I appreciate what you are saying, but just because scripture has been interpreted a certain way doesn’t make it wrong outright. Teachings handed down to pupils through the generations doesn’t make them wrong. There is still prophecy being unfolded and things falling into place that will indeed fulfill the book of Revelation. The pieces on the board are moving around. And yes, I believe it IS man made. Humans are doing despicable things to each other in the name of all sorts of reasons. I don’t think there is an End Times because God decided that for us. I think whatever unfolds for End Times will be because WE did it….God just foretold it because He already saw the outcome. He knew what free will would produce in the hearts of man. We may not all agree on the interpretation….. and yes I fully understand the correct way to interpret scripture in context and in alignment with all biblical scripture old and New Testament. I do not read much at all from others on their interpretations of scripture. I use the Bible. Period. But I choose carefully who I listen to and discern for very sound biblical teaching using the whole counsel of Gods Word….and their interpretation isn’t just wrong because it fits the generational teachings. If that makes sense.
I’m actually quite wary of people who think they have a new interpretation of scripture. Open to new possibilities but proceed with caution too.
Much of the hoooplah from previous generations was baloney. BUT, who can deny the current world affairs and their relation to actual biblical prophecy about end times. The placement of Israel and Iran, Russia, China and what they are doing. The table is being set. None of that movement happened back in the day. Too much had been unfulfilled. 30 years ago when people were saying “end times” I just turned my head away because it was obviously crap. Now, I’m taking notice. No man knows the day or time of any of it. But we can know the seasons. The seasons could be 10 years long too. So lots of wiggle room about timing.
You wrote, "I appreciate what you are saying, but just because scripture has been interpreted a certain way doesn’t make it wrong outright. Teachings handed down to pupils through the generations doesn’t make them wrong."
I totally agree with this but for totally different reasons. We have 2,000 years of church history to learn from. For 2,000 years the Holy Spirit has been working through the saints that came before us to develop a fuller understanding of the Word of God in the body of Christ. This is our heritage. This is how church doctrine was developed and contains much wisdom handed down from the giants in the faith who came before us. We learn from those who came before.
Unfortunately, the modern church has neglected and forgotten much of this wisdom. Just a review of the historic church's understanding of eschatology would probably be very foreign to the ears of today's Christians. While I agree with the premise of your statement, the fact of the matter is dispensational and premillennial eschatology are not "generational teachings" handed down through church history. They are in fact a modern day invention and are unknown in the historic church.
What I am trying to suggest without being offensive is that these modern "end time doctrines" are in fact not Scripturally sound. I could spend pages discussing this and I have commented on this before though most probably have not seen my comments. Let me just point out a couple of instances for your consideration as you study.
In John's introduction, the first sentence says, "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants, things which must shortly take place..." and ends with "...for the time is near." In the next sentence, he writes, "John, to the seven churches which are in Asia." So God through John is telling the seven churches in Asia of his day that the time is near. I'll just leave it at that. Oh, and at the end of Revelation, Christ reiterates TWICE, "I am coming quickly." Does that mean at the speed of light or is He saying He is coming soon to John's audience?
Just to comment further, Daniel 9:26-27 prophesies the coming of the armies to destroy Jerusalem and the Temple. The parallel passage to Matt 24 and Daniel 9 is Luke 21:20-22 which makes clear the meaning of Matt and Daniel. This is the "abomination of desolation" and, as Luke explains, was to be the armed invasion of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple as God brings the Old Covenant to a close. Jesus said in Matt 24:21, "For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, NOR EVER SHALL BE." The Great Tribulation refers to the destruction of Temple in that generation alone (70 AD), an absolutely unique event in history never to be repeated. I know this is extremely brief but it gives you some ideas to look into.
A consideration of the plain text of scripture without twisting the meaning of the words to make it fit 2,000 years in the future will introduce anyone to a view of God's word that has been neglected in the modern church in favor of more trendy ideas which sell more books.
You are right. This is deliberately human engineered Kill the Lumps public policy UN sourced and delivered throughout the world. Kill Shots were just one part of the program. This is not some mystical visitation on autopilot. Real people are doing this to us ... and real people must be stopped and in my book executed for mass murder.
I'm trying to compose something that address's that exactly. Holding the people behind this PERSONALLY accountable is the only way to break this cabal.
Exactly. The Holy Spirit always answers prayer to open your mind to the Word.
I appreciate what you are saying, but just because scripture has been interpreted a certain way doesn’t make it wrong outright. Teachings handed down to pupils through the generations doesn’t make them wrong. There is still prophecy being unfolded and things falling into place that will indeed fulfill the book of Revelation. The pieces on the board are moving around. And yes, I believe it IS man made. Humans are doing despicable things to each other in the name of all sorts of reasons. I don’t think there is an End Times because God decided that for us. I think whatever unfolds for End Times will be because WE did it….God just foretold it because He already saw the outcome. He knew what free will would produce in the hearts of man. We may not all agree on the interpretation….. and yes I fully understand the correct way to interpret scripture in context and in alignment with all biblical scripture old and New Testament. I do not read much at all from others on their interpretations of scripture. I use the Bible. Period. But I choose carefully who I listen to and discern for very sound biblical teaching using the whole counsel of Gods Word….and their interpretation isn’t just wrong because it fits the generational teachings. If that makes sense.
I’m actually quite wary of people who think they have a new interpretation of scripture. Open to new possibilities but proceed with caution too.
Much of the hoooplah from previous generations was baloney. BUT, who can deny the current world affairs and their relation to actual biblical prophecy about end times. The placement of Israel and Iran, Russia, China and what they are doing. The table is being set. None of that movement happened back in the day. Too much had been unfulfilled. 30 years ago when people were saying “end times” I just turned my head away because it was obviously crap. Now, I’m taking notice. No man knows the day or time of any of it. But we can know the seasons. The seasons could be 10 years long too. So lots of wiggle room about timing.
You wrote, "I appreciate what you are saying, but just because scripture has been interpreted a certain way doesn’t make it wrong outright. Teachings handed down to pupils through the generations doesn’t make them wrong."
I totally agree with this but for totally different reasons. We have 2,000 years of church history to learn from. For 2,000 years the Holy Spirit has been working through the saints that came before us to develop a fuller understanding of the Word of God in the body of Christ. This is our heritage. This is how church doctrine was developed and contains much wisdom handed down from the giants in the faith who came before us. We learn from those who came before.
Unfortunately, the modern church has neglected and forgotten much of this wisdom. Just a review of the historic church's understanding of eschatology would probably be very foreign to the ears of today's Christians. While I agree with the premise of your statement, the fact of the matter is dispensational and premillennial eschatology are not "generational teachings" handed down through church history. They are in fact a modern day invention and are unknown in the historic church.
What I am trying to suggest without being offensive is that these modern "end time doctrines" are in fact not Scripturally sound. I could spend pages discussing this and I have commented on this before though most probably have not seen my comments. Let me just point out a couple of instances for your consideration as you study.
In John's introduction, the first sentence says, "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants, things which must shortly take place..." and ends with "...for the time is near." In the next sentence, he writes, "John, to the seven churches which are in Asia." So God through John is telling the seven churches in Asia of his day that the time is near. I'll just leave it at that. Oh, and at the end of Revelation, Christ reiterates TWICE, "I am coming quickly." Does that mean at the speed of light or is He saying He is coming soon to John's audience?
Just to comment further, Daniel 9:26-27 prophesies the coming of the armies to destroy Jerusalem and the Temple. The parallel passage to Matt 24 and Daniel 9 is Luke 21:20-22 which makes clear the meaning of Matt and Daniel. This is the "abomination of desolation" and, as Luke explains, was to be the armed invasion of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple as God brings the Old Covenant to a close. Jesus said in Matt 24:21, "For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, NOR EVER SHALL BE." The Great Tribulation refers to the destruction of Temple in that generation alone (70 AD), an absolutely unique event in history never to be repeated. I know this is extremely brief but it gives you some ideas to look into.
A consideration of the plain text of scripture without twisting the meaning of the words to make it fit 2,000 years in the future will introduce anyone to a view of God's word that has been neglected in the modern church in favor of more trendy ideas which sell more books.
You are right. This is deliberately human engineered Kill the Lumps public policy UN sourced and delivered throughout the world. Kill Shots were just one part of the program. This is not some mystical visitation on autopilot. Real people are doing this to us ... and real people must be stopped and in my book executed for mass murder.
I'm trying to compose something that address's that exactly. Holding the people behind this PERSONALLY accountable is the only way to break this cabal.
Yes!
You're welcome Eliza! God bless you!