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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I have a long-time friend who lives near San Antonio and there IS a definite sector of the TX population (long time conservatives--NOT the transplants from CA) who are totally on board with secession from the "union"....this will be the death knell for our once great country though. I have NO desire for a truly "divided" U.S.A.--what would we even be CALLED?? "The Federation of States"??? Reminds me of the original Star Trek "governance!!

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Lisa Ca's avatar

hey not all CA transplants are not conservatives!

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I'm sure nothing is 100% - not even Cally transplants in TX (I am surmising that YOU are one of those rare birds, Lisa?)

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Michele's avatar

Also, a balkanized USA more vulnerable to attacks from other nations. Not like our military is the strongest, right now, but, say New Hampshire secedes (which is often talked about as well), what are they going to do if China decides to invade their 'country'? I just don't see them winning that one, and so then we are now in the same BS of sending 'foreign aid' because it is in our interests, or turning away and watching CCP gain a [greater--they are already here] foothold here.

I want us to work it out!

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Vonu's avatar

The first step would be to rout all government officials that have committed treason as it is defined in the Constitution, which would include the majority of those who fought in our foreign wars.

Treason is defined in the Constitution at Article 3, Section 3, as consisting "only in levying War against (the United States), or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

All members of the American military take an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; (and to) bear true faith and allegiance to the same."

When the military is committed to foreign actions without a declaration of war by Congress, as required by Article 1, Section 8, Paragraph 11 of the Constitution, that is a violation of the Constitution, arguably the action of domestic enemies.

When a member of the military participates in an unconstitutional foreign military deployment, s/he violates both the Constitution and his/her oath to "support and defend" it, giving "aid and comfort" to it's "domestic enemies," committing treason by the definition given by the Constitution.

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daverkb's avatar

Oddly, today there is levying war not by conventional means, but by other means. Call it Fourth Generation, Fifth Generation or whatever you like. In order to invoke treason as a prosecutable offense, Congress would have to identify the various organizations complicit (United Nations and its agencies, WEF, etc.) and issue a declaration of war as beomg existing between said agencies and the United States. This would be a can of worms problematic.

Nonetheless, treason against United States sovereignty has been committed. The governments of our country have been overthrown and taken captive. We are a largely disenfranchised people, and certainly so by usurpation of our constitutions various. The usurpations in manifold form are in my book ... treason having been committed.

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Vonu's avatar

The only lawful option that the federal government has to launch a war is by declaring one. The War Powers Act and supportive subsequent NDAAs have been superceded with continuous wars of aggression and conquest since WW2. Most of America's disenfranchisement has been caused by the negligence and apathy of the We the People who the founders counted on to control their government.

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liz's avatar

nope. blaming the Victim is not a useful option. lets LOOK AT THE GLOBALISTS who did jfk back when and have been leading us down a dark path ever since. WAKE UP TO THE WEF and the DEATH OF NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY WITH THE WHO before its too late!

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Politico Phil's avatar

Now that is closer to the truth.

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Vonu's avatar

You must have a warehouse full of the globalist koolaid that no one else is drinking anymore.

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Michele's avatar

This is also why Biden should be impeached.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

What do you mean by "balkanized", Michele?

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rolandttg's avatar

What global scumtards did to Yugoslavia (the Balkans) . Kosovo, Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Hersogovena, Macedonia, Montenegro. Makes it a lot easier for the Rules Based World Order to plunder and control them.

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liz's avatar

omg please look it up!

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Michele's avatar

From google:

balkanize

verb

To divide a territory into small, hostile states.

Alternative capitalization of Balkanize.

Divide a territory into small, hostile states.

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rolandttg's avatar

Please, please stop using Google. there are so many other search engines to chose from. Don't feed the beast. No other search engines censors like Google.

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Michele's avatar

LOL it is generic for any search engine, in my vocab, but the 1st hit on DDG was,,,LOL...from google. I toggle back and forth between DDG--which I admit has gotten suckier--and Brave. Never use google. Can't find ANYTHING but what they want you to find, there. But the dictionary def was still untampered with.

And I do have my ways, to find what I want....

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

And you would WANT that for our Constitutional Republic???

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Michele's avatar

No--reread my comment: it says balkanization is NOT good, because makes us more vulnerable.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Thanks for clarifying, Michele.

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Vonu's avatar

They have to divide us to conquer us.

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Vonu's avatar

It might be an improvement on its current status as the USSA.

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Politico Phil's avatar

The USA as we have known it is already gone. The empire is collapsing and the USG is on the verge of imploding the same way the Soviet Politburo did. There is no going back to what was. A new paradigm will have to arise from this mess going forward and this will be what we must work toward.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

That's EXACTLY what Marty Armstrong voiced, Phil!! No going "back" is spot on! But what lies "ahead"...does our nation have the Holy Spirit guided leaders that we did in the 1700's? Sadly--I very much doubt it!! NEW LEADERS must be engendered from our young people--these old farts "leading" WE THE PEOPLE right now are despots for the most part!

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Politico Phil's avatar

My crystal ball gets real hazy beyond next year, much less next decade. Already, opposition to the NWO is arising in the East in the form of the BRICS. Internally in the US, opposition is arising among the "natives" who have had enough of their NWO lies. So...I think the Western cabal is getting desperate, especially the Bolsheviks in DC. Thanks to the Founding Fathers who created a multi-jurisdictional nation rather than a monolithic, top down government like most nations, America is very difficult to conquer even though they captured the Fed Gov't in the 2020 election coup. They were only able to capture some of the State governments and the county level, where ultimate authority resides, is completely uncontrollable from there point of view in spite of Soros best efforts.

But I know this from history, once a Marxist regime captures a government, they do not ever relinquish power voluntarily. There is no telling what they will do to keep control. They face the threat of opposition from Americans at the local level and the threat of losing a national election to the MAGA movement. Trump is the tip of that spear and they obviously fear what will happen to them if he gets back in office. They told us before it happened that there would be a pan-corona virus pandemic and now they are telling us that 2024 will see a collapse of the power grid. Guess what happens to the elections in that event.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Knowing what we (the awake ones) know of these nefarious "snoops" creeps and their powerful ploys within the Federal government and beyond...it will be TOTAL HAVOC if we lost power. Tell me, Phil--have you taken precautions to have some form of "power supply" in that event? I was asking my friend with whom I live to invest in a Generac back up generator (that runs on natural gas). But if the grid is attacked--will we even have access to natural gas? What are your thoughts, friend?

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Politico Phil's avatar

You do what you can and what is logical knowing that things may happen differently than you anticipated. Generac is great for several reasons. I would expect NG to still work unless the power grid goes down so long nothing works. I would hope that the gas companies have backup electrical generating capacity. My son has remote acreage within a short drive from our homes which will serve as a bug-out location if things go sideways. He is putting a large propane tank and a generator on the property. Same idea as you.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

This C & C Group is an answer to my EARNEST PRAYER, Phil as I knew the chaos would be upon the world after what happened in 2020. This is just the "cusp" of the torment and I was praying the Lord would direct me to a believing group of people who are REAL Americans. And He has - PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME!!!

Stay close to Jesus, Phil!!!

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CMCM's avatar

I'm in Northern California and there are a lot of people up here who have been attempting split the state into Southern vs. Northern California. The south along with the coastal cities are of course the crazy leftists, while the north is conservative and don't want to be part of the left dominant government. A LOT of people want this, but it seems impossible to do. For one thing, a lot of water the southern part of the state needs is piped from the north. So the PTBs will never permit this split anyway.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Perhaps you need to encourage your local governance people in N. Cally to "barter" with the honchos in S. Cally to levy smaller taxes and pare down on the perverted agenda and ESG "doctrine". Remind the "southerners" that IF the "northerners" vote to secede--they would lose ALL "water rights" OR have to pay a huge "water tax" to get the water they desperately need. Doesn't hurt to "haggle"!!

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liz's avatar

its going to happen, seems obvious. the coasts have little in common anymore with the sane people and most just dont want WOKE culture

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liz's avatar

from a former Californian

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Vonu's avatar

It would probably go back to being the Republic of Texas.

I'd definitely have to consider moving back to where I lived for 2.5 years.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I pray it doesn't come to that--but now Hollywood is touting a new "dystopian" movie to premiere in April of 2024 (like Concerned Grammy from this group said 2 weeks ago - the cabal "warns" the general public in advance of their plans for the populace--this could be that "warning"). Marty Armstrong, the world-renowned economic forecaster, mentioned it on his blog yesterday! Here's a link to the trailer--it chilled me to watch even that much of it! https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/the-coming-american-civil-war/

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daverkb's avatar

There is a powerful top down roll back from Commie Woke now in the works. 2024 might be a watershed reversal year.

Also, we are not the only ones getting C & C type commentary. The rest of the world is watching. And also rest assured that the intelligence agencies of the world, including Russian, Chinese, Indian an so on are watching and noting. Given all the exposure, Commie Woke may be already over and we just don't know it yet.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I'm not holding my breath for any reversal, Dave--the "handwriting is on the wall" and our country has been found "lacking" in Godliness for so many decades. That's why I constantly pray that part of the "disciples' prayer"...."may Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven". WE THE PEOPLE NEED TO REPENT AND TURN FROM OUR WICKED WAYS!

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liz's avatar

not we the people. ITS RECOGNIZING THE ENEMY. THE WEF , WHO etc.

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daverkb's avatar

I agree. Especially on the repenting of Wicked Ways. However, there is a roll back against Commie Woke in progress, and just too many indications as to be coincidence. Ukraine sanctions failure, a massive miscalculation, pushed the need to roll back into high gear. And Woke forces have a huge problem, massive international rejection of the insanity of what the once revered United States has become.

And so, I think the roll back will continue. I think we will get relief but not real reform. No power will be returned to the people. The security/terror state will not be dismantled. The economic fundamentals will have to change. The below video is apt to be challenging to a lot of people and the interviewer says as much. Nonetheless, this is in part a most cogent assessment of some key fundamentals. For instance, nobody but nobody in the financial world takes about 'spare capacity' as being key. This guy being interviewed did. This makes him top drawer.

However and again ... and absent repenting, no Godly change of any significance.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I can agree that this is "plausible" given that our Federal government is SO, SO WICKED AND ETHICALLY COMPROMISED.

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liz's avatar

yeah I think its gonna take a lot more work from all of us before that is the case. not Commmie woke anyway. its OLIGARCH GLOBALIST WOKE.

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daverkb's avatar

I think you pegged it pretty well. However, I opine this little speculation the are always a ruling class ... and ruling classes are aways factional because it is foundationally intrinsic to humankind that folks never but never wholly agree. And as a kicker, is also a matter of distance whether of not it is small or large disagreements. We, as you know, are the most polarized we have ever been in America excepting on the eve of the American Civil War.

The words 'oligarch' and/or 'oligarchy' in recent decades has taken on a more sinister meaning, but it does not always have to be so. Woke seems to be in retreat and Globalist with it. This may not be obvious, but the two maybe already finished ... or at least in decline. The rest of the world knows that the West is totally bats off the rails insane, and they really don't want anything to do with it. And the Western ruled 'populations' are pissed angry and have had a belly full. These two things mean that that crazy has to be walked backwards or else the real power above the stage of actors has a very high risk of losing control, something they most definitely don't want. (But walking it back won't be accomplished in weeks or months, but over many years.

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Vonu's avatar

Armstrong sometimes can't see past his Christian mindset to see reality.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I have NEVER read Marty Armstrong mentioning anything about the Bible or Christianity in his blogs. What evidence do you have to make that statement, Vonu?

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Vonu's avatar

If you can't see it, you haven't read him on LRC.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I don't read that many blogs anymore, but I was directed to Marty Armstrong from a member of our local freedom group--back in 2020. At first I read him every day - now...hardly at all. But what is L.R.C.?

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daverkb's avatar

Same here. But I still respect Armstrong greatly.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Marty goes off on tangents from time to time--but after what he has endured (being imprisoned for NINE YEARS in the NYC corrupt judicial system) for "contempt of court" charges that were trumped up because he would not divulge names and pertinent data to the NY state government and Feds who were seeking to get to the owner of the hedge fund Marty managed. He deserves respect and credence in my book!! He is an avid student of world history as well and I appreciate his "ancient history" refresher courses that he shares in his blogs at times.

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daverkb's avatar

I agree. And made of some pretty good strong stern stuff. And I did not realize that it was for nine years! That's a long time! You never know for sure, but it sure looks like Marty got royally railroaded. Thanks for writing.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Marty wrote many times that he would have preferred DYING to being in prison for nine years. His Mom was his advocate and worked tirelessly to get the "system" to work in favor of her son--who did NOTHING criminal. He just refused to turn over the information and documents that the "court" wanted so they could prosecute the owner of the hedge fund. You do know that Marty was also brutally assaulted while in prison - he advocated for certain prisoners and acted as a "citizen attorney" to help them with their appeals. Another prisoner hit Marty over the head with Marty's own typewriter and he was hospitalized in the prison dispensary for quite some time. No...Marty is a "good guy" and a very astute history buff, ancient coin collector/dealer and remarkable economic forecaster (using "pi" as the basis for his computerized forecasting system he dubbed "Socrates").

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daverkb's avatar

Ha! Martin never seemed much of a Christian to me. For the life of me, I don't understand this comment.

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Vonu's avatar

While only tends to indicate that you have never been a Christian of any sect.

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daverkb's avatar

Spotting the word 'sect' and having studied 2,000 plus years of Christian history and doctrine, this comment strikes me as being more of the 'rubber and glue' kind of remark. And largely very small ... possibly even pointless.

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Vonu's avatar

Then why did you bother misunderstanding it and displaying your ignorance?

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daverkb's avatar

You must be an aspirant for Ye Olde Troll Farm. And if this is what you truly think, then why waste your time here. Only a fool would do so.

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Vonu's avatar

The only thing you seem to be able to aspire to is mindless ad hominem attacks, for which I will ignore you henceforth.

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daverkb's avatar

Thank you! Please do!

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