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So pursue them with Your tempest

And dismay them with Your storm.

Fill their faces with disgrace,

That they may seek Your name, O Yahweh.

Let them be ashamed and dismayed forever,

And let them be humiliated and perish,

That they may know that You alone—Your name is Yahweh—

Are the Most High over all the earth.

— Psalm 83:15-18

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Ultimate goal: for all to seek Him and know Him!

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Yes. Some people need extreme convincing. Especially when they see themselves as a god. Which is a very prevalent notion these days. Pitiful.

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Indeed they do. Tim 3:1-5 “But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.”

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you just defined WOKE-ISM, narcissism, covidian and sinner all in that scripture.

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I remember when I was young reading "disobendient to their parents..." and thinking "That is equal to the other things?" and getting mad that Paul would say "have nothing to do with them". As I got older I started seeing one thing or another on the list that I was doing. I decided the disobedience was a gateway sin and it was actually good advice in my 20ish year old estimation. Today I was talking about my own unforgiving nature. Sheesh. But what gets me now as a 50 plus year old lady is verse 5. It saddens me. The growth of that particular group leading sweet lambs away from Christ.

I know that it is those who allow those things to overtake them, make those sorts of things their main and don't want to turn away from it. At all!

Rereading the list... it is what our country glorifies, deifies, raises up. Lord I pray for Christian revival in our beloved nation. The lead up to the new year is an excellent time to self examine and go boldly to the throne.

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What is in the heart comes out through our voice. God speed on your journey. 💕

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Thank you. I appreciate the encouragement.

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Yes Raptor!! I agree. We will have our whole Country in a Revival when we finally get to the other side of this War!!!

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2 Timothy

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Worse is someone who serves others at great self expense for the purpose of being good enough. Same coin but this side is oblivious to it's true nature which is always selfish. The Beautiful Religious is full of such.

Revelation 3:17-18 "...knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me GOLD TRIED IN THE FIRE, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see."

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Yes! Understanding of wretchedness leads to repentance! 🙌

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That “white coat god complex” is a heavy burden to bear, especially in light of the fact that they are mere mortals. They are to be pitified—that inevitable fall from the pedastal has to be frightening.

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And I pray that we, who have already been there, are not the Prodigal's brother--but that we simply rejoice in the comfort of our longer relationship. Without making any comparison.

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Yes! “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.” Proverbs 9:10

But HEAR THIS: it is not the SPIKE that’s the problem, it’s the mRNA type of immunization which is gene therapy/transfection. Don’t let anyone “blame the butter for what the bread did!” If we allow blame to be placed only on spike (they’re already trying) they’ll continue to eliminate regular vaccines in favor of mRNA transfection. NO MORE mRNA!

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Gods been challenging me for much of my life to call him by name, which I have stubbornly refused to do. No matter the soul crushing experiences He's tossed in my path, I insisted on words like "higher power" instead of "God", and "spiritual" instead of "Christian", wanting, for some stubborn reason, to set myself apart from identifying with Christians.

I've lived my live by Christian values, morals and principals, but refused to give the credit to Christ.

On Christmas Eve, I took the 40 mile winter drive to my elderly parents house, and played my favorite Christmas song "O Holy Night" over and over, sung by various artists. The words suddenly jumped out at me and rang with a meaning I hadn't understood before..........

"O holy night, the stars are brightly shining,

It is the night of our dear Saviors birth.

Long lay the world in sin and error pining,

'Til he appeared and the soul felt its worth,

A thrill of hope the weary world rejoices,

For yonder breaks a new and glorious morn,

Fall on your knees, O hear the Angel voices,

O night divine, O night when Christ was born"

"Til he appeared, and the soul felt its worth" and "A thrill of hope the weary world rejoices" struck me like a lightning bolt. The undeniable revelation of my divine nature suddenly became crystal clear, and a swell of emotion overcame me and tears rolled down my face.

I am not a body with some ambiguous spirit-like consciousness, and God is so much more than a "higher consciousness". I am a soul created by God, having a human experience in a physical body. Christ is the son of God sent to awaken us to our divine nature. Whatever caused my resistance to this simple truth, dissolved on Christmas Eve.

My Dad read the Christmas story from Luke before we ate dinner, which he has always done. I printed it out in large print to make it easier for him to read. For the first time, I truly understood the meaning of Christmas.

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Ode to Immortality:

Our birth is but a sleep and a forgetting:

The Soul that rises with us, our life's Star,

Hath had elsewhere its setting,

And cometh from afar:

Not in entire forgetfulness,

And not in utter nakedness,

But trailing clouds of glory do we come

From God, who is our home:

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This brought me to tears, thank you for sharing this. How wonderful and beautiful these words sound.

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John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Eternal life starts when you know God and Jesus, whom He has sent. It doesn’t start when we die physically, it starts when we die spiritually to ourselves and surrender to God!!!

That understanding and knowledge of who God is will drive us a better understanding of who God is and who we are, and sinners facing a holy God is scary!

Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

Which leads me to one of my favorite passages in scripture,

Ephesians 2:1-10

2 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

In the middle of the above is my favorite BUT GOD…we were dead in our sins, but God in His mercy loved us and saved us!!!

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all of you!!!

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Praise God for reaching out to you in song and showing you himself and your worth to him!!!!

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This is my favorite Christmas song and always moves me to tears. But this was the first year I ever learned all the words when we sang it at church and the words were up on the screen. I had the same reaction to “til he appeared and the soul felt its worth”. So beautiful and accurate!

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I thank God that the words of this Song have always made me tear up!! It's truly my favorite. When I sang Soprano, I could sing this all year around. The words are a daily devotion for me. God is so amazing to us!! Look how long it takes some to truly know God, but He was there watching over all of us the whole time. That personal relationship is all I have ever needed!! No man ever loved me enough to keep his hands to himself, But God knew I would seek Him after a terrible addiction to hide my pain. I didn't need to hide it, God knew and was waiting for me with open arms. Now, every chance I have to crush the enemy and Glorify God is part of every hour of every day. It wasn't easy accepting that I would be alone the past 6 years. Being disabled, no friends local, and lost all of those over President Trump and then the Jab. But my Conscientious has risen, my Vibrations are high, the excitement level is off the charts, my praise and worship lasts all day. That's how I have stayed. Close to Nature, not close to humans. Sad but true. God Bless you

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Thanks for sharing your story, your vulnerability is courageous. There is so much peace and comfort knowing I am Gods beloved child, and have been SO loved since long before this earthly place. I was a tough nut to crack, but God never gave up on me, and I feel so much gratitude for this. I wanted to believe in him for so long, but seemed never to reach the point of genuine belief. I feel like I have received a gift beyond my understanding . God Bless you, too <3

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Amazing!!!

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Thank you for sharing your testimony. I believe each time we share our experience of finding our true worth through our most loving Creator, it reminds us of our own worthiness and bring us, all his children closer together and with Him. Our family is HUGE and being a part of this vast family with our Lord and Savior at the head of our table fulfills our souls more than any earthly thing ever could. Your testimony brought tears of joy to my eyes and heart. May God richly bless you and your family all the days forevermore. Happy New Year

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Wow!! I was crying like a baby reading this!! Hallelujah Rachel!!! That is a Christmas Miracle. I love this so much! Thank you and God Bless you!!

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I love this testimony. Thank you for sharing.

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A prayer every congregation ought to give voice to every Sunday.

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Phil, I started "The Days of Vengeance" last night. I am only on p 27 of the bk (preface) and enjoying it. They know Dallas Seminary is gonna resist having their students challenging them with questions. Loved that argument. It is true and also amused me. Looking forward to discovering whatever objectionable, non pessimistic viewpoint Chilton will be presenting!

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Thank you for the link. I am interested.

Just reading the first few pages, I came across #3 in the preface.

Does this mean he presents Revelation as having already occurred? I don't know the proper term for that position.

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Yes-- the author approaches Revelation from a preterist position-- which posits that most of the book and the events Jesus teaches in the Olivet discourse (Matt 24), occurred in the first century with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.

Best to clarify that David Chilton, though a Biblical scholar, writes what is considered an unorthodox approach...you might also Google "Dominion Theology," just so you know what the author believes.

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What is often missed in these prophecies is that Christ often switched back and forth between the end of the age of His own time on earth and the final end of time. The Olivet discourse is a good example where in Matthew 24 He moves from the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD to His return from v29 on and again in Ch 25 from v 31 where He describes the final judgement at the end of time.

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Historically speaking, compared to 2000 years of church history, dispensationalism is unorthodox. Here is my response to the comments....

https://open.substack.com/pub/coffeeandcovid/p/little-packages-wednesday-december?r=u78oh&utm_campaign=comment-list-share-cta&utm_medium=web&comments=true&commentId=46133610

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Yes they believe the events in Revelation has occurred, it’s Dominion theology,I discovered a friend who is a Catholic who wanted to study Revelation with me quit when I challenged his beliefs using Biblical texts, for which he had no answer. It’s then that I realized he had been taught Dominion theology.

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Huh. Some here are often lamenting we cannot find a prayer to God for our enemies. This might be the ticket. Someone will be praying for Anthony Fauci today.

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Interesting. Since I started telling people a few years ago that I would pray for my enemy. I would pray that their sins would find them out, that they would be caught for their crimes and prosecuted for those crimes. In hopes it would lead them to Christ.

The amount of Christians who were shocked that I would pray that or dare to say that out loud, is how we can pray for our enemies was unbelievable. Why do so many of us have a hard time praying for judgement upon bad or criminal behavior? We want God’s grace and merciful side. We don’t want to entertain the idea that, that is not always what is needed to slap us upside our heads and wake us up to reality. The fear in peoples voices that I would dare pray a prayer like that is as unfathomable. Read your Bibles people… even the parts you don’t like. 🤦🏼‍♀️

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I agree. I sometimes struggle with my sinful side wherein I do not want to see them saved. I want eternal retribution. So when I get to praying for them, I first have to talk to the Lord about myself. It is an ongoing struggle mostly because I don't want to let that sin go.

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Raptor, I myself believe that "Vengeance is mine" indicates that vengeance is far too dangerous for ignorant humans to mess about with. We can see so little of the 'big picture'. And He does 'promise' to repay.

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When praying for my “enemies” I always pray that they will experience a change of heart, a change that will open their eyes, bring repentance, and seek the Lord. From there it’s in God’s hands.

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I agree. Sometimes it takes criminals the punishment their crimes deserve too. Prosecution wakes people up. Some anyway.

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Oh Debbie, that is my prayer too.

If they find the Lord and bring Him into their hearts I think they will be on fire to do good instead of evil, and perhaps influence their former partners in evildoing… like widening ripples in a pond when a stone is thrown in, I pray for multiplication of salvation for the sheep that are lost.

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I praise God that He fully exposed my eternally depraved disposition! I thought I was pretty good, even "saved" but "He found me out"! I must confess that "I am the worst of all sinners". He is Holy and Lord!

No one is saved who believes he is a good lord.

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Yes. He found us all out. While we were still sinners Christ died for us. Many scriptures reminding us that we are sinners. It’s impossible to ignore if we are being honest people. I do think there’s a difference between a sin that hurts only myself (or those around me - annd The Lord Himself) and a sin that hurts others. The sins I struggle with and commit do not involve crimes either. Unless speeding counts (which it does). I was talking about the crimes the politicians have committed against the people, and the crimes against humanity and egregious actions and behaviors that are unconscionable. I don’t consider someone who offends me or does me wrong on a “normal” basis my enemy. I do consider those who are in high places doing what they are doing against children and the masses - my enemy. I guess when it is intentional - that makes them my enemy. Those are hard to pray for their salvation as Raptor has said too. I agree. It’s easier to pray for their prosecution that it is for them to find Jesus in the midst of all their sin/crimes. But ultimately that’s what the end game really is about.

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I feel the greatest sin in this world is the one against the unborn. Thousands die daily and little is said. They are the most vulnerable and we look the other way. I personally think this is where the battle should be won...if we can’t protect them, how can we protect anyone else?

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Absolutely.

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Agreed. Totally. God has brought forth my sin of not wanting some people saved during these last few years. Neon lighted my pet sin in fact. Among other sinful things he reveals in me. I praise Him as well. I always tell him I trust His plan, but then I go and question the tactics. Not very trustish.

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Hugs you Sister!

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Need it. Even virtual ones.

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I say, whatever it takes to bring each human to the Lord, bring it on. I do my best to serve Him in reaching those who struggle in the ways I did.

The God of the Holy Bible is both merciful and just. He gives grace and says vengeance is His. How we each find Him and develop a personal relationship is unique. He knows what we need and He is waiting for all His children to come to Him.

Many people take the attributes of God they want and leave the rest. Many want only to see grace... God kept the OT AND NT in the Bible for a reason.

If they’re uncomfortable with who He is, maybe they should talk to Him about that and read His word. It takes some longer than others to grasp this. That’s okay. 🙏

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I have been asking, for those who abuse the power/authority given them BY HIM, that His justice be done. (And their eyes and hearts be opened to their deeds) It's all in His hands anyway.

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I used to have a friend (she passed away) that prayed for Obama.

Her prayer?

“Smite him, Lord! Smite him!”

And King David prayed that God would smite his enemies.

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Last year I felt like the Lord was asking me to pray for Hunter Biden, and He put such a heavy burden on my heart for him. I really didn't want to pray for him, and I asked why since he is such an evil man. But it seemed God was saying, "That's why I want you to pray. He needs someone to pray for him." So, I pray for him frequently that God would open his eyes to his need for God, repent, and be saved. Maybe I should perhaps pray what you do.

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I think you should pray exactly how God leads you to pray for him. Don’t change because of what I said. Don’t change unless God leads you differently. I think it’s awesome that God spoke to you to pray for him. Keep doing that!!! Good job!

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So true. I have said many times God is not just a God of grace and mercy and love he is a God of justice and wrath as well. Read the OT people!!!!!

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Justice comes in many forms. Why we say that Justice should be 'blind' I think, is to remove it from our biases. What I think a punishment is, another would not think is punishment. How can I a mere human be a judge of what God would consider a punishment? I do not pray for my enemies, I pray for the failure of their goals and desires, that their works be brought to ruin, and I pray for myself to remain free from the entanglements others have with them. That I may see through the deceits, avoid the snares and traps, and stay uncorrupted by the mammon of our times.

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Oona pilot - This ⬆️!!!! Yes!

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If we are all one--then praying for your enemy, who is probably a hurting soul, makes perfect sense. I believe that hurt is what leads people to lash out. Maybe an open heart can heal another’s hurting.

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You prayed an Imprecatory Prayer. They’re tricky but here’s a good explanation: https://www.ligonier.org/learn/qas/how-should-christians-respond-to-imprecatory-psalms.

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I’m not sure if praying for people to repent and receive Jesus qualifies as imprecatory. It seems to be the most loving thing one can do. But, I did like the explanation in the link. It definitely clarifies. Thank you!

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David prayed for curses on his enemies. Psalm 109.

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Sneaking in a little Commentary time and you will some Flammage & Lightning, too!! 🔥🔥🔥⚡️⚡️⚡️🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼👿👿👿

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I have thrown up a few prayers for the Human Cockroach - imagine the headlines (all swept under a rug) of his conversion, and in that conversion a confession and repentance of all his lies and evil deeds of the past 40 years...

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During an interview the Human Cockroach said he was a Catholic, his wife was a Catholic. Was. Now he is beyond the the need for something to keep him in line and that he is doing pretty good on his own as a superific good person. No need for worshiping of a deity when he can just look in the mirror.

The interviewer completely agreed with her bobblenod.

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His journey took him from Trust God to Trust The Science - which is him. Not hard to see why he worships himself now.

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Gotta run, but couldn’t resist leaving a few flames 🔥 🔥🔥 and lightning bolts ⚡️⚡️⚡️ in agreement, Janice!!! Thank you for the perfect find for your scripture snip today!! 😇🕊️😇

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Ditto⚡️⚡️

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In the context of current events & attitudes, the rest of Psalm 83 is also riveting, with its mention of who the enemies are:

Psalm 83 (the ESV)

1 O God, do not keep silence;

do not hold your peace or be still, O God!

2 For behold, your enemies make an uproar;

those who hate you have raised their heads.

3 They lay crafty plans against your people;

they consult together against your treasured ones.

4 They say, “Come, let us wipe them out as a nation;

let the name of Israel be remembered no more!”

5 For they conspire with one accord;

against you they make a covenant—

6 the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites,

Moab and the Hagrites,

7 Gebal and Ammon and Amalek,

Philistia with the inhabitants of Tyre;

8 Asshur also has joined them;

they are the strong arm of the children of Lot. Selah

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Thank you Janice. I was raised atheist, but I seek Him every day. I also seek out your inspiring posts each morning!

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Wow that makes me so happy for you!

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Thankful for your conversion! Praise God!

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Vast, irreparable damage has been done. And very few are still jabbing.

During the past four years, the Covidmanic never wanted to discuss any of this.

What's the point of discussion now?

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Years ago I learned about “imprecatory prayer.” We cry out to God to deal with evil.

“An imprecation is a curse that invokes misfortune upon someone. Imprecatory psalms are those in which the author imprecates; that is, he calls down calamity, destruction, and God’s anger and judgment on his enemies. This type of psalm is found throughout the book. The major imprecatory psalms are Psalms 5, 10, 17, 35, 58, 59, 69, 70, 79, 83, 109, 129, 137, and 140.”

*Definition quoted from “Got Questions.org

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Amen and amen.

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"And Baalam's ass spoke"

Take your religious nut-roll crap elsewhere, loser.

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You’re doubting that asses speak? Interesting.

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"I found yet another goofy Covidian (a healthcare professional) ..." I've stopped calling them 'health care' professionals. They are primarily in the medicine business. Until each practitioner proves themselves to be interested in health, they are snake oil salesmen to me.

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It's not health care, it's the medical industrial complex (MIC). It is the same as the military industrial complex (MIC). Both make money off from death.

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and both use the same suppliers. add in big ag and you have a trifecta.

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And...they all sit in each other's Board of Directors to make sure its all harmonized ...

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Actually, , both prefer maiming, because it keeps the money rolling in , sometimes for decades from the medical murder mafia, and for the other MIC, wounded men tie down non wounded men to care for them. Daisy cutter mines are a perfect example. Why kill when you can maim? Sick, huh?

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Oh my gosh! I just heard a similar statement last night in the movie “Charlie Wilson’s War”. Another eye opener to how the TPTB think!

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Big pHarma minions is my term.

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I differentiate them as drug dealers/pushers these days, until proven otherwise.

I have respect for very few ppl who practice allopathy.

Medicine is natural and healing-

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I am not interested in pussy-footing around the elephant in the room in regard to the covid death shots.

Not gonna argue. Not gonna try to see their point. Not gonna try for them to see mine.

If a person wants to take them, go right ahead.

But...leave me the F alone.

I am cranky, and pissed, and this crap has got to stop.

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WORD...I've been an RN for 55 years and I don't bother trying to educate the infestation of vermin anymore. covidians are ANNOYING PESTS and I encourage them all to keep lining up for their tickets to the abattoir...

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I have to disagree, Professor. A soft word of warning may sink in eventually.

As to the annoying pests or vermin: many are our loved ones. 😢

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We no longer have the time for "a soft word of warning."

Mainly because I think they will hit us again with another bioweapon...or EMP.

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"....another bioweapon or EMP." I agree we will be subjected to another "something." The link below speaks of a Black Swan event and lists several possible catalysts....all of which seem plausible. Fast forward to 18:25 in the video.

https://rumble.com/v43fh9t-2024-black-swan-event-sitrep-12.26.23.html

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Thanks for the link. Here is something else to consider:

Interview with Mike Adams and Steve Quayle.

US Navy ships are sitting ducks in the Middle East.

On purpose? Similar to a stand-down before Pearl Harbor? To drum up support for war with Iran if one of our carriers are heavily damaged or sunk?

https://www.brighteon.com/6389b1fa-a4c0-4fa8-81de-ae4b62fe9cff

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I agree that that language -- "vermin" -- is very strong language to use toward human beings. That said, the 𝒗𝒂𝒔𝒕 majority of these human beings (loved ones, friends, colleagues) aided and abetted this crime against the world. They did this through their cowardice, their credulity, and their utterly 𝒅𝒊𝒔𝒈𝒓𝒂𝒄𝒆𝒇𝒖𝒍 disloyalty to freedom. For indulging these vices they must be remembered.

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It is really not so hard to just rant and rave one's thoughts and feelings without resorting to dehumanization, which is the precursor to every mass slaughter in recorded history. Jews were called vermin, in Rwanda, it was cockroaches.

I try to think of every time someone told me something that I just didn't want to believe, or what a cortex-less rebel-against-my-father activist I was when I was young. It is really hard to detach when covidians are trying to convince others to get boosters as they are so sure of their sources and data, so I just detach from those people, but I did let fly when one of my relatives was believing them and I didn't want him to get subclinical myocarditis. But, then, everyone I know is in the blue rainbow democrat cult. People are coming around though, as it is breaking into the mainstream. I think it is much much harder for people who need to rely on medicine to stay alive, and for whom, some of the medical system has been helpful. It is hard for them to separate the demonic used car salespeople from the practicioners who do care about them.

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We have to watch our backs at all times now. Even from our loved ones. Sadly.

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She’s been doing it a long time. I bet she’s talked til she’s blue in the face. How much compassion do u want her to have?

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Someone last week wrote 'jabbatoir'--which tickled me

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By now, what may be interesting is that deep in the back of some of these folks minds is that they are totally unhappy chaps, and this is their perfect "EXIT" strategy.

No shaming....no blaming. They want outa here and off the blue orb.

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"infestation of vermin"....well said

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And I’m still seeing advertisements on tv for Covid shots along with the flu shot. Ugh!!

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Every time I see a billboard or hear an ad for these shots it makes me want to scream!

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Makes my skin crawl.

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Same 😞

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Stupid is as stupid does. If they wanna trust the govt and health care, they’ve had access to the same information I have. They CHOOSE to not do the research! Not much compassion anymore.

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I hate that taxpayer money is wasted on this though!!

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Ugh. Let me count the ways!!!!!!!

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Safeway had 4(!!!!) adds run in the 25 minutes I was in their store! 4! I was livid by the time I left. Magic Johnson was one of the promoters in their adds!

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Ugh!!! 😡😖 Infuriating!!!

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These Ads (brought to you by Pfizer) on TV, Radio, Billboards, etc., are the equivalent of Hitler selling concentration camps as vacation resorts.

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Well done

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The VA is offering the flu shot and the updated covid booster at the same time.

Letting us know, "One visit. Two vaccines."

https://www.va.gov/initiatives/covid-flu/

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🤮🤬

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That has become my attitude. I used to try to save Covidiots, but I just can't put any more time, energy, and heartbreak into this. You want to play Russian Roulette with your health? It's not my problem. You want to play it with your kids' health, too? Knock yourself out. I just can't anymore. I have no more soul to give. I'm too exhausted trying. At some point, I think even if you love a person, it's not worth it when it destroys your own life to keep caring and trying. And I agree 100%, leave me the F alone on my decisions. There is nothing that anyone can say or do to convince me of any "covid" b.s.

Neighbor told me today her husband was diagnosed with Lewy Body Dementia (I may be misspelling) , jabbed and boosted. I kept my mouth shut. My dad is making bad decisions right now (not related to health) and I have got to let go and let him screw up his own life. I am destroying myself in the process of trying to help others and I'm just done. But at the same time, I got rear ended by two Hispanics with no insurance and no drivers license. Both men had clearly been working all day and were covered in spackling (maybe plaster.) Car is scratched. I'm ok. I just couldn't call the police. I knew what would happen to them. I am on the edge myself and could not screw up any one else's life. I need positive vibes badly right now and knew I would not be ok with harming another. I think there's a good line between that and fighting to save Covidians. We can only do what we feel right about doing.

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There's a place that will enforce laws against illegal immigrants?! /sarc, sort of.

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Having spent years on Sep 11 (and other miseries brought to us by the crime syndicate), "COVID" exhausted me before it got well underway because I knew 𝑒𝑥𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑙𝑦 how people would conduct themselves. They heard the story -- and 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 was all they needed.

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100%. I am coming to a very dark conclusion that a good segment of the population has been turned into mental zombies. Not the zombies we’ve been seeing in the movies - these people’s stuff is on the

inside. More like the pod people.

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I just rewatched invasion of the body snatchers with Donald Sutherland and it did not disappoint

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I watched an interesting film yesterday, Inferno (as in Dante’s Inferno), done in 2016. It is a Dan Brown book to film starring Tom Hanks about a billionaire who creates a pathogen to depopulate the world.

Spoiler: the pathogen did not escape

I find it intriguing that Hank did this film since he is a shot pusher.

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He’s also on epsteins list.

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Hollywood is definitely part of Big Media .... happily poisoning our minds forever.

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I couldn’t agree more

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Yep. I call it the jab stare.

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I agree - it’s time to stop being polite.

I have yet to see a recently died suddenly who was not vaccinated - most of them (like the example given) have pictures taken bragging about it - then they die and only one thing gets ruled out - this is the opposite of the “science” they are so proud of.

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Well I’m sure they do happen, but I don’t know anyone unjabbed that’s died since 2021. As for the dead jabbed my count is up to 27. 😵‍💫

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I wish there was a sad button so I could hit it...to know so many who have died.

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I hope there comes a time when people are grateful for your kindness regarding a philosophy of "Live and let live". When I consider the measures they were eager to employ to force me to take the jab, I think they should be aided in receiving the 'benefits' we know the jabs confer. I want to help them.

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At this point, I just want to ignore them.

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I think we'd get along just fine. Diplomacy was never my strong suit, but nobody ever got a knife in the back from me.

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You are my husband's twin 😉😅 He read yesterday's C&C, we had a lively discussion about it, and he said almost verbatim what you just said.

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I always try to offer an opening to see if there’s any curiosity there. If so, I press on it. If not, I go on about my business. I’m amazed at how many people who seem closed are actually open but just never had anyone give them an opportunity to express their concerns without judgment. So many people say they’re “relieved” to find someone they can talk to who doesn’t try to talk them down and who shares their beliefs. Outliers unite!

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Most of the people I am dealing with have no curiosity. It is like they are in a cult.

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They deftly combine incuriosity with unteachability. Just a winning combo, that.

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Agree 💯. I live in an area with devout covidians. I am done. Won't go out of my way. I will only for those who actively seek assistance etc. The rest are on their own. God help them.

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Lmao!!!!! I know it’s not funny but I’m laughing out loud anyway!!! Yep not interested in trying to convince anyone, just leave me ALONE!!!! I think you are a true idiot to trust the govt/ healthcare/ whoever. I trust myself.

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This!!! The purpose of not every conversation or relationship is persuasion. It’s not everyone’s role all the time. In fact, people whose role it usually is (like Jeff) do not always need to persuade in every situation.

Having said that, I’m glad to learn for when it is my role. Talking to the covid crazed online ain’t it.

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May I ask why no one has any idea what is being sprayed in Chem trails. I am on the gulf coast of Fl. The sky is covered in Chem trails. Just finished a cruise to Italy, France, Portugal and Spain. Chem trails in all of these countries. I am wondering why DeSantis and Dr. Ladapo are not discussing this concern. Thousands of people extremely unwell. Both vaxxed and unvaxxed. I know, I am one of them. Unvaxxed going into week five of nasal and lung congestion.

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“I mean, it’s not like it’s coming from airplane contrails. (It’s not, right? Please tell me they haven’t started spraying us with spike.)” I bet we can find out here: www.geoengineeringwatch.org I firmly believe there oftentimes are viruses sprayed in, and raining down on us, from the skies.

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Well, the USA military did spray bacillus subtilis over some American city just as an experiment. Not a virus but a bacterial species.

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If it really was bacillus subtilis sprayed, that could actually be a good thing although ingesting it would be preferred over breathing it in. This is the beneficial bacteria in natto - nattokinase has been recommended to offset some of the Covid adverse events.

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Was it that? I thought Serratia marcescens? I may have species spelling wrong. And then a bunch of people got urinary tract infections. 😠

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Oh, you might be right.

Why not both though? 🙃🤨

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Let’s not confuse “contrails” with “chemtrails” - the former is a byproduct of jet engine combustion which occurs at altitudes of 30000 feet and above. The latter is a man made compound of various chemicals & is sprayed from nodules affixed to the underside of jet wings, typically below 25000 feet. This is part of a very global effort (geo-engineering) designed to counteract CC/GW (climate change global warming). I live in Melbourne Beach and see this in action every day, even on mostly cloudy days where criss/cross patterns can be observed in the clear spaces in between the clouds. I’m sure some will call me a conspiracy theorist... FYI some nations are very open about this effort (i.e, Sweden), but not ours. Who’s doing this? I suspect our very secretive & woke Air & Space Force

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1:05:00 shows the beginning of a laboratory analysis of what's in chemtrails. If you have any questions about geoengineering, watching the entire video will be beneficial. "The Dimming" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf78rEAJvhY&t=3928s

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Exactly and until they notice, people ( including me until a few years ago) don’t notice or wonder.

But still no questions or answers

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The central contents vary, but tried and true favorites are aluminum, cadmium, and barium. Also evidence of both nanoparticles and graphene oxide. This is by no means a complete list.

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Don’t forget about strontium.

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Also nanobots.

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I wake up most mornings to the skies criss-crossed with chemtrails. Recently, I read a document that stated one of the agents they are releasing in the sky is barium. He collected the residue that fell out of the sky from the chemtrail (I believe this was in Arkansas) and had it tested and it tested positive for barium which can cause all sorts of health problems.

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Jabs in the chemtrails?

Jabs in the water supply?

Jabs in Bill Gates 'apeel' fruit coatings?

(ya, that's a stretch, but from comments in below link: "These glycerolipids could be made from seed oils (canola, peanuts, corn and GMO soy, etc.) that are endocrine disruptors or the same nanolipids used in Covid-19 injections. The latter could bind with areal sprays and infiltrate the body...") https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/gates-foundation-food-coating-apeel-edipeel/

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another interesting comment from that link:

"I just watched the latest episode of Doug and Stacy on utube. They are homesteaders. The did the episode on ' poisonous avocados' with the apeel stickers. These stickers are showing up on lots of different produce in many stores including Whole Foods. I'm so grateful for my small but limited garden."

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This summer I chose to purchase what is potentially a year's worth of fruit from local orchards (dehydrated most; apples are in outdoor refrigerator), reasoning that orchards selling to farmstands won't be spending their money on such a product.

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That's awesome! I'd like to do that as well. I'm interested in local sourced meats, honey, eggs, raw milk, veggies, etc.

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Do you have the ability to grow your own vegetables? At our home, we put in fruit trees as soon as we moved in, 36 years ago (and had done the same, 10 years earlier, at the previous property). In '20 a large tree came down, providing lots more light--so the next spring, in went 5 fruit trees. A year ago, moving in that same mindset, decided the hedgerow on one side was wasteful, removed most of the shrubs (they were free in the first place so no loss), and set in more elderberries, hazels, 9 fruit trees. Cleared out a woody corner in past month, setting more hazels, another pawpaw there this spring. Along another border, we'd always had forsythia as a privacy hedge, no longer needed, as last spring we installed a tall wooden fence. Fruit trees planned for that area next year (I try to have only one newly-planted-need-to-be-careful-about-watering area per year.) I have been re-assessing the use of our square-footage, looking at lawn as a great waste of land.

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I have been getting raw, grass-pastured, Jersey milk since July '21. Farmer sends out vans across the commonwealth; I go weekly to my local Lowe's parking lot to pick up my order. You can find raw milk sources in the whole USA on the Weston A. Price website (rawmilkfinder). My own source (https://yourfamilyfarmer.com/) offers much beyond milk--but those things are outside my budget.

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I too have been noticing the chem trails and dirty skies described by Dane Wigington at geoengineeringwatch.org here in Baton Rouge, and am embarrassed that it has just recently occurred to me that they could be including pathogens in whatever is being sprayed over us. (We are just getting over a lengthy Influenza A infection.) I would really like more information about WHO is doing the spraying, WHAT they are spraying, and WHY they are doing it. Is there not any state’s Environmental Protection Agency with this information? I would think they’re the logical place to start if their mission truly is “environmental protection.” I love Dane’s website, but I’m frustrated that there’s no proposed path forward to expose these people and stop them, at least that I can find.

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In the UK, the meteorology department is gagged! I wrote to them twice asking what was contained in the chemtrails and received a preprepared three page response about contrails! Their paper included a note that chem trails were part of a conspiracy theory. Like we are all just imaging planes spreading chemtrails that last for hours and widen and white out our blue sky.

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This seems like one of the cruxes of our problems. Hard to have autonomy when we are being sprayed nearly daily and do not even know with what.

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However--whatever may possibly be sprayed from above will ipso facto affect every air-breathing animal below. Any 'cabalists' will not be able to avoid and evade. Unless they wear respirators hooked up to an oxygen tank 24/7/365

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Or they know how to contradict the things they are spraying, which is my guess

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Doesn’t seem like they care.

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Here's Ken Calderia imagining "putting pathogens in a cloud" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4zAHKNCYtk&list=PLDVvLl-E9H5aC3vyNgFvCVwKK56DwdluV&t=64s

Read up on Ken. He's the kind of immoral monster that's part of a small cabal that's affecting, using geoengineering, every life support system on planet Earth.

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I have been watching contrails for 50 years, as I hang the wash on the line (have to look straight upwards to hang the sheets). Contrails dissipate very quickly. These things last and spread out wide, and last--like clouds.

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I can only conclude that TPTB allow a "limited movement" contrary to their "narrative" for the purpose of disarming political discontent and roping the electorate back into compliance with the narrative. People don't vote for ideologies. They vote for personalities. Using "partial concessions" that appear to be limited opposition to the narrative, political discontent can be persuaded that their leader is doing something to counter the narrative when in reality it is political theater while the narrative continues to accomplish the goals of the cabal.

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Colloidal silver and oregano oil will help!

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I think the same chemicals were sprayed in the chemtrails from bomber runs over Germany in the early 1940s. It is water vapor condensing. You've seen the pictures...

https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/114912227966557541/

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If you watch “The Dimming” movie that John George posted, they actually address that issue. They were testing CHEMtrails back then.

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Sure they were. "Here Mr. B-29 pilot, we'd like you to spray some chemicals on Germany, while you're going there to bomb them back to the stone age, pretty please."

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You certainly are ignorant, for a ‘lawyer’.

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And you're certainly ignorant for someone who is presumably allowed to vote.

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THANK YOU, FRED!

It's contrails, not "chemtrails." Chemtrails is an Intelligence Community term invented by them to discredit otherwise skeptical but well-meaning people - just as they invented the term "conspiracy theories."

Over the years I've personally spoken to 3 professional airline aircraft mechanics asking whether there could be something spraying chemicals out of the aircraft engines they constantly tear down and rebuild.

All three had the same answer: "No. That's ridiculous. There's no way I wouldn't see it."

The last guy I asked - about 6 months ago - is a crew chief for American Airlines and has become a personal friend and fellow parishioner.

You're being manipulated by the IC again.

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So you've investigated the data, the patents, the film footage, etc. etc. etc. at https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/ and still maintain the lines that linger in the skies for hours are simply water vapor and not nano-sized particles? You've analyzed how a high bypass turbofan works ( https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/the-contrail-lie/ ) and still maintain "contrails" are what you're seeing in the sky? You're watched "The Dimming" ( https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/?s=the+dimming ) from start to end? Did you only ask your AA mechanics about engines, or did you also ask about nozzles ( https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/?s=nozzles )?

I think you're being manipulated by the IC again.

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Good answer John George. He is being conned. Again.

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I'm familiar with the site.

You're paranoid nutjobs. Contrails have been present since we began high altitude flight - as Fred's pics *from WW2* aptly demonstrate.

I specifically asked the crew chief about nozzles.

Your predisposition to believe in conspiracies is what they're relying on.

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You're familiar with the site – by name only, or have you ever investigated for an hour or so with an open mind?

Ah, yes, I remember contrails as a child lying on my back looking up at the sky. Little dots of airplanes high in the stratosphere leaving behind 'a foot or two' of condensation which dissipated almost immediately as the plane meandered along. I am able to contrast that with looking at aircraft flying in the troposphere leaving bands of particles which, depending on wind, can linger in the skies for hours. Are you?

You've amended your original comment about engines to include nozzles. What did the mechanic say about nozzles, and what did he say was their function? Nozzle definition: “A nozzle is a short tube that narrows in the middle or toward one end and is often used to direct or speed up a flow of fluid.”  Did your mechanic indicate they were spraying jet fuel through the nozzles? Some other liquid? What liquid? If they're not spraying something why were there nozzles?

Are we playing fourth dimensional chess here? “Your predisposition to believe in conspiracies is what they're relying on.” Who are “they”? What benefit is it to “them” that I believe in a “conspiracy” about chemtrails?

I opened with the question about your knowledge of the geoengineeringwatch website. I think the answer is evident: 'don't confuse me with facts, my mind is made up'. Hopefully others with questions may want to research what's presented at https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/

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I've spent well more than an hour on the geoengineering website.

He didn't go into depth on my question about nozzles - he just smiled and told me they assembled and disassembled down to the last nut and bolt, ie the airframe and engine mechanics are intimately familiar with the aircraft they work on.

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I believe your ability to not see what’s right in front of you is what they’re counting on.

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Fred, we all realise it is hard to take in that your own government is trying to harm you, but you just might want to consider this.

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No, on the contrary virtually everyone on this site believes that - including me.

I'm just fighting against the Intel psyop that's trying to discredit those who realize COVID was biowarfare.

Chemtrails, like the flat earth idiots is a psyop trying to make you and me look stupid.

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I know I'm gonna regret this, but the Trump phenomenon has the same logical structures.

Trump's fans like him because they believe he's not a politician (despite the fact that he ran for president four times so far.)

They further see him being treated unfairly by the professional politicians, which he is.

So when he is criticized for his poor performance and lack of understanding of the process, his fans naturally fall back on "He's not a politician" and double down on their support.

It's the political equivalent of the perpetual motion machine.

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Don’t be fooled. These are chem trails.

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Fred. There are ‘contrails’, from passenger and other smaller type aircraft, and then there ARE CHEMtrsils. They do not disappear, they spread across the sky and you can actually watch the larger planes coming from different directions. They create a basket weave pattern. The chemtrails then expand and cover the skies,

I’m sorry that you have never noticed this, but many of us have been observing it for years.

From my research they are spraying all types of chemicals on us. I have also been seeing reports that those pilots and crews are coming down with some very bad cancers.

This isn’t a conspiracy theory. You simply accepted a few fellas words. That’s not research.

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How do the chemicals get down to the ground in any concentration if they hang in the stratosphere for hours on end and spread out over thousands of square miles? Why not spray from lower altitudes?

The basket weave pattern is due to winds aloft. Plane1 comes along, leaves a contrail, and you can watch it drift. Plane2 comes along the very same airway a few minutes later, and you have parallel contrails. PlaneA is traveling at an angle, and leaves a crossing contrail which also drifts. PlaneB follows on the same airway... crosshatch pattern. You can literally watch these trails move in real time as they are drawn. I've done it hundreds of times over the years.

Airliners have fuel dump nozzles because max takeoff weight is heavier than max landing weight. If something happens, say a plane diverts to land early, it may be necessary to dump fuel to get below max landing weight if time permits.

Give me a link to a text explanation of the evidence for chemtrails if you have it. I read a lot faster than people talk, so I'm not watching 90 minutes of video when I can process the same info in text in 15 minutes. Even better, give me the 2-3 most compelling pieces of evidence so I can decide if the evidence has no simple, plausible explanation other than chemtrails. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

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Sometimes the contrails spread because upper winds spread them. Sometimes they don't spread.

BTW you can verify that 99.999% are from airliners by using apps to identify them in real or near realtime.

Now stop doing the CIAs bidding by spreading the ridiculous "chemtrails" theories. You're making the rest of us skeptics seem like we're nuts too.

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Ooh!!! Here you are. You haven’t ‘looked into’ anything. You haven’t even bothered to look up into the sky and note the difference between contrails and chemtrails,😂😂😂😂. But you and you alone are the expert. Precious Fred Bennet, the real moon bar loony toons calling those who have observed, questioned and done research.

You asked as couple of mechanics.

Big flipping deal.

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Since Fred seems to rely on aircraft mechanics as his sole data point for determining the reality of geoengineering, I wonder if his sample size included military aircraft mechanics? Here's a recent radar pic of a KC-135 flying over Lake Michigan ( https://flic.kr/ps/42KcX6 ) at between 2000-4000 ft. The KC-135 can carry up to 83,000 pounds of cargo. One has to wonder if the aircraft was lost and looking for the airport? Over the Lake? Now, I wasn't on a boat looking at the sky so don't pin the dreaded and demeaning "conspiracy theory nut job" moniker on me, but it wouldn't surprise me if there were multiple chemtrails left in the wake of that aircraft.

Hopefully Fred will report back with a breakdown of his poll results including a categorization of military vs. civilian mechanics.

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If Fred watched the video. He might learn something. Extremely high concentrations of aluminum and barium in soil samples and in tree bark and trees dying.

Have kids and grandkids and this makes me sick seeing what they are doing. As someone who loves looking at natural clouds I look up all the time and observe the chemtrails that don't dissipate. Rarely even have days here in San Diego with beautiful natural cloud formations like we used to have years ago.

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I asked three airframe mechanics whose professional jobs and certifications rely on their daily business of disassembling and reassembling the aircraft we all fly on.

So far, it's been 0-3 for the fake flat earth nutjobs who read a website and watched some YouTube vids.

Fffft! What do those professionals know?!

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Sometimes the contrails dissipate quickly as in a matter of seconds and sometimes they linger for hours, it just depends on the moisture conditions already present at that altitude.

If you think that the planes are poisoning us you have also explain how the people who are doing it and who live underneath the airplanes along with their family and friends and children and all that sort of thing - how are they not being poisoned? Do they have a special vaccination against barium and whatever else is raining down on us supposedly? It’ requires such a huge number of people that would be involved in such a program that has somehow gone on for decades. Yet none that have never spoken about it or given any evidence and that defies logic, some ppl want to tell their secrets eventually they just can’t help themselves.

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Yes, you are partially correct; you will never see anyone talk about the geoengineering program – on any mainstream media source. Here's ( https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/geoengineering-an-interview-with-a-us-air-force-general/ ) retired Air Force General Richard H. Roellig speaking with Dane Wigington of geoengineeringwatch.org, which you would only be aware of if you had looked for it. Or were informed of it by a fellow concerned citizen.

Your observation that “none have ever spoken about it” is addressed starting at 15:30:00.

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They are. Just like men working in coal mines. The money and the need to support their families, no matter the cost. They ignore the canary and just do their job, hoping they will be unaffected. Just like those in the killing.....uh, medical profession......taking the shot and hoping for the best. Pilots lining up for the jab and dying suddenly.

So.....what do you not understand about why some people do what they do, simply because the have to put bread on the table and believe that ‘they’ will not be affected? I have watched this behavior my entire life.

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Yep. My friend & law partner was eaten up with hidden or secret knowledge (aka Gnosticism.)

And those of us like these on C&C have encountered actual real conspiracy theories in the COVID scam. So we're acclimated to it.

But there is COVID and there are reptilian shape shifter stories. One is real, one is nuthouse nuttery.

Chemtrails belong to the latter.

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Fred B, You keep bringing up your ‘law partner’......as if you being a lawyer means you know everything about everything. What you are, I would imagine, in real life is.....you’re what is called a ‘name dropper’. I’ll bet you’re one who tries at every opportunity to impress everyone with ‘who’ you know.

Let me pop your little bubble.

No one cares who you know, or that you had a ‘law partner’. People laugh behind your back because you are so pompous.....they know you like dropping names and reminding people that you were part of a ‘law firm’. . You can’t be bothered to do the research, which is what lawyers are supposed to be good at doing.

We have tried tracking those particular planes, but they cannot be tracked. They don’t show up. We did it when they are overhead. We can track the commercial airlines, but not those spewing the chemtrails.

Either you cannot see, or you REFUSE to see. Not surprising coming from someone who has to keep reminding everyone that he is ‘somebody’. It’s really very silly, namedropping. Just get some glasses and do some deep digging......or maybe you could get your former ‘law partner’ to do it for you. But so far, you aren’t a very impressive ‘lawyer’.

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Interesting discussion about the diabetes patient! Here in the SF Bay Area it also seems as though some doctors are becoming aware that vaccine injuries are real. My electrician's husband, a young fit man in his 30s, a PhD scientist, road biker, and vaccine enthusiast, took the flu shot and the most recent covid booster at the same time. A few days after he woke up unable to see or move his limbs - UNABLE TO SEE OR MOVE HIS LIMBS! They rushed to the ER at Kaiser Permanente in Oakland where after three days UNABLE TO SEE OR MOVE HIS LIMBS they diagnosed him with Miller Fisher Syndrome a "rare" autoimmune disease, and told them it was a vaccine injury. Pay attention here, a physician team in Oakland CA at mega corporate vertically integrated Kaiser Permanente acknowledged this was a vaccine injury. In the world I want to live in, this is a newsworthy item. As far as I know, aside from myself, no one else is bothering to get this out into the world. My electrician's husband is predicted to recover from the inability to SEE OR MOVE HIS LIMBS, but that remains to be seen.

The truly unfortunate part is that I am a pretty busy builder and I was speaking to this electrician at least weekly since way before the pandemic began. I shared with him all of our concerns. I told him about the death of our friend from a Pfizer hot lot #en6201. I pleaded with him to not take boosters. I did all but chain him to a port-o-potty to keep him from taking the Monkey Pox shot... nothing worked and here we are today. He remains a friend, but it was definitely hard on him to have to share with me his husband's condition after it happened. Not much to do but pray for a recovery and that they have learned their lesson!

Another thing worth noting, I was at a party a month or so ago. One of the guests I met had done an analysis for Sutter Health, another large, vertically integrated health care provider out here. He indicated that the analysis he performed indicated a tremendous amount of vaccine injury and death in their patient population. Upon sharing it with the executives that contracted his firm to do this work, the report was buried and never has been shared.

I imagine incidents like these are happening at every health care provider and insurer in the world right now. It is only a matter of time now before the dam breaks.

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And they will still push the "two at once" advertising. I hope this man recovers and I hope they both get mad and make a stink.

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Been waiting for the dam to break. Now I doubt I’ll see it.

TPTB will come up with some other explanation for vaccine murder.

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Hard to say. I am optimistic today. Subject to change!

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It's a good sign that he shared his husband's condition with you. Please share covid vax detox protocols with him.

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And yet I have a very good friend, a physician, whom I used to greatly respect for many reasons, who was complaining she couldn’t find a place to get her COVID and flu shot at the same time. 😭

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Wow, Kaiser

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Wow. That Kaiser and Sutter are acknowledging it is such good news. It must be devastating out there. I have spent many an hour at that Oakland Kaiser, which was like a greased slide of bureaucratic efficiency, anti-human, though they do give you a diaphanous bag of blue Kaiser swag when they unceremoniously dump you at the exit. Hospice, there, however, is excellent, and I know someone, once a reindeer herder in Lapland, who studies diabetes there. Maybe the actual minds and actual Hippocratic oath followers are having some influence. Terrible about the injury though.

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Is it you who. a few months ago, was about to go before a local board to make a presentation and requested prayers? I have wondered how that turned out.

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it was. "Berkeley United Against Hate" week. My wife and kids asked me to not go and speak there. They were probably correct. The meeting was overrun by the next current thing, which I actually can't remember what that was anymore. Since 10/7, neither the city council nor the school board here has been able to conduct a meeting as they have been disrupted by Palestinian supporters.

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But thank you for having the courage to speak. Oh the irony---in my college years ('68-'72) Berkeley, the free speech leader!

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A friend of mine late 50’s just died suddenly. She had RA, which my mother had who lived to 91. Jane, my friend, told her son she wasn’t feeling well, had had a cough and general sickness we all get this time of year. He came home from work and found her gone...there is no reason for this! It truly angers me, we all know the vaxx is contributory, I’m tired of being gaslit at every turn!

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It’s very frustrating because it’s hard to prove since we can never get any actual data and evidence from an autopsy or any other type of investigation.

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Of course, the fact that there aren’t any being done is the clue.

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Very true.

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Went to a 60th birthday bash on the 15th. The Birthday girl called a mutual friend the following week to see if she was ok. Apparently 20 people from the party came down with Covid and she couldn’t understand it because they *all* had been recently boosted! 🤦‍♀️ My friend said she was glad she was on the phone so the Birthday girl couldn’t see her laughing! I’m afraid I wouldn’t have agreed and extended well!

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I’m so sorry for your loss. I’ve had similar experiences. If not death, illnesses that weren’t necessarily in the cards for them. A cousin who got Parkinson’s, another cousin who got ALS, friends with heart issues now and skin cancer. One died with turbo cancer: one is battling turbo cancer. It’s infuriating.

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Bitsandpieces, sorry to hear of all the illness. I am curious about the person who got ALS. Was he/she vaxxed or previously sick. A very dear friend, early 50's and unvaxxed who eats heathy, excercises, etc was just diagnosed with ALS after 2 years of seeing one specialist after another. Is there any relation to covid or shedding? My friend's health is draining away very quickly. 😪

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It’s interesting that you should ask. My cousin, who was just 70 and otherwise healthy with no illnesses, a vibrant, active, happy man who was vaxxed. And the person I described as having died from Turbo cancer was his father. So sorry about your friend. Very young and not vaxxed is upsetting in and of itself. My cousin started with a weak foot that would give out on him - 6 months ago or more - not sure. Was using a cane, now a walker. Taking meds at $1,000/month to “slow” the progress. Really? from a cane to a walker in a year.

This illness is a slow and insidious one. Awful disease.

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I remember when ALS was considered extremely rare but now I would not consider that to be the case. My brother-in-law died within a year of his diagnosis. I believe that the vaccine (and likely covid as well) has contributed to an increase in the incidence of ALS but I think that there is something else contributing, too. Perhaps diet(FDA recommended low fat diet) related or drug related as in statins etc.

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I think you’re correct. It has to be something introduced into the body by diet or medication or vaccine.

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Since the rollout of these vaccines I have been squawking to anyone who will listen--not many did--that I thought it was idiotic to code the mRNA for the TOXIC part of the virus. I am a veterinarian and we vaccinate A LOT-probably too much. We know all about antigenic stimulation--we see puppers come back with swollen faces after vaccines, occasionally we see full blown anaphylaxis and we understand that this is an over reaction by the immune system. One of the tenants of veterinary vaccination has always been to find a HARMLESS part of a bacteria or virus to stimulate the immune system with. When I heard that they were instructing cells to PRODUCE SPIKE, which everyone agrees is the pathogenic portion of the COVID virus, I thought that was reckless. Why not code for a surface protein that is harmless? And then, to make the vaccine SPIKE such that it can't be degraded like natural SPIKE. It's either absolute stupidity or it was on purpose. I shudder to think we are living out a sci fi novel, but every day it seems more likely that we are.

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And isn't it odd that ALL of those that created a covid vax coded their vax for the toxic part of the virus?

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The original reason for targeting Spike AIUI was to elicit antibodies that would bind to Spike epitopes and thereby interfere with cell entry. No cell entry, no viral infection. But! You are correct that targeting antigens that can't (or don't) evolve easily, like N protein, seems better to me (I'm not a virologist or immunologist). But the N protein isn't well exposed until after infection, so I think the hope was S antibodies would be far better at preventing cell entry and therefore infection. Alas.

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Also, I've read that the spike is the part that is most likely to evolve away from the injected product. The result is that what was injected rapidly becomes useless for providing immune system stimulation to a virus that has evolved to have different epitopes.

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So are you saying it ends up being two different types of spike proteins in the body?

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Yes. The injabbinated end up with the original Wuhan spike that was probably formulated years before the plandemic and maybe tested on Uighers. (The Uigher part is speculation.) Then, they also end up with the spike from catching whatever strain is circulating.

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[tenets, not tenants?]

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One of the things I love about Jeff Childers is that he's open-minded, the first section today and much of yesterdays post show that.

By open-minded I don't mean a willingness to entertain absurd ideas (e.g. men can change into women by putting on a dress), but an understanding that we aren't always right. How many of us reflexively supported the Iraq War since our guy was pushing it? In hindsight it was a disaster in just about every regard and the left was absolutely right in opposing it. They were right for all the wrong reasons, but the fact remains that they were right. We could use some humility.

The Covidians are seeing the same data we are seeing, rejecting the establishment's denial of the data, but drawing the wrong conclusion (the ultimate cause being covid rather than the vax). We have more in common with them that we like to admit. We also share their hysterical mindset in many regards, they think covid will end humanity, we think the vax will. In reality, neither will end humanity. Our waiting for the vaxxed to drop dead is not much different from their waiting for covid to kill everyone.

I know when I post anything critical of Israel there's a group of commenters claiming I've been brainwashed and what I'm saying is evil. Are they Israel shills? No, they are just people who made up their minds about something decades ago and have never really seriously considered any counter-evidence. In other words closed-minded. There's just as much on our side as the other side IMO. We tend to be better behaved in our objections than the left, but aren't much different in our pig-headedness.

Thanks for the series of thought-provoking posts Jeff Childers. You are giving us good stuff to chew on, and challenging our preconceived notions. Many self-appointed "influencers" just feed their readers slop to affirms their biases. Thanks for not doing that. Best wishes in the New Year.

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Love the rest of your post but this left me somewhat perplexed:

“No, they are just people who made up their minds about something decades ago and have never really seriously considered any counter-evidence. In other words closed-minded.”

It sounds like you’ve drawn a conclusion about these people that is based mainly in your own opinions. Couldn’t there be another possibility? Like maybe they had access to different information than you do or have different life experiences that led them to those conclusions and opinions? Why do you assume they’ve not considered any counter evidence? Because they didn’t reach the same conclusions as you did?

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Good point and I should have been clearer on that. When I wrote that I was thinking of a couple of people in particular who respond with a set of thirty-year old talking points. It's clear to me that they formed an opinion long ago, and have never really considered the evidence against it in those thirty years. If they had (and still believed their original opinion) they would have updated their argument.

I should have made the clearer distinction this was a specific example and not a generalization. You are absolutely right in your comment though, and I appreciate it, as we all need to be challenging each other constantly. What has been an eye-opener for me is recognizing how many of the left's arguments regarding "trumptards" really are true. I reject where they end up (the answer being communism/leftism) but recognize there's a real parochialism on our side that is not healthy.

As an example, I see many reflexively support Israel simply because those supporting Palestine often behave terribly and genuinely appear to be nasty people. That's not a good reason frankly. Seems to me much of the vax talk is similar. Of course the vax was a disaster and Bourla behaved criminally (IMO), but there's no good evidence it's a bioweapon or that it's just a matter of time until the vaxxed drop dead. Yet many on our side almost seem to hoping for this. I don't get it other than perhaps it's a subconscious payback for how the vaxxed treated us. But again, it's not healthy.

And you are absolutely right, that I have my own biases shaped by my own experiences. I do try to stay open-minded though, and consider the argument rather than just reacting in anger. One thing does push my buttons though, is that when people use manipulative, bad-faith arguments with false logic. IMO, this is almost always done to advance one's own agenda rather than advancing truth. I see this as really awful behavior as it's emotional manipulation of another human to satisfy one's own desires. There's not much lower IMO, and it always puts me on edge. It sets me off and I need to get it under control.

Edit: deleted something as it was TMI and too personal in hindsight...

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Thank you for your thoughtful and respectful response expanding on your initial comment! Very much appreciated.

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Excellent and balanced. I might even say "reasonable" in the true sense of the word.

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"(IMO), but there's no good evidence it's a bioweapon or that it's just a matter of time until the vaxxed drop dead."

As I read the rest of the comments today I see ample rebuttals to this point. They are not organized as the proofs, but numerous threads that can be researched. I think there is more than good evidence. It makes me think of Margaret Anna Alice - "Mistakes were not made".

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Completely agree mistakes were not made. Clearly there was at best an extremely reckless agenda here (pharma profits above all else) and likely much worse (vax passports as a springboard to a social credit system). Both are devious and frankly wicked. I'm under no illusion that this was a good-faith "botched" response by people who didn't know better.

What I'm specifically referring to is claims about it being a bioweapon and/or that the vaxxed are ticking time bombs. There is no real evidence of either, just wild speculation in that regard. The most plausible bioweapon indication is the presence of SV40 promoter in the Pfizer vax (but not the others) but that is circumstantial and takes several leaps of faith to get there. I know Mike Yeadon suspects it's a bioweapon (and I respect that) but he really doesn't have any proof but is an assumption based on decisions he finds otherwise hard to explain.

The nanobot stuff and graphene oxide claims have almost all come from self-promoters, whose livelihood depends on an audience, with no real hard scientific evidence. People who do have a hard scientific background but are extremely critical of the vax (such as Kevin McKernan and Jessica Rose) view the nanobot-pushers as carnival barkers. Kevin and Jessica are real scientists who have exposed real problems such as the plasmid DNA contamination.

Regarding the vax being a ticking time bomb, the evidence just isn't there. Obviously it is deadly for a small subset of the population. But despite the "died suddenly" cases, the excess deaths per year are still only 0.2% of the population at most (i.e. 1 in 500). This data comes from Ethical Skeptic and is bulletproof. Yes, more are dying than normal, but it's not 10x more, or even 5x more, but 1.2x more. (And that is at most, many countries are 1.1x more or lower). It's tragic and likely criminal, but it is limited. There is no evidence the deaths will accelerate or even continue for that matter.

This is what I mean regarding ill-informed parochialism. There are people out there doing hard-science to get to the bottom of what is going on here. There are also people with wild speculation, with no hard evidence, letting their imaginations get the best of them. I get it as we are facing a pretty big evil here and it has shocked people. But the best way forward is to keep our wits about us, and follow the actual evidence, using the scientific method (as opposed to "the science").

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IDK. I agree we really don’t know if they considered any other positions. I’ve come to realize that they are probably hardwired and don’t want to challenge their beliefs. They usually live in a bubble with others like themselves and they each reinforce the other’s beliefs. If put in a different environment, they may begin to form other opinions. My mother was an example of that. She lived as a staunch Democrat for 103 years until she came to live with us for the next 5 years. She did begin to think more conservatively; it was the environment and conversation.

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It’s true that some people are like this, but I guess I was objecting to the blanket statement in the initial comment that the people with the viewpoint he mentioned (without specifying in that post that he was referring to particular individuals he knew) hadn’t seriously considered other counter evidence. It is hard to be sure of that unless you happen to know someone personally and have a close thigh relationship to discuss these matters in depth and over a period of time. Broad generalizations like these always bother me because there are often too many unverified assumptions.

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It's odd that Jeff speaks of conciliation today but on most other days is in attack mode.

The latter seems more appropriate under the circumstances.

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Perhaps he attacks those whom we know knew better, who lied to the rest of us and covered up their actions that are likely crimes, but wants to persuade those who simply believed those whom we were all taught as children to respect and believe. We need them on our side, the side of facts, of truth, and of justice, and so we should love them as ourselves - tell them the truth in love, not in a way that says, "I was smart and you weren't."

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I love this post and truly admire your objectivity! You've inspired me to work harder on mine!

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Wow, what a nice thing to say, thank you.

It comes from working in an engineering environment my whole life I believe. When we jump to conclusions airplanes crash and bridges collapse (and a lot of other much more mundane, but still bad things). We are constantly asking ourselves, "what can go wrong, what am I missing?" It's how I was trained. Turns out that mindset works well in most areas of life I've found.

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Forgive me for not meeting those that are part of the crusade to murder humanity half way.

Most covidians are indoctrinated to never see the other side. They trust their masters until their last breath.

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Yet you should, as in many cases you are not conceeding to a lie...

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/little-packages-wednesday-december/comment/46103296

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Interesting X post yesterday from Alex Berenson about how the NFL cuts the camera much faster now during field collapses after the Damar Hamlin incident:

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1739383977327387000

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Yes, I’ve noticed that too!

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I'm proud to see I did not notice, because I stopped watching the take the knee league long ago, along with all pro sports. I saw on ESPN at the gym some guy with an African sounding name had his numbered retired from the Boston Celtics after 20 years of playing, and was their all time rebound leader. Not only did I not know him, I'd never heard of him. I lived and breathed all things sports, including the NBA, for most of my life, until I finally realized it was nothing more than the opiate of the masses, and the athletes were often just overpaid brats who looked down on the very people who paid their salaries.

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Yes - and Damar Hamlin remains a healthy (or unhealthy) scratch - please don’t look.

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The only good (that I see) that came from the Hamlin incident was that people prayed on the field AND IT WAS ALLOWED. And shockingly (or not) none of those praying on the field was sued in court.

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I have to agree with the "meet the people still under the narrative halfway" approach. If you can give small agreement to something they said and then drop a "have you considered this" small truth as well, you plant a seed. Enough seeds and something might come to fruition. We all know that many of these people demonized others for not masking, not getting an experimental shot, speaking out against lockdowns, etc. But it's getting harder and harder to ignore the fact that _something_ isn't right. They may think "long covid" or "inert covid" or some such - but it's not right no matter the source and they can see it.

Now if we could just get the hard-core mask pushers to see through those lies.... I still hear "well, they weren't wearing a mask, so they got sick" way too often. Even some people at church regularly don a mask "to protect others" (or maybe to "protect" themselves?). If you're sick or think you are - stay home. I'm still saddened by the many seniors who lived through horrible cold/flu seasons but still think masking somehow now does anything. If it did, they'd have been masking for decades. :(

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On church Christmas morning we were told there are masks if you are interested. BUT the real kicker, we ask that you use the sanitizer when you come up to communion 😳 yeah, I want to eat that crap, let me slather it on then put the host in my hand so I can swallow those chemicals. 🤦🏻‍♀️ needless to say I didn’t comply....

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Drives me crazy when I see people around me in the pews lather up with sanitizer before going up to receive Communion. I mean, do they think Jesus in the Host is contaminated? Are they worried the priest might touch them when placing Communion in their hands? I don't get it.

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I encourage you to take the Eucharist on the tongue.

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Amen, Sister! And kneeling, if physically able.

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Taking the Eucharist on the tongue and kneeling (when able) was one of the best decisions I made. Once during the height of the church covidians pressure to comply I took it in the hand. I got the worse feeling in my soul and I knew Jesus was speaking to my heart. I vowed to never do that again and haven’t. I believe we should all kneel before the King of Kings and be fed like babes.

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I agree. I, also, have vowed to never take Our Lord in the hand again.

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Yep! Already do! (I didn't mention that because I didn't want to turn this into a battle Royale :)). And my one daughter even veils for Mass (I'm still working my way up to that, though I did sing at the Latin Mass for 9 years).

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I veil for Mass whether I’m attending TLM (my parish Church) or any visiting Novus Ordo. In N.O. Churches I’m usually the only one.

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I said to my sister, “aren’t we supposed to fear not because the Lord is with us?” Why is the church pushing this propaganda?!!

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Does the Church actually believe what is written in the scriptures? I think not.

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Yes, the faithful believe. It is those who lack faith who are buying into the evil.

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Periodically (as in, just last week most recently) I check the website of the Presby. Ch. USA to see 'what we believe'. To re-confirm my decision to walk away, now coming on 9 years ago. After 400 years of Calvinism in my ( husband's, too) family.

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Because it is infiltrated with evil.

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Because it’s a contact spread disease. 🙄

Nah, most of the contact diseases, aside from RSV which can live on inanimate surfaces, if I recall correctly, but could be confusing it with rotavirus… anyway, most of the stuff spread by your hands causes vomiting and diarrhea. Not flu.

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Maybe communion in the tongue would be better?

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There are people who are worth being patient with, and there are people who have no desire to here anything. Wisdom is needed.

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I always get pissed off when someone tries to kill me (forced covid death shot).

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Hahaha good point! But knowing that most prescriptions and usual Dr advice is meant to harm or kill in the end. Every snack food made is a farce for health. Every box of cereal, every bottle of pesticides sold so that we can have veggies, every time a Dr not only wanted children vaxxed 30 years ago but prescribed Tylenol with it. What a horrible combination for a child. Every food pyramid that is handed out at the Drs office. When the population as a whole has decided to stop thinking critically and they turn all over to others, they have become slaves without even realizing.

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Yet the Man Made virus is ALSO trying to kill you, and the harms are hidden (wide variety of harm from breaking the complex immune system) for the same reasons, by the same folk.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/little-packages-wednesday-december/comment/46103296

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There is that. I cannot disagree; you caused me to laugh out loud

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There is that. I cannot disagree; you caused me to laugh out loud

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Sorry, only one like per comment!

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Are you barfing a skittles rainbow?

I don’t follow rule well

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I got involved in comments on an article on microsoft news about Ivermectin. It is funny how people against it saying on people for it are MAGA and things of that nature and those kind of attacks. Dosing required not safe for humans, etc. I put in my two cents worth about a gold standard study that has been done commenting to some of those attackers. Microsoft won't let you give the links. When they attacked me with the MAGA stuff, I responded with it was a Gates funded company that did the gold standard study on oral ivermectin proving it was safe and effective for treating Covid. I gave the company name and told them search it and look in their portfolio and you will find the study. Their study is on the government website with everything except study results that it was 97% effective. The fact they did it and submitted it is there though. Even Bill Gates knows it is effective. The motive for the study is to create an intravenous version which I am not sure I would trust and would probably be expensive. The point is a Gates funded study isn't a MAGA thing. A Gates funded company isn't a MAGA thing. That took the breath away from their attacks in my opinion. Dr. Pierre Kory even sited this study when saying it is effective. Gates funds WHO, NIH and many 3 letter organizations, but they all said it was an ineffective drug for Covid even though he funded a company that shows it was. The webs they all weave.

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If they knew Ivermectin was effective for Covid the rollout of the vaccines was criminal. You cannot have a vaccine if there’s an existing treatment. DoD written all over this horrific psy-op. I pray the Lord will roll back some of the evil. Seems like they’re always a few steps ahead and we’re always trying to catch up.

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This was published on PubMed in 2021 a government website. I will give you the title of the article as well. They all knew.

Ivermectin: a multifaceted drug of Nobel prize-honoured distinction with indicated efficacy against a new global scourge, COVID-19

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34466270/

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HCQ too. Chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine for prevention and treatment of COVID‐19 - Singh, B - 2020 | Cochrane Library

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/content?templateType=full&urlTitle=/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD013587&doi=10.1002/14651858.CD013587&type=cdsr&contentLanguage=

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They knew about it in 2003 when SARs was first among us.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16115318/

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2003? I came down with an "atypical pneumonia" then. Though I wasn't tested, they called it "SARS" like. I worked in municipal government and a very ill asian lady came in one day to our counter. My staff was afraid, so I helped her. I wound up in the emergency room unable to breath. Multiple rounds of antibiotics didn't help. I wasted away. I used to be so healthy and energetic, mentally and physically fit, a high altitude long distance backpacker, working full time at one job, also teaching nights, while finishing another degree. But by 2004, I'd never recovered. I had suddenly developed multiple auto immune diseases, weak and so sick. I couldn't work much less get out of bed. I couldn't walk, couldn't think. I basically "died" while still existing. Very very slowly over the last 20 years I had some improvement. I wonder now if Ivermectin or HCQ would help me, this late. No one offered it then.

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That was when we first had SARs. They just named this SARs Covid19 for the year 2019. It is SARs as well. They had studies then that HCQ would work for it. I don't know of any Ivermectin studies during that time. I am not sure what their thinking was with the antibiotics. Corticosteroids would have been more appropriate. They probably thought it was the pneumonia they are seeing now from the injections. I only saw one patient that had to be ventilated that entire time. It was new then and they quickly found things that helped. Somehow this time around all the lessons learned were forgotten by everyone or became misinformation. Have you tried any of the natural products that are being offered now to see how that helps you? You must be very sensitive to the spike. I read a story of a man that died due to shedding from family members due to his sensitivity. He knew and tried to avoid vaccinated people. They say with his sensitivity a vaccine would have killed him for sure, but shedding got him. Very sad story.

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Bingo! Hence the censorship from day 1.

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Do you have the reference to the study link?

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John T, thanks! Early on, good friend threatened with loss of DOD funding if his institution included an IVM arm. Many pre-C articles showing “broad spectrum antiviral activity.”

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Educational article!

"The study, conducted on 399 patients, met its primary efficacy endpoint with a reduction of 75 percent of COVID-19 infection in the group treated with daily oral administration of Ivermectin compared to the placebo group. All participants were unvaccinated adults and had been exposed to the virus within five days of screening after documented close contact with a person who had a PCR-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection. After administering Ivermectin for 28 days, the drug showed acceptable safety and tolerability with zero unforeseen safety signals."

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28 days! That's a heck of a lot of 'mectin. McCullough protocol suggests 8 days?

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“The U.S. government does not review or approve the safety and science of all studies listed on this website.” 😂🤯

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Yes, but companies have to send their studies in to them. Kind of how the government changed the definition of vaccines with the mRNA rollout. Like the Gates funded study that they aren't showing on the website proving Ivermectin is effective. Study is listed, but not the results. Would hurt the narrative. Just like the fact checkers try to say HCQ and chloroquine aren't the same so they aren't effective. Some of us have a medical background and know better. Some of us worked with SARs1 patients and know better.

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The elephant in the room is MedinCell is a Bill Gates funded company. Look at the date when they did their study and when they said don't use Ivermectin for Covid. They still say it.

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Another elephant in the room is that the entire vax operation was a DoD operation from the beginning.

https://sagehana.substack.com/p/how-to-save-the-world

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Yes sugar Gets you more than vinegar. But it’s been three plus years of non stop lies from the medical industrial complex.

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4 years actually.

2020 - 2021 - 2022 - 2023

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Yes. The lies started at the very beginning. They knew from Day One what was happening, who did it and what the results would be. From Day One.

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Gates is in time magazine in November 2019 talking about Covid.

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Yup. March 16 or 17 as I recall.

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Yes..but so deep were the lies for the last three years that many people are just now seeing above the waves. Floating to the top....

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I'm learning a lot about cults and deprogramming. Deprogramming is not quick and expedient as most of us would desire.

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Yes .and Jeff's discussion about narrative was good. Paradigm shift must happen.

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The global warming scam and the Ornish-Atkins debate primed me to not trust government 'experts'.

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While they have us distracted on the fallout from the injections - our bee populations are being exterminated by EMF radiation. No lawsuits will be available when we're all starving. Go hardwired or go home without honey.

Thank you however Jeff for all your hard work. Each of us needs to focus on one thing, and do what we can do.

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🐝🍀🌼🌞🙏true about our poor bees🤓

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I have 12 hives. Best hobby EVER!!!!!!

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Decimated populations of bees and other insects another "benefit" of geoengineering... https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/?s=bees

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I'm astonished that the doctors were allowed to use medicine meant for other illnesses to treat the patient. And then write about the treatment without getting backlash!

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I think it used to be ok, pre-plague, and it was called an “off-label” use? 🤷🏻‍♀️

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These doctors are Chinese, in China. See the authors and the acknowledgement...

"We are grateful to the staff at the Kidney Disease Center of the First Affiliated Hospital of Zhejiang University and the Department of Nephrology of Yiwu Central Hospital for their sincere support."

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Hence the Sinovac.

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Missed that itty bitty detail! Well, if it's OK in China, it should be here! Teeheeheehee

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Yep - I asked others to opine on why the freedom for those authors...

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Good point!! Since ivermectin was not allowed.

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Other medicine. Remdeathivir, sure. So long as it will either kill or make your condition worse. HCQ and Ivermectin, anything else that helps, verboten.

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Sorry to repost, but now my link on Rem has been scrubbed:

Remdesivir causing increased mortality was known pre-C when they tried it for Ebola.

https://www.nejm.org/doe/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1910993

Wow - just copied and searched to be sure I had typed it correctly; "The page you requested was not found" Trust me, it was published…

Remdesivir increased mortality compared to others: A total of 681 patients were enrolled from November 20, 2018, to August 9, 2019, at which time the data and safety monitoring board recommended that patients be assigned only to the MAb114 and REGN-EB3 groups for the remainder of the trial; the recommendation was based on the results of an interim analysis that showed superiority of these groups to ZMapp and remdesivir with respect to mortality.

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This took place innPRC China! “No pfizer/Moderna allowed.”

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