“yes it so far has been solved: the Ukraine is NOT a mamber nation in the NATO. “
Ukraine wasn’t a member nation before the war started because of his previous invasion in 2014. The same reason Russia launched invasions of Georgia and Moldova in the 90s.
Nice lie
“That is all Putin ever wanted, and that will be the one non-negotiable item i…
“yes it so far has been solved: the Ukraine is NOT a mamber nation in the NATO. “
Ukraine wasn’t a member nation before the war started because of his previous invasion in 2014. The same reason Russia launched invasions of Georgia and Moldova in the 90s.
Nice lie
“That is all Putin ever wanted, and that will be the one non-negotiable item in any treaty or agreemen.”
That’s a lie. Prior to the current war Ukraine wasn’t eligible because Putin launched an invasion in Ukraine. It wasn’t about nato membership. It was about controlling Ukraine.
As the saying goes Russia with Ukraine is an empire. Russia without Ukraine is just a nation.
“Further you seem to have forgotten a couple details: first, the Crimea and the Donbas have been part of Russia for centuries, artificuially annexed to "Ukraine" as she was formed out of the dust of confustion. (this is called "balkanisation", an old trick of the West to weaken and destabilise "countries") “
Yet Russia agreed they could leave and be their own nation and the majority of people voted to leave Russia in 1991.
It was never about Crimea and Donbas. Russia already held those prior to the war. Why did Russia go and create 2 more “people’s republics” if it’s only about those 2?
Why invade Kyiv and try to take down the government and the rest of Ukraine?
Hint: Ukraine actually existed before Russia and Kyiv was a major city when Moscow was a boggy marsh.
Further, both of those fomer Russian territories VOTED in free and fair elections to cede from the Ukraine, in ine case to remain neutral, in the other to rejoin old Russia.
“Free and fair elections” that’s a joke. Let me guess, the 2020 election was free and fair too?
Run by Russian soldiers?
“The PEOPLE have spoken, yet the Zelensky/Biden cabal would force them to remain under the thumb of the Ukraine. “
So that’s why Russia invaded and annexed Kherson and 2 more regions, right? Because it was only about the Donbas?
Interesting lie that’s easily disproven. The people voted to become independent of Russia. Russia forced them to join them again through their use of Russian soldiers.
Russia agreed that Crimea and Donbas was Ukraine 2 times. Why did they suddenly change their mind and violate the two treaties they signed? Why did they launch another war when they already had Sevastopol? Did Ukraine somehow re occupy it?
“Don't forget, Sebastopol has been, in the past, the Capitol City of Russia, and has been their all-weather seaport and main naval base for a few centuries. WHY would anyone think it should all remain as part of the Ukraine?”
Russia agreed it was apart of Ukraine twice and signed treaties to that effect. Are you saying Russia was wrong and lied, violating those treaties?
Russia already has Sevastopol before the current war. It wasn’t getting bombed weekly.
Now it is and the Black Sea fleet retreated from the city because it kept getting hit with Ukrainian drones losing several major warships.
Why invade Kyiv and try to take down the government and the rest of Ukraine?
Why indeed!! 2014. Victoria Nuland. Duly elected and siting President of Ukraine. Uranium One Biden family. Some bigwig was not bowing and scraping before the corrupt US influences. Asked for help. Nuland obliged, threatened the lawfully operating prosecutor, he refused to back down, coup "magickally happened" taking out the then-sitting President and installing the current playboy dirtbag comedian Zelensky, prosecutor was "dealt with", case magickally vapourised. Burisma went "the right way". OIh and not long after that began the rumblings about the Ukraine joining NATO........
Maybe you and I occupy different planets, thus the radically different "appearance" of some of these things.
“Why invade Kyiv and try to take down the government and the rest of Ukraine?
Why indeed!! “
Wait, I thought it was strictly about Donbas and Crimea?
Like I said, it was never about those regions. It was about all of Ukraine. Atleast be consistent on your lies.
“2014. Victoria Nuland. Duly elected and siting President of Ukraine. “
The Russian backed puppet fled after refusing to bend to the will of the people. He didn’t get forced out, he was being impeached and ran away with his billions to Russia. That “duly elected” president had been booted before for falsifying election results.
Zelenskyy refused to run when 200k Russian soldiers were coming into Ukraine from all sides.
Maybe you should have better puppets who believe in the cause, I guess.
“Uranium One Biden family. “
That’s Russia. Not Ukraine. Maybe you should go and research your crime families. Uranium one involves Russia, not Ukraine.
Why did hunter Biden accept 4 million dollar bribes from the mayor of Moscow?
“Some bigwig was not bowing and scraping before the corrupt US influences. Asked for help. Nuland obliged, threatened the lawfully operating prosecutor, he refused to back down, coup "magickally happened" taking out the then-sitting President and installing the current..”
What the f.
My brother in Christ, Zelenskyy wasn’t elected until 2019. In 2014/15 he was still an actor.
You can’t even get the current time Frame right.
Nuland didn’t threaten anyone. That was Biden who threatened a prosecutor to withhold aid. And furthermore that makes Ukraine a victim, not an aggressor. Biden has been deliberately slow rolling aid just like he did post revolution when He blocked lethal aid which trump reversed. Trump sent lethal aid and had us doing training missions with the Ukrainians which helped them a lot during the current war to kill bad guys.
“playboy dirtbag comedian Zelensky, prosecutor was "dealt with", case magickally vapourised. Burisma went "the right way". OIh and not long after that began the rumblings about the Ukraine joining NATO........”
Zelenskyy was elected in 2019, 5 years after the revolution against yanuckovych. Ukraine wasn’t eligible to join nato in 2014-present because Russia invaded in 2014. You ignore this and keep screeching about nato.
You’re not even close to being right. For crying out loud. Petro poroshenko was the interim leader after yanuckoych fled like a coward.
Ukraine was previously denied entry into nato in 2008.
“Maybe you and I occupy different planets, thus the radically different "appearance" of some of these things.”
Yes, we do. You can’t even get basic timelines right. It’s comical and laughable.
“yes it so far has been solved: the Ukraine is NOT a mamber nation in the NATO. “
Ukraine wasn’t a member nation before the war started because of his previous invasion in 2014. The same reason Russia launched invasions of Georgia and Moldova in the 90s.
Nice lie
“That is all Putin ever wanted, and that will be the one non-negotiable item in any treaty or agreemen.”
That’s a lie. Prior to the current war Ukraine wasn’t eligible because Putin launched an invasion in Ukraine. It wasn’t about nato membership. It was about controlling Ukraine.
As the saying goes Russia with Ukraine is an empire. Russia without Ukraine is just a nation.
“Further you seem to have forgotten a couple details: first, the Crimea and the Donbas have been part of Russia for centuries, artificuially annexed to "Ukraine" as she was formed out of the dust of confustion. (this is called "balkanisation", an old trick of the West to weaken and destabilise "countries") “
Yet Russia agreed they could leave and be their own nation and the majority of people voted to leave Russia in 1991.
It was never about Crimea and Donbas. Russia already held those prior to the war. Why did Russia go and create 2 more “people’s republics” if it’s only about those 2?
Why invade Kyiv and try to take down the government and the rest of Ukraine?
Hint: Ukraine actually existed before Russia and Kyiv was a major city when Moscow was a boggy marsh.
Further, both of those fomer Russian territories VOTED in free and fair elections to cede from the Ukraine, in ine case to remain neutral, in the other to rejoin old Russia.
“Free and fair elections” that’s a joke. Let me guess, the 2020 election was free and fair too?
Run by Russian soldiers?
“The PEOPLE have spoken, yet the Zelensky/Biden cabal would force them to remain under the thumb of the Ukraine. “
So that’s why Russia invaded and annexed Kherson and 2 more regions, right? Because it was only about the Donbas?
Interesting lie that’s easily disproven. The people voted to become independent of Russia. Russia forced them to join them again through their use of Russian soldiers.
Russia agreed that Crimea and Donbas was Ukraine 2 times. Why did they suddenly change their mind and violate the two treaties they signed? Why did they launch another war when they already had Sevastopol? Did Ukraine somehow re occupy it?
“Don't forget, Sebastopol has been, in the past, the Capitol City of Russia, and has been their all-weather seaport and main naval base for a few centuries. WHY would anyone think it should all remain as part of the Ukraine?”
Russia agreed it was apart of Ukraine twice and signed treaties to that effect. Are you saying Russia was wrong and lied, violating those treaties?
Russia already has Sevastopol before the current war. It wasn’t getting bombed weekly.
Now it is and the Black Sea fleet retreated from the city because it kept getting hit with Ukrainian drones losing several major warships.
Why invade Kyiv and try to take down the government and the rest of Ukraine?
Why indeed!! 2014. Victoria Nuland. Duly elected and siting President of Ukraine. Uranium One Biden family. Some bigwig was not bowing and scraping before the corrupt US influences. Asked for help. Nuland obliged, threatened the lawfully operating prosecutor, he refused to back down, coup "magickally happened" taking out the then-sitting President and installing the current playboy dirtbag comedian Zelensky, prosecutor was "dealt with", case magickally vapourised. Burisma went "the right way". OIh and not long after that began the rumblings about the Ukraine joining NATO........
Maybe you and I occupy different planets, thus the radically different "appearance" of some of these things.
“Why invade Kyiv and try to take down the government and the rest of Ukraine?
Why indeed!! “
Wait, I thought it was strictly about Donbas and Crimea?
Like I said, it was never about those regions. It was about all of Ukraine. Atleast be consistent on your lies.
“2014. Victoria Nuland. Duly elected and siting President of Ukraine. “
The Russian backed puppet fled after refusing to bend to the will of the people. He didn’t get forced out, he was being impeached and ran away with his billions to Russia. That “duly elected” president had been booted before for falsifying election results.
Zelenskyy refused to run when 200k Russian soldiers were coming into Ukraine from all sides.
Maybe you should have better puppets who believe in the cause, I guess.
“Uranium One Biden family. “
That’s Russia. Not Ukraine. Maybe you should go and research your crime families. Uranium one involves Russia, not Ukraine.
Why did hunter Biden accept 4 million dollar bribes from the mayor of Moscow?
“Some bigwig was not bowing and scraping before the corrupt US influences. Asked for help. Nuland obliged, threatened the lawfully operating prosecutor, he refused to back down, coup "magickally happened" taking out the then-sitting President and installing the current..”
What the f.
My brother in Christ, Zelenskyy wasn’t elected until 2019. In 2014/15 he was still an actor.
You can’t even get the current time Frame right.
Nuland didn’t threaten anyone. That was Biden who threatened a prosecutor to withhold aid. And furthermore that makes Ukraine a victim, not an aggressor. Biden has been deliberately slow rolling aid just like he did post revolution when He blocked lethal aid which trump reversed. Trump sent lethal aid and had us doing training missions with the Ukrainians which helped them a lot during the current war to kill bad guys.
“playboy dirtbag comedian Zelensky, prosecutor was "dealt with", case magickally vapourised. Burisma went "the right way". OIh and not long after that began the rumblings about the Ukraine joining NATO........”
Zelenskyy was elected in 2019, 5 years after the revolution against yanuckovych. Ukraine wasn’t eligible to join nato in 2014-present because Russia invaded in 2014. You ignore this and keep screeching about nato.
You’re not even close to being right. For crying out loud. Petro poroshenko was the interim leader after yanuckoych fled like a coward.
Ukraine was previously denied entry into nato in 2008.
“Maybe you and I occupy different planets, thus the radically different "appearance" of some of these things.”
Yes, we do. You can’t even get basic timelines right. It’s comical and laughable.