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Solzhenitsyn’s Ghost's avatar

Well offered. That said, it's better to pass a bill and then amend/replace/strengthen it later through efforts and outcry than to leave things as status quo disaster that they are now.

As Jeff pointed out, the real battle here is not what meets the eye. It is about unjustly demonizing and disingenuously discrediting DeSantis. If the bill dies, the bad guys most certainly win. Think of Franklin, Jefferson and Washington and what they would advocate.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Bingo. While I fully agree and compliment those above who are pulling on the "loose strings" of SB 252, we on the Right need to use Incrementalism as a powerful political force. Long used by the Left, the incremental approach is very powerful to effect change.

As just one example, look how quickly we moved from "Love is love" to "What's wrong with letting homosexuals who love each other get married?" to "Shut up and bake the cake, bigot" to "We have 52 genders and you can change them at will from the time you're a 3 year old."

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes. This. I agree that flaws need to be pointed out and fixed if possible but doing nothing is worse. And the incrementalism of the left certainly worked for them so we should not be afraid to use it either. It’s funny, conservatism used to be defined as advocating for slow not radical change and I definitely get the sense of urgency about these issues but slower change is generally more effective and durable.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Trust me, it’s not like that thought hasn’t been had before. The enemy uses it to pacify with great affect.

And Charlie Brown keeps trying to kick Lucy’s football and will until he’s dead.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Point taken but radical change never seems to really stick and almost always has adverse unforeseen consequences. I definitely don’t think we should stand by and do nothing but we keep waiting for things to be perfect and no one agrees on what that is so then we get nothing at all. I think THAT is kicking Lucy’s football.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Yeah, well, I’ve been watching this slow motion train wreck and for some reason that incrementalism only goes one way. Following the money, I’m sure.

We can tell ourselves we’ll eat this crap sandwich now because steak with all the trimmings is around the corner. Nope.

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Politico Phil's avatar

I'm afraid you are exactly right: incrementalism only goes one way. This stage is being managed by MONEY. All the money is coming from the NWO with their massive money printing via their central banks and the BIS. The Republican party is the RINO half of the Uniparty and they are happily NWO enablers as long as the Neo-conservatives are unhampered in their foreign wars for empire. Tell me I'm wrong!

The few true conservatives are a fringe element in the Rep party that is tolerated by throwing them a few scraps for window dressing. And while the American conservative populist movement is placated with these scraps, the NWO/WHO agenda continues unhampered behind the scene. It is time to wake up and recognize that we are being manipulated through misdirection and deception. It's a magicians trick. The overlords do not care what we do as long as in the final analysis they have the ability to lower the hammer. If DeSantis' promise to defend Floridians is being compromised by his presidential campaign and the necessary deals he has to make with the corporate world (Big Pharma) to get their backing, then he should drop his current presidential efforts and devote 100% of his Governorship to blockading the WHO/NWO agenda in Florida and set the example for the other conservative governors.

The American populist movement (which is the only bonifide American movement) has only one leader that is true outlier to our traitorous Uniparty system and that leader is "The Don" Trump. If we have any chance of fighting the Marxist/Satanic NWO back (and that's assuming a lot), it's going to be lead by Trump and supported by the Red States and their Governors who will commit to having his back. DeSantis, as the Nation's Governor, must be positioned to lead these states in this war with the NWO.

I give our chances winning at only 20%. But the first American revolutionaries won with smaller odds than that, so take heart. But bear in mind, the Second American revolution failed in their attempt to right the ship of state in the 1860's which is why we find ourselves where we are.

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Politico Phil's avatar

After talking this over with my buddy, I realized I left out a very important part - the why, which I'll address through a couple of questions. Who controls the NWO? Forget Schwab and Soros and Gates. They are clowns. The NWO is controlled by the British Crown, the Rothschild family and the Vatican. Their legacy goes back centuries. These overlords control the Bank for International Settlements which controls all the world's central banks and thus the world's money supply. How are they controlling America? This European centered oligarchy installed a Nazi/Marxist regime which took over the Federal Gov't in the almost bloodless election coup of 2020. The only threat to their plans is the American populist movement which is an organic coalition of traditional and patriotic Americans. You and me. This movement has one representative, Donald Trump. He is the ONLY leader on the national stage who is an outlier to the Uniparty and the RINO Rep party. The only one who is separate and, most importantly, independent from them. To defeat the populist movement, their tactic will be to divide and conquer. We are already seeing this. They will attempt to use DeSantis to capture the Republican nomination thus dividing the American populist movement and denying the nomination to Trump. Even if DeSantis plans to turn on the NWO once in office, he will not win the election because the Marxist regime controls the balloting process and will install whatever Marxist candidate the Democratic party nominates. This is why in my earlier comment I said that DeSantis should drop out of the presidential race and focus his efforts where he has the most leverage as Florida's governor to take the fight to the NWO without compromise. By doing this, DeSantis can endorse Trump for office and unite Americans in the populist movement into one unstoppable force.

This is the one thing the NWO overlords fear. To win, they must divide us. Trump is the only one with the independence, motivation and, after seeing what the RINOs and neo-conservatives did to his administration, the only one with the knowledge to lead the American populist movement revolt against the NWO. Furthermore, should Donald Trump be prevented from running for office, he can endorse one of his kids to run. Above all, the NWO fears the ability of Trump to unite Americans in opposition to their agenda. This is why they are fanatical about destroying him. They HAVE to divide Americans in order to subjugate us.

Take note what Trump said about Carlson's influence in this link:

https://lafayette24.substack.com/p/the-last-dissident-in-the-corporate?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

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Jeff C's avatar

Agree. I fail to see how enacting a law with possible future loopholes that may (stress may) be abused is worse than no law. It's rejecting something good as it's not perfect based on a lot of hypothetical scenarios.

Unless the law has something in it that forbids it from ever being amended or strengthened then what's the problem? How is having nothing better?

I have not been following this closely but based on Jeff's description the opposition smells bad. It's either people caught up in the whole Trump-DeSantis feud or just the typical ideologues who cannot admit half a loaf is better than none. Battles are won incrementally, that's just the way things work (and which the left understands perfectly).

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It doesn't take Sherlock's avatar

I was talking the other day to a family member. I said "Imagine if they had taken just a few more days or weeks to get the 1st and 2nd Amendments even clearer. Think of all the good that could have done." Just a couple extra clauses, things that many of the founders wrote about at the time of the Constitution, would have avoided all the trouble the people who want to disarm Americans, make people think 'separation of church and state' are 'hidden in the 1st, etc., continue to do to society. They left us an amendment process, but people were ready to move on. The Bill of Rights writers assumed too much. They thought people would always know what was written in them. Now, this bill doesn't rise to the level of the Bill of Rights, but it is defining limits of actions of government and officials at multiple layers. I don't mind waiting another month so that the language can be tweaked. Use the political capital.

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