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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

“And if Proxy War supporters start saying, ‘well, we’ll just have to beat China too!’, then I intend to mock them so hard they’ll never sit down again without an inflatable cushion ring.”

Now I *really* want them to try it because I can’t wait to see that smackdown!

“the researchers accidentally stumbled across covid mRNA”

You know that is just the researchers being coy because they would have never gotten the study funded if they’d stated that analysis as one of their objectives. Good on them for finding a clever way to work around the COVID cartel enforcers.

“It’s a critical fact that all the study patients were Danish, because Denmark is one of the few countries that properly followed guidelines to aspirate prior to injection, which prevents accidental injection into the bloodstream.”

I did not know that—thank you for that illuminating tidbit, Jeff!

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NAB's avatar

Yes, this was news to me too. When I trained as a nurse back in the dark ages of 1991, we were taught to aspirate when giving injections but in practice, it was hardly ever done. I remember my preceptor laughing at me when I gave my first IM injection because she said, "child, no one EVER does that."

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Holly's avatar

Interesting! I graduated in 1978 as an RN and always aspirated for IM injections. I get chills thinking about my stern MedSurg instructor’s look if I didn’t! 🤪

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Carolyn’s Rae Of Sunshine's avatar

Same here! I graduated from nursing school in 1991 (LPN) and we were taught the same thing for IM injections...weird!

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Julia C's avatar

I know I’m a day late and a dollar short on this reply but, I graduated in 2004 and we were actually taught *not* to aspirate. We were told it was an outdated practice that was not necessary anymore and that it was found to cause more harm than benefit. If you look at the CDC website under ‘Vaccine Recommendations and Guidelines of the ACIP’, under IM injections it says “Aspiration before injection of vaccines or toxoids is not necessary because no large blood vessels are present at the recommended injection sites, and a process that includes aspiration might be more painful for infants.” It looks like they came to their conclusions with a study that evaluated needle lengths and vaccines given under ultrasonographic determination of SC and muscle layer thickness. I specifically remember being told in school that it can cause extra pain and trauma, especially to pediatric or difficult patients, and harms do not outweigh the benefits of the extremely limited percentage of actual times aspiration will stop someone from injecting into a vessel. So for all these times I see the argument that we have all these rogue nurses and MA’s that refuse to follow proper guidelines to aspirate, whether aspiration is right or wrong, that argument is just not true. Currently in the US our guidelines say not to and that is what’s being taught in schools. I always got more aggravated with nurses who couldn’t give a shot with the proper placement. All the times I’ve had SC allergy shots injected up in my armpit or IM shots up in my shoulder blade…I’m like, “what the ever loving heck are you doing?” That’s why I started doing my own allergy shots and I still give myself my own B12 shots now.

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NAB's avatar

Great comment, thank you!

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Carolyn’s Rae Of Sunshine's avatar

Thank you for the updated information on injections...that definitely clears a lot of things up!

I admittedly have not been a practicing LPN for quite some time...my license lapsed in 2002 while I was busy taking care of 4 kids! I never made it back to finish the RN program, but now I’m a nail tech (manicurist) lol...but, always a nurse at heart ♥️!

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Julia C's avatar

Carolyn, sure thing! I too no longer work in the field, due to medical reasons unfortunately. I was an NCMA at a very busy family medicine practice. But I decided to still keep up my yearly certification to keep my brain busy and because I worked darn hard for it!! I also need to keep my head in the game because at this point with my conditions I’m more of a professional patient and I always need to keep sharp and on the ball to make sure I’m not being manipulated. Sad to say but, I have to be more knowledgeable about my disorders than my providers otherwise we never get anywhere. On a different note, I absolutely love the look of manicured nails but, I don’t know how you deal with all those chemical smells! I’m probably more biased on that comment because I have Mast cell disorder and people cutting their grass bothers me. Haha.

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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

Astonishing but not surprising 🤦‍♀️

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