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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

I have a Doctorate in Pharmacy. The acid reflux medications should be used for two months TOPs (unless strenuous circumstances), then they need to be discontinued and not abruptly, but tapered off slowly.

I wrote on A Midwestern Doctor Substack the other day that the pandemic has really opened my eyes to medicine and I'm starting to see my field a lot differently.

I recommend as holistic as possible with drugs as the last option.

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GG's avatar

As a user of all kinds of medications, the pandemic really opened my eyes, too. I stopped everything and the headaches I've been suffering from for 12 years (they started pre-medication) are dramatically better. It's strange because I still find myself easily falling back into my old way of thinking, but at least I recognize when I'm going off track and correct my mindset. I've stopped going to doctors as well because they all have pharma-vision. I have no idea what I'm going to do if I get sick, but I don't trust anyone in the medical field at all anymore.

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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

Thanks for this post GG! Here's the post/comment to MidWestern's Substack if you (or anyone) is interested

https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/why-has-innovation-disappeared-from/comment/22120497

As I mentioned in that post, I think a lot of us in the medical field have had our eyes open and now we realized the world that we find ourselves in. We can't change the system overnight, but we can slowly start to work towards that.

Forums like this also show that there are many people who are willing to change from the old to the new so this reinforces the fact that we can do good work and get paid well (since money is always a factor).

It's definitely easy to fall into old ways of thinking especially since those old ways have been ingrained for decades, but everyday is an opportunity to start new.

This isn't medical advice here, but if you do get sick, I do recommend listening to your body and even though the medical community is pharma driven, they can be a source of insight as to what the problem is. Just remember that ultimately, you are the decision maker and once you know what the problem is, YOU can choose what therapy you want to partake off.

Some articles on the medical topic:

https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-dark-side-of-medicine-see-no

https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-religious-tenants-of-scientism

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CH's avatar

So very true! You have to be your own biggest advocate. I absolutely hate it when I go to a dr and they poo poo because I researched everything prior to the appt. Some of these people have GIANT egos! It is an insult to my intelligence that I am not capable of determining the best treatment for myself.

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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

EXACTLY! I've had so many instances with Physicians where I second guess their data based on OTHER CLINICAL data and they're just stumped, frustrated and flabbergasted! I love to hear this and WISH MORE PEOPLE would do this!

You're exactly right, it is an insult to your intelligence. These conditions can be understood by anyone if they only took the time to educated themselves on it.

Kudos to you indeed!

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Donna in MO's avatar

From a 30,000 foot level - I am not in the HC field - it seems that they are pushing docs to be automatons, following 'evidence based medicine' protocols and not think for themselves. Throw in that individual and small group practices going the way of the dodo bird due to high administrative costs, high premiums for malpractice insurance, and workforce shortages, and you have the perfect storm. And in these big corporate practices attached to the hospitals, they have to see so many patients, I don't see how they even have time to think.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

There are fewer and fewer REAL old school doctors who don't throw medication at everything. They are out there! But finding them is difficult, if not impossible. As I've written before on C&C, look for a doctor above age 50, conservative, strong advocate of a healthy lifestyle, unless you know a younger one who is not captured by big pHARMa and the govt!

I warned my young, former US Navy girlfriend not to get the vax. She and her former US Navy hubby felt tremendous pressure from work and family. She now has a pacemaker.

Our youngest daughter is off all formerly prescribed anti-depressants and ADHD meds, didn't get the jab, lost a high paying job because of it, but is gainfully employed and very happy now.

Our three other daughters are all jabbed to the max. All had bad covid, refused therapeutics, and are headed into the future believing they did the "right" thing...

Our estate lawyer friend told us the other day, that a 30 something couple he was helping with their estate asked him about changing their will since both couples they had chosen to take the responsibility of caring for their children should something happen to them were now unable... One couple early 40s had severe reactions to the vax, one with a serious stroke and now seizures, the other had a heart attack... They had also chosen a family member and spouse in late 30s. One who is 6x vaxed and now has turbo cancer and the spouse died from the vax six months ago... His recommendation? Find couples who are not vaxed and used their brains as something other than a hat rack... He said he's had to have this hard conversation with too many young couples about the same issue...

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Fla Mom's avatar

I have a female friend in her 30s who now has a pacemaker, too. She regrets getting vaxxed, which she and her family did just to take the kids on a cruise.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Geez. 2021, I was resigned to perhaps never again seeing my first-born, as vax was then required for travel. To be completely clear for those with vision difficulty, I was prepared never to see my daughter again in this life because I absolutely refused the shot.

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Kathy Sincere's avatar

Missed my son's destination wedding - no jab, no mask - ever.

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Ruth's avatar

I did same. Unable to visit grandsons.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Hmm. I dared to suggest to my AZ'd daughter a year ago, when she was planning to bring family over for a visit (and I was scared of pilot (s) crumping while over Atlantic)--that she and husband arrange guardians for children--that this was a responsibility of parents with young children (husb. and I did, my younger brother did)--and that the choice be unvaxxed people. Don't know whether she actually did anything . The visit actually happened this year--return was just last Tuesday. And safe both ways. But, nonetheless.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

That is exactly what prompted one of our daughters to have a will drawn up...an overseas trip for a wedding. Their twins would need caregivers if something happened to them.... So, they chose her equally jabbed MD sister and MD hubby, then chose an equally jabbed single male friend 🤫.... When there are young unjabbed family couples who are completely capable and available.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

But the blind cannot see! You know that and I know that.

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Copernicus's avatar

Wow. Ive not known anyone else needing pacemaker after jab, but my MIL had to get one 8 months after her jabs. We are convinced it was the jabs - no prior history of any heart problems. Doctors had no explanation, and strangely, as far as I know, didn't look very hard for one.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

My girlfriend is 2 yrs out from her jabs...had a heart attack, they diagnosed myocarditis and now she has a pacemaker. Definately the jabs. Healthy up until after she got the jabs...

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OnTheJump's avatar

These anecdotes are so meaningful - and they come from EVERY corner ..... how do we get those who support the narrative to pay heed, and put two and two together ?

These are REAL stories, of REAL people - up and down the street. So many - TOO many - simply refuse to accept what is all but slapping them across the face.

Baffling.

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Dray's avatar

Mass Formation Psychosis.

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T Diesel's avatar

Vax vanity vexed the young couple’s estate planning.

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Melissa S's avatar

Doctors don’t have to think anymore. They just need to be able to dispense pharmaceutical drugs. Most get frequent visits from the pharmaceutical representatives who supply them with their big Pharma literature. So doctors don’t have to research squat. Just read the promotional literature. And they are helped by all the advertising by Pharma as in, ā€œAsk your doctor if ā€œxyzā€ is right for you.ā€ Patients come in asking for the drugs they saw on tv. And they generally get what they want. After all, the drug was approved by the FDA, which wouldn’t approve anything if it weren’t ā€œsafe & effectiveā€.

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Donna in MO's avatar

I spent the better part of 6 months caring for my 84 YO mom, hospital, NH for rehab, home. She HAS to have the TV on from the minute she wakes up until she goes to sleep, 'for noise'. I am fully convinced if pharma ads were outlawed half of the TV channels would go out of business. One pharma ad after another! So annoying.

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Melissa S's avatar

Totally agree! My father-in-law was the same way. He had to have the news on non-stop. Very stressing in my opinion.

Here is a suggestion we have implemented that might work for your mom. Try to get her to switch the tv noise for music. We got an mp3 music player for an elderly family member with some dementia, and she enjoys it a lot. It is very simple to use. Just a couple buttons. You preload it with music they enjoy. 16GB Simple Music MP3 Player for People with Dementia Patients Alzheimers Easy Music Box for Elderly Seniors https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08D3LJQG2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1

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Fla Mom's avatar

A bonus is the amazing effect on people from hearing well-loved music from their younger days.

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Donna in MO's avatar

Oh I have tried. She actually doesn't watch the news much now that her favorite person to hate, Donald Trump, is not in office any more. She watches the local morning news then the Hallmark Channel, or something on PBS or Golden Girl re-runs. She has a pretty extensive CD collection, that was mostly my dads but they both used to listen to them when he was alive. She has the old school, push one button CD player in her AL apartment, and my sisters and I also bought her a portable DVD player she could put on her lap (eyesight is fading some due to macular degeneration) to watch copies of old home movies and such that my sister had converted to digital, and has a number of series and classic movies on DVD we've bought her over the years as she said she was interested. NADA. Unless the cable goes out. Then she will consider alternatives. It was out for 3 days when she moved into her current AL apartment, maintenance, IT, no one could figure it out. They finally decided it was her TV, but couldn't reboot it as someone had put a PW on it when they set it up but my nephew who had originally set it up had no idea what it was. Told me to go buy her a new TV. Right NOW! She was literally losing her mind, like regressing back to a toddler, after we got her moved in and unpacked, she kept calling me saying I HAVE to have my TV! Mentally, she is still sharp, works crossword puzzles and the puzzle section of the newspaper, that she reads cover to cover so not dementia. And I ordered her several mag subscriptions, like Sat Evening Post. So she is not necessarily just watching TV all day. It just has to be on. I blame covid. She used to be fairly active but after a year + of self quarantining she is left with little physical strength and little interest in getting out and doing stuff. Constant fear of falling. So she sits and channel surfs. PT comes a few times a week and gets her moving but anything I say or suggest either starts a fight or gets a host of the same tired excuses. Sorry, venting. I stayed with her a lot when she was still at home and it wore me out. Glad she is in a place where help is a button push away. My sisters (who are on either coasts) think this is all about 'getting back at me' for 'making her' move to AL and why she refuses any suggestion I have. She did agree to the move, but still keeps saying how she misses her old place.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Excellent idea. Music-streaming services are great if you keep the mute button handy. Spotify and Pandora are loaded with pharma ads and promos for borrowing money to get out of debt.

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Leo's avatar

Try music from the years when she was in her prime - oldies. Also beautiful picture books she can view while listening to her music.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

has been going on for a long time. as a kid the house doc would prescribe nothing but pfizer, ruined my immune system by unnecessary antibiotics, and then they did not work when needed, luckily a pulmonary doc got me back on track, hardly been sick since. this was 50+ years ago

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GG's avatar

That's a very circular way of thinking.

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GG's avatar

The "not think for themselves" thing is trending across all aspects of civilized life. It's not unique to medicine and pharmacology. Somehow, the powers that he seen to have turned off everyone's natural curiosity. It scares me.

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Amuzed_Traveler's avatar

Natural curiosity coupled with healthy skepticism.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I remember, sitting at a conference table with fellow faculty (so had to be prior to 2007), one saying, regarding internet use, "You have be to careful what you are looking for, because you will find it." As a child, how many times was I 'waylaid' by the encyclopedia set in the bookcase at foot of the front stairs--the interesting first and last topics printed on the spines--I sat for hours and learned so much that I had NOT been looking for.

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Fla Mom's avatar

I've begun describing it as what appears to be a literal mind virus.

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Fla Mom's avatar

This is exactly it. I still believe in following the evidence, but the trick was in having pHarma-supported and -written protocols turn out to be what's called 'evidence.' I went to medical school before the evidence-based trend, and it wasn't ideal, either, though. We were giving all peri- and post-menopausal women hormones "to prevent heart attacks," e.g., when later evidence showed they *caused* more heart attacks. They are training automatons, now, though, instead of telling them to study physiology and pathophysiology enough to understand the natural way to stay healthy and the non-drug interventions regaining health.

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Donna in MO's avatar

Well I first read about 'evidence based medicine' when studying CMS guidelines as part of a trends report for a client and was instantly suspicious. One of those things that SOUNDS good in principle, but made me wonder 'whose evidence'? I had already figured out that science was corrupted before covid (although I didn't realize how much so) and so when the 800 pound gorilla is picking the evidence, just seemed like a bad plan. But the spin doctors were working hard.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

soon docs will be replaced by artificial intelligence and you will talk to a robot, and get computerized help. You can do it better yourself because only you feel your body!

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Seems like legacy medical intelligence is already artificial.

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Jamie Leigh's avatar

You nailed it. I wish more non-clinicians knew about EBM and how it has changed medicine. Granted, that's not the end of the story, but it is a big part of it.

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Karmy's avatar

I have a friend who told me their first class is medical school was hosted by a pharmaceutical rep. That's all you need to know. It's about pushing the drugs not investigating the symptoms. Old school doctors were investigators based on symptoms not anymore. Homeopathy treats symptoms and if you have the correct remedy it will usually cure the issue without causing other debilitating side effects.

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Donna in MO's avatar

Yes, it's a whole new world out there. Although under the general heading of 'alternative medicine' there are some sketchy claims and con artists too, people really need to do their homework. My daughter worked with a woman whose husband was diagnosed with MS. Spend a lot of money and time on homeopathic treatments, traveled to several states to visit these providers and got worse each time. He died ~18 months after diagnosis. Of course my daughter did not have all the details, but said this woman claimed they had found people who had a 'cure' which seems suspicious.

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LW's avatar

Yes, they’re planning online robot healthcare, phasing out all mainstream doctors. The writing’s on the wall.

Wake up! ...Leave your slave master to help all of us seeking Naturopath, Holistic et al.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

They are paving the way for AI doctors.

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Copernicus's avatar

You are 100% correct.

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Aryenis's avatar

Now that most doctors are employees (thanks to enormous administrative requirements and the new insurance marketplace) instead of self-employed in private practice, all sorts of new burdens are placed on their medical judgement. Above all, the threat of having their licenses to practice canceled by licensing boards, or being found liable in court of malpractice, if they are caught following any procedure other than those approved by the AMA.

We have seen this happening to doctors who spoke out against the approved protocols and advocated alternatives during the covid regime.

Most doctors are also carrying enormous debts they must pay off, for their medical education. There is little scholarship funding available for this professional education. Banks and other lenders are counting on doctors' eventual pay rates to get repaid. They cannot afford to lose their licenses.

Many young people go into the medical profession with high expectations and nurturing intentions and then find themselves caught in a system, which is narrow and lacks the independence and career gratification they expected. The corporations, for which they usually work these days, reinforce the narrow dictums of accepted practice, because corporations prefer as few risks as possible on the way to profits.

There is also the way medicine is taught these days, requiring primary reliance on lab tests for diagnosis, and oriented toward pharmaceuticals for therapy. The emphasis is generally not on health. All that said, modern medicine can be remarkable in a health crisis - trauma care. It can often be useful for diagnosis. For the rest, individuals need to be their own advocate and be as informed as possible.

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TracyAnne's avatar

Well said. I am an MD ( unjabbed , by the way- I'd have walked away from medicine- no way in hell I was taking the dangerous jabs.)

You said it all perfectly. We are caught between a rock and a hard spot.

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Raptor's avatar

It is good that not all people who go into debt act as most doctors have these last few years. Many people do things where people could die if the work is shoddy, graft is how jobs are doled out or you decide to keep your mouth shut to save yourself.

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Aryenis's avatar

The improvement in outcomes that occurred, after the first few months, suggests that many doctors were providing more therapeutic care than the official recommendations. They talked among themselves, reported clinical results to each other, and tried various approaches. Most did this quietly.

Based on the number of people we have heard, who did get hold of ivermectin, not just from overseas, some physicians were providing it, when they could get it passed pharmaceutical blockades. Many probably provided the same advice that they gave for respiratory viruses in general, and provided standard antivirals.

Most also quickly learned and stopped providing remdesivir for severe cases. Many never did use it. It remained on the list of acceptable therapies (which it never should have been), but no one would use it.

The journey in thinking of John Campbell, the teaching nurse on youtube, may be representative. It demonstrated a characteristic caution combined with an alert receptivity to clinical results. He began by trusting, reporting, and explaining what data was available from sources that medical professionals were accustomed to rely on. When data looked odd, or contradictory, he said so.

At first, Campbell advocated vaxxes. As he became aware of vax injuries, he became a skeptic and ceased advocacy. Using the most careful, but clear circumlocutions, such as perhaps only the British can master, in order to avoid YT cancellation. No one listening could miss his meaning.

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Raptor's avatar

I have watched and like John Campbell, but when a vaccine is rolled out practically overnight (in vaccine research years), the trials were corrupted by giving the control grp the vax, they advocated giving the vax to pregnant and nursing mothers... John and every other scientific minded human that is not deluded KNEW it was not a safe proposition for humans. Yet he defended and trusted them. I know he is now awake to what is happening (thank God). I applaud him.

The small amount of physicians who knew it was wrong formed a coalition and found like minded doctors willing to take the God awful risk of losing their license by prescribing a safe and effective drug (Ivermectin). MOST of the people who got Ivermectin got it from them I'd bet. Take a poll of your ivermectin taking friends - how many had their own doctor prescribe it. I bet none.

My MIL died after being hospitalized and given Remdesivir in early 2020. They were not cautious. By then they were calling it "when death is near". She went in not even knowing she had covid to dead in a week or so. Remdesivir was standard care. Giving IVM or Hydroxichloroquin was forbidden. Go have a look what happened to Pierre Kory when he tried to save very sick people with these things or high doses of VitC. Those things are reasonable treatments. Forbade.

In the first few months people who were not very old and very sick got better without intervention. It is best to not spread a layer of gloss over what has been done to the entire population of the world.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Lots of people did, in fact, miss his meaning. Several times I commented on their need to 'listen between John's lines'

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Aryenis's avatar

Wow!

I guess U.S really is a visual culture, whereas Britain is more an oral culture. The fine art of listening.

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AngelaK's avatar

I think that they have very little knowledge other than that of pharmaceuticals.

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GenEarly's avatar

and recently discontinued the Hippocratic Oath of "Do No Harm" after becoming CDC/NIH/FDA Apparachiks.

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Roger Beal's avatar

There is no corporate money in promoting osteopathic cures.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Or chiropractic or homeopathic or naturopathic. Having written these words, I wondered whether the anti-chiropractic attitude (to which in my ignorance I subscribed until 24 mos ago) was actually Pharma-driven. Whadja think?

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Kitkat's avatar

My chiropractor is also a NAET practitioner. Allergy Elimination Treatment. Non-invasion (no needles!) no drugs. He has saved me so many times...and yet so few of my friends believe me. For those interested in learning more about it, here's the main website. It's been a life-saver for me.

https://www.naet.com/

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Honestly, Kitkat, there are so many kind, sharing people in these Stack comments. I am mercifully free of allergy, but I do appreciate your contribution. Who knows whom I may benefit by having this knowledge to pass on?

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Annie's avatar

Not even that. Just how to read the script.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

that is what I did back in Belgium, I went to the doc and told him what all I tried, he usually had an idea of what was wrong, and asked whether I wanted meds or not. Most of the time I refused and tried yet more natural methods and only a couple of times needed him again, twice it ended up in surgery, endometriosis and thyroid cyste, nothing I could do there. Doc in the US are quite hopeless so far.

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Fla Mom's avatar

This talk by Dr. John Abramson at Hillsdale College's Center for Constructive Alternatives conference on Big Pharma sounds similar to what you say. His most recent book is Sickening: How Big Pharma Broke American Health Care and How We Can Repair It.

https://freedomlibrary.hillsdale.edu/programs/cca-iv-big-pharma/health-care-american-style

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Well, "Hillsdale" says it all.

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Annie's avatar

Yes. Just say no! Find other alternatives. My grandfather always said "doctors give you one med to treat a symptom, not the cause. Then it causes 2 other problems. That's how they make money and stay in business. "

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Connie Davis's avatar

My grandmother who was a nurse during the Spanish flu told me the same thing. She said stay healthy by exercising, getting plenty of fresh air EVEN WHEN IT’S and do your own cooking. I’ve followed her advice and I’m 74 no prescriptions EVERšŸ˜‰ and of course no quackzene

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GG's avatar

One of the things I've recently "discovered" is that even something as innocuous as Tylenol may be doing things that aren't good. A fever is the body's way of fighting infection. We take a Tylenol and the fever goes away, so how is the body still fighting the infection? I think we don't really know what these things do to us when we ingest them. Years and years ago, I read an opinion piece that said everything we need for health and healing was created when God created the universe. They believed apple seeds held cancer-curing properties. I don't know if that's true or not, but the concept made sense to me. Rush Limbaugh always said man-made global warming was a hoax and that when God made the world, He made it with the ability to heal itself; oceans, flora and fauna are natural filters. That also made sense to me and lines up with my previous point. I don't know if my comment really has a point, other than these are things I've been pondering and there seems to be a lot of wisdom in what your grandfather says.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

In April I finally got around to reading Genesis straight through (rather than this verse, that verse). Not only is it a really good read, but it opened my eyes to what you remark above. Then I read the next two books, am starting Numbers now.

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Annie's avatar

Thank you for this suggestion. I will read Genesis too.

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GG's avatar

There's a podcast I listen to called BEMA Discipleship that would really expand your understanding of Genesis and blow your mind about the God who created the universe. It looks at the Bible from the Hebrew (Eastern) perspective.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Genesis has such wonderful stories! Exodus kind of narrows to one great, prolonged story. The next three can be a slog without some good commentaries to help you digest them.

But they’re all wonderful and so revealing of who our God is and what He wants for us.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I purposely did not look at any commentary, just as I did not wish (this time) to be in any "Bible Study Group". I wanted to read the words on my own. At my own pace. With my own responsive thoughts. As a Latinist I am very well aware of how much the translator can change the meaning (read 'commenter' as well); and certainly I do not read Hebrew, and certainly the Hebrew now available must be much changed from the originally-written words. But I wanted nothing between me and the text as I have it. Actually, I found Leviticus very interesting, very 'formulaic'--and that in itself was interesting. I also realized that I have divine support for having always found tattoos distasteful.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

I like your approach. A good commentary is eye-opening, but if, as I believe, God’s Word is ā€œGod-breathed,ā€ the message will come through to us individually and very personally.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I have the same reaction to tattoos but don’t know the Bible well enough to know the justification you speak of. Could you elaborate? I will see if I can find it in my own if you’d prefer not to get into it šŸ™‚

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CMCM's avatar

Dennis Prager has a wonderful series called "The Rational Bible". Thus far he has put out 3 books: one for Exodus, another for Genesis, a third for Deuteronomy. He discusses all kinds of things as you go along, including the translation errors, historical aspects of why things were said and done, and in his typical manner he gives contemporary examples. He wrote these books for everyone, whether you are Jewish, Christian, atheist. Wonderful and enlightening books that every believer would learn from and he makes these books understandable. Prager eventually plans on putting out a book for each book of the Torah.

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Elaine Elias's avatar

Thanks for tip.on Prager. I think he is granddaughter

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Yes, am aware of Dennis' production.

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Raptor's avatar

If you read something in the Bible and want to discuss it, you could find takers here. Numbers will make a lot more sense after you read further in the old testament. You will read an account of something and the find those names in the account in Numbers and start having a clearer picture of what was going on. Otherwise numbers is a little dry. The book after Numbers will be far more interesting!

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Raptor,

Well do I know it--it's one of the attractions offered by C&C--and not only our Janice. The scripture-folks found here are a great comfort to me.

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Raptor's avatar

Janice will love that you referred to her as "Our Janice". I just know it. Sweet.

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Annie's avatar

Amen. We always left fevers go. It sucks when you have one but rest, hydration and natural support are the way to go. The body is burning the offending thing out of you.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

That has ALWAYS been my take--the heightened body temp is killing the invaders.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

A cold cloth on the forehead can help things from getting out of control.

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JimB's avatar

Isaiah 45: 18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

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JustANobody's avatar

Yes. Apricot seeds too! Bryzinski's A World Without Cancer. A great book.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Do you remember when laetrile was the cancer wonder drug--and Americans were tripping to Mexico to get it? FDA NOT-approved. Husband points out that there were many sad stories of bad-effects ensuing. But I now wonder whether those stories were in the very chapter which includes "Horse paste! Come on, y'all! You are not a horse!"

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Amuzed_Traveler's avatar

Rush was such a clear thinker. I remember him asking what the optimal temperature for the Earth was and what evidence did the ā€œscientistsā€ back up up that assertion with.

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Francis Keays's avatar

Early on I realized about needing a fever if sick. So I have not taken advil or tylenol when I have had a fever. As far as I know, I have not had covid and I have flown over 50 times in the last 3 years. I have flown Alaska all but twice and those times, I got sick- flu or something, but tested neg for covid. Alaska was the one that advertised using UV and fresh air in the cabin. If every place had used a certain rated number of air changes and UV in their air handling system early on, especially in schools instead of shutting them down, or at least opened a few windows, the schools would have had no reason to shut down. I know it was all fear porn, but still, real solutions instead of the farce of cloth masking and social distancing.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

I remember reading that grape seeds also have cancer killing properties.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I have some locally-made Sardinian grappa in my freezer, brought by son-in-law's father at wedding 13 years ago. I suppose that distillation destroys the effective constituent. Or maybe not. Early attempts at distillation were not aimed at making a party beverage, I think.

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FourWinds's avatar

Yep, fever is there for a reason. I had one at 103 from food poisoning last fall and just let it run. I agree the Creator made everything we need to heal ourselves and that the earth will always heal itself.

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Phillip Zinni III DO FAOASM's avatar

Agree, seek a Functional / Integrative DO/MD; HMD; ND; DC; APH.

Be Well & Blessed,

Phillip

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Jeff C's avatar

As with everything else in life we need to assess benefit vs. risk. The problem is that due to FDA and pharma corruption it is nearly impossible to assess risk. Drugs are promoted as something akin to fertilizer, to be spread wantonly and needed for healthy life. That's a lie, as drugs are actually poisons when *sometimes* the benefit of taking that poison outweighs the risk. Usually not though.

The other issue that that drugs rarely affect the root cause of the ailment but usually just mask the symptoms. Aside from antibiotics, there are virtually zero drugs that cure people but instead "treat" them. Often the thing they treat is only an issue on paper, such as cholesterol levels. A doctor puts someone on cholesterol lowering drugs (sometimes for the rest of their lives) based on numbers on a piece of paper with arbitrarily assigned "good" levels. There's no actual physical manifestation of any problem, but the standards have been set to turn healthy people into sick people. Often the treatment (such as statins) have terrible side effects.

No one should be taking any medication, particularly on a daily basis, unless these things have been thoroughly assessed. If you are one of these people who take a handful of prescription pills every day, with no end in sight, (as many of our elderly do) you really need to step back and reevaluate things. You are poisoning yourself to what benefit? What are you actually treating? In most cases a low carb diet and moderate exercise like taking walks would be far more beneficial.

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GG's avatar

I can't help but wonder what I've done to myself with all the medications I've taken in the past. I look at people who got the vaccines and feel nothing but compassion for them. They believed the experts; I believed the experts. They got the shots; I took the medications. Beyond the anxiety about what I may have done to myself, I'm absolutely furious with all these people who insisted I could trust them while they lied to my face. I don't know what to do with the anger.

When I was little, I ran out in traffic and got hit by a car. I had no idea I was going to be hit and it was such a surprise when I did get hit. That is kind of how I feel about medicine and pharma. Like I was just playing, going through my life and wandered into the street and got hit by medicine and big pharma. A child doesn't understand the dangers of cars in the road. I didn't understand the dangers of medicine and pharma. I was naive and uneducated and it hurt me.

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Jeff C's avatar

God bless you GG. One of my favorite sayings is, "it is what it is". There's nothing we can do about the past except learn from it and move forward with that knowledge in our lives. Worry or dwelling on things we can't do anything about is incredibly self destructive. Instead, use that experience to move forward confident that you won't make the same mistake again.

But most important, trust God. Lay your burdens at His feet and know that He loves you. Bottled up rage harms you and does nothing to those who deceived you. Trust God, he rewards the good and punishes the wicked.

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GG's avatar

My rage isn't bottled! It's not hidden. I think God can handle it, so I take it to Him all the time. It blesses my heart to know that He hears the cries of those who suffer unjustly. It makes me angry that a human being can look at another human being and purposely lie to them or do something that causes harm or death, and have no remorse. But God is infinitely more just than I am and if it hurts my heart, imagine what it does to His? I know He will set all things right in His time. Blessed assurance.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Amen Jeff C

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RunningLogic's avatar

One of my favorites is ā€œthings without all remedy should be without regard, what’s done is done.ā€; never mind the context, it’s still a valid point šŸ˜†).

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Lisa Ca's avatar

GiGI, the more you read up and learn the more you can do to help. The BEST thing you can do is support your liver and kidneys as they, especially liver, are what process the drugs and can be harmed. People don’t realize how important the liver is. I would start with taking NAC, glutathione, and probably COQ10. I’m just a nobody who consumes lots of alternative health info. And also, I’d start reading Dr. Mercolas newsletter!!

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Michele's avatar

Check Spooky2 Rife system. It has several detox programs. I understand your anger. Anger is not necessarily bad. Holy anger is perfectly justified! Wishing you all the best!

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FourWinds's avatar

I think anger is good. If a person is angry, they are angry, but somehow society has put anger down as being bad. The danger lies within holding IN anger, IMO.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I do not suppose that Jesus, when overturning the moneychangers' tables in the Temple, was calm. Id est, there is a time and a place for anger being expressed.

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Michele's avatar

Only way out of that is action leading to justice (I think of those who do unspeakable to kids). No anger could mean apathy!

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RunningLogic's avatar

That is a great analogy. It makes a lot of sense.

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Linda A's avatar

My 88 year old mom is off all pharma drugs now. Over the years she has been diagnosed with this and that and always had a prescription to remedy whatever ailed her. As my eyes were slowly being opened, I would always ask her to tell me what the side effects were and how long was she supposed to take the drug. She never knew. Now she takes supplements and vitamins. You should see the raised eyebrows when the white coats see that...and sometimes two-thumbs up! Lol

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Phillip Zinni III DO FAOASM's avatar

Agree, seek a Functional / Integrative DO/MD; HMD; ND; DC; APH.

Be Well & Blessed,

Phillip

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LizardFro's avatar

There’s no physical manifestation of cancer either till it’s about to kill you. Cholesterol is complicated. It’s constantly being studied. Dr Peter Attia really gets down in the weeds about it and risk/reward benefits on a regular basis & keeps up with the latest studies - if you’re interested.

https://peterattiamd.com/why-there-is-no-bad-or-good-cholesterol/

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

I believe one reason God created all things was to blow us away with how powerful, wonderful, and complex the universe is. But we can be unappreciative, dangerously curious, and downright rotten. We discover fascinating stuff like atoms, and we make bombs out of it. We learn about DNA, and we make a deadly ā€œvaccineā€ just because it’s profitable. We unlock mysteries of human nature, and we turn it into psyops and use it against our own citizens. We’re hopeless without hope in Him.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Yup. The Greeks termed it 'hubris'. My (own) hope is in the Lord.

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Jeff C's avatar

There usually is a physical manifestation of cancer such as pain, blood, fatigue, etc. People often ignore it though until it's too late.

Plenty of people have beat cancer because the caught the symptoms early, I know because I'm one of them. The idea that cancer is completely silent until you are on death's door isn't true in the overwhelming majority of cases.

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Jeff C's avatar

Yup, I read Attia and even met him once when I bumped into him when we were on the same flight. I think he'll be the first to tell you that the conventional rules the medical industry follows to put people on statins are absurd. You are right, it's complicated, there is no one-size-fits-all standard.

IMO the closest we have to a universal screen is triglycerides to HDL ratio, the lower the better. Mine is around 1 because I eat a low carb diet and avoid all sugar. Low TG:HDL is related to all sorts of good things like pattern A LDL (large, low density), and it's also inversely related to metabolic syndrome.

My point is that the general idea that one needs to "lower their cholesterol" and must take drugs to do it is ridiculous. Very low cholesterol is clearly associated with poor health outcomes, particularly in the elderly. What's much more important is a the profile and the absence of metabolic syndrome.

The only real reason to lower cholesterol with drugs is familial hypercholesterolemia (a genetic condition) and even there the evidence isn't very strong.

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Seeking Grace's avatar

Dr. Attia was on Bari Weiss’s ā€œHonestlyā€ podcast recently. He was fascinating!

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RunningLogic's avatar

Great post Jeff C., well said. The treatment vs masking of symptoms is a real problem.

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cat's avatar

Your piece-of-paper description is spot on! I'm at a point in which I reject tests that measure something that can be manipulated/changed/"improved" by a drug. Many times, it seems that moving that number is the focus instead of treating whatever that number supposedly represents. Other times, that number is meaningless because it's not correlated with anything directly related to, or correlating with, a dangerous condition. Example: cholesterol, bone density, A1C.

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Paula's avatar

There are some useful medications, e.g. the eye drops which keep my glaucoma under control and prevent me from going blind. But I agree that most of the people I know swallow handfuls of pills daily which do nothing but make them sick(er)

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Julia C's avatar

As a former nurse and a patient with chronic disorders, very well explained. I have Crohn’s, and a trifecta of conditions hEDS, MCAS, POTS. Ever since my MCAS diagnosis especially, I have been assessing my lifestyle a great deal more, the foods I eat, the products I use, all my polypharmacy, etc., and made a LOT of changes. Coincidentally I’m actually weaning off my PPI right now after, too many years. I had done research into how it can affect your microbiome and decided I was finally done. But I’ve also been reevaluating my whole medication regimen and changing the ones I absolutely can change. I’m getting rid of yet another medication coming up in the next few months as well. Unfortunately though, no matter how many lifestyle and diet changes I make, how many triggers I try and avoid, with my MCAS I react to so much and I am reliant on pharma meds to keep that mast cell degranulation down. I wish it wasn’t so but, I am doing my best to at least make sure that my vitamins and natural treatments start outweighing the pharma drugs and I’m getting there!

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Elaine Elias's avatar

Unless you are a n organ recipient. Then meds are life or death

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

In which case, simply being an organ recipient--which status did not exist 100 years ago--is a matter of life or death.

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JustANobody's avatar

Best Comment On this stack today

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WindsofChange's avatar

I would recommend saturating yourself with a learning about herbalism and natural means of easing your body back to health. Elderberry is amazing for cold and flus, I see it more and more in stores, but have my own bush so I know that’s what I’m getting.

Also, this guy is pretty awesome and knows his stuff, Dr. Patrick Jones. He talks about plants and herbs and what they can do for us. Most, if not all medications we have, initially came from a plant source and then just the desired ā€œeffectā€ was synthesized, but there is so much more plants give us beyond that one effect.

https://homegrownherbalist.net/about-us/

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Roger Beal's avatar

Despite modern pharma's efforts, remedies that have been successfully tested on humans for centuries are still often the best cures. How else would the Chinese have thrived for these past 1,000 years?

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I planted elders 34 years ago (for wine-making), and another 6 this spring--but now have to keep them caged from deer (which were not a thing here 30 years ago). I then kept a medicinal section of my herb garden, lost it while involved in 'career', decided last year to re-instate it. Took my absinthium--5' high!--to attic Wednesday for drying. Daughter asked what was I going to do with it? "Chinese herbal medicine for people who don't get sick." I am waiting for the artem. annua to move into flowering stage before cutting it for drying.

You might enjoy the Substack "Weedom" which I discovered only two weeks ago. Also, querying 'medicinal use of (herb name)' will get you PubMed articles with references. But you probably already do that.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Artemisia Annua was offered early in the Covid scam as helpful--a pubmed paper shows that the effect of artemisinin is greater when the whole plant is used, and not simply the 'artemisinin' itself. Who would have thought?

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FourWinds's avatar

I've always questioned herbal "extracts" of plants (and by that I mean one aspect of the plant is removed and concentrated). I get it from a marketing perspective - trying to convince people something is more powerful because they have concentrated the 'active' ingredient. But, I think the creator was no fool and that plants/herbs have many benefits as a whole, not just their extracted parts.

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RandiG's avatar

WOC,

Thank you for that link to the home grown herbalist. I’m going to order from them. šŸ‘

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FH's avatar

Thank you so much! I barely make USDA Zone 9 so I’m looking forward to growing my own elderberry. And I’ve got the Home Grown Herbalist bookmarked. Tough times are on their way (I mean crisis-tough) so getting prepared.

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SusanMc's avatar

I can’t get that link to work; is it still current?

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SusanMc's avatar

Where there’s a will there’s a way; finally found the site via search etc.

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Phillip Zinni III DO FAOASM's avatar

Agree, seek a Functional / Integrative DO/MD; HMD; ND; DC; APH.

Be Well & Blessed,

Phillip

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Melissa S's avatar

Heidi Villegas is also a very knowledgeable herbalist. She has videos on YouTube and has her own herbalism school.

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Ellen's avatar

wow, excellent prepper kit!!

Thanks for sharing.

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JustANobody's avatar

Wormwood!!?

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GG's avatar

They take wormwood in Africa when they can't get HCQ. I started taking artemisia annua during the pandemic. Moringa is good too.

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JustANobody's avatar

Me too! Great Minds!!

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Connie Lemmincakes's avatar

I lost my trust of mainstream medicine back when they killed my husband with chemo. It was intensified with the scamdemic.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

I am so sorry that happened to you!

We saw it all too often when our daughter was being treated for leukemia in 2004-2007... Patients simply gave up because the sickness from chemo wasn't worth how it was making them feel. Big pHARMa isn't always the way to go!

We are grateful everyday, that our daughter survived the 4% chance she had, but if not for my physician husband who looked at every lab and questioned what the chemo was doing to her body. More than once they stopped a particular chemo, to allow her body to recover before starting again. And, they reduced the amount of cranial radiation, to protect as many brain cells as possible...per his request...

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Connie Lemmincakes's avatar

That’s exactly what they did to my husband. They never let his body rest between cycles. He had a major surgery to remove a 7 mm tumor and they immediately started him back on chemo. We went to Switzerland for treatment, which did shrink the tumors, but when we got back, they again immediately started him on chemo. He never got a break. It was awful. Here’s the blog I wrote to keep everyone informed. https://davidalemmink.com

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I have a family member who is dealing with chemo. šŸ˜ž I have done everything to redirect her to more natural healing through plant based diets, organic, and exercise and any alternative therapies to beat this. Unfortunately, even though she is awake (mostly) and unvaxxed….her go to is chemo and what the Dr says. As of now they are telling her chemo every 3 weeks for the rest of her life!! Which to them is 3-5 years or maybe longer if she stays on the chemo 😭. Among other pHarma drugs. 😭 She just won’t break past the idea of chemo. It’s heartbreaking. Doesn’t matter how many success stories I show her. She is not a researcher and just wants the easy fix. šŸ˜” Even if it means an earlier death with a perma port I guess. Ugh.

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CStone's avatar

Yes. My husband’s dad was killed by chemo.

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Connie Lemmincakes's avatar

I’m sorry CStone.

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Annie's avatar

Aww. 😪

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Speaking of natural solutions, does anyone know how to get rid of POLYPS naturally? Or cysts?

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Michele's avatar

If you have reasons to believe that they are due to toxic metal deposits, chelating with -from memory- L-Cysteine and L-Histidine could be the answer. I had a breast lump 20 years ago (probably to encase aluminium deposits from deodorant), and it disappeared in 3 weeks. We should all do metal detox anyway. There are other ways also like with zeolite...

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Lisa Ca's avatar

I’m not familiar with chelating. Definitely worth looking jnto. Do they work on polyps too?

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Michele's avatar

I search ĀØpolyps encased heavy metalĀØ and it looks like yes, it is a protective mechanism, indeed, like the breast lumps related to aluminium im deodorants. You may want to dig into that.

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Veteran's avatar

I recently read castor oil will dissolve cysts, but haven’t tried it myself.

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Dr Linda's avatar

Same unless I need stitches or a broken bone fixed. Cripes, I have my own emergency kit for wound repair and practice synthetic skin

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CH's avatar

True! I can't fix that myself! šŸ˜†

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CStone's avatar

What is synthetic skin?

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GG's avatar

It's like real skin, only it's synthetic and you can practice putting stitches in with it.

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Dr Linda's avatar

It’s practice material for people like me who would rather not learn on myself.

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Fred's avatar

Just be certain the wound is clean, and that all wounds shouldn't be closed. :)

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Fla Mom's avatar

You probably only need to worry about suturing deep layers. For the surface, you can use the new zipper-style stick-on 'sutures,' and for smaller or more superficial lacerations you can use the Special Forces-developed SuperGlue method. There's now special super glue for laceration repair, though they pioneered it with the original one.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

A silver lining from the Vietnam War.

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Dawn B's avatar

If you get sick, you are going to do your own research and figure it out like I did recently with doctor diagnosed "terminal" severe ulcerative colitis that is now gone. It took a few months but the doctor was WRONG!

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GG's avatar

I knew a woman who was so allergic to everything she couldn't go outside. She did research and started making changes in her life and the severity of the her allergies went away. She was able to lead a normal life. I wish she still lived near me because I'd like to pick her brain. What did you do to take care of your UC?

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Dawn B's avatar

I was so bad I could barely get out of bed and didn't care if I died... I was in very good shape and took no meds before this happened.

I took steroids for 3 months to allow my gut to heal and balance, made and ate/drank fermented veggies and kombucha, kefir, took a very good tumeric and just ate every carefully listening to my body's reaction slowly getting better.

....stayed away from sugar, fried foods, even coffee... There wasn't much I could eat.

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GG's avatar

I think I may have to do something similar to deal with issues I have. Part of me balks at the idea of giving up all the foods I love so much but the alternative is possibly killing me and certainly effecting my physical health which in turn effects my mental health.

Did you follow a specific eating plan? When you doctor prescribed steroids, how did you get them to agree to that? I think if I went to my doctor and said I needed steroids to allow my gut to heal and balance, they'd laugh me out of the office. I don't go there anymore, either, so they'll never get the chance! šŸ˜

Did you have an integrative or functional doctor?

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Dawn B's avatar

I didn't go back to eating all the junk either but integrated the probiotic and Prebiotic Foods and I just eat a lot less sugar and fried foods etc.

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Dawn B's avatar

I didn't have a choice but I had to change my diet. It was only temporary though. My GI doctor is the one that prescribed the steroids to calm my ulcerative colitis. I'm pretty sure you could get a prescription for prednisone from your regular doctor. Tell him you want to allow your gut to heal so your body doesn't keep attacking it. Tell him you want to do a little experiment and see if it works. Tell him if it doesn't work no harm no foul.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Share please how you dealt with UC???

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Laura Barrett's avatar

Find a functional medicine doctor, a homeopathic practitioner, meditate and start researching the many different healing modalities available to us. I started my journey from allopathic medicine user to a holistic approach when my daughter was vaccine injured in 2009. I then became very sick and was eventually diagnosed with secondary progressive multiple sclerosis. I was on 26 medications, all with black box warnings and was kicked out of my MS specialist medical practice for refusing MORE drugs. Since I was dying anyway, (according to my doctors) and could barely get out of bed , I decided to see if I could do any better than they could, at helping myself feel better. My first goal wasn’t healing, it was better daily function. I succeeded there and realized I could heal my body, get well and live a long healthy life! I weaned off all of my medications, and have been fully in remission since 2020. My body is now regenerating myelin and I’ve regained 90% of the function that I lost from 2010-2020 in around two years. Healing is possible and helping people navigate their own healing processes, with hope and humor is what I do for a living now ( previously I was fully disabled and bedridden). I’m currently transitioning my private business onto to social media platforms to help more people. Side note: I’m not against all allopathic medicine!! Sometimes it’s necessary ( think burst appendix) life saving but must always include true informed consent!!

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Seeking Grace's avatar

Your story is inspiring! Congratulations and hallelujah! šŸ™ŒšŸ¼

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Jan Dickmeyer's avatar

Exactly my feeling.

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Christine Zuleger's avatar

Dr. Shawn McCaffery is Holistic doctor from Springfield, Illinois... check him out !!! Also he gets what time it is !!!!!!!!

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SusanMc's avatar

I now have an internist who works w/ any willing patients to get off Pharma drugs & basically adapt holistic strategies.

He actually does his own research & creates his patient printouts on various health issues with natural or supplemental remedies (as I’m a visual learner these sheets of info are helpful to me). He listens to his patients & converses w/ them to actually ā€œknowā€ all he can.

My previous internist recommended cv shots but refused my requests for Ivermectin and/or Ivermectin prescriptions. That did it for me.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

friends of mine, a family of 7, have not been to the doctor in 10+ years. If something is wrong healthwise, they look it up online, then find a holistic doc, sometimes several states away, call or email, and get help, usually the consult is pricey, but the therapy, herbs, usually very cheap and easily available. We need to take our health in our own hands again. It might take some trouble at first, but once you know where to go, it is easier than to go to a doctor who guesses and then gives you antibiotics and cortizone ( even vets fall in that category, we already found a vet who is different, I would not hesitiate to ask the vet about my health either)

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Samantha Gluck's avatar

ā€œPharma-vision!ā€ Fantastic description of their mindset!

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Karmy's avatar

Please investigate homeopathy. Its been around for over 200 years before Rockefeller created the current medical system creating drugs from petroleum. Homeopathy is based on physics and energy. Homeopathy treats symptoms and does not have side effects like conventional drugs. It is used all over the world successfully.

https://meridianhealthclinic.com/how-rockefeller-created-the-business-of-western-medicine/

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Gabriella's avatar

Maybe look into & find Integrative/Functional doctors before you get sick. I believe they will treat alternatively.

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FourWinds's avatar

"pharma-vision" - I love it! And totally accurate, too. I don't trust anyone, either.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

As far as the PPI’s go…..I was on prescription acid reflux pills for almost 10 years! The insurance company refused to pay for them and told me it was no longer covered after being on them a couple years. Then had an endoscopy and that doctor put me back on them saying it was fine to be on them longer…just not long term. 8 years later - still on them. My new doc just kept prescribing away without even a discussion about it!

Thanks to some great discussion on here last year with Eric and others…. I went off them using apple cider vinegar. It wa da rough first couple weeks but I powered through. I have been off and free of those pHarma pills for a year now and easily manage the acid reflux that happens (I can count the episodes on one hand) with non-pHarma measures.

I bring this up because while on them I had horrible memory issues! I was very afraid I would have Alzheimer’s at a young age. Now being off them for a year my thinking has cleared up tremendously! I still have memory issues but I can tell a huge difference I my ability to think clearly!!! I advise everyone I know now to get off those poison pills!! There are other ways to deal with acid reflux. ACV is only one way.

Thank you C&Cers for the help from a year ago to regain my health freedom!

PS- After that I got off another pill I was on and I broke my addiction to Diet Coke! No more pop or pills! šŸ™Œ šŸ™Œ

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WindsofChange's avatar

This is great! I’ve used ginger also for acid reflux. Usually the fresh or dried. Works almost instantly, plus has a ton more other benefits. Imagine that, taking something that helps AND has more positives instead of creating more problems. It’s like our bodies were made for it or something.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

That is good information too!! I will tuck that gem away (the ginger) for a rare occasion it creeps up. Thanks!

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Noi Helmick's avatar

I got off 10 years of omeprazole with aloe Vera juice, and not eating after 6-7pm. Glad I did!

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JHenry's avatar

I carry ā€œginger rescueā€ chewable tablets with me at all times. They really help, and are convenient when you are not at home.

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Aryenis's avatar

Ginger tea is a go-to for me. Great for stomach discomforts and even when no digestive issues. Most days I enjoy a cup. Keep a strong batch on hand in the fridge. (Chop up a cup or so of ginger. Fill up the pot with water and simmer for a few hours. Then into a pitcher and the fridge.) For daily cup, pour a little of the strong fridge tea in a mug and fill up mug with boiling water. I add plenty of lemon juice and some honey, which is how it was served in a tearoom in Seoul. Delicious, if you like ginger.

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Sharon's avatar

Do you take the skin off the ginger before soaking? I have been making my own ginger lemon tea for a couple years but take the skin off the ginger first.

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FourWinds's avatar

Huge fan of ginger, too! I make my own ginger ale. Might not be the healthiest since I have to use carbonated water, but it is sooooo good! Definitely helps with digestion. But, I can't use it in the summer because I run very, very, very hot and ginger makes it worse.

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Robin Esau's avatar

Ginger is great! It even stops my hiccups.

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laura-ann Knox's avatar

I take calcium for occasional reflux (the kind that wakes you up and you think you're going to die). Just chew up some old fashioned Tums. Works great.

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Copernicus's avatar

Homeopathic natrum phosphoricum (nat phos) 6x can be used to alleviate symptoms of reflux.

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Baga's avatar

Be careful with the Tums. They contain aluminum which crosses the brain blood barrier. It seems like almost nothing is safe...

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Dick's avatar

Check to see what alt docs — Mercola, Axe & others say about hydrochloric acid & restoring balance. Very important!

Often the problem is NOT ENOUGH ACID, lack of enzymes & a host of other things that can be fixed with some changes. Knowledge.

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Andrea Leshok's avatar

Tums are not a good option.

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Tee's avatar

I was on Nexium for YEARS! I think it made reflux worse. Spent a decade feeling like crap. I actually think it depleted my healthy gi acid so much I was vitamin and mineral deficient. I was exhausted to the point of feeling sick. The ā€œprofessionalsā€ brushed me off. Then I started researching myself. Changed my diet and stopped taking meds. I feel great! Used to work in ā€œhealthcare.ā€ Had to leave as I was so disappointed in their ways.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

Enzymedica makes a great natural med for heart burn, acid reflux. It is plant based and absolutely works. My acid reflux was immediately stopped as soon as I drank it down. I believe the company is German...

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SusanMc's avatar

Link to company? Please

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

We bought it in a health food store in P-cola. Our daughter knew about it from her work with companies who market to those of us who want nothing to do with Big pHARMa.... She's smart as a whip, reads labels and can spout off about every artifical and or harmful additive. I drank it, small glass bottleful. Immediately felt the reflux go away! (All plant based).

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SusanMc's avatar

Would you share the health food store name in Pensacola? Thanks!

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

Ever'man. 315 W Garden Street

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Emumundo's avatar

I was on Prilosec for years. My anemia became so bad I couldn’t walk so I quit meds and started researching. Anemia is a side effect. Then the light went on, why did I think it was a good idea to take a medication that cuts down your stomach acid? How am I going to get nutrients if stomach acid doesn’t dissolve the food?

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Amazing! Congratulations to you for taking your health into your own hands.

Sorry to hear you had to leave the profession. Hopefully new doors opened to you!

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Sharon Wood's avatar

Interesting that ACV being acidic would work. I’ve read it treats numerous issues. One an Orthopedic Dr. told me his mother got off statins by using AVC for a year and her cholesterol went down.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Wow. I’m struggling with cholesterol right now and working tirelessly to change diet and exercise to bring it down. I will remember that if my changes don’t do the trick. They should as I am hitting it head on with full force right now. I already told my dr I won’t be taking pills for it. I will handle it myself. šŸ’ŖšŸ»

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SadieJay's avatar

The cholesterol numbers are something thought up by those who want to sell drugs. I weighed in obese, and cholesterol numbers were 204, bad was high good was low, etc. Doctor recommended statins, as she always did!! I lost 65 lbs, and only eat unprocessed food. After a year eating like this my total cholesterol went up to 350, the good kind went up and the bad kind went down. So, I think our bodies know what to do and how to act and I refuse to have anymore of those tests done. And...if it makes her feel better to know my cholesterol numbers, fine. But I am not being prescribed anything. We are fearfully and wonderfully made and if I am doing my part then my body will do it's part because I cherish it and take care of myself.♄♄♄

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Yes! And I am weighing that kind of info. With mine too.

You have made fantastic changes! I love it! Congratulations!!! If I could lose more weight I’d be happy! I’m working on that too! 😊

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June M's avatar

I’ve had cholesterol in the 200’s ever since it was first tested. There is family history of it being high with an aunt even having it in the 400’s. Also history of heart problems but I wonder how much is related to lifestyle choices (smoking, food) so I don’t put a lot into the numbers but mine has been going up towards the 300’s. Thankfully my doctor doesn’t push the statins and even told me that they are based on red yeast rice when I asked about taking that(um hello, then just tell us to take that). I had the best test results ( all my numbers were lower and higher as needed!) this last time and the things I changed in the last year was taking the red yeast rice regularly, drinking a little red wine a few times a week, taking Berberine HCL along with my CoQ10, and a product from doTerra. I am working on losing weight as I was down about 20 lbs the last time my numbers looked close to this. I refuse to take medication that is just going to create more problems.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I’ve not heard of red yeast rice. I’ve been drinking organic matcha tea, eating avocados, taking chia and flax seeds in green smoothies and on salads once a day, eating a handful of walnuts here and there, cut back on a lot of red meats, eating more salads, fish oil (which I hear is controversial because of what the pills are), and introduced a quality probiotic. Focusing on heart healthy foods really. I stopped eating sausage and bacon and other junk foods I used to eat. I also started exercising regularly besides just the yard work.

I think if after changing all this for 6 months if that doesn’t lower my numbers where they need to be I’ll look into red yeast rice! Thanks for the tip!

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RandiG's avatar

Sunnydaze,

I looked into Red Yeast Rice. It acts as a statin and has the same side effects. After I found that out it went in the garbage.

I’ve done a TON of research. Running Logic gave me some great doctors to look up and have been listening to podcasts. Dr William Davis is very good.

So, cholesterol isn’t the issue. It is triglycerides which are produced from processed carbs.

AND....VERY IMPORTANT....get a Calcium Score test done. This is the true gold standard on a predictor for a heart attack or heart disease. My cholesterol is 260. My calcium score is 0. Cholesterol is not a predictor of anything really.

Last thing, if you need calcium DO NOT take calcium supplements. Eat green leafy vegetables. Free floating calcium has been why many females over 50 have had heart attacks. The plaque build up in arteries is from calcium.

Oh man!! I was on a steep learning curve the past 3 weeks. The podcast are great though. Do a search on cholesterol on your podcast app. The only lifestyle change I am making is eating more fish. I already eliminated sugar, junk food and a lot of dairy. Don’t drive yourself crazy. Get a calcium score. It’s not covered by insurance and is about $100. ā¤ļø

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Thank you! This is great information. I will check into all this! I have heard what you are saying before too. So this confirms things.

If your calcium score is 0 does that mean you need more calcium? And if it’s too high that’s what can cause the heart attacks?

I’m going to look up the podcast too but I thought I’d ask.

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Andrea Leshok's avatar

Low carb is known, ironically, for lowering cholesterol.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Look up keto and cancer!! Blow my mind and who's telling you!?!? Also hyperbolic oxygen, simple will known cure for almost everything but Covid!!

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Copernicus's avatar

Have you read Dr. William Davis or listened to The Fat Emperor, Ivor Cummins podcasts? Cholesterol is not a problem. There is no reason to lower it.

Inflammation is worth addressing. And lowering triglycerides. Both of which respind nicely to a well formulated low carb high natural fat diet.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I just found out about that doctor today on C&C. Will look into him. Thanks!!!I’ll check out the others too.

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JustANobody's avatar

Oh yes it works. Great for so many things. EarthClininc.com is a great site. Folks like us with all natural solutions. You can search by ailment and all kinds of remedies pop up!! I cured a toothache with activated charcoal and swallowed some garlic for the infection.

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SadieJay's avatar

I tried to look that up and couldn't get to the site. It is www.earthclinic.com Little typo in that link. Thanks!

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JustANobody's avatar

Yes. Weird. Try using Brave or DDG for search engine.

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LostGen's avatar

I just learned during my recent pregnancy that oftentimes heartburn is caused by a lack of acid in the diet, causing your body to produce its own and sometimes it makes too much. My midwife told me that's why pregnant women so commonly have pickle cravings, to combat the common pregnancy symptom of heartburn. :) God programmed our bodies to know all of this for us. We're just catching up, or undoing the damage our hubris has done. In any case, my midwife recommended apple cider vinegar too, including in a capsule form (easier to handle on a pregnant, nauseous tummy:) made for heartburn. Cleared that symptom right up and the rest of my pregnancy was smooth and now I have a beautiful baby daughter. Not that heartburn would have changed that outcome, but just in case anyone was wondering how the story ended. :)

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Baga's avatar

I must have missed it, but what is AVC? Thanks.

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Andrea Leshok's avatar

Apple cider vinegar. Go with braggs or another quality brand.

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JW's avatar

Papaya enzymes are also great for indigestion and they taste good.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I used those too but they didn’t get rid of the problem for me. Definitely helped ease it a bit though.

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JW's avatar

The trick is to drink a full glass of water with them.

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AM's avatar

WTG Sunnydaze! My gastroenterologist (who is very med-wary and a great doc) wanted me to try a PPI due to some throat issues but I have held off. Weirdly I have never felt much reflux.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

GERD is one of the most over diagnosed conditions and the medication is more harmful for you than the condition itself. To tell you how often health practitioners default to that diagnosis I’m going to share a recent situation that happened to me. I had more than the usual allergy symptoms this spring and finally decided to do allergy testing just to see what, if anything, I was allergic to. Well all the skin pricks on my back were negative but the nurse practitioner commented that my voice sounded hoarse. I told her it’s always been that way but was more pronounced after I had a prolonged URI in Dec. 2019 and I lost my voice for about a week. She immediately told me I have GERD, without looking at my throat, doing any testing or further conversation. I responded that no I don’t have GERD, I’ve never experienced acid reflux, don’t eat or drink anything that is a trigger for those with GERD and, in fact, was referred to an EMT following that extreme laryngitis who did a complete GERD workup which was negative. She ignored me and gave me coupons for GERD medication, information sheets on GERD, and lecturing me about how GERD can cause cancer. I finally got up, said you aren’t listening to me and left the room. Unbelievable.

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Seeking Grace's avatar

How very frustrating šŸ˜’ You did the right thing by leaving!

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FourWinds's avatar

Agree 100% on ACV. There isn't much that stuff can't do. Thing with acid blockers is your stomach is designed to be acidic. So by blocking acid, your body just tries to make more, then you have a higher dose of meds, your body tries to make more acid to digest your food, etc. etc. etc. Never ending cycle.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Thank you! You explained it better than I did. šŸ™Œ

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AngelaK's avatar

How much do you take, mixed with water (?) and what time of day. Thank you.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I started with 2 Tbsp mixed with a small cup of water. I almost threw up. I was so nauseated. I did it once in the morning for a couple mornings. I rinsed my mouth out really good after so the acid didn’t stay on my teeth. I only did it once a day but others have to do it 2-3x a day for a bit. I tried mixing lemon with it, lemonade and some other drinks but none of it helped šŸ˜‚. I resorted to 1Tbsp in a shot glass and just went for it over the sink in case I threw up. My special needs daughter was pretty grossed out that I might throw up šŸ˜‚.

After the 3rd morning I skipped a morning. Flare up! So I did it again for a few days then skipped a day. Flare up! Repeated this for a couple weeks and then suddenly no flare up! Then once a week for good measure for a few weeks. No flare up. Then a month went by. And another. Now, if I have a flare up I do an ACV shooter and it settles down. One time it didn’t settle down so I used baking soda and water. Drank a little, maybe a tsp in a small glass and voila! But I have heard not to use baking soda regularly as that has its own issues. But for an emergency it worked!

I didn’t change anything I was eating. Still eat spicy foods! šŸ˜‹. (I have since changed the way I eat now anyway and cut out lots of sugars and junk and eat lots of organic and veggies I’m growing. But it wasn’t because I was having acid reflux. It was my choice).

However, I did find a certain food over the past year definitely caused the flare ups so I did stop eating a specific food that was the guilty culprit. Needed to stop eating it anyway as it was crap junk food. It was my once in a while guilty pleasure - pop tarts! šŸ˜‚ I stopped immediately when I realized it was causing a flare up. Don’t miss them one bit! šŸ˜‰

I hope that amount of info will be helpful to you!

Just remember it will not be fun for a while until you figure it out. Make sure the ACV has the mother in it like Braggs.

Lots of research shows that acid reflux can be caused from not enough acid. But the PPI’s reduce acid levels which puts a bandaid on the problem. When in reality the acid reflux is from not enough acid. Which is why ACV can help. If you haven’t researched acid reflux do so. You will be armed with lots of knowledge and know how to proceed for your body. šŸ’ŖšŸ»

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Roger Beal's avatar

Three non-pharma approaches to reducing reflux, especially night-time bouts:

1) No acidic / fatty / sugary foods in the evening. That means bye-bye red sauces on pasta (use seasoned olive oils), no chocolate sundaes, no big ol' fried burgers.

2) Try Acid Reflux Complete tonic from Complete Natural Products in Utah; it's every bit as effective as cider vinegar but does not have that gakkk taste: https://cnpusa.com/products/acid-reflux-complete

3) Try Gaviscon Advance tablets before lying down to sleep. They provide an alginate-based barrier over your natural stomach acid, which helps it stay in place and not rise into the esophagus: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7318318/

These are readily available on eBay and Amazon; they're made in the UK (and if I understand correctly, our ever-brilliant FDA will not approve them for US sale).

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Reb's avatar

My husband suffers from reflux and we've raised the top end of our bed with 6 inch platforms which seems to help a lot and keeps him off the pharmaceuticals. This keeps the reflux from going up the esophagus as that process is known to lead to esophageal cancer overtime.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Excellent resources! Thanks!

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Cynthia Ford's avatar

You know, oddly enough, when I started intermittent fasting a few months back, I was having wicked indigestion all the time. The only time it wasn't bad was when I ate berries and salad at dinner. I had thought it might be just somaticized stress, but now I never have it at all. All I'm doing is limiting eating to a 6 hour window, but Dr. Paul Marik says even that is enough to stimulate autophagy. They have fasting videos from Dr. Been and Dr. Marik at FLCCC. I'm thinking of doing a series of longer fasts just to clear whatever spike I may have been exposed to. It makes evolutionary sense to me since the hominins were always starving, so we would've evolved in that environment. Most religions besides Pharmaism and Wokeism have fasting traditions. My friend's sister was hooked on antacids, got MS, and ended up on 68 different meds daily before she died. No knowing if the antacids were causal, but why take the chance, even if the MSM is just throwing something under the bus to make it appear that they give a #$%! about our health. Like sure, try and sell me that bridge lol.

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Sharon's avatar

Omg I’m so laughing as pop tarts are my husbands guilty pleasure and he struggles w acid reflex and would have never put the 2 together!

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Oh hahahahahahhaa!!! That is so funny! I hesitated to out myself on here for liking pop tarts so much!! Who would’ve ever guessed I wasn’t alone! šŸ˜‚ šŸ˜‚

I was shocked too when the acid reflux was gone and then happened after eating a pop tart 😳. I thought it must be a fluke. So I tried it again at another time. And then again! šŸ˜‚ I so wanted my experiment to fail šŸ˜‚. Nope. Haven’t had one since my third clinical trial. šŸ˜‚

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Cheryl Sutcliffe's avatar

Thanks for this information!

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AngelaK's avatar

I dont care for myself but my husband who doesnt get heartburn all the time, but sometimes, and would take a tums or a real ginger candy (great for the stomach btw) and was fine. However he just had an upper endoscopy. He has a hiatal hernia (which is most likely the contributor)and first stage Barretts. Ofcourse the doctor immediately called in pantoprazole. We are looking for alternatives because pantoprazole can also be cancer causing. (as can the Barrets esophagus).

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I was on Pantoprazole! First RX was Omeprazole. They changed manufacturing and it started giving me severe GI issues. So switched me to Pantoprazole the last 5 years. Best of luck as you go on this health journey! Research a lot and I am confident you will find a non-pHarma solution. The time it takes to research is well worth it. I am amazed at how much alternative medical information is out there but it’s all been kept away via MD’s and the medical establishment. Ask God for help too! I was praying a lot because I didn’t even know how to start attempting this. Then the C&C discussion about it came out of nowhere and šŸ’” BOOM! It equipped me with enough info to start researching my issues.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

' I was praying a lot.... C&C discussion.... came out of nowhere"--in my own experience, that is how God contacts me. I used to recognize these shoulder-taps only after the fact. Now I look for them. Such joy to think that He cares for me so much (the sparrow....)

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Copernicus's avatar

Homeopathic nat phos 6x can treat the acute symptoms of reflux. Nux vomica 30C mayuproot it, used twice a day until very much better. However, homeopathy is rather individualized, so best to read some before starting a chronic remedy.

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JustANobody's avatar

EarthClinic.com is a great site for ailments and remedies. Alot about ACV.

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Roger Beal's avatar

A more flavorful route to the same happy destination than apple cider vinegar is this:

https://cnpusa.com/products/acid-reflux-complete

They offer other tonics targeted at other health issues as well. Recommended!

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Phillip Zinni III DO FAOASM's avatar

Agree, seek a Functional / Integrative DO/MD; HMD; ND; DC; APH.

Be Well & Blessed,

Phillip

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Lisa Ca's avatar

ACV and probiotics. Probiotics will do wonders for the gut.

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MoM's avatar

This is just so good. Congrats and I commend you.

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Sharing and Caring's avatar

Stocking up the Medicine Chest, this one included (has the ACV in it)

Acid Reflux Relief at:

globalhealing.com

All natural organic ingredients

This site is a great source of educational material and natural solutions.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

šŸ™Œ

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Diane C.'s avatar

Years ago I took a new medicine and fortunately only took it a week before throwing it away because the side effects were so awful. Six months later it was pulled from the market because, oops, it can damage the heart. I vowed then to never take a new medication until it had been out at least five years. And I started living healthier instead of looking for that magical weight loss drug (93# loss the old fashion way).

Good recommendation. I’m modifying my five year rule with using drugs as the last option. My trust in the pharmaceutical industry is zip.

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Laura Barrett's avatar

I have a 20 year rule for all meds or procedures, as in I don’t use them unless it’s been practiced for 20 years. It takes that long for all of the bad stuff to come out.... think chantix...

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🌱NardšŸ™'s avatar

Yep. Whenever I request Semprex as a decongestant, my docs almost always push a newer drug. I say NOPE. This one has always worked for me. No side effects. No issues. I rarely take it, but when I feel a sinus infection coming on, this knocks it out immediately. No new drugs for this old dog...

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Aryenis's avatar

I had the same experience several decades ago, and developed exactly the same guideline for myself - no new pharma less than 5 yrs after official release. And avoid and research all pharma as much as possible. Prepared me well for covid pharma avoidance.

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eyes open's avatar

Recently I have been wondering something: since the jabs clearly contained harmful ingredients inside, is it likely that even common prescription medications also contain harmful ingredients?

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GG's avatar

That's not a bad question.

You know the antidepressants they've been prescribing since the 80s, it recently came out drug makers have no idea what they do, but they don't increase the manufacture of serotonin. I think it's safe to assume we've been lied to for years about the things we're ingesting. Jeff recommends not taking anything developed after 2000. I'm thinking maybe we shouldn't take anything after 1960 or 1970. A DPT shot in 1993 killed my child, so I'm probably predisposed to believe the worst

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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

Exactly!!! You're exactly right! This was one thing in Pharm School that I always thought off. We can't measure "depression" or "serotonin" (or pain for that matter) like we can measure "blood pressure".. so WHY are we prescribing stronger doses for something that is purely subjective?

And I'm so so sorry to hear about your child. Nothing but positivity being sent your way :)

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Jeff C's avatar

Yup, all the "chemical imbalance" stuff is a BS theory that more and more evidence refutes. Pharma and their shills claim this stuff corrects broken brain chemistry but they have no way of knowing this or testing it. It's a theory. If your doctor recommends these drugs then ask him, "what test can you run now to show my brain chemistry is disturbed, and then rerun after taking the drug to show it's been corrected?" Your doctor will be forced to admit it doesn't exist.

They claim these drugs fix brain chemistry because they make people feel better or result in more socially acceptable behavior. Back before I got sober, a half-pint of whiskey made me feel better too, so I guess I was treating broken brain chemistry? That is it made me fell better until it didn't any more, much like these psychotropic drugs.

These drugs often make people (kids in particular) behave in a more socially acceptable fashion because they blunt emotions. How is that treatment? Getting your kids stoned on pot so they stare off into space like zombies would also reduce impulsive behavior so I guess that is treatment also?

All of this stuff is a lie. Pharma realized there was a huge untapped market of people who enjoy the zombie like state of mind-altering drugs. They realized they could take the illegal drug users of the 60's and 70's and turn them into lifetime customers with the profits going to them instead of the corner drug dealer. It's absolutely no different, and the fact that doctors push this stuff and mindlessly parrot pharma talking points is downright criminal. They are *no* different from the corner drug dealer.

And if you are taking daily psychotropic meds, and are anything short of psychotic, you really need to ask yourself if this is in your best interest.

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GG's avatar

From my own observations, I think a lot of alcohol and drug use comes from not knowing how to deal with issues. Drugs and alcohol provide an excellent escape; you don't think about all the awful stuff when you're drugged/drunk, but if a thought slips through, what do you care? I also think a lot of TV and social media has the same effect. These are ways of disconnecting from your problems. It's not healthy. Back in the day, you had to get up before sunrise to take care of the animals before you went to work the fields. I believe that physical activity gave a person an opportunity to consider things in life - you can't get away from your problems when you're slaving away in the sun and your livelihood depends on the sweat of your brow. I think the physicality of the old way of life made it nearly impossible to be bored - who has time to be bored when you literally can't take another step? I don't currently have any way of proving my hypothesis, but would like to move to the middle of nowhere and see if I'm on to something.

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Emumundo's avatar

My sister used to teach third grade and was also in charge of the after school program. She said at 3:00 every day there was a line of students waiting for their meds. 3 rd graders!!!! For a period of time my son was having some mental issues and we played pharmaceutical roulette with psych drugs. PSYCH DRUGS ARE THE WORST! It was heartbreaking to watch the side effects and see these drugs turn him into a zombie. I’m sorry I didn’t catch on to the medical grift years ago. They are experimenting on us. Yes, vioxx helped my headaches but at least I lived to be able to have more of them.

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Katrina the Hurricane's avatar

I think you are spot on. I think of all the poor kids who are taking ADD/ADHD drugs when the vast majority need to just get outside and run off some energy. I’m sure there’s a study somewhere showing a decrease in PE and / or recess time and an increase in ADHD.

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GG's avatar

Back when my boys were little, lots of other boys were going on ADD/ADHD medications. I remember the teachers complaining that the boys didn't sit still, they had trouble paying attention, they were too active... My impression was that teachers only wanted to teach girls because they did sit still, they did pay attention, they weren't too active. It played nicely with this idea that masculinity is toxic. I had people push me to put my boys on those drugs. I never thought of their behavior as problematic though. To my mind, they behaved like boys so there was no call to medicate them.

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Katrina the Hurricane's avatar

Kids in general are supposed to be active! Of course they have trouble paying attention! Most kids are kinesthetic learners—meaning they learn best when they are moving. And it’s just wrong to think they’re gonna sit still in a chair for 6-8 hours per day. That’s why our culture medicates them—to keep them in their chair. We did our lessons at a fast pace, played games to reinforce concepts, did board work so they could get up out of their seat and move, and took breaks so kids could run and play. That’s why homeschools, private schools, and charter schools are starting to take off. Most of them have a more classical philosophy of education.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Good for you. I had many students being ā€œtreatedā€ for ADHD. Strong correlation between that and having two working-professional parents. The kids with ā€œattention disordersā€ were exceptionally bright, curious, and creative. They’d probably been bored with school for years before Ritalin turned them into chapped-lipped zombies. The supposedly hyper students had two things in common: they were boys, and their parents had no idea how to teach them self-control and how to channel their energy. Ritalin didn’t cure them. It just slowed them down. It’s horrifying to see otherwise intelligent adults doping up their own kids to control behavior.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Well said, Jeff. Especially the part about whiskey.

"The doctor says it will kill me, but he won't say when".

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Fla Mom's avatar

Jeff, C, you might 'enjoy' listening to this speaker from the Hillsdale College Center for Constructive Alternatives conference on Big Pharma. His history of the pharmaceutical industry is revealing.

https://freedomlibrary.hillsdale.edu/programs/cca-iv-big-pharma/big-pharma-and-the-opioid-epidemic

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Jeff C's avatar

Thanks! Well worth the watch. I had no idea the Sacklers despicable actions went back seventy years.

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Fla Mom's avatar

I've been amazed to learn how much has been happening for so long, on all fronts, without my being aware of it, despite considering myself to be well-informed and -educated. I was neither. I'm sorry for the great suffering the COVID debacle has caused and continues to cause, but I'm grateful for the silver lining of more awareness of reality by many. May we be successful in turning the 'ship' around.

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LizardFro's avatar

It’s in my family’s/husband’s best interest 🤣

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Jeff C's avatar

Haha, I love it. Kudos for your honesty.

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AngelaK's avatar

Interesting fact: the first line of help for depression in Germany is the herb St John's Wort.

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Valerie's avatar

Don’t forget the study last year that said moderate exercise outdoors (like a walk) was more effective for depression than SSRIs. I’ve always wondered how much depression has to do with low vitamin D... I never feel better, more energized and optimistic than after simply taking a walk.

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Valerie's avatar

I should have said ā€˜mild’ depression.

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MKnight's avatar

My first line, too. That and vitamin D are all the boost I need - even in today’s super bizarre world.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

Not everyone can tske St John's Wort... I recall the health food industry started putting it in snack foods and found that out...

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AngelaK's avatar

It is better to try it though rather than to try antidepressants.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

Oh, absolutely! Anti-depressants are horrible! Look how many there are and the average number of different ones they dispense, trying to find one that works! Ugh! Our daughter was one more yhan one at times and had a bad reaction to a newer one, Latuda, that put her in the rehab unit for suicidal thoughts!! Never again!

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Connie Lemmincakes's avatar

Look into all the mass shootings and psychotropics. The dots connect.

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LostGen's avatar

That's it exactly. Everyone talks about America being a fun culture and that's the reason, but of course it's always been a gun culture and that never happened. But no one ever mentions that Americans take more prescription drugs than all other countries combined!!!

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Renee Sommers's avatar

I took Prozac for a year back in 1996. It helped me tremendously as I was seriously depressed, as in wanting to slit my wrists depressed. I stopped taking it after a year because I wanted to try a weight loss drug that interfered with the Prozac. That didn’t work...lol. But, I felt so much better I didn’t start taking it again. About 4-6 years later I started feeling the depression creeping back up. At the same time I started seeing a Chiropractor. After a few months I noticed that the day after my adjustment I wouldn’t feel depressed. I asked my Chiropractor about it and she said ā€œDepression is in your neck on the Axis bone, getting adjusted resets your computer.ā€

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Roger Beal's avatar

Chiropracty (like exercise) can release serotonin.

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CStone's avatar

And most health insurance (what a scam) doesn’t pay for chiropractic

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Renee Sommers's avatar

Right? And it helps so much. I tell people all the time if I hadn’t started going 16 years ago, I’d need a hip replacement by now.

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

I’m so sorry

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mm's avatar

Sorry for the loss of your child, GG. Agree with your thoughts.

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AngelaK's avatar

I am so sorry. šŸ™

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Katrina the Hurricane's avatar

So sorry for your loss.Thank you for your honesty and trusting us to hear your heart.

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Mary Mc's avatar

🄺🄺🄺

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

LOVE your avatar = : )

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Mary Mc's avatar

Thanks. The fine print is hard to see. The picture was "borrowed" from Jovan Pulitzer. šŸ˜‰

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Valerie's avatar

I’ve always been inclined away from using pharma, but after the last 3 years, I wonder if we really understand the long term impacts of any drug, especially when used in combination with others.

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Tonya's avatar

None of the vaccines have ever been studied in combination with each other or with other medications, yet doctors routinely tell patients it's fine to take them together.

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Valerie's avatar

That’s exactly what I’m saying! And docs are so eager to just keep prescribing. I had a client a couple of years ago who was having these horrible headaches that the docs couldn’t figure out, they eventually diagnosed her with ā€˜complicated migraines’. She was at one point on 28 meds a day (!) and her health got worse and worse. I wish I could say she figured it out and got better. Although she has worked to get off many of the meds, her health has done nothing but deteriorate since then. It’s absolutely heartbreaking.

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Annie's avatar

They do. I think tptb and the medical community are exposing the side effects of these drugs now to cover up for all the side effects of the vaxx. Remember #ABV! Never the vaxx. Whoops the fda let this bad drug slip through. Oh no! They got it covered now. Don't worry. It's not what the antivaxxers think it is.

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Jan Dickmeyer's avatar

I think you are right Annie. Their supposed tell alls 20 years late coincide perfectly with all the weird suspicious onslaught of new, old, or just plain rare medical conditions arising presumably since the jabs were introduced.

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Annie's avatar

It is a serious deflection of the monstrosity that is the vaxx. It's nexium! (not the vaxx) shh šŸ¤”

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Runemasque's avatar

Dr. Mihalcea has been showing in her substack the nanotechnology in insulin.

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Celayne Jones's avatar

What about OTC medications? They seem toxic as well. I just packaged up a bunch of unused OTC pills to take to the police station where they will get rid of unwanted drugs. Since they are toxic I think it’s better than tossing them into a landfill or down the toilet.

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FourWinds's avatar

I believe they might. If nothing else, many contain binders, artificial colors, and perhaps magnesium stearate to prevent clumping in capsules. Some have preservatives. Read your vitamin bottles, too.

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Colleen The Queen's avatar

Apple cider vinegar with the ā€œmotherā€, a few teaspoons with water 3x a day and my gerd and hiatal hernia were gone in a week to 10 days. No doctor ever told me this but I found it searching holistic medicine.

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JustANobody's avatar

Go check out EarthClinicCom. Best site ever ! Ailments and Remedies galore! Thousands of comments from users and it's all natural stuff!

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Connie Lemmincakes's avatar

That is an amazing discovery coming from someone in the industry. I hope and pray more and more wake up to the harms of big pharma. There’s so much healing available in natural medicine.

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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

Thanks for this! Sasha is also from Pharma and left as well! She's also a really good substack to follow:

https://sashalatypova.substack.com/

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Jen's avatar

As a naturopath who doesn't prescribe any drugs, I tell clients to ask their prescribing practitioner for milestones or biomarkers that must be achieved to avoid the drug or to get off the drug. The latter question is apparently quite perplexing to most prescribers.

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

I am going to show this to my husband . I need to get him to stop this stuff.

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Samantha Gluck's avatar

Make sure you talk to him and show him studies. That’s how I convinced my husband.

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

Ya..I will be doing this. I have let him him do these for so long. I just texted him all this info. But now we have to have a plan for weaning off of them. And a plan for helping heartburn otherwise. Bali g soda is a magic cure for me when I need it. So let the games begin. Grateful for this slap on the face this morning🤦🤺

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

While his heart burn goes down my cortisol will be rising šŸ˜ praying God will vanquish my worry, and grace me with a grateful attitude and also tough as nails determination to see this through.

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

Baking soda

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Annie's avatar

The scamdemic with the supposedly safe and effective vaxx opened the eyes of all my family. Now if they go to any msm medical solution I always say "Hey! I gotta safe and effective vaxx for you. You can trust me." Works every time.

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SB's avatar

And BTW, poor gut health leads to a lot of problems with other areas of health. Poor gut health has been linked to numerous autoimmune diseases like MS (which was actually one of the first to be linked to poor gut health).

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Christy's avatar

Thank you so much for your advice!!! It’s nice to see doctors seeing what’s happening!

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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

Thanks! Some of us are aware to what's happening in. The problem is that we're either silenced or being portrayed as the "minority"

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Christy's avatar

I have 3 out of 4 kids serving in the military and they have to be silent about how they feel too. It’s so hard for them to serve our present idiot in chief. I pray more people stand up for our countries beginning beliefs. God speed sir!

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eyes open's avatar

I have relatives serving also. My biggest concern is that this Fall they will sneak the covid shot in with the mandatory flu shot.

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Christy's avatar

Totally agree! I’ve told them about everything and they are very aware of what’s happening. But they are adults now and have to make their own decision. I’ve told them I’d rather have them come live at home than take that damn jabšŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø

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AJF's avatar

May your numbers increase!šŸ¤—

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Politico Phil's avatar

Interesting. My youngest son also has a Doctorate in Pharmacy from U of F.

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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

Nice! I work with a couple of colleagues from there!

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Politico Phil's avatar

He works for a pharmacology firm based in Chicago. We live in NW FL. He is their national director for specialty therapies which includes IVIG, immunoglobulin therapy. IVIG has become a go-to for the vaxx injured who have tried everything else without success especially for neurological issues. But it is very expensive and insurance usually doesn't cover it as it is experimental.

Back when the mandates started, his VP boss asked if he was going to get the shot. My son told him that he was a doctor of pharmacy and that he had looked at the data and that there was no way he or his family would ever take the shot. He said the vaxx made no sense and was all BS. Later he and his team got letters from HR telling them the shot is required. My son created a very simple exemption letter based on the new law that Surgeon General Ladapo and DeSantis had gotten passed and he and half his team sent that in reply to HR.

Next thing you know, they get a letter from HR terminating their employment. He got angry. He called his boss, told him what happened and that according to FL law, the firm was now subject to some heavy fines from the state of FL. His boss said to hang on and he would get back to him. Long story short, HR had sent out the termination letters without vetting it through the CEO or through Legal. When his boss told the CEO what had happened, she blew her stack "dropping the F bomb all over the executive floor." I think the head of HR got fired. His boss called back and told him just to trash the termination letters. My son's team here is the biggest profit center in the whole company and HR tried to terminate them - LOL.

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Annie's avatar

Talk about useless feeders = HR.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Wow! How fantastic of your son to rise up and advocate! šŸ’ŖšŸ» I love love this story!!! Moving forward I hope stories like this spread. Courage is contagious!!!

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Politico Phil's avatar

My son said if he had to he would take a pharmacy job in a little country town rather than take the shot.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Now that shows true principles!! šŸ˜

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RandiG's avatar

RunningLogic,

I wanted to thank you again for your recommendation for Dr. William Davis. I listened to many of his podcasts for cholesterol. I’ve taken a very deep dive the last 3 weeks.

I had a calcium score done and it was 0. The only lifestyle change I’m making is eating more fish. I already cut out sugar and processed foods.

The C&C army is a wonderful resource! šŸ™ā¤ļø

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RunningLogic's avatar

You are very kind but I think you are mistaken, I don’t recall recommending that so I’m sure it must’ve been someone else. But I am very glad you found a great resource and are making good progress! C&C is indeed an amazing group of people with so much knowledge to share!

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Politico Phil's avatar

My youngest is one of those personalities that is not afraid to take on a fight. You always know EXACTLY where you stand with him.

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RunningLogic's avatar

That is awesome, very commendable !

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RunningLogic's avatar

Good for your son!! So glad to hear he pushed back!!

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Samantha Gluck's avatar

Ignorant question: Do all pharmacists hold a doctorate in pharmacy, or is that another level in the field?

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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

No great question! The PharmD is a newer addition within the last 20 years. It signifies that we have a better understanding on the anatomy and the pharmacological effect. Before the PharmD, a regular Bachelor of Pharmacy was needed which focused solely on the medications effect and little on the body's anatomy.

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Samantha Gluck's avatar

Oh! Very interesting. Thank you for taking the time to clarify this for me.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Time flies, Franklin! We had PharmD trainees on our hospital treatment teams when I was in medical school in the late '80s.

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Jackie J's avatar

If you could do it over again, would you go in to pharmacy? Do you recommend the occupational? Just curious my brother wanted to be a pharmacist for awhile but decided against due to the cost of education.

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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

Ehh... that is a tough one. Being a pharmacist gives me the "credentials" to speak on matters. However, as we discussed, there's a lot within the profession that needs to be addressed. I do enjoy what I do now as I am able to make a difference on medications (like PPIs) but I can't say that is everyone's perspective.

So to answer, personally, I would because I've enjoyed my experience overall.

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Fla Mom's avatar

A female pharmacist friend recommended it as a good profession for a woman who wants to have kids as well as a time-flexible, intellectually-challenging, and well-paying job. Medicine is so demanding that it's very difficult to do part-time or in a time-flexible way. I knew many young women physicians who regretted how their occupational decision affected their ability to be moms.

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daiva's avatar

Family reunion in the works? šŸ˜

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SB's avatar

I won't get into the details of how I came to learn this, but if you are eating something that is causing digestive issues, even just gas, it means your body doesn't like it and you shouldn't eat it. Actually, a lot of "healthy" foods can cause holes in your gut (i.e. tomatoes, white potatoes, peppers, flour, etc). Your stomach should always be calm after eating and if not, you need to determine which food your body doesn't like. If you want more info, read up on the auto-immune protocol diet.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I note that 3 of your four trouble foods are solanaceous--- could the alkaloid be the factor? And re the sudden, recent anti-gluten craze--I wonder whether the culprit is not the gluten but the glyphosate used to desiccate the wheat. Gly. was introduced in 1974.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

My daughter was diagnosed with Celiac last year. I hate the gluten free fad and fought gluten free and dairy free for 5 of the 10 year battle, but for her it was an amazing difference. But! Saying that…..I am wondering too if it isn’t the gluten that’s creating havoc with peoples gut as much as it involves the pesticides and chemicals and preservatives (among other things) our food is being contaminated with. I always go back and say what changed? Why don’t we hear that this was an issue way back when? What changed? Why is cancer rampant (besides the shots)?

For the food supply what changed is -all the aforementioned. I think our bodies are telling us they are poisoning us and we need to clean it up!

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SB's avatar

IDK, for me, it was easier to just give up bread than to try to buy the real grain bread which is also extremely pricey and making my own is NOT an option at this time.

but, yes, I've heard of people with gluten intolerance issues like celiac who can eat the Eichorn wheat without issue.

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Connie Lemmincakes's avatar

And also learn how to muscle test.

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Aryenis's avatar

Is that similar to the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, developed before modern medicine for gut health? Pretty restrictive by today's standards, but healthy and seems to help many people with gut issues heal. Some report improvements in auto-immune conditions too.

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SB's avatar

I don't know that diet. API eliminates ALL grains, even rice if you have an autoimmune issue already because your system is so confused that if can react to rice because it is similar to other grains. It also eliminates, nightshades (white potatoes, all peppers, tomatoes and eggplant), dairy, nuts/seeds and all legumes, including soy. If you have an autoimmune condition, you literally can't be vegetarian. Surprisingly, a lot of people, even those with conditions related to gluten intolerance, react worse to tomatoes and peppers than they do to gluten. It is not an easy diet to follow but you do feel better.

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Aryenis's avatar

Sounds like SCD goes in the same direction, but that the API is even more restrictive. Nightshades and legumes are not all off the table in SCD, although some are. Seeds are out, some nuts in limited quantities are alright.

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Joseph Kaplan's avatar

I used to take that stuff. Then I discovered homeopathy. The FDA, etc hates them and tries to shut them down because they aren’t part of the big Parma scam. There are homeopathic products that work much better, are natural, made from plants and herbs. A couple of drops under my tongue and ZAP no more acid reflux! Find a good homeopath and solve most of your problems.

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Artmama's avatar

I just started learning/using homeopathy. What did you use? I want to get my husband off the reflux medication.

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Connie Lemmincakes's avatar

One thing you’ll learn about homeopathy is that each person is different, their symptoms are unique and it’s not a one remedy for each disease type of thing. You have to individualize it looking at their physical and mental symptoms. There’s definitely an art to it.

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What’s your best way to wake-up those who don’t want to open their eyes?

Please share your most effective wake-up strategies.

The more the awakened, the sooner this nightmare will be over!

For example, I start with this video (2 minutes):

https://odysee.com/@ImpossiblyWackedOutWorld:f/WTC-7-Free-Falling:8

(caveat: pot destroys your brain… Tom Petty, rest in peace)

9/11: two "planes", yet the third tower (WTC7) imploded like in a controlled demolition. It was out of reach and all 7 World Trade Center towers destroyed, not the closer towers not belonging to World Trade Center... and the owner, with his 2 grown up siblings, failed to show up for work (never skipped work before)… by the way, he took an insurance policy against terrorism, just months before, when no one was taking them. The inside information about the future 9/11 event helped masons make trillions by shorting the stock exchange: the records were deleted by the SEC so they wouldn't be prosecuted !!!:

4 min. (0.75 speed):

https://rumble.com/v1jpdwl-a-911-conspiracy-theory-explained-in-5-minutes-by-james-corbett-classic.html

Where’s the plane for the 2nd Tower (WTC1)?

https://odysee.com/@N%C3%A9mesis2030:8/11WTC:3

Controlled demolition?

https://odysee.com/@covid2020:d/9-11-World-Trade-Center-..-Demolition-Control%C3%A9e-1:2

Why is 9/11 called a Pearl Harbor event? Both Churchill and Roosevelt were masons and plotted to get the reluctant USA into the war by provoking the Japs and letting Pearl Harbor (left the whole fleet defenseless and concentrated there as an easy candy to be taken from a kid, no radar warning from outer islands, etc.) and MUCH MORE:

Please read and watch all of this! Your life depends on it, because there's a plan to murder 95% of the global population by 2050… written on the masonic Georgia guide-stones: ā€œMaintain humanity under 500,000,000 … ā€

- J6: The fake riot was mason-planned, incited and guided by FBI agents, who broke into the Capitol !!! The same mason-plot was copy-pasted to disband the insurrection against the stolen elections in Brazil! All intel agencies (CIA, FBI, NSA) were founded by masons and are run by them for their own nefarious goals.

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/j6-what-you-need-to-know

It's such a mason manual that they organized the same J6 play in Brazil when it was proven that the voting machines owned by mason Soros, were rigged:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-2020-american-coup

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/dominion-over-us

- At least since the 90s, vaccines were weaponized to reduce the population, for example:

1. Adding hCG to infertilize women: lab detected in 30 countries

2. Overpassing the FDA 10 ng limit to human DNA ā€œcontaminationā€ by 2000%, thus causing neuro-damage (autism, asperger, tics, dyslexia in 29% of kids, etc.) and childhood cancer epidemic (n.b. leukemia, non-Hodgkin’s lymphomas)

Check soundchoice.org or videos at bottom after this page:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/wake-up-videos

- COVID was designed as a primer for even more lethal COVID haccines:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-real-covid-timeline

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/not-vaccine-not-gene-therapy-just

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/what-do-bioweapons-have-to-do-with

- Wake up videos:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/wake-up-videos

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/2050-youll-go-nowhere-and-youll-be

- It's genocide for depopulation:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/depop-vaccines-no-myth

- It’s the masons, who create counterfeited currencies (trillions of dollars and EUROS) and bought the listed corporations, media, healthcare, universities, parties and political careers:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/david-rockefeller-illuminati

Confessions of ex-illuminati Ronald Bernard (all lodges obey the same master, Satan):

http://youtu.be/JAhnCdXqPww

Now, are you really ready for this?:

The full PLAN exposed:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-plan-revealed

16 laws we need to exit Prison Planet

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/laws-to-exit-planet-prison

Pllllleeeeease, on my knees, don’t believe me, just do your own homework by searching the following in mojeek.com (includes crawl date filter), gigablast.com, startpage.com, duckduckgo.com, and maybe yandex.com (not Google, Bing, Yahoo censors). The key terms to test them? Child Satanic Ritual Abuse, Child Satanic Ritual Murder.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/rpn5aj/i_have_found_the_perfect_uncensored_search_engines/

https://www.deepwebsiteslinks.com/uncensored-search-engines-for-anonymous-searching/

PS I'm sorry I'm linking to my own substack. It’s not self-promotion: I couldn’t find better links but if you find anything better, I'd be glad to replace.

If you are a mason or know a mason, ask him to ask his 33° master to put in writing and sign it, who is "the great architect" and that he is not Lucifer. If he refuses, then he’ll know who he is really serving, Satan: tell him to get out of masonry NOW. Sooner or later he’ll be required to trample on a cross to get to a higher degree.

President John Quincy Adams: ā€œMasonry ought forever to be abolished. It is wrong - essentially wrong - a seed of evil, which can never produce any good.ā€

Confessions of a former mason (Serge Abad-Gallardo):

https://www.ncregister.com/interview/confessions-of-a-former-freemason-officer-converted-to-catholicism

Confessions of ex-illuminati Ronald Bernard (all lodges obey the same master, Satan):

http://youtu.be/JAhnCdXqPww

Confession of 33rd degree master mason - Masons worship deities/demons

https://rumble.com/v294ksc-words-from-33rd-degree-master-mason-rare-video-masons-worship-all-sorts-of-.html

Masonry's Satanic Connection

https://odysee.com/@HiddenTruths:c/Masonry's-Satanic-Connection:4

Masonry's Satanic Doctrine | From Their Own Books

https://rumble.com/v2wg24a-masonrys-satanic-doctrine-from-their-own-books.html

Do Freemasons Worship Lucifer? Evidence They Don't Want You To See

https://odysee.com/@John_4-14:a/Do-Freemasons-Worship-Lucifer%EF%BC%9F-Evidence-They-Don't-Want-You-To-See-%EF%BD%9C-Hidden-Agendas---Walter-Veith:0

Satanic Ritual Abuse and Secret Societies [1995] [VHS]

https://odysee.com/@thisworldworks:1/satanic-ritual-abuse-and-secret-societies-1995:3

Satanic Pedophilia Torture and Blood - Dark Satanic Secrets Revealed

https://odysee.com/@Gmail.com:52/822821884_Satanic-Pedophilia-Torture-and-Blood---Dark-Satanic-Secrets-Revealed:4

UNITED NATIONS LUCIFER AND THE LUCIFER TRUST

https://odysee.com/@dynosarus:c/UNITED-NATIONS-LUCIFER-AND-THE-LUCIFER-TRUST:4

The best way to have a real dialogue about vaccines being weaponized to handicap, infertilize and murder the ā€œover-populationā€ is to start with vaccine contamination: nobody could be in favor of contaminated pharmaceuticals.

1. Carcinogen SV40 in Oral Polio Vaccine: they knew it since the 60s but kept distributing it even until 2016 !!!

2. hCG in vaccines to infertilize women detected since the 90s: still going on

3. Thimerosal, aluminum, Mono-sodium Glutamate (MSG) and other NEUROTOXINS

4. Heavy metals

5. Human DNA 2000% in excess of FDA 10 ng limit (main driver towards autism, leukemia and non-Hodgkin cancer)

6. Graphene oxide in Flu and COVID shots but now with anything injectable (even dentist anesthesia, hospital IV, etc.).

7. SV40 genomic sequences and double-stranded DNA in mRNA COVID shots

8. Bluetooth nano-routers injected with COVID vaccines and inserted with swabs (which explains why they rejected the cheaper non-invasive saliva test).

Proof of criminal intent:

Points 7 and 8

Censoring and blocking 30+ COVID cures

Labeling the most lethal batches with a lethal code (howbad.info)

Blocking the real knowledge of effectiveness v. "adverse event" rate

That proves:

A. There's zero Government control

B. There's zero Manufacturer liability

C. There's zero Media coverage

D. All that, during decades and still going on, not only with vaccines but also with medicines, food&beverage additives, etc. Everything, even institutions have been weaponized!

E. There's zero political action to stop that (except RFK2 in the USA)

A school buddy told me "I know you make sense but if I recognize it's true, I won't be able to enjoy life anymore".

16 laws we need to exit Prison Planet

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/laws-to-exit-planet-prison

If we don’t succeed, they’ll succeed with their 6-sword lethal plan fully exposed here:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-plan-revealed

Change goes in hand with the number of awakened! Thank you for sharing this to save lives!

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CStone's avatar

I had a close relative who joined the masons. He made millions. They were going to promote him to 33°, and that’s when he found out the truth.

He called my Dad, who was a Pastor, and and told him that he was leaving the masons.....he wouldn’t tell Dad why. He did say ā€œIf I tell you they will kill my family and me.ā€ He wanted to know if my Dad thought it would be okay to keep their life insurance, as it was very good. Dad told him he guessed it would be ok. But the next time they talked, he decided he didn’t even want that.

He never told any of us what he knew, other than his life was in danger for leaving.

The lower levels are just people to be manipulated, they haven’t a clue . It’s that 33° that brings it out. There is also another cult posing as a ā€˜church’ that is basically the same as the masons, but I won’t name them

here. I have read books by former members, as well as those who have left the masons. They all say the ā€˜rituals’ and secret costumes are almost exactly like the KKK and satanists.

I believe all of the very ā€˜elite’ are either demons inhabiting human bodies or demon-possessed. I pray that those who are unaware will wake up and get out.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

We have a friend who was rising to stardom in the computer tech industry. Making a crap ton of money and living the good life. One of the owners of the company approached him about joining the Freemasons. He sat at our table telling us he wanted nothing to do with that but they were pursuing him hard. He ended up leaving the company and is still a tech genius. But he was wide awake as a young teenager and was the first to tell me years ago 9/11 was a scam. I always thought he was a ā€œconspiracy theoristā€. He gets the last laugh now! šŸ˜‚ He moved on and is doing quite well for himself without being part of that evil organization.

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Prof. Fred Nazar's avatar

Thanks for sharing! I need a tech savvy guy to help me sort out the code the injected are emitting through Bluetooth. Could you connect us? This is old but gives a glance (I've got detailed intel now):

https://rumble.com/v24xmw6-c19-vaccine-bioweapon-genocide.html

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Wow! I wish I could connect you but when I said he moved on….I haven’t spoken with him since then and it was years ago. I only know he’s doing so well because his sister filled me in. If I can reach her at some point soon I could forward this request. That’s probably the best in and do.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Oh wow 😳 I have vaguely heard these kinds of things but hearing a personal experience is eye opening on another level!

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Prof. Fred Nazar's avatar

Is there another mason-funded religion other than the Mormons? That was one of the clues to identify RINO Mitt Romney as a mason!

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Prof. Fred Nazar's avatar

Could please you recommend some books? Thank you for your post!

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Prof. Fred Nazar's avatar

We need a law forcing them to expose their membership to secret societies, then people will open their eyes!:

16 laws we need to exit Prison Planet

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/laws-to-exit-planet-prison

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Fla Mom's avatar

I'm a retired physician, and I think so many of us see now with opened eyes what we couldn't see before.

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Irunthis1's avatar

R.Ph. here I have long been a detractor of anything authorized by the FDA post 1990 or so because even back when I graduated in ā€˜97 (the last year you could get an R.Ph. = BS-Pharm degree in KS!) I could see that our best years were behind us pharmacologically and that we needed to become more holistic in our approach to health and wellness. I wish we still were true apothecaries and spent at least 75% of our time picking out the nutritional things our patients *really* need. Maybe when all the šŸ’© hits the fan we will go back to those days but til then I do my best to shove as much vitamin D and Sal de Uvas Picot (bicarbonate and citric acid antacid) at my patients as I can convince them to buy!

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ChicNotGeek's avatar

My dog "accidentally/on purpose" got into the Thin Mints. My dog is small/toy breed, old, blind, and getting frailer by the day, so understandably, I was concerned about the chocolate consumption. (In her younger years, this dog has eaten Hershey bars and peanut butter cups with no problems, so I've been down this road before.). Anyway, I told my 13yo daughter what happened, and she said, matter of factly, "I wouldn't worry. Thin Mints don't meet the FDA standard to be labeled a chocolate cookie, only "chocolaty", (as in, chocolate-like), and you know it's bad when you don't meet the FDA's standards, because they are pretty low already."

There is hope for our future friends when my 13yo sees through the FDA.

And, just so you know, my dog was, indeed, fine after the consumption of "chocolaty" Thin Mints. And all of the Thin Mints went into the trash after that.

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GG's avatar

It's bad enough I had to stop eating Thin Mints because of the turn Girl Scouts took, but to find out they're not even chocolate is Earth-shattering!

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ChicNotGeek's avatar

right? I thought the same thing. It makes sense now why Thin Mints started giving me upset stomach in recent years. Though perhaps I shouldn't eat a sleeve at a time either.

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GG's avatar

I have the same issue! Especially if you store them in the freezer. I can go through an entire sleeve but in my mind, it's only "a couple!" Then I see the empty plastic and know if was a few more! šŸ˜‹

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laura-ann Knox's avatar

I had to give up Oreos because of the stomach upset AND they elevated my heart rate.

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LizardFro's avatar

The sleeves are getting much shorter too šŸ˜‰

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UnvaxxedCanadian's avatar

You do know they remove the coca butter from chocolate and replace it with palm oil? They make more $ that way.

And then there is the chocolate confectionery which is palm oil and god-knows what, but not actual chocolate. Just a chocolate like product. Like blueberries in blueberry muffins that are just colored&flavored gelatin balls. yum.

It's getting harder to eat actual food these days but it can be done, it just costs more.

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AngelaK's avatar

Just make your own muffins. Super easy, maybe not as much fun, butcatleast they will be real with plump real blueberries.

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UnvaxxedCanadian's avatar

I should try baking… I just brought back 5lbs of raw jersey milk butter from a farm in Scotland Pennsylvania. It’s so GOOD šŸ˜‹

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AngelaK's avatar

Muffin baking is super easy. Enjoy that butter on them!

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John Bugni's avatar

Jersey cowa produce milk with A-2 casein protein, which is non-alergenic. Most other cows produce A-1 casein protein which is allergenic and contributes to leaky gut.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I drink only raw milk from grass-pastured (changed every day) Jerseys from a Chambersburg PA farm--delivered weekly to my local Lowes' parking lot. I was aware that you Ca'ians cannot get raw milk, as Ca daughter was here when I discovered this milk option. She was thrilled to have it available, and so we fed her boys milk and milk and milk while they were with us.

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NewScott's avatar

Exactly. Only real blueberries in my muffins. Which reminds me...

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UK daughter asked what we would like her to bring over: we said chocolate. Enjoying it--and looked at package enjoyed last night (Fin Carre, dark chocolate 50%)--cocoa mass, cocoa butter (sunflower gets in there only as sunflower lecithins for emulsifier).

Why on earth aren't you making your own blueberry muffins? 5# bags of Wyman frozen Maine wild blueberries are in the freezer at the grocery store.

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UnvaxxedCanadian's avatar

I was making a point about how fake our food is . Besides I can’t bake 🤣.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I was aware of your point. But, baking, like drawing (as my art teacher pointed out), at its base, is just a skill---and anyone can learn to do it.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Agree. It’s really just reading and following directions.

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NAB's avatar

People, I can take only so much disappointment in one day :)

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eyes open's avatar

You guys triggered me-I am craving a box of Samoas right now!

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ICI Grief (The Rebel's Hike)'s avatar

Aldi has a good knock off brand.

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OnTheJump's avatar

And as an added bonus - her breath was Minty Fresh !

(might slip a few to my pup, who could use some help.)

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Peace's avatar

I missed the Girl Scouts "turning" - what is up with them?

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GG's avatar

Well, they're in bed with Planned Parenthood, and that's just the start. You should look into what they've become. They were more advanced on their collision course than the Boy Scouts were, but the Boy Scouts overtook them. I have two Eagle Scouts, so it hurts me to say it, but they ruined those childhood institutions.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Yes, both ruined. However, my friend from SE Fla, Chandler Langevin, a former green-side Navy corpsman, has started a new group called the Florida Scouts. His is Troop 001, and they've just organized Troop 002 not far away. It's a throwback to original scouting. He's on Facebook and can be contacted via Messenger or by commenting on his FB posts about his Troop.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Another element of the parallel economy. Good for him! Where evil tries to rule, good and truth will pop up--like prairie dogs.

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NAB's avatar

Yep. Wouldn't allow my youngest son to join Boy Scouts (now Scouts thanks to the girls who just HAD to join so they could do the Pinewood Derby). And the irony is, membership has fallen off a cliff at least locally or the troops are now majority girls. Sigh. No male comradery allowed!

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Peter Schott's avatar

Trail Life USA for boys

American Heritage Girls for girls

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CarO Lyn's avatar

My daughter has two Eagle Scout sons and is working on her third. She has been active as a troop officer in a large and very active troop for years and had always planned to continue her involvement even after her last son was out of scouts. The last few years of BSA behavior have completely changed her mind and she now says she’s done with it once son #3 gets his Eagle, within the next year. Her sons (and her) have benefited greatly from the program over the years so it’s sad to see BSA changing, and not for the better.

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Jean V's avatar

Woke, woke, woke. Not the Girl Scouts I was in.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I wanted my girls to have the GS experience, 36 years ago. After one year, I pulled my eldest, never let the youngers enter the program. At that time the GS focus was all on 'careers'--not on being happy little girls learning useful skills. I shudder to think what topics earn merit badges now.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

They went woke.

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Here We Are's avatar

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Pixie Prissy's avatar

Oh my goodness. I love your daughter. You must be so proud. She does give me hope for the future. #GoodParenting šŸ‘

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daiva's avatar

Very Friday-y story! So clearly not everything is to be labelled Whisky Tango Foxtrot in our long-suffering world 😊 At least not as of yet šŸ¤”

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AJF's avatar

Yes, I make raw dark chocolate with cacao powder and pure cacao butter with honey or agave. It's actually a healthy food!

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JW's avatar

Maybe you can post the recipe you use. Sounds great.

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AJF's avatar

So very easy. I use a silicone candy mold since it's easy to pop the chocolate out. I'm able to buy the powder and butter at my co-op, but I'm sure you can buy online. Basically a 1:1 ratio of powder & butter. So let's say melt 1 cup cacao butter in double boiler ( just till it melts) remove from heat and slowly stir in 1 cup cacao powder. At this point add sweetener to taste. I don't have an amount, just depends how sweet/bitter you'd like your chocolate to be. You can also add crushed nuts, coconut flakes...whatever you'd like! Pour into molds and refrigerate. Also you can pour the plain chocolate in the molds and add a whole nut or whatever to each individual chocolate before refrigeration. šŸ¤—

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RunningLogic's avatar

C&C is the best, all kinds of amazing information here!! šŸ˜šŸ˜

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June M's avatar

I’ve done similar also and need to get back to it

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Jon Swenson's avatar

There is an interesting movie, Equilibrium, where the heroes are the children who see through the government bs.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Wow! My 9 year old English granddaughter, visiting two weeks ago (and recognized by me as an unusually perceptive child--I having mothered 3 clever girls), told me that she fears she is too connected to her 'devices'. We had a conversation following. Her father seems to push every single new electronic option on the family.

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RunningLogic's avatar

It’s amazing how naturally perceptive some children are!

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Absolutely. Public school can educate that right out of them.

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CH's avatar

I love it! My adult sons surprise the crap out of me every time we talk, especially after they listen to Joe Rogan. On another note, I had a malamute who ate a whole batch of brownies from a plate left on the coffee table and she was fine. I think her belly hurt a little but none the less, she was fine.

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Valerie's avatar

I had a dog eat a whole pile of brownies off the table too! Scavengers.

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CarO Lyn's avatar

Years ago our 100# Weimaraner ate a 1/2 sheet pan full of raw cinnamon rolls that were resting/rising before they were to be baked. He survived but OMG his belly was humongous with all that yeasty dough for a couple of days.

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CH's avatar

šŸ˜‚ šŸ˜‚ šŸ˜‚ šŸ˜‚

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Dogs are omnivores, or so they tell me.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Well there we go--your sons listen to Joe R. Q.E.D.

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Dee's avatar

So glad your dog is fine, but so sad to learn that about Thin Mints.

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Celayne Jones's avatar

Your daughter is wise and made me laugh. I found some Thin Mints at my food coop that are not GS brand cookies and taste better. I’ll have to check the ingredients next time I shop.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I ADORE this story, Chic - and KUDOS for parenting a daughter who has her critical thinking skills honed to a fine point! HOORAY for you and HOORAY for the future leaders of our now totally wacko world!!

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RunningLogic's avatar

I second your comment!!

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Roger Beal's avatar

Your daughter can look forward to a lifetime listed on a government blacklist. Good on her!

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J Boss's avatar

You have a daughter that is wiser than her years, no doubt blossoming from her parental environment. Impressive.

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Ellen's avatar

My dog used to eat a lot of chocolate and live to 13.

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Karen Bandy's avatar

The 85% organic chocolate I was consuming every day (yes, probably not a good idea) containes lead and cadmium. What? So switched to 72% Ghiradelli which has cocoa butter and cane sugar, but it has soy lecithin. A habit I need to break. I guess as long as it’s not a thin mint I’m doing somewhat ok šŸ¤£šŸ™„šŸ˜šŸ¤”

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

The cadmium is not added to the candy--it is inherent in that degree of pure cacao bean which makes over 80% dark chocolate formulation. I eat it every day - 1 piece - and I'm still here at age 76!!

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Diane C.'s avatar

I wish I could run my household books like the Pentagon. Maybe I’d find some of that missing money I’ve lost at the grocery stores due to inflation.

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T Kosse's avatar

It's behind the dryer with all the missing socks. :)

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Dr Linda's avatar

Abd where ever bobby pins (anyone old enough rob remember bobby pins?) and scrunchies go.

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Katrina the Hurricane's avatar

I still use Bobby pins šŸ™„

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GoodGrief-239's avatar

My lost Bobby pin was wedged in the impeller of my washing machine causing the barrel not to drain. Luckily I’m pretty handy and took it apart to find the culprit.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

So weird--I, too, have been finding bobby pins recently--both here at home (from daughter who left 12 mos ago) and in cabin where visitors stay.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

But periodically I look behind the dryer with a grabber to look for the socks-and occasionally have to pull it out into the room to clean the duct. No socks, no hundred dollar bills either.

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UnvaxxedCanadian's avatar

Not so long ago Canadians would buy groceries in the USA and save money. Today it's the opposite, for real. When we travel to matches in the USA we take our own food (organic) down with us. I only bring raw milk back. Prices have the same dollar figure, like $7.99 for instance, but the CDN $ is 35% lower!

Inflation in the US is brutal.

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Renee Sommers's avatar

I’m in the unfortunate state of California and I hear all the time, ā€œIt’s the same everywhere.ā€ Even though they’ve never been anywhere. I try and be the voice of reason and tell them it isn’t the same....because I travel. I recently had a friend who was considering a move to Georgia thinking of changing her mind because her leftist, coastal parent told her it was, ā€œThe South was most racist and prejudiced place she could move to.ā€ Even though this person has never stepped foot out of California. šŸ™„šŸ™„

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NAB's avatar

That the South is some racist hot bed is hysterical and shows a person has never actually lived there. My son just moved back from North Carolina and he says his friend and acquaintance group was FAR more racially diverse in NC v. NY.

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Renee Sommers's avatar

Exactly! A few years ago we were in a hotel bar in Greenville, NC talking to some black people (my friend and I were the only white people at the bar). We got into a discussion about media and how ā€œtheyā€ portray the South. This lady told me that 50-60 years ago...which is like 1960...it was like the media portrays. But...since then every family they know has someone married to another race, Caucasian, Mexican, Asian in their extended family. So...they’ve just all figured out how to get along. It’s seems to run along political lines...every liberal I know thinks the South, and the flyover states are ignorant, racist hotbeds without any educated people. šŸ™„ Crazy.

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devoalan's avatar

Liberals don't really think. They feel and assume.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

We love our Joe Biden. But he won fair and square. Trump lost, you know it. [sarcasm dripping]

I noticed same visiting in Toronto in April--actually paid for dry-aged beef (special treat which I had wanted to be able to do for years) at Sobeys. Here (Phila area) sent son-in-law out to our local Giant for two nice steaks last week for their last dinner with us (4 adults, 3 children), and the price per pound (Angus) was $16. Total was about $50--which is about what I paid for the dry-aged beef in Ca to feed 4 adults and two little boys.

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

My thoughts exactly!!!

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Dr Linda's avatar

Right? We would be in jail.

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TriTorch's avatar

Here are the previews for two of Disney's overt satanic cartoons:

Disney Promotes satanic Human Sacrifice Cult Show On Disney Plus Freeform Channel - Unveiling Continues https://bitchute.com/video/nJ3mTaSsVDKj

Meet Disney's New satanic Cartoon Starring Danny DeVito & His Daughter: https://bitchute.com/video/PxBEFrSKoE12

The veil is lifting. The adversary has the world in a stranglehold. Every deadly sin is being promoted and glorified as virtuous, and the devil is working overtime with this TV programming to drag as many misguided young souls down to hell as possible for an unlimited hangout. We need to be in the way.

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CH's avatar

I've posted this before in the comments: Satan has been very busy lately.

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WP William's avatar

It's reflective of the mid-sixties-and into early 80s with it being marketed as being in vogue and explicit Satanism was popularized as the ultimate anti-establishment expression and looked at be some at benign, nature-loving, freeing and funny in how knee-jerked the Religious Right was by it. The humorous culmination of Dana Carvey's "Church Lady" on SNL. The Salem witch trials are always used as the signal case of Hateful Religious persons oppressing misfits in society and opening the mind to how harmless witchcraft is in contrast to how depraved institutional Christian Religion is. The comedy factor is far behind us now. Expunge and annihilate EVIL

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CH's avatar

Most people during that time were not accepting of evil the way they are now. They have slowly made everything evil acceptable so that now people are completely desensitized to just about all of it. They don't hide their crazy, evil crap any more.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Remember that "Rosemary's Baby" and "The Stepford Wives" emerged from that period (my own late teens and early maturity)

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

As a regularly churched kid going into public high school, I was creeped out seeing an upside down cross on a Blue Oyster Cult tape in a new friend’s car. It didn’t take long to evolve from alarmed to, ā€œYeah, but the music is cool!ā€ We best watch our offspring carefully and prayerfully and keep them saturated in the Word. ā€œBe alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devourā€ (I Peter 5:8). And thank God for parents who took and take Him at His word: ā€œTrain up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old, he will not depart from itā€ (Proverbs 22:6).

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TriTorch's avatar

This may interest you. A former member of the CIA said that they used music to destroy morality: https://bitchute.com/video/68MqwxaZNi8Y [13mins]

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Counterculture at its most flagrantly offensive smack in the face of civility and respect for women and the law. The vulgarity grieves my soul, and a generation of Americans now considers it ā€œnormal.ā€ If we’re not civil, we’re uncivilized.

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Annie's avatar

Disney who? Just say no to Disney.

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SB's avatar

Wow, so Disney is into child porn and Satanism. Walt Disney is rolling in his grave.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I noticed that when Michael Eisenberg (and here I will not make any defamatory suggestions) took over, the clean aspect of Disney went downhill. Disney of my childhood (50's-60's) had no need for parental guidance ratings--if I do not 'falsely' remember.

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daiva's avatar

šŸ—Ø Pharma profits are just a side hustle with something more insidious going on.

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Andrea Leshok's avatar

Walt Disney was a freemason so this end of satanic worship was inevitable and likely what he was working towards in his lifetime.

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

U got that right on Tritorch šŸ‘šŸ¼šŸŽÆ

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J Boss's avatar

Disney has finally destroyed the brand mystique that drove millions of fans to take tens of millions of kids to their movies, theme parks and stores. It is now a revolting reaction to the brand images instead of one of nostalgia and excitement. Even if the edge rounds a bit in the reaction, they will never be able to charge what they used to for the same things.

For those in Houston that lived with and have beloved Astroworld them park memories before it's final decline, you will recognize that Disney has entered the same end phase

Astroworld experienced. I predict the theme park prices will be drastically reduced, lots of season passes for cheap, and the influx in summers of gangs and corporate proxy babysitters. The end will be the same as Astroworld... sell of all the assets, probably sell the name to someone else to try to restore. Buh bye!

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Jo Highet's avatar

Jeff: Would love your thoughts on the recent lawsuit against the FDA by 3 prominent doctors who are suing them for loss of job, reputation, interfering with patient/doctor relationship - all related to trying to prescribe Ivermectin as an early treatment option for Covid....normally you would be all over something like this. My esteemed colleague John Droz featured it yesterday on his Critical Thinking Substack - please have a quick look and give us your thoughts on the damning admissions by the FDA in their response to this - as well as the potential for upending precedent setting cases like Chevron! https://criticallythinking.substack.com/p/the-fda-can-say-and-do-anything-it?publication_id=1037422&post_id=135875146&isFreemail=true&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

Epoch Times gave a great run down yesterday... the FDA is now allowing Ivermectin to be used to treat covid, per info from this trial. They also flat out denied they ever tried to keep doctors from prescribing it!

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AJF's avatar

Unreal. People have no idea the outrageous lies they're inundated with daily. I hang onto the truth can't be hidden forever. Thy will be done.

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RunningLogic's avatar

The gaslighting is real—and monumental 😔

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Fla Mom's avatar

Jo, thank you so much for sharing this! I'm listening now, and it's great info. I love the judges' skeptical questioning and having to pin the gov't attorney down on actually answering yes-no questions they put to her.

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TriTorch's avatar

Mr. Droz is a truth warrior who works as hard as anyone. I have nothing but respect for that gentlemen.

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Jo Highet's avatar

Agree 100%

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J Boss's avatar

Really need to attack the CDC as strongly or more so. Everyone that tried to excuse the mandates replied with, "we're following CDC guidelines." That includes most or all of the large corporations and all gov't agencies. I have to sit through monthly safety meetings where the safety rep goes over CDC guidelines for all sorts of things I know are bull. For COVID alone, each NASA center created a response procedure. At JSC, probably because we have lots of astronaut crew interactions, the dadgum thing was 13 pages long and filled with contradictions. I finally quit attending any of the meetings or reading any of the emails or documentation.

As a society, we have become so sissified that 90% of us could never survive without someone telling us what to do and think. I doubt most of those could even figure out who to attack to get food if SHTF...

We are living the movie, Idiocracy with a Utopia TV series catalyst.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Thank you for bringing this up! I would also like Jeff’s take on it!

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Based Florida Man's avatar

I admit I have not had my first mpox shot.

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Jennifer's avatar

Ummm.... "One is better than zero!" ....? Not great but probably better than the CDC. ;-)

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

That’s still a thing?

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Based Florida Man's avatar

It was the 2nd news item today. Did you see it? CDC says to get your second shot.

"Speaking of gay lifestyle diseases and massively-funded health agencies, this week the CDC reminded everyone to get their second monkeypox shot. I bet you didn’t even know the first ones had already waned."

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Annie's avatar

According to the cdc, it is if you want to meet the right kind of people. šŸ˜‰šŸ˜…

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Celayne Jones's avatar

I am not really interested in meeting people who take the monkey pox shot, even just one. Or any shots, actually. Thank you, government malfeasance, for opening my eyes.

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Annie's avatar

Agree.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Well. poster-boy Jordan (he WOULD be a Jordan--at least not Jordon--what is it with "Jordan" and that persuasion?) tells us (snicker, snicker) that he's "into" people with the mpox vax. Glad to know it, J. Remind us to ask about your health two years hence.

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Annie's avatar

And that person is considered attractive? I am not gay but they are not attractive.

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MKnight's avatar

I watched a news clip yesterday of a young a Mormon soon-to-be missionary reading his mission call around his friends and family, when he literally keeled over in front of all of them and died. Everyone is baffled, of course, and he had no history of prior medical issues.

Every once in awhile, still, I get so so angry at people’s unwillingness to call it what it is. Where’s the outrage???

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AJF's avatar

I assume similar to the non outrage of SIDS deaths happening for decades. EVERYTHING is blamed except vaccination....pillows, bumpers, blankets, mattresses.

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Dr Linda's avatar

Belly vs back, murder by parents or other caretakers.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I was friends with someone whose infant boy died of this and if that alone wasn’t horrible enough, she and her husband had to submit to an investigation to prove they weren’t somehow at fault šŸ˜ž

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D&R’s Gma's avatar

I read that too. It’s heartbreaking and yet no one in his family or his church seems to be looking beyond the ā€œgot super excited ā€œ and bam lights out. šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø as a momma bear I’d be screaming for answers. But since I’m a momma bear my cubs are not shot up! But I’m with you…where the hell os the outrage?

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laura-ann Knox's avatar

VERY early in the scamdemic I was tracking states' implementation of CV measures, thinking about leaving CA because of the overreach. I recall thinking, "SURELY, the Mormon population in Utah will resist governmental interference in their lives; Utah will remain free", and then seeing like two days later that Utah had implemented "mandates". Huh.

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MKnight's avatar

Worth noting that the kid was actually from Florida, but happened to be in Utah when he passed. So as far as vaccine uptake is concerned, I have no idea what his status was, but a state mandate likely did not play into it.

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Fred's avatar

These SADS are so stereotypical, including the unusually rare success in resuscitating a witnessed arrest, that I no longer have to ask. :(

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RunningLogic's avatar

The Mormon leaders were pushing the shots, I know a family who all got them, even the kids, presumably because of those recommendations šŸ˜•

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MKnight's avatar

I know. It was hard to watch. I know people who literally had ā€œquestionsā€ and abandoned them immediately when it seemed like direction from the church to just do it. I have been disappointed in so many people in my sphere, and none more so than my fellow LDS members who lost their powers of reason a couple of years ago. My mother, on the flip side, is as devout a member as you would ever meet. She felt like she should not do it, regardless of ā€œadviceā€ given, and stuck by that vehemently. So I suppose I come by my own convictions honestly. :)

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RunningLogic's avatar

I’m glad you and your mother had the good judgment to ignore those recommendations!

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Francis Keays's avatar

I am in SW Idaho where there is a large Mormon population. At first many Mormons resisted the shots, but then the church leadership started pushing them. When the bishop says jump, Mormons jump without even waiting to ask how high.

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Fred's avatar

Yep, shocked when our "never, over my dead body" LDS friends took the shots; sadly both had AE's; turns out the "church" was encouraging everyone to take it. IDK their stance now. Anyone?

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MKnight's avatar

Full disclosure, I am LDS, so I’m biased on this topic. šŸ˜‚ I’ve done all kinds of mental gymnastics to excuse the vaccine behavior, and it’s exhausting. They’ve been silent on the topic for quite awhile, and there is significant pushback from members against ā€œmandatesā€ where they existed. We are generally a law-abiding, compliant, dutiful, hardworking people, and the ā€œfight the encroaching governmentā€ was carefully weeded out of teaching 20-30 years ago. I’m still waiting for an acknowledgement that they were wrong about it all, but don’t see that happening because that’s not what we do.

I can only say that this whole thing has been really enlightening to see where the globalist/WHO people are embedded in the church admin, because they have stood out like a neon flashing sign. At the end of the day, perhaps that was God’s hand to reveal some things. What we do with it now remains to be seen. šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø

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Fred's avatar

Thanks for sharing your insight!

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes, I appreciate it too!

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

The long march through the institutions definitely did not forget the church is an institution.

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🌱NardšŸ™'s avatar

It’s coming. I had a very candid conversation with one of my faculty members yesterday who had serious health issues (severe rheumatoid arthritis, liver and bladder issues). I won’t go into the entire conversation, but when I asked her if she was vaxxed, she almost cried. Her arthritis flared after her second shot (the effects of the shot left her bed ridden for seven weeks!), and she never had liver or bladder issues before getting the shot. She is now seeing a naturopath and undergoing a vax detox (I did share the FLCC protocol w her...just in case). She has refused the booster and is sharing her story with our Spanish speaking families...in one of the most liberal cities in Colorado. It’s coming. People are figuring it out and daring to talk about.

On another note, a very liberal formerly pro-trans faulty member shared that she refuses to use alternate pronouns for her kids, that this whole thing has gotten out of control, and she almost broke down as she told me that one of our 8th graders is medically transitioning from a boy to a girl. It was a weepy but positive conversation. It’s coming. Drip-drip.

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Laura Kasner's avatar

Call me crazy, but how do two tropical islands - where it rains every day - have ā€œwildfiresā€?

And why are there trees still standing in the videos????

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Anyone who’s been to Maui knows how windy it is there all the time. They want us to believe a hurricane over 700 miles away blew hard enough to start the fires? Nope šŸ‘ŽšŸ». Let’s think back to the Oregon fires of 2020 that they blamed on climate change only to find out it was all or mostly arson. Let’s ponder the Canadian fires of recent…. Um ya…. Now Maui is on fire. How long until the truth of that slips out and we find out it’s all arson or some other intentional act. šŸ¤¦šŸ¼ā€ā™€ļø The key word being INTENTIONAL!

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Lots of richies have compounds there. Rumor is they're using the fire to cover up shenanigans at Oprah's sprawling pedo? ranch (with massive tunnel complex underneath).

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Sunnydaze's avatar

My mom sent me a video clip of Jesse Waters the other night talking about the fires. We don’t watch any msm but they only watch him on Fox. I wanted to vomit as he talked about how this was horrible for the locals and the jobs and poor Oprah Winfrey who has a house there.

šŸ˜’ Boo Hoo Hoo. Poor Oprah! What will she ever do. How will she ever rebuild! I threw up in my mouth that he had the audacity to even mention her name when discussing the real locals who live and need to survive there. Shame on him!

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AngelaK's avatar

This idol worship of gazillionaire 'celebrities' is so ridiculous and spiritually dangerous. It makes money and fame something to worship.

Well I resent the word 'celebrity' because I for one, do NOT celebrate them.

The old wisdom of 'beware of those things that take you away from God' comes to mind.

People used to celebrate holy men and women known as saints in Catholic, Anglican and Orthodox Christian traditions.

What a turn around!! šŸ™„šŸ˜”Satan's values today. God's values were yesterday.

"What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul".

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

"celeber, celebra, celebrum" the adjective, thick--spoke of the density of followers, hangers-on, "clients" when you walked down to the Forum. The more 'clients' a statesman had, the (obviously) more important he was. It's all about the numbers. Then and now. Not about inner worth.

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

She doesn’t live in Lahaina

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Sunnydaze's avatar

He didn’t specify where her house was. I wouldn’t be surprised if she paid them money to mention her irrelevant self. Draw attention to her poor plight.

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Michele's avatar

I mean they took the Pfizer money, why not Oprah's?

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

Truth there SunnydazešŸ‘šŸ¼šŸŒž

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CMCM's avatar

Someone I was watching the other day (I think perhaps it was Jesse Watters), did have a short segment on the possible causes of the fires in Hawaii, and he mentioned that there have been numerous cases of arson on the island in recent years. I believe I have heard that about 85% of the fires in California are due to humans, whether it be carelessness or arson.

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MKnight's avatar

I’d buy that, actually. My gut instinct after seeing the damage was, there’s a special place in hell for these people who are burning the world right now. And that’s not Mother Nature.

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Pixie Prissy's avatar

Fascinating take.🧐

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🌱NardšŸ™'s avatar

Wait...what? Oprah’s pedo ranch with tunnels? What memo(s) did I miss??? Based Florida Man, ā€œyou’ve got some ā€˜splainin’ to doā€ for this former Florida girl! My. Mind. Is. Blown. 🤯

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AM's avatar

WOW!

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Andrea Leshok's avatar

Abysmal but not surprising anymore 😭

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

Boy, those 2020 fires here in Oregon were crazy. Odd how so many were up and down the I5 corridor. No way they were natural. Was a scary time.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

It was awful. We had just moved away but my family lives there. My parents had to evacuate twice as it was closing in on there place not far from I-5. I was coordinating with my sister to make sure they were safe. It was so obvious the fires were being set all over the place. They even caught some of them and to my knowledge none of them were charged or went to prison for the millions in damages. My aunt lives in a neighborhood on the other side of Salem and everyone in their neighborhood lost everything! My aunts house was the only one still standing. So incredibly sad.

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

That was horrific. We had friends up McKenzie River who were awakened at midnight to get out. They escaped through the flames with their two children. We lived in Eugene and the smoke was so intense. Our blue governor let one of those east of Salem burn until it was too late to catch ..if my memory serves me correctly.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Same with my aunt and grandma that she cares for with dementia. Got woke up at midnight and told to get out. Through the smoke and fire they went. To a motel with nothing but their clothes on their backs. For weeks before she chose to go see if she still had a house.

The gov brownstain we called her, let people’s lives be ruined. She is a stain on humanity.

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

Our friends when they went back. The front gate fence was still standing and their travel trailer had survived...oddly enough..but was so smoked damaged could not be used.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

It was so crazy that my aunts house had only a small amount of smoke damage. They moved right back in. It proved to her God is real. She is caring for my grandma. She hasn’t got money. They barely make it. If they had lost their home we don’t know what they would’ve done. It would have been life destroying. However, she also struggled with what happened to all her neighbors. I saw the video. Nothing else was left standing. šŸ˜ž

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

She was horrible. And so many deluded people could not praise her enough. What is this madness?

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Dr Linda's avatar

My sister lives in Leaburg. They were spared by a few feet

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Wow. Miraculous!

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Dr Linda's avatar

I know. It was hard to watch. The amazing things people pulled together regardless of their differences

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Tonya's avatar

And before that, it was Australia, remember?

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Jaye's avatar

Many Canadian fires were arson, too

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Dr Linda's avatar

I believe arsonists had a hand in the Greek fires as well

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WP William's avatar

Our Colorado wildfires were mostly "HUMAN CAUSED" but of course no one was charged just blamed on un-named redneck camping, tracer-round shooting hunters and CLIMATE CHANGE (as usual). We were fortunate to not have dozens or hundreds of dead as a result

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Queen Hotchibobo's avatar

My first thought was tptb were after Edward Dowd. He lives in Maui, I believe, and he’s definitely a thorn in their sides right now.

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Fla Mom's avatar

He posted that he's fine, personally.

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Michele's avatar

Yes and remember it was one of the Canadian wildfires that struck the town of Dr. Hoffe, who was one of the early doctors to begin recommending d-dimer tests, noting side effects, and speaking up.

https://www.westernstandard.news/news/fires-chase-controversial-bc-dr-hoffe-from-two-communities/article_7551f0b8-bf5b-59b2-a863-fbeb5ca37108.html

When we see disasters now we ask: is this an experiment?

And: Which anti-narrative soul was living there?

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I was thinking about ED in Maui. Interesting suggestion. Because, "we don't give a xx'x xxxx about collateral (read: human) damage since all those other dead cover our tracks for us". Except that they don't provide the desired coverage, since we all are turning skeptical (if not cynical) about every untoward occurrence.

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AngelaK's avatar

Could some fires be from something going on under the earth?

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I don’t know enough about that to comment, however look at the under ocean volcanoes. ????

I went to the beach in Florida the other day and the water was almost too warm to be in it. I later found out where I was it was 94 degrees!!! And Tampa bay is at 97 degrees and down in Miami it’s 100 degrees in the water!! So anything is possible. I think it was Jeff’s excellent reporting about the volcano eruption that clued me in to why the water is so hot! Hottest ever on record I’m told.

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AngelaK's avatar

I am in Boca Raton. This is my 10th summer here and maybe the hottest.I find the beach uncomfortable in the summer so I havent been, but for the Atlantic to be that warm...wow! Be careful. Warm water can bring amoeba.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

We are thinking of heading to Boca for vacation sometime. Love it over there too!

Thanks for the heads up on the warm water amoeba!

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Fla Mom's avatar

When we visited Volcanoes National Park on The Big Island, the rangers had an edge of an active lava flow where people could walk on the hardened lava. It was still glowing red in the gaps. The soles of my running shoes got tacky from the heat of standing on the hot lava, and the air around us was very hot. Given dry, windy conditions, a lava flow could set a wildfire, would be my guess. But it still seems possibly more likely that they were set. It would be easy to see if the earliest part of the fire(s) was at a point of active lava flow or not.

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laura-ann Knox's avatar

There's no active lava flow on Maui. These were arson, 200%

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WIMomof3's avatar

Especially since there’s been no speculation on cause. ā€œTheyā€ should have blamed it on someone or something by now, which makes me think it was ā€œthemā€ 🧐

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Fla Mom's avatar

Thanks; I don't follow it, so I didn't know. I suspected arson.

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Annie's avatar

Yes. Like a hurricane never hit Hawaii before. The lack of response from their government on all levels is criminal. What good were they? Poor people.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

It is so sickening the way they try to manipulate us. I even started to fall for it! For a hot minute and then I realized what they were saying didn’t make sense. My husband was the one who was like….uh, a Hurricane from that far away? šŸ‘ŽšŸ» I snapped out of it that quick! When you know…you know!

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JW's avatar

Finally got hold of a friend there and it is horrible. Lots of dead and estimated now up to 300. 3 people we know lost their homes and the entire town of Lahaina is leveled and gone. No power, water or cell phones. The islands have been in a heavy drought and with hurricane Dora pushing winds up to 80mph a single spark was enough. Lahaina was a Hawaiian jewel that is no longer.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I was unaware of this situation (spent Sun-Wed traveling 800 miles to and from Charleston for funeral) until this a.m. Do we not thus project the possibility that this complete lack of connectivity is just what an EMP would provide? Are we seeing the future?

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Michele's avatar

And--are we seeing another experiment?

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Sunnydaze's avatar

My heart is breaking for them! We love Lahaina! We’ve been there multiple times over the years. Happened to be there when they celebrated the birthday of the old historic Banya tree in the middle of town. Now gone. We had said if we ever went back we would stay in Lahaina as that was our favorite spot. 😢 My heart breaks for the locals and their homes and jobs and livelihoods.

I heard about the winds. Either way….. we just are keenly aware of what liars the govt and media is. Problem is, even if they are telling the truth - why would we believe anything they say? But, it doesn’t stop the grief for the people that live there and are devastated. 😭

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CMCM's avatar

I was last in Lahaina in 2006, and I remember there was a fire not far from the town. I was shocked because I didn't realize there were fires on Maui fairly often. It's definitely windy there as a rule, so any fire would be spread quickly in the dry areas.

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Emumundo's avatar

In Florida I keep hearing warnings for brush fires, every time I turn on the radio! Hey, it’s hurricane season! I wonder if we’re next for the mysterious fires.

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CarO Lyn's avatar

In my area of FL, the space coast, they do routine prescribed burns often and we are notified when it’s happening. Very few spontaneous brush fires here.

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WIMomof3's avatar

Yes we control burn here in the north too. The environmentalists have been complaining about saving the trees and deforestation. And what you see now is the result when you let it be. šŸ”„

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Sunnydaze's avatar

😳

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Ellen Komorowski's avatar

I believe that those fires were set intentionally. This gives more support to their "the earth is literally boiling" mantra!

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Annie's avatar

Agree šŸ’Æ. This was to set the narrative of climate change. Quick! Get your masks on. Stay inside. Here's another shot. Baaa! Baaa! Herd the sheeple. Unfortunately for tptb, they do not control the narrative now. Too many people are on to their game. And a good % of the remaining population are crisis burned out.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Gov of Hawaii press conference was on The Weather Channel this morning and he blamed the fires on climate change.

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AM's avatar

🤢

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LizardFro's avatar

Don’t let anyone get away with the phrase ā€œclimate changeā€ That means nothing - clearly the weather changes every day/season all over the world. Ask them to define their terms! I’m so sick of using

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Dr Linda's avatar

I wonder what the kickback was

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

large contribution to next 'campaign'

Too bad we don't have any way to discover the banking activity of people in charge. Or perhaps we do.

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Dr Linda's avatar

If we do, it’s probably broken

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AngelaK's avatar

What if the change is something under the earth?

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Michele's avatar

Under the earth and in outer space.

Check out Suspicious 0bservers:

https://youtu.be/cEMXp1HlzUs

https://youtu.be/j635Cv2aOlA

Many factors in play here, and it has happened before.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Can't prepare for that beyond trusting that "The Lord is my shepherd. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all of my life."

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CMCM's avatar

Climate change is a convenient, all purpose scapegoat.

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Christy's avatar

Totally agree! Too many fires and explosions lately!

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WIMomof3's avatar

I heard somewhere that the vast majority of wildfires are man made. I hate being skeptical but some things just make me say hmmm…

šŸ¤” kind of like the wildfires and smoke from Canada. I’m suspicious of SO MUCH lately.

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Ripple's avatar

Because the west or leeward sides of the Hawaiian Islands are dry and barren with very little rainfall. It is only on the north and east windward sides where it is rainy, tropical, and lush.

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John Bugni's avatar

You folks don't understand wildfire or tropical islands or the effect of pressure gradients miles away from hurricanes.

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Walt Boyer's avatar

Is it strange that us Boomers and the older Gen Xers learned about plate tectonics and drifting continents in elementary school? I guess science finally caught up to pre Department of Education education.

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TB's avatar

Don't recall if I learned it from school or from old issues of National Geographic, but I'm sure it wasn't mentioned very much in school if it was.

Interesting side note, young-earth creationists actually make a big deal on plate tectonics because their theory is that most of the continental shifting happened during Noah's flood (so, recently in the geological scale) and therefore we shouldn't be surprised if they're still moving a bit today (and faster than old-earth theories predict). Score +1 for the fundamentalists, I guess?

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

4th grade. 1959-60. I remember making a plasticene model of the contours of Africa and South America. Ever since have enjoyed noticing the continental jig-saw puzzle.

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JJ's avatar

Good old plasticine. Can you still get it anymore?

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🌱NardšŸ™'s avatar

If you say ā€œtectonicā€ to today’s public school middle schoolers, they’ll think it’s another identity the can try on 🧐.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Just have to post this again for those who might’ve missed it yesterday:

https://twitchy.com/gordon-kushner/2023/08/09/no-charges-for-sikh-shop-owners-for-viral-beatdown-on-brazen-shoplifter-n2386146

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Valerie's avatar

I will never get tired of watching this video. FAFO.

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RunningLogic's avatar

If every store owner reacted this way to thefts and other similar crimes, there would be far less criminal activity!

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Imagine multiculturalism restoring our culture. Muslims rejecting the gay agenda, Sikhs making bruised shoplifters legal again . . . Things are lookin' up!

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RunningLogic's avatar

The leftists wrongly assumed all the diversity people would be on board with their agenda šŸ˜›

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Yup. Proving once again that evil is stupid.

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Dr Linda's avatar

Stockton and much of the Central Valley was what we used to call conservative. Now it’s just reasonable behavior.

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Donna in MO's avatar

"lab-coated grant-chasers" - love it! I will borrow this phrase for frequent use - thanks Jeff!!

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Dr Linda's avatar

I’m going to utilize as well.

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Salty K's avatar

Totally stealing that one!

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CH's avatar

"I’m starting to think the best policy might be not to take any medicine approved after the year 2000 or so." Bingo!

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Dr Linda's avatar

From NPR SEP22

There's a new island in the South Pacific.

A new island has emerged out of the Pacific Ocean, but it may soon disappear

September 25, 20224:17 PM

ā€œEarlier this month, an underwater volcano near Tonga erupted, oozing lava and expelling steam and water above the surface. It also formed a new land mass that's quickly grown from one to more than eight acres in size.ā€

Where do people think islands in the middle of the ocean come from? Aliens?

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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

On the climate change topic, I think the one thing that's being avoided by the MSM is the injections in the air (stratosphere aresol injections)

https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-dangers-of-stratospheric-aerosol

I think that may actually be trapping all the heat down on earth, making it hotter. Geoengineering messing up again...

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JustANobody's avatar

Bingo!

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Sconnie Girl's avatar

I was on omeprazole for acid reflux. Had side effects. Switched to flamitodine. Saw a surgeon who wanted to fix it with surgery. Hard no for me. Then I asked myself what do I do that is contributing? Realized drinking coffee (acidic) on an empty stomach every morning could be the culprit. Now I eat a piece of bread every morning before my coffee and I’m 99% cured! Doctors all prescribed medicines. Surgeon wanted to schedule surgery. Not one doctor asked about my eating habits. I took charge, diagnosed the problem myself and am cured.

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JustANobody's avatar

Same here!

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Thomas Lewis's avatar

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Myocaditis Is Rare.

It's So Rare That Everyone Has It At Once.

See.

How Rare Is That?

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Annie's avatar

And it rarely affects the unvaxxed.

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Dr Linda's avatar

Ba da bing ba da boom. Nicely pointed out

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WP William's avatar

don't cardiologists discover that persons have had mild heart attacks or conditions that they're not even aware of--like mini strokes?? SEE we have them ALL the time without even knowing it, maybe detection is better now, think of the vast quantity of treatment to be sold to all of us

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

I haven’t had it, so must not be that rare

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Valerie's avatar

It was sarcasm...

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Annie's avatar

Your unvaxxed. šŸ‘

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