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M VARR's avatar

Maybe we were SUPPOSED to contract measles to prevent Cancer later in our life

and the measle quackzine interfered with God's plan.

Lord only knows the long term side effects and unintended consequences of the chickenpox vaccine...etc...

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TexBat's avatar

Shingles cases in young people have exploded since chickenpox vaxx

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OJen's avatar

Exactly. Getting exposed to your child's chickenpox worked like a "booster shot" to your own immunity. Now that kids don't get chickenpox anymore because of the shots, adults are getting shingles.

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JC in Ak's avatar

I’ve read the same Jen about the boosting by being exposed to our own children. Discovered this when educating myself on vaccines at the start of Covid.

And speaking of shingles, I recall an event where I was approached by a pharmacist when I turned 60 as it was apparently flagged on my account or something. After picking up a prescription she informed me that the CDC recommended the shingles vaccine for people over 60. But my experience with years of living with chronic Lyme disease, had me prepared with a snarky answer. I said “if the CDC recommends it, I sure as H--- don’t want it!”

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OJen's avatar

I love it!

(I've also been on the Lyme/mold path for a while and feel the same way, which was only profoundly confirmed by the covid years!)

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Special Ted's avatar

Do you mind sharing any information or links you have that can educate me about chronic Lyme disease? I got it from a tick years ago, but my local genius doc told me there's no such thing as 'chronic' or 'long-term' effects. I'd beg to differ with him, but he also thinks Ivermectin will kill me, lol.

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JC in Ak's avatar

https://www.lymedisease.org

This should be of help. I used to be in lots of different groups and kept up to date on things but not so good at that anymore.

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LMWC's avatar

My kids, (all in their 40’s), all got chicken pox. I hope they realize it’s give them immunity. I heard they are pushing the shingles shots for people hitting 50 now. I know people who have had the shingles shots and still got shingles, though not as bad the second time. Sound familiar?

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Rebecca's avatar

My grandfather got a shingles shot last year. Two weeks after, he got shingles.

No one in the family thinks this is weird or suspicious.

God, society has gotten dumb.

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Gigi Gummerson's avatar

I got shingles at 17 then again at 20, I am now 62, thought of getting the shingles shot but frankly I’m not interested in ANY shots, flu, pneumonia or shingles. If that’s what kills me, so be it! I say eat well and keep moving!

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Kim's avatar

Yes! Eat well and keep moving are the 2 best things people can do for their health. Sadly, industrialized societies aren't very good about doing either.

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SusanMc's avatar

I did get the 2-part SHINGRIX years ago. Also the single one before that. I’d had shingles before vax came out. It was horrific so I was a perfect candidate for “prevention.” Yes, I had chicken pox as a child. Both of our children had chickenpox. My shingles episode came years later in my early 50’s.

The 2nd shot of SHINGRIX made me feel like I had the flu. Btw, I’m prone to fever blisters.

I take L-Lysine daily plus do not eat peanuts. A Life magazine article umpteen years ago showed a link between peanuts & fever blisters. L-lysine is also recommended in cv19 prevention protocol. TMI

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Annie's avatar

Good choice. L-lysine is the way to go.

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Gram's avatar

Injections are barbaric!!

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

There is a FDA black box warning for developing Guillain-Barre Syndrome from taking the shingles vaccine.

Your doctor won't tell you.

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availability-biologics/fda-requires-warning-about-guillain-barre-syndrome-gbs-be-included-prescribing-information-shingrix

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Gigi Gummerson's avatar

My MIL many years ago developed Gillian Barre when she was in her 60’s...they were baffled as to what it could possible be. Looking back I bet she got a flu shot and they NEVER considered that she’d be hurt by it. I don’t remember any discussion other than what she has done differently, poor woman was plagued by it the rest of her life.

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

My SIL also got GBS but she was in her 40’s at the time. She’s 83 now. She considered all the possibilities. She didn’t get a flu shot but I believe I remember her saying she had an upper respiratory illness (cold) about a week or so previous. She was paralyzed finger tips in to shoulders, toes to hips but didn’t reach her lungs (THANK GOD). Took about 3 months to recover from that but at least 2-3 years before she could walk - with some effort. She still wears braces on her ankles - the muscles never regained full functionality. THIS shingles shot?? No thank you.

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STH's avatar

I stupidly had the shingles shot in 2016 (Zostavax) and a year later got shingles 😖 Antivirals made it a nothing burger. I haven’t had a shot since and I NEVER will.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Very interesting point about one's children boosting the parents. I feel blessed that my young'uns came just a bit too early for the varicella vax. Did have DPT

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Baga's avatar

I had chicken pox as a kid, my girls both had chicken pox as children, and I still got shingles when I was in my forties.

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OJen's avatar

Bummer! It does happen, but the chances are much less if you've been exposed as an adult to chickenpox. Shingles cases in the population have been steadily rising since the chickenpox vax, which of course "they" now cite as a reason why everyone needs the shingles vax. *sigh*

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Queen Hotchibobo's avatar

They’ve gone up among old people too. We used to get chicken pox “boosters” when our kids got sick. Now we just get shingles.

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

I got a shingles shot 10-15 years ago when I still believed in the vaccines. Also, I had lots of upper respiratory allergies including animal danders at that time so I started a course of shots to boost my immune system. Got them for years and I am now allergy free. It always seemed like a plausible idea to give someone a little piece of what ails you and your immunity kicks in to do battle. What happened?

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Michele's avatar

I think that principle is still sound...it is just that there is everything ELSE in the shots, now.

And in addition, I think we a lot of us are realizing that the 'dangers' of some conditions may have been, ehrm, overstated. Like with CONvid.

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Cindy Hart's avatar

Yep.

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M VARR's avatar

sadly I'm not suprised

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Nancy Fahey's avatar

Riding on an airplane with a gal who had three kids, the ride wasn’t long enough to tell me of their ilks...daughter at college had 2 bouts of covid (school mandated it) 25 y/o son has ‘bad’ shingles on face....and on and on....I’ve also been espousing the use of Nattokinese (sp) for my friends who want to maybe starve off blood clots....

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Gram's avatar

Have you seen Watch the Water 1 & 2 on Stew Peters on rumble? Yes! Nicotine gum or patch for anyone with 'post covid vaccine syndrome'!

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Cindy Hart's avatar

Yep !!!

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TexBat's avatar

I have preschoolers. They're completely unvaccinated.

In my circle we have covert CP parties (usually when a mom gets a shingles attack). I haven't partaken yet because every time there's an opportunity I'm pregnant and my midwife says probably not worth the risk (even though my bloodwork shows my natural immunity still going strong!)

But from friends who have partaken the chicken pox parties are a success. Hopefully I'll get that done here in a couple of years. Definitely don't want chicken pox as a teen or adult.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

When you say your youngins are completely unvaxxed, do you mean all vaxxs?

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TexBat's avatar

0 vaccines ever. Not even vitamin k injection

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Wendy's avatar

I was so hoping my kiddos would get CP as youngsters . . . but alas, no. No vax either. What will that mean for them, I wonder?

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JuJu's avatar

I am a 56 years old female so never had the chicken pox vaxx. I never had them as a kid. I was diagnosed with chicken pox at 22, and had less than 20 pox. None on my face. I never felt bad. I was unsure if what I had was really chicken pox or not, but my titre was positive, indicating that I’d had them, recovered, and was protected.

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TexBat's avatar

Hopefully they caught it and had such a mild case they didn’t notice!

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mimi's avatar

Several years ago my SIL got chicken pox from her elderly father who had shingles. It wasn't much fun for her. I think they gave her anti-virals for it.

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Sherry's avatar

When my youngest got chicken pox about 20 years ago the dr had nurses come in to see what they looked like! I never had my kids get that vax.

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TexBat's avatar

That’s nuts. I was born in 1986. I remember getting chicken pox as a kid when I was in 2nd grade. My little brother was a toddler and it was no big deal just a rite of passage

Wild that in my lifetime I saw chickenpox go from routine childhood illness -an inconvenience at worst- to an economic burden (how dare parents parent a sick child for a week!) to dEaDLy/rEpoRtAbLe “vaccine preventable disease)

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KC & the Sunshine's avatar

Looking back at the OLD CDC posts and old

literature they put out, they drone on & on about what a big deal measles and chicken pox are NOT. They basically say, “With measles and chicken pox, you itch, your mom feeds

you soup and ice cream and in about 10 days, you’re perfectly fine.” The old literature is quite telling.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

And ginger ale! That was a bennie of being sick--the only time (save for summer picnics) we ever had soda.

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KC & the Sunshine's avatar

YES! I got a bellyache the other day and to this day, ginger ale makes it better. Idk whether it’s physical or mental but it feels right.

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Karen Bandy's avatar

Ginger is well known for nausea. Great for gerd to. My guess even with a minor illness your tummy feels a little off, thus the ginger ale helps.

We always had 7 up as a treat and ‘medicine’.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Realized just now, that the child of that second pregnancy was the same child who had real car-sickness---we paid 'extra' to have Schweppes in car for her (because Sch contained real ginger).

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KC & the Sunshine's avatar

We now make

our own ginger ale— sorta. We make ginger simple

syrup by zesting a lot of ginger into simple syrup )equal parts sugar & distilled water, boiled and stirred until sugar has dissolved) then letting the ginger steep in the syrup for a few days. We strain out some of the ginger

and add the ginger syrup to fizzy water. SO GOOD!

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

My pregnancies generally went without tummy trouble--but the second was different. I had been making ginger ale anyway, and found I needed to drink one whole fifth (bec we bottled in champagne bottles) each day. It's not just in your mind. Am currently trying to grow my own tubers.

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Seeking Grace's avatar

I let my daughter “paint” her blisters with calamine lotion and a q-tip. She thought it was great fun!

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KC & the Sunshine's avatar

That’s good parenting! Great idea. I’m

59 and I still remember rolling the SILLY PUTTY with Mom’s rolling pin, and it picking up the newsprint from the paper below. I loved watching Dream of Jeanie with her. Kids SHOULD get to be sick for a week now & again.

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Tom's avatar

"Billy said you get to watch TV and eat ice cream all day when you get the Chicken Pops."

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Donna in MO's avatar

RFK Jr in his interview with Joe Rogan said some of the childhood diseases we vaccinate for were primarily dangerous for kids who were malnourished, which weakens the immune system. Although some of the junk diets, lack of exercise and playing outdoors of some kids I suppose could have the same effect. My daughter got the chicken pox, she was in a home daycare and the lady called and said her kids had it, and we had the option of bringing our daughter, or keeping her home. We brought her, mild case and she was over it. But had a friend whose child had a severe case and ended up in the hospital when my son was about 5 (he was born after my daughter had already had it) and the CP shot was out by then so we went ahead and got it for him. If it were today, I would have passed, although he is 29 now and as far as I know no issues with it.

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TexBat's avatar

Check out the NIH description of chickenpox (last I checked they do not routinely vaccinate for chickenpox in the UK) vs CDC

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KC & the Sunshine's avatar

I loved having chicken pox years ago! I got 2-3 things of SILLY PUTTY, fudge pops (a rare thing at our house), and my

mom let me watch tv all day. She played Silly Putty AND dolls with me for a week. I itched. Who cares?!? I loved all the 1 on 1 attention.

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M VARR's avatar

no kids are jabbed with the cpox vaccine

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AJF's avatar

I think so. My generation was purposely exposed to those viruses as children. I never heard of kids dying from them. I don't know how the myth began that these viruses were "deadly"

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KC & the Sunshine's avatar

This theory has been long held by many doctors, researchers and parents.

I SO wish I could post pics of the stacks of books everyone should read. TURTLES ALL the WAY DOWN, Vaccines Myths, is a great start. *Beware! There are 3 books out with that title. Be SURE and get the one that mentions vax myths.

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

Here’s another one: Dissolving Illusions. All about the polio vaccine.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Another was written by John Green--which (he being author) would push a very different agenda. Even though I loved watching his history vids when I discovered youtube in 2007.

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The hatter's avatar

Measles has a very unusual property, it resets the body's immune system. After measles people often contract diseases that they were previously immune to like chickenpox.

Since cancer is a failure of the immune system to recognize dangerous cells it stands to reason that getting the measles would cure the cancer. In essence the immune system isn't attacking the cancer and resetting the immune system's cancer response puts it back on task.

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Nancy Tait's avatar

Thank you for this explanation. I did read about research being done with measles in cancer treatment several years ago. There was an article in our local newspaper. I thought at the time it was exciting news, then I never heard any more about it until now. I might be wrong about where the research was being done, but I would have said it was somewhere in the U.K.

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Crixcyon's avatar

At age 73 and have had neither. But who knows, you may be on to something.

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Politico Phil's avatar

72 here. Born 1950. I can't believe I'm getting nostalgic reading all these comments about childhood illness LOL (I refuse to call it disease). I caught everything: mumps, red measles, German measels (is that like German cockroaches?), chicken pox and every flu that came along. Never harmed me. I think I was only vaccinated for polio, two times, and small pox.

I think you were just asymptomatic. At some point you must have been exposed.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

My parents (of 5 children) couldn’t afford to take us to a doctor unless it was an emergency. So we never got any vaxxes except possibly “oral polio” if they gave it out at school. I don’t recall getting it. And everyone has fortunately been very healthy except one sister who has been a lifelong smoker. Good genes?? Or no vaxxines?

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Gram's avatar

No such thing as asymptomatic carrier... Read:

What Really Makes You Ill by Lester and Parker.

Virus Mania by Engelbrecht

Goodbye Germ Theory by Trebling

Contagion Myth by Cowan

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

I could never understand this thing called “asymptomatic”. I think Dr. Peter McCullough totally denounced that theory. If you don’t have symptoms you can’t be contagious. HOWEVER, I was with a group of friends one evening. When I got home that night, my throat felt kind of scratchy. The next day was the beginning of my Omicron stint. The following day, the gal I sat next to that night began to have the same symptoms. I gave her Omicron. IDK, maybe it depends upon just how asymptomatic you are at the time - just when does the contagion kick in?

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Gram's avatar

You may appreciate the info in Watch the Water - Part 1 and 2.

9M views - https://rumble.com/v10mnew-live-world-premiere-watch-the-water.html

https://rumble.com/v2o3dew-premiere-watch-the-water-2-closing-chapter.html

Covid is not a virus, but a toxin/a poison. Check out how it was originally distributed, plus shedding is real... as the toxin circulates in the body it seeps out in breath, sweat, semen, etc.

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Politico Phil's avatar

I'm with you but it is still confusing. Why does an anti-parasitic medicine like IV work on it?

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Gram's avatar

IV is anti-venom. Watch the videos. watch the Water part 1 and 2.

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

Thanks for the link. I’ll watch it.

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

Speaking of mosquitoes. We just got this announcement yesterday.

“Palm Beach County is set to spray for mosquitos from the air later this week. This is the official announcement of what will happen and when:

The Palm Beach County Division of Mosquito Control will be conducting aerial spraying beginning a half hour after sunset on Wednesday, June 28th, 2023, weather permitting.”

No evening dog walks tonight!

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Credenda's avatar

I hope there’s no connection to the evil Mr. Gates latest project. Zika? Now Malaria? They need to leave genetic manipulation of nature alone. It’s going to backfire. Or maybe that’s the plan?

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M VARR's avatar

Maybe you were exposed to measles as a child and your system fought it off without any symptoms.

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MeeMaw123's avatar

That’s me. My titers were strong but I never had symptoms. Both my brothers did.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Be there with you in just 16 days!

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Gram's avatar

All vaccines interfere with God's plan! God's plan is life-everlasting. Pharma's plan is death and destruction.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Quackzine....that’s a new one to me and I love it!! Perfect! 😂

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M VARR's avatar

hat tip to the author...i thought it was funny too!

So many in the orthodox medical establishment love to call alternative medicine practitioners quacks...they deserve a taste of their own medicine

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Nancy Tait's avatar

Literally.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Another term to add to my stash. Love it.

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moons13's avatar

agreed

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JJ's avatar

my elementary age kids got the pox a few years ago, from a vaccinated kid at school whose family did not recognize it because they assumed he couldn't get it. Neither my spouse nor I, who both had CP as kids, were affected. Despite a few very itchy days, I consider the whole thing a win.

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GoodGrief-239's avatar

Exactly what I was thinking, M VARR

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Butterfly2510's avatar

Very interesting idea!!!!

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

Yup, yup, yup.

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NanaW's avatar

I read an article today that in Britain they are now recommending that children NOT get the chicken pox vax, as the have established a link that shows the vaccine CAUSES shingles outbreaks later in life. That’s the exact opposite of what’s been touted to push it on the children.

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Walt Boyer's avatar

Wonder what the Autism rate is in unvaxed kids compared to the increasing rates of Autism in vaxed kids......

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Why are there no studies about this? Wouldn’t it help to “debunk” the idea that vaxxes are responsible? 🤔 Tells me everything I need to know. IF it would “debunk” this….the pHarma pushers would already have made it widely known.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

The Amish have essentially zero cases of autism. Of course they don't do vaccines. RFK Jr sites it in his book.

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Carol Brizzolara's avatar

Steve Kirsch also has stats on autism from pediatric practices that don’t vaccinate. The only autism cases are in kids who have it already when they come into to practice. It isn’t just the Amish.

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Nancy Tait's avatar

Thank you for mentioning Steve Kirsch! I'm a big admirer of his work.

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Carol Brizzolara's avatar

Sometimes he is a little over the top, but I love how much he wants questions answered and to debate others and to simply hear and know the truth!

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M VARR's avatar

The Amish also don't have legions of "special ed professionals" whose bread is buttered $$$ every time the definition of autism is changed to bring more kids into special ed programs.

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Seeking Grace's avatar

Tried to tell a family member about Dr. Paul Thomas’s study comparing number office visits/diagnoses between unvaxxed, vaxxed on his schedule, and vaxxed on the CDC schedule. Got accused of questioning their judgment about how to raise their children (well? If the shoe fits 😬🤷🏻‍♀️) and told it couldn’t possibly be a valid sample because they were all in his practice. What?! It caused a painful, temporary rift in the relationship. Healed now, but I’m not sure I can ever say anything else, even though I’m dying for them to read “Turtles All the Way Down.” So I pray 🙏🏻

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Politico Phil's avatar

Yeah, it's amazing how people are suddenly expert statisticians when you talk about a study like this...and I was trained in statistics but that doesn't count, apparently.

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kr's avatar

I understand... rifts with many friends over the darn Covid shot!!!!

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Annie's avatar

Amongst the Amish, autism is rare. Hmm. Wonder why. Tptb don't like large control groups.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Though I understand there are some issues with intellectual disabilities due to the shallowness of the genetic pool they swim in being such a minority to find mates in.

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cat's avatar

I seem to recall somewhere there are stats re autism among the Amish. They don't vaccinate their children.

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Mark St's avatar

There was a massive Danish study released in 2019 about autism and the MMR vax:

"The study involving 657,461 Danish children born between 1999 and 2010 found no evidence that vaccines increased the risk of autism"

That's the "case closed" for the pro vax side. However, it doesn't address a few questions in my mind.

What are the overall rates of autism for that population compared to the 1980s? Up, down, the same?

The study only looked at MMR, not any of the other vaccines. What are those results? What about other long term side effects?

Norman Fenton showed how simple it is to make a placebo look 95% effective, depending on how the data is compiled.

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