smoker and tested positive twice for cv, he only tested for work reasons, took HQ the first time and was sick less than 48 hrs both times. I did not get it either time…..also didn’t test, but wasn’t sick.

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I’ve read that it’s zinc that gives us our sense of smell and it’s zinc that fights infection. Since our soil is mostly depleted of minerals, maybe you could get her to take a mineral supplement.

As an aside, my husband puts zincs(they fit around the propellers) on our boat because he said that zinc is a sacrificial metal that will attract electrolysis to the zinc instead of the propeller and eat up the zinc instead.

Is a virus a frequency?

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everything is a frequency. all matter is vibration.

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I was going to say the same thing. Everything has a frequency. You emit a frequency when you experience a certain emotion.

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Not to sound too nutty (that ship may have sailed already...) but have you heard of, or had experience with, earthing?

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I asked Lisa below and wanted to ask you, also, have you ever heard of earthing or had any experience with it?

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Your question is a very astute one. Everything is frequency when it comes right down to it. Arthur Fistenberg’s book, A History of Electricity and Life, illustrates how with every increase in electromagnetic energy introduced on the planet, a wave of illness follows. The introduction of 5G coincided with this “pandemic.” We are being layered in artificial frequencies and many bodies can’t keep up.

The answer? The only one I can think of is to ensure we keep our frequency high. All of us have our own electromagnetic field. Prayer, love, forgiveness, clean food, clean water, time with loved ones all increase our frequency. We all know what lowers it, just turn on the news to find out.

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Robin, if only……….it’s true that zinc is essential to taste and smell, and a deficiency can lead to loss of both. But I took zinc daily for months prior to my COVID infection, upped the dose during and after and it made no difference. There’s another underlying mechanism that’s responsible, we just don’t know exactly what. But watch—-they will come up with a vaccine “treatment” for it. Aaargh!

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Not sure if this will help, but some believe that it's a venom like cobra or other snake/snail ???. A dr I was watching said his wife tried chewing nicotine gum (2mg) for 10 mins. After around 3 days, it becomes apparent if it's working for you. If so, continue for 2 - 4 weeks. Good luck!

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I’m going to try it.

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I can't wait to see the answers to that question!

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Oh man, me too !!

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Zinc ingots are put on underground propane tanks to protect the metal.

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wow! thanks! would zinc help to keep a salt water pool from eating up everything around it?

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My husband used zinc and peppermint oil (using a drop on his tongue) it opened up his sinuses and after a few days his sense of smell returned.

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Mo- Dr Ardis’ wife cured her loss of taste & smell with 2mg Rugby brand nicotine gum. It returned within a few days of chewing the gum once a day.

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Mo, I saw what you did there! 😁 Unjabbed, but a nasty C-like virus (complete with scalding fevers, d-dimer and treponin elevations and astonishingly low pO2) left me with labile BP. BTW, absolutely convinced that IVM protocol saved my life; at ~36 hours, it was like someone flipped a switch. I looked so well that when I finally went to ED to ask for O2, they called it a heart attack and put me in a semi private room because C test was negative. Gasp! Literally, less than a couple hours from an obvious infectious process. No one listens to patients anymore.

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