Oh c'mon that's not that common. You are probably a family of one in a million that does that. If you are choosing to speak a different language out in public then be prepared bro be judged . And what do you care anyway what people think ? Apparently you don't , so don't be telling others what not to assume. You set yourself and your fam…
Oh c'mon that's not that common. You are probably a family of one in a million that does that. If you are choosing to speak a different language out in public then be prepared bro be judged . And what do you care anyway what people think ? Apparently you don't , so don't be telling others what not to assume. You set yourself and your family up for it by simply not speaking English in public. Just sayin.
Um you’d be wrong, I am very connected to bilingual communities and it’s far more common than it was even 20-30 years ago. And really? I set myself up? You clearly know nothing about what it takes to support a bilingual child’s language learning. I don’t care what people think but I do object to someone equating speaking another language to being an illegal immigrant 🙄 That is totally simplistic. All I am saying is, don’t jump to conclusions without additional evidence. Why is that so hard? I think that is one of the problems of our society, people love jumping to conclusions before they know the whole story.
I agree with you. There is nothing wrong with calling on people to NOT jump to conclusions. I am all for securing the southern border. At the same time, I welcome legal immigrants here. We have several legal immigrant families in our neighborhood, and they are all such lovely people. America is a melting pot and always has been. It is sad to see Americans become extremists and hateful, instead of keeping cool heads and kind hearts.
It’s not unkind to want to protect your culture and heritage which is now being degraded and destroyed. We weren’t always a “melting pot.” It wasn’t so easy to become an American in the past.
Of course it is not unkind to protect our culture and heritage. You misunderstood my meaning. But America has had the culture of melting pot since it's beginning when Europeans came here for religious freedom. And it has continued. Immigration should be done legally! I am completely opposed to Biden's policy of letting in illegals! Furthermore, who is it that is really degrading our culture and heritage? Isn't it the extreme leftist policies of our own "President", et al, who are destroying our history, Constitution, freedoms and rights, including the legal process to become an American?
Yes! Indeed. The same in many other countries and regions. Being bilingual does not mean you can’t belong to or identify with the broader culture. And there is much less stigma about it generally speaking than there was maybe fifty years ago. Lots of people now recognize the advantages of bilingualism and understand that it doesn’t automatically mean people don’t want to integrate otherwise. But there are still a lot of misconceptions as certain comments today have demonstrated.
Real Americans speak English. That’s the language the founders of this country spoke. It was a mistake to allow immigrants in that don’t assimilate and make English their primary language. It’s what is dragging America down to craphole territory. If people want to speak the language of their mother country they should move back there.
One of my Polish grandmothers, who immigrated to the US, loved this country and raised her 11 children to be Americans. They became lawyers, doctor, teachers, secretaries. She, however, could not seem to acquire the new language; it was too difficult for her. She was content to live in the Polish culture, but she loved to try speaking words from Bonanza, her favorite show.
Not all have the ability to learn, fluently, another language.
I'm trying to say that you have as little right to try to control or suggest what people should think as I would to tell anyone how to speak in public . You do you and everyone will think whatever they want.
Lol I’m not trying to *control* anything 🙄 I’m just making a point that using limited information to reach a conclusion can be misleading. I’m not sure why my suggesting an alternative way of looking at things or cautioning not to hastily draw conclusions is controlling 🙄 It’s in the same vein as not assuming when you hear someone with a southern accent that they’re an ignorant hick. You are free to do what you want, though. If you want to make erroneous assumptions based on limited information and seem uninformed then you are of course have every right to do so. I’m just putting this out to people who might like to hear other perspectives, which doesn’t seem to apply to you so not sure why you’re so upset about it 🤷♀️
We are being invaded right now so I look at things a bit differently than I did a few years ago. Because of that , I find I am more concerned and notice more. To be frank , I do not go around making assumptions etc. My point was more about being told how I should think about what I see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears when I am out and about . Times are very different now.
I get that sensitivity to this new situation but I disagree that I told anyone how to think. I just politely (I started my sentence with “please” for goodness’ sakes!) requested that people might want to consider another possibility as a reason people in public could be speaking a foreign language together. That’s all. I’m really not sure quite how you got “controlling” and “being told how to think” out of that. You are free to jump to conclusions as much as you like or use whatever information you have to decide what to think, I don’t really care. I just personally prefer a more rational analysis and less knee jerk emotional response and thought others might appreciate a different perspective as well. If you don’t, fine, just scroll on by 🤷♀️
Funny because I see your need to suggest how people should perceive your speech out in public as being the knee jerk, emotional , reaction. You obviously assumed what people think about your language and felt a strange need to educate the masses , lol. Bye bye , now.
My “need to suggest how people should perceive”?? No I’m not telling them how they must perceive it, again only offering another possible explanation and saying further information might be needed in order to draw conclusions.
I didn’t assume, I just see these kinds of comments a lot so clearly some people ARE actually thinking this. It’s unfortunate that you see a simple attempt to address this assumption and offer an alternative explanation as an attempt to control people’s thoughts (or condescendingly “educate the masses” not sure where that came from 😆). I am honestly surprised at how vitriolic your reaction to my simple statement was. I didn’t realize it was so controversial to offer up a potential alternative explanation and state that it might be better not to immediately jump to conclusions based on one observation.
Also contrary to your supposition it’s not actually “my” language so there’s that…
🤣😂 Oh my word,, I think it’s hilarious that you’re saying *I’m* touchy! 😆 When you rant about my trying to “control” you based on a simple observation and offering up of a different perspective. I’d just say let’s agree to disagree, and leave it at that, but I’m afraid you might find it controlling of me to suggest such a thing based on your other comments.
I never ranted . Nows the time to be more aware of our surroundings. We are in serious trouble in America. So yeah I will certainly agree to disagree with you.
Well, I do think it's more common to retain one's native language than it was a generation or 2 ago, and it's a good thing. My great grandparents were immigrants from what is now the Czech Republic. My grandparents and their siblings were never taught Czech, and my grandparents never cooked any Czech dishes. I didn't think to ask, they've been gone for 40 years now, but only learned of Czech food when we started going to different ethnic festivals. A good friend's mom was born in Italy, met her dad when he was stationed there in the Army, got married and moved to the US. She still gets together with friends from Italy for card games every Sat night and they all speak Italian, but she never taught the language to my friend or her siblings. I asked her why once, and she said, what's the point? She does cook some great Italian food though! Bottom line for me - I think it's good to retain your language - where I draw the line is when these groups insist that they be accommodated in their native language. I recently read that a local school district (KC) has hired a bunch of translators to accommodate parental notifications and communications, and that the primary hospital that provides indigent (uninsured) care has had to do the same.
See, that is a bit of a conundrum. Especially as regards health care. If a patient doesn’t understand what the provider is saying, how can there be informed consent? And how can the care be appropriate if the doctor and patient can’t communicate? Plus it opens up the hospital to potential liability if there is a miscommunication. So maybe the non English speaker should be responsible for getting an interpreter? What if a person doesn’t have the means to pay for one? In the past, people’s children or friends or relatives would serve as interpreters but there are huge problems with that. There are potential conflicts of interest (relatives have been known to purposely withhold information or change the meaning of what was said), these people don’t necessarily know the medical terminology in both languages so that opens up a whole host of potential issues, and minor children should NEVER be put in the position that they have to be a party to and bear responsibility for their parents’ medical care. This is not going to the store for clothes or groceries. So what do you do? Even people who are trying to learn English, if they haven’t been here very long might not understand medical terms. They might be able to get by in English, even, but it is really likely they would misunderstand or miscommunicate in these situations especially in more stressful emergency situations or serous medical problems like cancer or an autoimmune disease. So yes, I get the frustration with the cost and provision of these services but what is the alternative?
As for schools, I have mixed feelings about this. There are confidentiality issues and terminology that make a professional interpreter a better choice, but in many ways it does seem like the parents and school officials should just figure it out like they used to do. I guess the idea is it’s easier to support learning and discipline when the communication is smoother though.
My problem is not so much the interpreters, I guess, its just one more line item in budgets that are out of control, and if we push back against any of it, we are told we are xenophobic, racist, whatever. Not totally new, I remember reading an article back when my kids were in HS in the Obama years that said Garden City KS (western KS, meatpacking plants) school district had 35 languages spoken! Part of a controversy in KS at the time over 'underfunding schools' (which has been the mantra everywhere as long as I can remember - it's never enough). So multiply that cost by every school, every hospital, every government service. Somewhere, there is a tipping point where the cost of helping assimilate 13? million or more new residents starts to strain budgets, services to existing citizens, and our tax bill. Our property tax bill (~65% of which goes to schools) went up $1200 this December. Insult to injury when every other bill is going up and we had to dip into savings to pay the tax bill. We are lucky we have savings, some people are either going to have to sell or lose their homes because they can't pay the huge increases. And yet, the county is putting another tax on the ballot in April....and these so called refugees are also getting gov't checks, taxpayer funded services, and potentially voter ID's.
Oh yes I completely get where you’re coming from on that score and agree with your sentiments. The flood of non English speaking immigrants including children, must be stopped.
Oh c'mon that's not that common. You are probably a family of one in a million that does that. If you are choosing to speak a different language out in public then be prepared bro be judged . And what do you care anyway what people think ? Apparently you don't , so don't be telling others what not to assume. You set yourself and your family up for it by simply not speaking English in public. Just sayin.
Um you’d be wrong, I am very connected to bilingual communities and it’s far more common than it was even 20-30 years ago. And really? I set myself up? You clearly know nothing about what it takes to support a bilingual child’s language learning. I don’t care what people think but I do object to someone equating speaking another language to being an illegal immigrant 🙄 That is totally simplistic. All I am saying is, don’t jump to conclusions without additional evidence. Why is that so hard? I think that is one of the problems of our society, people love jumping to conclusions before they know the whole story.
I agree with you. There is nothing wrong with calling on people to NOT jump to conclusions. I am all for securing the southern border. At the same time, I welcome legal immigrants here. We have several legal immigrant families in our neighborhood, and they are all such lovely people. America is a melting pot and always has been. It is sad to see Americans become extremists and hateful, instead of keeping cool heads and kind hearts.
It’s not unkind to want to protect your culture and heritage which is now being degraded and destroyed. We weren’t always a “melting pot.” It wasn’t so easy to become an American in the past.
Of course it is not unkind to protect our culture and heritage. You misunderstood my meaning. But America has had the culture of melting pot since it's beginning when Europeans came here for religious freedom. And it has continued. Immigration should be done legally! I am completely opposed to Biden's policy of letting in illegals! Furthermore, who is it that is really degrading our culture and heritage? Isn't it the extreme leftist policies of our own "President", et al, who are destroying our history, Constitution, freedoms and rights, including the legal process to become an American?
People in Montreal have been bilingual for maybe two centuries. Ditto Hull, across the river from Ottawa. Ditto cities in New Brunswick.
Yes! Indeed. The same in many other countries and regions. Being bilingual does not mean you can’t belong to or identify with the broader culture. And there is much less stigma about it generally speaking than there was maybe fifty years ago. Lots of people now recognize the advantages of bilingualism and understand that it doesn’t automatically mean people don’t want to integrate otherwise. But there are still a lot of misconceptions as certain comments today have demonstrated.
Real Americans speak English. That’s the language the founders of this country spoke. It was a mistake to allow immigrants in that don’t assimilate and make English their primary language. It’s what is dragging America down to craphole territory. If people want to speak the language of their mother country they should move back there.
One of my Polish grandmothers, who immigrated to the US, loved this country and raised her 11 children to be Americans. They became lawyers, doctor, teachers, secretaries. She, however, could not seem to acquire the new language; it was too difficult for her. She was content to live in the Polish culture, but she loved to try speaking words from Bonanza, her favorite show.
Not all have the ability to learn, fluently, another language.
Speaking another language doesn’t mean you can’t or don’t speak English.
The US has no official language, and several different languages
were spoken during the founding of the US.
I'm trying to say that you have as little right to try to control or suggest what people should think as I would to tell anyone how to speak in public . You do you and everyone will think whatever they want.
Lol I’m not trying to *control* anything 🙄 I’m just making a point that using limited information to reach a conclusion can be misleading. I’m not sure why my suggesting an alternative way of looking at things or cautioning not to hastily draw conclusions is controlling 🙄 It’s in the same vein as not assuming when you hear someone with a southern accent that they’re an ignorant hick. You are free to do what you want, though. If you want to make erroneous assumptions based on limited information and seem uninformed then you are of course have every right to do so. I’m just putting this out to people who might like to hear other perspectives, which doesn’t seem to apply to you so not sure why you’re so upset about it 🤷♀️
We are being invaded right now so I look at things a bit differently than I did a few years ago. Because of that , I find I am more concerned and notice more. To be frank , I do not go around making assumptions etc. My point was more about being told how I should think about what I see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears when I am out and about . Times are very different now.
I get that sensitivity to this new situation but I disagree that I told anyone how to think. I just politely (I started my sentence with “please” for goodness’ sakes!) requested that people might want to consider another possibility as a reason people in public could be speaking a foreign language together. That’s all. I’m really not sure quite how you got “controlling” and “being told how to think” out of that. You are free to jump to conclusions as much as you like or use whatever information you have to decide what to think, I don’t really care. I just personally prefer a more rational analysis and less knee jerk emotional response and thought others might appreciate a different perspective as well. If you don’t, fine, just scroll on by 🤷♀️
Funny because I see your need to suggest how people should perceive your speech out in public as being the knee jerk, emotional , reaction. You obviously assumed what people think about your language and felt a strange need to educate the masses , lol. Bye bye , now.
My “need to suggest how people should perceive”?? No I’m not telling them how they must perceive it, again only offering another possible explanation and saying further information might be needed in order to draw conclusions.
I didn’t assume, I just see these kinds of comments a lot so clearly some people ARE actually thinking this. It’s unfortunate that you see a simple attempt to address this assumption and offer an alternative explanation as an attempt to control people’s thoughts (or condescendingly “educate the masses” not sure where that came from 😆). I am honestly surprised at how vitriolic your reaction to my simple statement was. I didn’t realize it was so controversial to offer up a potential alternative explanation and state that it might be better not to immediately jump to conclusions based on one observation.
Also contrary to your supposition it’s not actually “my” language so there’s that…
Gosh you are touchy. Glad you found that funny though . Good day.
🤣😂 Oh my word,, I think it’s hilarious that you’re saying *I’m* touchy! 😆 When you rant about my trying to “control” you based on a simple observation and offering up of a different perspective. I’d just say let’s agree to disagree, and leave it at that, but I’m afraid you might find it controlling of me to suggest such a thing based on your other comments.
I never ranted . Nows the time to be more aware of our surroundings. We are in serious trouble in America. So yeah I will certainly agree to disagree with you.
Limited hangout
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Well, I do think it's more common to retain one's native language than it was a generation or 2 ago, and it's a good thing. My great grandparents were immigrants from what is now the Czech Republic. My grandparents and their siblings were never taught Czech, and my grandparents never cooked any Czech dishes. I didn't think to ask, they've been gone for 40 years now, but only learned of Czech food when we started going to different ethnic festivals. A good friend's mom was born in Italy, met her dad when he was stationed there in the Army, got married and moved to the US. She still gets together with friends from Italy for card games every Sat night and they all speak Italian, but she never taught the language to my friend or her siblings. I asked her why once, and she said, what's the point? She does cook some great Italian food though! Bottom line for me - I think it's good to retain your language - where I draw the line is when these groups insist that they be accommodated in their native language. I recently read that a local school district (KC) has hired a bunch of translators to accommodate parental notifications and communications, and that the primary hospital that provides indigent (uninsured) care has had to do the same.
See, that is a bit of a conundrum. Especially as regards health care. If a patient doesn’t understand what the provider is saying, how can there be informed consent? And how can the care be appropriate if the doctor and patient can’t communicate? Plus it opens up the hospital to potential liability if there is a miscommunication. So maybe the non English speaker should be responsible for getting an interpreter? What if a person doesn’t have the means to pay for one? In the past, people’s children or friends or relatives would serve as interpreters but there are huge problems with that. There are potential conflicts of interest (relatives have been known to purposely withhold information or change the meaning of what was said), these people don’t necessarily know the medical terminology in both languages so that opens up a whole host of potential issues, and minor children should NEVER be put in the position that they have to be a party to and bear responsibility for their parents’ medical care. This is not going to the store for clothes or groceries. So what do you do? Even people who are trying to learn English, if they haven’t been here very long might not understand medical terms. They might be able to get by in English, even, but it is really likely they would misunderstand or miscommunicate in these situations especially in more stressful emergency situations or serous medical problems like cancer or an autoimmune disease. So yes, I get the frustration with the cost and provision of these services but what is the alternative?
As for schools, I have mixed feelings about this. There are confidentiality issues and terminology that make a professional interpreter a better choice, but in many ways it does seem like the parents and school officials should just figure it out like they used to do. I guess the idea is it’s easier to support learning and discipline when the communication is smoother though.
My problem is not so much the interpreters, I guess, its just one more line item in budgets that are out of control, and if we push back against any of it, we are told we are xenophobic, racist, whatever. Not totally new, I remember reading an article back when my kids were in HS in the Obama years that said Garden City KS (western KS, meatpacking plants) school district had 35 languages spoken! Part of a controversy in KS at the time over 'underfunding schools' (which has been the mantra everywhere as long as I can remember - it's never enough). So multiply that cost by every school, every hospital, every government service. Somewhere, there is a tipping point where the cost of helping assimilate 13? million or more new residents starts to strain budgets, services to existing citizens, and our tax bill. Our property tax bill (~65% of which goes to schools) went up $1200 this December. Insult to injury when every other bill is going up and we had to dip into savings to pay the tax bill. We are lucky we have savings, some people are either going to have to sell or lose their homes because they can't pay the huge increases. And yet, the county is putting another tax on the ballot in April....and these so called refugees are also getting gov't checks, taxpayer funded services, and potentially voter ID's.
Oh yes I completely get where you’re coming from on that score and agree with your sentiments. The flood of non English speaking immigrants including children, must be stopped.