Over 30,000 scientists, with over 9,000 PHDs, signed the Oregon petition debunking CC. (Edited for Andre and his distinction without a difference in his below comments)
The NIPCC ( Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change ) with references to hundreds of published papers, likewise effectively debunked the scam, along with a European petition that had over 10,000 signatures. The web site CO2 science also, through peer reviewed literature effectively demonstrates the massive benefits of increased CO2.
So the answer is that no, they will ever claim a consensous regardless of facts.
I'm remembering his arrogant comment about flying commercial...."People LIKE ME can't fly commercial" or some such. Well, perhaps now people like HIM will finally be out of work. One can hope....
I've been following the Global Warming Petition Project for 2 decades. A 12-page review article about the human-caused global warming hypothesis is circulated with the petition which can be found here.
It appears that you invented the "30,000 PhD scientists." I can find it nowhere on the link you provided. I did find "tens of thousands of others"—which could be carpet cleaners for all we know since there is no citation.
It is there, and here is the direct link, zero exaggeration. Sorry you missed it.
(I tend to understate, it is actually over 31,000 signatoures.)
"Of the various petitions on global warming circulated for signatures by scientists, the one by the Petition Project, a group of physicists and physical chemists based in La Jolla, California, was distributed just within the US and 31,487 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,029 with PhDs. Other European papers have additional thousands of signatures from those skeptical scientists.
When the scientists skeptics wish to demonstrate that there is a strong scientific community of thousands of PHD scientist who reject the theory of CAGW, unlike the 97% studies, they do it correctly. The scientific position of the vast majority of CAGW skeptics is clearly outlined by Physicist Frederick Seitz, past President of the US National Academy of Sciences and of Rockefeller University. He received the National Medal of Science, the Compton Award, the Franklin Medal, and other awards. He wrote the Petition cover letter these scientists signed. It goes to the heart of the matter…
“We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.
There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.” (The Petition project references hundreds of peer reviewed reports supporting their position.)"
In that you are correct, hower with the European petition, plus the CO2 science pedition, it is pretty much there, plus the other signatories are credentialed, and PHD is somewhat overrated. At any rate, glad you found the link, and hopefully you saw how, like the entire CAGW alarmist "science", incredibly flawed the "consensous" claims are.
I'm quite sure that these numbers are inflated with anyone who wanted to sign it, whether they are radiologists, structural engineers or the others I found on the other list.
Heck, I might find my local mechanic signed it.
And saying the are 9,000 PhD doesn't mean much if they have PhDs in fields that have nothing to do with the climate.
The whole thing is designed to be propaganda, not valid statements. If they wanted them to have weight, they would have put them together with integrity. As it is they are sucking you into believing there is validity to them.
Well, I am pleased after numerous hints you found the citation, and even more pleased that after reading the Global Warming post you have zero criticism other then meaningless blather about your mechanic
The only ones exaggerating here are the proponents like yourself of the human-caused global warming hypothesis. But of course that is how the Left operates: Accuse those you are attacking of the very actions you are guilty of.
Let me get this straight. Because David made the mistake of saying "30,000 PhD scientists" instead of saying 30,000 scientists and PhDs when he referenced the Oregon petition, that means he willfully "lied" and the whole Petition is bogus? LOL... Anyone who took 2 minutes to read the Petition would realize the simple mistake he made.
And then you accused me of lying, 'Thank you for admitting that you made this up: "30,000 PhDs."' Why don't you go read the Petition, the accompanying 12 page review letter and the hundreds of peer-reviewed reports supporting it for yourself. Then you can intelligently interact with the position itself rather than trying to base your silly critique on an ad hominem attack. Of course, that assumes you even have the intellectual capability to think through the Petitions basis in facts. Personally, I have my doubts and do not expect to hear back from you in any intelligent manner.
Man made climate change is a hoax! Just like covid! Do you realize it took at least 6000 gallons of diesel and dozens of child slave laborers to make that electric car your so proud of?
Many people are ignorant of the problem of disposal of spent nuclear fuel rods. They degrade incredibly slowly and there is no safe place to secure them until they are no longer radioactive.
Of the various petitions on global warming circulated for signatures by scientists, the one by the Petition Project, a group of physicists and physical chemists based in La Jolla, California, was distributed just within the US and 31,487 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,029 with PhDs. Other European papers have additional thousands of signatures from those skeptical scientists.
Just like this fake list, I doubt very much it's 30,000 PhD scientists. See my comment above for how they pad these lists. You'll find radiologists, structural engineers, finance people and lots of other padding by the desperate organizers.
Why don't you actually read the citations you provide before offering them as proof? It would make you look less silly.
If you did, you'll find these ridiculous entries:
• Peter Champness, Radiologist
• Charles Camenzuli, Structural Engineer specializing in Remedial Work, Catcam Group, Sydney
• József Balla, retired teacher and manager of a small business
• Gordon Batt, Director GCB Investments Pty Ltd.
• Eric Daniel, Retired IT Consultant
• Jeremy K. Ellis, Retired Chairman of BHP, now Chairman of the Saltbush Club Australia
• Erl Happ, Managing Director at Happs
There aren't 1600 scientists, not even close. The list is padded with names from anywhere they could get them. And most of them have no experience in climatology.
It's exactly as I said: the list is padded to make it look more impressive than it is.
Maybe you should tell us and make an even bigger lair out of yourself. "Experience in climatology"? Really? I would trust the opinion of anyone trained in the scientific method of his field over an opinion of the likes of you.
ERRATA:
— Daily Mail headline was missing on Lemieux story. Fixed.
Over 30,000 scientists, with over 9,000 PHDs, signed the Oregon petition debunking CC. (Edited for Andre and his distinction without a difference in his below comments)
The NIPCC ( Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change ) with references to hundreds of published papers, likewise effectively debunked the scam, along with a European petition that had over 10,000 signatures. The web site CO2 science also, through peer reviewed literature effectively demonstrates the massive benefits of increased CO2.
So the answer is that no, they will ever claim a consensous regardless of facts.
However a good article effectivefely debunking CC is the most effective red pill to share with family and friends that only ever hear the MSM version of CC. Red pill a friend on CC, and you open them to a host of issues. Consider sharing this...https://open.substack.com/pub/anderdaa7/p/global-warming?r=slvym&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
But what in the world will John Kerry do?? This extremely and extraordinarily important man will have no job!!! Say it ain’t so.......
He’ll have to ketchup on his Heinz sight. 😂
Pure gold! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
🤣🤣
OH BUT WE HAVE…But we have. For too long now!!
And Al Gore. What will he do with all his carbon credits? I have an idea or two. 😜
Guess he can treat them like S&H Greenstamps -worthless pieces of the past.
That bloated phony can stuff them up......well, you know where.
He'll have to go back to inventing internets.
I can think of a few places he can put them. 🤪
He can start walking everywhere that scheduled airlines don't go.
Kerry flies on a private jet.
Which he'd have to stop doing.
If it were up to me, politicians wouldn't be allowed to segregate themselves from the public whose lives they make difficult.
Their criminality isn't as much a problem as their elitism.
But it's not HIS jet...it's his wife's. 🙄
I’d just like to see him walk everywhere. Maybe ride his bike. Also, ride the LA Metro without any bodyguards. Let’s see how long he’d last.
Then we can ask "Hey, John! Why the long face?" 😁😁
I'm remembering his arrogant comment about flying commercial...."People LIKE ME can't fly commercial" or some such. Well, perhaps now people like HIM will finally be out of work. One can hope....
He still has his horse face and James Taylor for a friend, so all is not lost.
His ‘donkey’ face; he can easily be the mascot for the Dems. He’s a total ass.
I intended to briefly skim the comments here, and thought your post read "... Oregon petition debunking C&C."
I immediately thought "Is Oregon so far gone that they're signing petitions about C&C??!"
LOL ... Note to self: "Slow down, and read more carefully!"
🤣
The fact that this is actually a plausible headline says it all! 😕
I did the same thing, lol.
I've been following the Global Warming Petition Project for 2 decades. A 12-page review article about the human-caused global warming hypothesis is circulated with the petition which can be found here.
http://www.petitionproject.org/review_article.php
The review article is a very readable scientific presentation of the evidence. I think anyone would find it illuminating.
Signatories are 31,487 scientists including 9,029 PhDs. Printable PDF is here:
http://www.petitionproject.org/gw_article/GWReview_OISM150.pdf
AHEM.
You mean global cooling.
No I mean global warming.
Err, sorry, Climate change.
Because the climate never changed before the introduction of ICE or mankind..cough cough Mt vesuvius eruption...dinosaur die off...Noah's flood.
Why shouldn't the FCC be tasked with removing fraudulent material from the public airwaves?
Because they would probably end up removing Trump from the public airwaves on the basis that he "committed fraud" somehow.
Fraud vitiates everything.
PLEASE everyone link on this Global-warming......it will curl your toes, and I mean it. A bit lengthy but full of ‘scary’ stuff....
David, Please, do you easily enough have links to above referenced 30,000 and 10,000 signed petitions? Powerful.
LW, yes, in the post, and here for you...https://open.substack.com/pub/anderdaa7/p/global-warming?r=slvym&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
It appears that you invented the "30,000 PhD scientists." I can find it nowhere on the link you provided. I did find "tens of thousands of others"—which could be carpet cleaners for all we know since there is no citation.
Exaggerate much?
It is there, and here is the direct link, zero exaggeration. Sorry you missed it.
(I tend to understate, it is actually over 31,000 signatoures.)
"Of the various petitions on global warming circulated for signatures by scientists, the one by the Petition Project, a group of physicists and physical chemists based in La Jolla, California, was distributed just within the US and 31,487 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,029 with PhDs. Other European papers have additional thousands of signatures from those skeptical scientists.
When the scientists skeptics wish to demonstrate that there is a strong scientific community of thousands of PHD scientist who reject the theory of CAGW, unlike the 97% studies, they do it correctly. The scientific position of the vast majority of CAGW skeptics is clearly outlined by Physicist Frederick Seitz, past President of the US National Academy of Sciences and of Rockefeller University. He received the National Medal of Science, the Compton Award, the Franklin Medal, and other awards. He wrote the Petition cover letter these scientists signed. It goes to the heart of the matter…
“We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.
There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.” (The Petition project references hundreds of peer reviewed reports supporting their position.)"
http://www.petitionproject.org/
"zero exaggeration."
Are you having trouble reading?
"31,487 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,029 with PhDs."
In that you are correct, hower with the European petition, plus the CO2 science pedition, it is pretty much there, plus the other signatories are credentialed, and PHD is somewhat overrated. At any rate, glad you found the link, and hopefully you saw how, like the entire CAGW alarmist "science", incredibly flawed the "consensous" claims are.
I'm quite sure that these numbers are inflated with anyone who wanted to sign it, whether they are radiologists, structural engineers or the others I found on the other list.
Heck, I might find my local mechanic signed it.
And saying the are 9,000 PhD doesn't mean much if they have PhDs in fields that have nothing to do with the climate.
The whole thing is designed to be propaganda, not valid statements. If they wanted them to have weight, they would have put them together with integrity. As it is they are sucking you into believing there is validity to them.
Well, I am pleased after numerous hints you found the citation, and even more pleased that after reading the Global Warming post you have zero criticism other then meaningless blather about your mechanic
The only ones exaggerating here are the proponents like yourself of the human-caused global warming hypothesis. But of course that is how the Left operates: Accuse those you are attacking of the very actions you are guilty of.
He shared two petitions debunking CC, how does that make him a proponent of it?
You misunderstand. I was replying to Andre's accusation.
Oh, I see it now. Thanks!
Well, he's lying when he says 30,000 PhD scientists.
It doesn't say that in the citation he provides.
He's making things up.
If that's not true, he's free to respond with where he got the 30,000 PhD scientists number from.
You're a troll. He didn't say 30,000 PhDs. I guess you are the one who can't read.
What is wrong with you? Why don't you just go read what he wrote? Here is direct quotation:
"Over 30,000 PHD scientists signed the Oregon petition debunking CC."
Let me get this straight. Because David made the mistake of saying "30,000 PhD scientists" instead of saying 30,000 scientists and PhDs when he referenced the Oregon petition, that means he willfully "lied" and the whole Petition is bogus? LOL... Anyone who took 2 minutes to read the Petition would realize the simple mistake he made.
And then you accused me of lying, 'Thank you for admitting that you made this up: "30,000 PhDs."' Why don't you go read the Petition, the accompanying 12 page review letter and the hundreds of peer-reviewed reports supporting it for yourself. Then you can intelligently interact with the position itself rather than trying to base your silly critique on an ad hominem attack. Of course, that assumes you even have the intellectual capability to think through the Petitions basis in facts. Personally, I have my doubts and do not expect to hear back from you in any intelligent manner.
Oh, BTW, how about a Nobel winner? There are now 2 on the list.
https://thefederalist.com/2023/09/01/second-nobel-prize-winner-signs-letter-with-1600-scientists-declaring-climate-emergency-a-myth/
In case you are lost, here is the direct link to the 12 review letter for your interaction.
http://www.petitionproject.org/review_article.php
Oh, please. These are all padded with PhDs that know nothing about climatology and the people describing them exaggerate about their importance.
If I had the time I would look for all the radiologists on the list but I don't have the time.
Man made climate change is a hoax! Just like covid! Do you realize it took at least 6000 gallons of diesel and dozens of child slave laborers to make that electric car your so proud of?
A true and honest environmentalist would be horrified about the so-called "carbon footprint" of making an EV. And he would be dead set against EVs.
And also would be pro-nuclear. It's a form of litmus test, in a way... an "environmentalist" who is anti-nuclear is either ignorant or a grifter.
Many people are ignorant of the problem of disposal of spent nuclear fuel rods. They degrade incredibly slowly and there is no safe place to secure them until they are no longer radioactive.
Of the various petitions on global warming circulated for signatures by scientists, the one by the Petition Project, a group of physicists and physical chemists based in La Jolla, California, was distributed just within the US and 31,487 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,029 with PhDs. Other European papers have additional thousands of signatures from those skeptical scientists.
http://www.petitionproject.org/signers_by_last_name.php?run=all
Thus ends the lesson for today.
Thanks Phil, I responded above as I did not see your comment.
Thank you for admitting that you made this up: "30,000 PhDs."
LOL...you're ridiculous.
Just like this fake list, I doubt very much it's 30,000 PhD scientists. See my comment above for how they pad these lists. You'll find radiologists, structural engineers, finance people and lots of other padding by the desperate organizers.
Just like this fake list?
Here is the link to all the 1609 signatories listed by each nation.
https://clintel.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/WCD-version-081423.pdf
Who's a fake?
Why don't you actually read the citations you provide before offering them as proof? It would make you look less silly.
If you did, you'll find these ridiculous entries:
• Peter Champness, Radiologist
• Charles Camenzuli, Structural Engineer specializing in Remedial Work, Catcam Group, Sydney
• József Balla, retired teacher and manager of a small business
• Gordon Batt, Director GCB Investments Pty Ltd.
• Eric Daniel, Retired IT Consultant
• Jeremy K. Ellis, Retired Chairman of BHP, now Chairman of the Saltbush Club Australia
• Erl Happ, Managing Director at Happs
There aren't 1600 scientists, not even close. The list is padded with names from anywhere they could get them. And most of them have no experience in climatology.
It's exactly as I said: the list is padded to make it look more impressive than it is.
How else are they lying in that document?
Maybe you should tell us and make an even bigger lair out of yourself. "Experience in climatology"? Really? I would trust the opinion of anyone trained in the scientific method of his field over an opinion of the likes of you.
The great Barrington declaration is the same, it didn't go up in a year from 17k and something just isn't right with Malone or any of them.
Thanks for this link. I certainly have my concerns on the great Barrington declaration - have you looked into that?
Look who's desperate.
It is his own confirmation bias that he is reflecting. And he is wrong.