They didn't. Their rainbow is not the full color spectrum. It is missing one of the mid-tones. Also, significantly, it has 6 colors as opposed to the gold standard 7 but you are right on. Just more fraud.
That is interesting. I was reading with a student (homeschool helper) and the book's rainbow only had 6 colors. They left our indigo. I talked to the child about it and they didn't know about indigo. Maybe it was a message? Hmmm, if only I could remember the book.
Nahhh, ours is way better and way different. We have 7 colors in a certain order. They have 6 colors, in the wrong order. 7 is the number of God. 6 is the number of man & Satan.
I wondered about this symbolism early one. My daughters were always super attracted to rainbows, unicorns, pastels, etc. , and we lose our beloved family pets, they go "over the rainbow", not to mention the whole "pride cometh before the fall" thing.
Can you really look at a real rainbow and think of only the bad and not the absolute beauty of those delicate colors suspended in the sky? There are few things that make me know there is good in the world, a rainbow is one of those things.
The rainbow is pure science. God created science, and thereby making His promise to us all.
The other side have made a fake rainbow for a fake reason. Neither the symbol nor the gender issue is true.
Light through a prism shows 7 colors. That’s the truth full stop. Their symbolism does not. It is not the truth and men in women’s clothing are not women. Wolves and sheep come to mind. Soon little girls will have no place to go to swim. No place for privacy. You my think this is a feminist problem but if you break women you will lose your culture.
I think this whole mess does no good for the decent homo's and lesbians who are mortified just like us straight people. It is hard enough, I know from several of these, just to have a somewhat normal existence without all this crap dragging them down as well.
the ones that do not parade in the streets. the ones that keep their relationships like decent people do, inside their homes. The ones that only 50 years ago were murdered because they were homosexual. They do not want all this hetze that makes them too look bad!
I understand your point. I refer to God's Word to tell me what God considers decent or indecent. Homosexuality is a sin against God, according to the Bible. Having stated that, I do know and care about folks involved in that sinful behavior. I am no better than any other sinner, although my sins are not the same. As a matter of fact, I'm most likely the worst sinner that anyone could ever know. Only through the grace of God could I ever be forgiven, and that same forgiveness extends to homosexuals. We all need Jesus, regardless of our sin, and He loves every single one of us and wants us to be more like Him. God bless you!
Ted, I think the difference here is as Christians we are called to hate our sin. Yes we are all sinners but as we are sanctified in our walk we become less inclined to do so over our lives.
The whole pride concept on the other hand, celebrates sin, promotes it as a virtue, and attempts to pull others into it. That's far different from the thorn in our flesh Paul discusses regarding struggling with sin.
Ingrid's "decent homos" comment (lol, my sinful nature snickers at that moniker) distinguishes between those that are engaged in a sinful activity versus those who celebrate and promote it. It's a real distinction and a good one.
And I would argue that whenever we engage in any sinful activity, we are promoting it. We may think we act in darkness, but we’re never as discreet as we’d like to think we are.
I agree JeffC, the distinction is real. Yet, the distinction between a murderer who keeps to himself (such as a serial killer) and a murderer who encourages and promotes murder to others is less clear.
As a bible-believing Christian of course I think homosexuality is wrong. However, I'll be the first to admit I have zero temptation in this area so it's pretty easy for me to condemn it. I have plenty of temptation when it come to scantily-clad hot females though, and I have to resist that temptation every day.
How many people condemn homosexuality simply because it's not their sin? The Bible condemns all sexual immorality and it's a pretty long list. I can pretty much guarantee we've all participated in one form or another in our lives. Hopefully less so as we've walked with the Lord over time.
No where in the Bible does it say homosexuals won't enter heaven. We serve a God of grace thank goodness. However, celebrating sin, recruiting others (in particular children) and blaspheming God takes it to a whole different level. That's where we are now with "pride".
With all due respect, Jeff, (and I mean that sincerely) I think there is a nuance that you're overlooking. True, pride itself is a sin. Likewise, it is true that there is a distinction between celebrating a sin and keeping it under wraps. However, there is also a distinction between being an unrepentant and a repentant sinner.
To be same-sex attracted is not something that is easily changed (although, contrary to popular mythology, same-sex attraction can be mitigated through treatment, especially during childhood and early adolescence), but whether or not to engage in homosexual behavior is much more of a choice. What this means is, first of all, that there is no such thing as BEING "gay," in the ontological sense. One can BE same-sex attracted, but what one does cannot, at least in this case, define who one IS. The way it worked in the past was that many people kept their same-sex attractions secret, many times from themselves, and did their best not to act on them, often getting married (really married) and having families. Many people still do that.
Those who are same-sex attracted are usually carrying a very heavy cross, it's true, but many of them manage to avoid or leave behind the homosexual activity that they desire, just as you refrain (I assume) from pursuing scantily-clad hot females.
Anyway, what I am getting at is that someone who lives a quiet life that involves ongoing engagement in homosexual activity, without even trying to resist such behavior, is an unrepentant sinner, and that is a more sinful and harmful (to them and to others) state than someone who avoids, or does their best to avoid acting on such impulses. To operationalize this, the same-sex couple that lives a quiet life down the street, while not flaunting and promoting homosexuality, is still doing harm to others and to themselves by their unrestrained modeling of and engagement in such behavior.
Completely agree with every word of it and I'm not excusing or rationalizing away sinful behavior. What I am pointing out is how many people condemning homosexuals are secretly looking at heterosexual pornography (or other such sexual immorality)? Or lusting after women other than their wife?
The Bible condemns it all, it doesn't have a special provision that says homosexual behavior is really, really, really, really, really sinful. However it does have that provision when it comes to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (the unpardonable sin). That's where we are now with pride.
My point is that just because someone finds the idea of homosexual sex disgusting (which I do at a base level so there is no temptation) it doesn't make me a moral person if I'm still leering after women.
I'm not arguing for same sex marriage or even relationships as of course it's all sinful. What I am pointing out is that there's a reason some people that call themselves Christians get tagged as self-righteous, hypocritical, and unloving. It's easy to condemn homosexuals when there is no temptation. But the sin is actually sexual immorality (homosexuality is a subset of that) and of that we are all guilty at some point in our lives.
Adding to this that of course churches should not "accept" homosexual behavior and a pastor should (privately) call out someone engaged in it. Just as that pastor should also call out the guy cheating on his wife, visiting strip bars, or sleeping with his girlfriend. Same applies for women. It's all sexual immorality (sin).
Yes. I think what I was trying to do was clarify the question of "being gay," because I don't think most people are clear about that, and secondly to address the earlier comment about the "decent" homosexual, which I think was legitimately confusing. I just don't think it is possible to be engaged in ongoing homosexual behavior and be considered "decent," anymore than there is such a thing as a decent serial adulterer or a "decent" willful, unrepentant participant in the hook-up culture.
"No where in the Bible does it say homosexuals won't enter heaven."
On the contrary, it says *exactly* that:
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Cor. 6:9-10
Well Fred, I guess you aren't going to heaven then. Have you ever fornicated? How about stolen something such as pens from the office? Been drunk? Looked at pornography? Coveted that new car your neighbor bought?
Thank goodness you are taking this passage out of context or we are all doomed.
My point (which I think you know) is that it's the unrepentant that don't go to heaven. Having engaged in homosexual acts (or any sexually immorality for that matter) does not exclude someone from heaven.
We serve a God of grace, we are forgiven of all if we repent and accept Christ.
Seriously, this is why we are labeled as self-righteous and unloving. I get it that you don't have the temptation for homosexual behavior, neither do I. We are blessed for that. But that in and off itself doesn't make us righteous. Sexual immorality is the sin, not just homosexuality.
Sin is sin. If a homosexual is denied heaven then so is the heterosexual that views pornography or lusts after other women. Heaven is going to be an awfully lonely place.
The only sin that cannot be forgiven is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (that is rejecting God's call). That's it, the Bible is clear.
For the record, I'm not Jeff Childers but my name is similar and use this handle across substack.
I may or may not get to heaven - depends on whether or not I am able to obtain absolution from my many sins, which Jesus gave His authority to Peter to forgive or not. (See Mt. 16:18-19)
But the point is, you said "No where in the Bible does it say homosexuals won't enter heaven." And I hear this over and over again from those who want to say that homosexuality is not sinful. In fact, the Bible says so in both the Old and New Testaments.
Maybe that wasn't your point, but that is indeed what you said (that nowhere in the Bible does it say homosexuals won't enter heaven.) I could probably find at least 6 more passages that *do* say homosexuals and homosexuality is a sin that cries to Heaven for vengeance.
Well said. There are no decent people engaging in any form of sexual perversion, including fornication between men and women. It is all an affront to God. And it is all forgivable if true repentance occurs.
All this craziness and perversion is an offshoot of "normalizing" and accepting homosexuality in our society. The Bible calls homosexuality an "Abomination"....but now we have a large segment of our society embracing them because there are lots of "decent homos". No doubt there are many, maybe most who just want to live their deviant lifestyle with their significant other in peace...BUT the problem of deviant lifestyles is that it leads to other deviancies and becomes a real problem for the rest of us when their perversions lead them to children. Children!
The gay lifestyle is like getting on the wrong road at the outset...it's not going to lead to anything good or right, and may lead to some atrocious evils. We're seeing that happen as the natural progression of unchecked sin.
An abomination indeed!! I once had a person tell me to keep my faith to myself but yet she didn’t keep her perverted lifestyle to herself.
We are called to evangelize as Christians so that all will hear the GOOD news of Christ’s sacrifice and His offer of forgiveness and salvation.
One has to wonder who is calling for the promotion of alternative/perverse sexual behavior. Scripture tells us precisely who calls for the promotion of sin.
I, too, know Lesbians who conduct their lives in a inconspicuous manner. They don’t promote their lifestyle; they mind their own business, so to speak. However, if Lesbians or Homosexuals continue to repeat the behavior OR Heterosexuals, for that matter, continue to repeat the sin is not the fundamental issue, biblically speaking. Paul in the Bible says “I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.” That is our constant struggle with sin. Drilling down even further is whether or not God gives us/me the heart for repentance. You do not repent of your own free will. Everyone last one of us is a sinner and it is part of our sinful nature that we always will do what is first and foremost in our hearts and minds. That is where forming a relationship with God/Jesus begins the healing. He will lead us to repentance and the will not to sin and it is He who will forgive.
We are all guilty of many sins and God sees no difference in those sins, thus he forgave them all with the sacrifice of his only son. We are not to judge another’s sin, as judgement belongs only to God and for us to do so is to add another sin to our own list. We are to, instead, as Jesus stated, love every human as God loved us in order to bring about God’s kingdom here on earth. It is between each human and God as to how we work on our sinful natures. Because we don’t understand others’ sins, or even perhaps believe them to be worse than ours, does not relinquish us from the command of loving them as did Jesus; our example and love for them may be the very light they need to see their path back to God. I have gay friends who are two of the most caring individuals I know; have adopted and raised a special needs heterosexual son to be an upstanding, caring citizen. These guys are super conservative and abhor what’s going on today with regard to children. It’s true, I don’t understand how they and God handle their situations but I don’t question it; it’s not my business but to pray for and support them.
I understand where you’re coming from but the fact is they still demand that the baker bakes their cake, the photographers work their weddings and their adopted or purchased children , and children in general, be taught that their lifestyle is normal and harmless. It’s neither, and while I don’t condemn them (I’m as much a sinner too) I can’t condone or accept the “out and proud” . And the link between pedophilia and homosexuality is well-established. It’s not a myth.
Just because you are a gay man, or even woman, does not mean you are a pedophile. Most people (even gay people) want long term relationship and a family.
Pedophiles can be married and straight.....most of the ones identified, I would say, probably fit the straight married variety. Some people are just evil.
100%. I am a survivor of child sex abuse and my abuser was a straight, white, "Christian" (obviously not really) male who was married with children. Gay or straight alone has nothing to do with one being a pedophile.
gay and lesbian, IMO, should not be allowed to adopt. Children should be raised in a family, I think. Then again, there seem to be households with a man with multiple wives, who do well. Who are we to judge. But I think it would be best for a child, to be raised in a man and woman household.
It's not my place to judge anyone. But intentionally harming an innocent child is punishable by death, no matter the circumstances. I don't need a law written by humans to execute biblical justice upon evil. All I need is a lack of fear for whatever humans choose to do about it. I cannot be threatened with Heaven.
it should be imprinted in humans, that you do not harm a child. But for some reason, some people, more and more people, seem to have no morals anymore. In the middle ages you heard of choir boys being abused, all kind of horrible things going on in convents (but not all I am sure), there have always been rapists and abusers, women beaters, but I think nowadays we come to atrocities I did not think would ever be done. I don't think it is religion related, I just think there is no moral code in people anymore. As I point out, the convents and the churches are no mirror to look into. Just had that pic of the dalai lama and a little boy. No one is exempt from the gross loss of dignity in our societies.
I was thinking about this. Most of us people want to live and let live. When homosexuals first wanted "to come out of the closet", it was couched in terms of "live and let live", privacy of your own home, etc. Most people let them be. My father warned me that was not the final goal, and he was right. If homosexuals had started with what we see today, they would never have gotten any political traction. But we see that "coming out of the closet" lead to gay rights lead to gay benefits for couples lead to gay marriage lead to more alphabet people lead to trans lead to pedophilia. NAMBLA has been around for at least 30 years, working behind the scenes...all because we wanted to live and let live.
We could go back 10 years further from the gay liberation movement. Once free love was advocated in the '60's, the rest followed as a (un)natural progression.
BFM you continue to be succinct in getting your point across. Exactly this! I too was tolerant, but now they want to do tranny drag shows in front of 6 year olds? The parents that bring those children are more guilty than the trannys. The parents should be jailed and the kids relocated. It’s beyond time (maybe too late) to recover from this without something extreme happening. And I don’t think America has the stomach for what needs to be done.
I’m in Martin County, thank god for Florida and you steadfast Florida realists.
The Genesis 19 account of Sodom and Gomorrah demonstrates exactly why there can be no tolerance in a society for homosexual behavior. When all of the Sodom men both young and old surrounded Lot's house, they demanded that Lot, even almost breaking down his door, give these men (angels) to them to have relations with them. When the angels struck the Sodom men blind, these blind men wearied themselves to find the door to Lot's house to molest the angels. Lust can never be satisfied! I doubt that all the men of Sodom became homosexual at one time. I am sure it was tolerance on the part of the city with one homosexual which led to others much like in our nation. Human nature has not changed since the fall.
This country is fast becoming like Sodom and Gomorrah. Thankfully God created the rainbow so he won't destroy mankind again. In our puny brain, we have taken over that too, but creating world wars. Many saints have prophesied of WW3, and we sort of see it beginning.
I had two good friends (technically still "have", we've just fallen out of touch) that were a gay couple and last I heard had been together 31+ years. No kids, just dogs. My biological great uncle and his partner are the reason my bio-mom came to Columbus to get rid of me, and thank God she did or I would not have had my family. Had my uncle been alone, who knows if he could have taken care of my bio-mom on his own and where would I be? His partner, who I was luck enough to meet when he was 88 (!) played a huge roll in me being here.
There are 33,000 different Christian sects. I argue with my friend who is an author and a minister,, about the Bible, which he reads every day and interprets and finds deep truth in. But who decided it was the word of God? Much in it seems of its time and there is a huge amount of Apocrypha that humans not gods left out for political reasons. If dogma and doctrine and creed crowd out the transcendent ideals of love and caring for the poor and the children and the widowed and valuing love and family no matter the sexual identity of those doing the loving,how is that any different than any other political repression? But one should not argue religion without enough coffee lol, and perhaps one shouldn't argue it at all. Islam gave birth to terrorism, abuse of young girls by illegal immigrants in the UK, grooming gangs, because according to them the girls are heathen and subhuman, but it also gave birth to mystics and Sufism.
A Garden Among the Flames
O Marvel,
a garden among the flames!
My heart can take on
any form:
a meadow for gazelles,
a cloister for monks,
For the idols, sacred ground,
Ka’ba for the circling pilgrim,
the tables of the Torah,
the scrolls of the Qur’ān.
I profess the religion of love;
wherever its caravan turns along the way,
that is the belief,
the faith I keep.
From Poem 11 of the Tarjuman al-ashwaq, translation by Michael A. Sells
indeed. Just like it was before it all became a farce. These people cannot help being as they are, but at least they keep it all in their own homes, where it belongs. Imagine if all straight people behaved like that in the streets. We keep ourselves to ourselves too, and those that are doing more than hold a hand as a couple, are being looked upon as well.
This is why God delivered them over to degrading passions. For even their females exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
The males in the same way also left natural relations with females and were inflamed in their lust for one another. Males committed shameless acts with males and received in their own persons the penalty of their error.
And because they did not think it worthwhile to acknowledge God, God delivered them over to a worthless mind to do what is morally wrong.
My hairdresser for 42 years is gay. I had to suffer through hearing his gay escapades for years, just to get a decent haircut (He really was the best!). I dreaded going to see him, but I was hooked on his hair talent. Well, he freaked out over Covid and I haven’t seen him in over three years now. I do not miss the gay stories, but I do miss my great hair. Sigh...
I hope you are kidding. My uncle was gay and he never stuck his sexuality in anyone's face. I really did not know as a child and he was one of the most wonderful people in my life.
Re: Where to draw lines? We have a profound teaching to follow: Jesus silently stooped down and began tracing His finger in the sand. The Pharisees and teachers kept on questioning Him until He finally stood and said, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her” (John 8:7). ...and then to the woman: "...neither do I condemn you."
My mom had 4 brothers and the only one who took care of us and helped us was gay he was the best of all . And we know the difference between gay and transgender. Not the same.
Pro LGBTQ (Liquor, Guns, Bacon, Tacos and Quesadillas)
Time to take back the alphabet AND rainbow! 🙌 🙌
AND please take back the baby colors pastel pink and blue!
I know I’m sick of rainbows and unicorns!
I was thinking that while on a long drive yesterday. Dang activists ruined rainbows.
They have hijacked God's 🌈 . His covenant with mankind. 😥
They hate God. They hate His commandments. God have mercy on their souls.
Angela,
They didn't. Their rainbow is not the full color spectrum. It is missing one of the mid-tones. Also, significantly, it has 6 colors as opposed to the gold standard 7 but you are right on. Just more fraud.
Later Jay
much like cartoons have four fingers instead of five
That is interesting. I was reading with a student (homeschool helper) and the book's rainbow only had 6 colors. They left our indigo. I talked to the child about it and they didn't know about indigo. Maybe it was a message? Hmmm, if only I could remember the book.
That was on purpose.
Nahhh, ours is way better and way different. We have 7 colors in a certain order. They have 6 colors, in the wrong order. 7 is the number of God. 6 is the number of man & Satan.
wow-never even noticed that. I thought it was Roy G. Biv-like I learned in kindergarten.
R O Y G B I V is 7 colors.
That is what I am saying. I did not know their rainbow was only 6 colors until today. Sadly, I do not have pride flags around the crib to check.
Gotcha. I misunderstood.
no harm done :)
That's how I learned it, too!
666
👏👏👏
On purpose!
Absolutely. Using rainbows for "pride" is Satan's counterfeit of God's promise.
I wondered about this symbolism early one. My daughters were always super attracted to rainbows, unicorns, pastels, etc. , and we lose our beloved family pets, they go "over the rainbow", not to mention the whole "pride cometh before the fall" thing.
Exactly! Very intentional! Satan isn’t stupid.
Of course … the rainbow is a promise , “Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy
all life.”
It’s like Satan to say ….are you sure about that promise God ?
How mocking …
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Can you really look at a real rainbow and think of only the bad and not the absolute beauty of those delicate colors suspended in the sky? There are few things that make me know there is good in the world, a rainbow is one of those things.
True. Even when I see one thru hose water, I know it is special.
That sucks. Rainbows and unicorns.
Why should rainbows be singled out? What haven’t they sullied?
“Steal...kill...destroy”
The rainbow is pure science. God created science, and thereby making His promise to us all.
The other side have made a fake rainbow for a fake reason. Neither the symbol nor the gender issue is true.
Light through a prism shows 7 colors. That’s the truth full stop. Their symbolism does not. It is not the truth and men in women’s clothing are not women. Wolves and sheep come to mind. Soon little girls will have no place to go to swim. No place for privacy. You my think this is a feminist problem but if you break women you will lose your culture.
Answers in Genesis has. Where is the rest of Christianity?
The entire dictionary gets my vote, illustrations 🧬 🚹🚺🚮
included.
well in that case... LOL
I think this whole mess does no good for the decent homo's and lesbians who are mortified just like us straight people. It is hard enough, I know from several of these, just to have a somewhat normal existence without all this crap dragging them down as well.
Decent homos, lol.
the ones that do not parade in the streets. the ones that keep their relationships like decent people do, inside their homes. The ones that only 50 years ago were murdered because they were homosexual. They do not want all this hetze that makes them too look bad!
I understand your point. I refer to God's Word to tell me what God considers decent or indecent. Homosexuality is a sin against God, according to the Bible. Having stated that, I do know and care about folks involved in that sinful behavior. I am no better than any other sinner, although my sins are not the same. As a matter of fact, I'm most likely the worst sinner that anyone could ever know. Only through the grace of God could I ever be forgiven, and that same forgiveness extends to homosexuals. We all need Jesus, regardless of our sin, and He loves every single one of us and wants us to be more like Him. God bless you!
Ted, I think the difference here is as Christians we are called to hate our sin. Yes we are all sinners but as we are sanctified in our walk we become less inclined to do so over our lives.
The whole pride concept on the other hand, celebrates sin, promotes it as a virtue, and attempts to pull others into it. That's far different from the thorn in our flesh Paul discusses regarding struggling with sin.
Ingrid's "decent homos" comment (lol, my sinful nature snickers at that moniker) distinguishes between those that are engaged in a sinful activity versus those who celebrate and promote it. It's a real distinction and a good one.
And I would argue that whenever we engage in any sinful activity, we are promoting it. We may think we act in darkness, but we’re never as discreet as we’d like to think we are.
I agree JeffC, the distinction is real. Yet, the distinction between a murderer who keeps to himself (such as a serial killer) and a murderer who encourages and promotes murder to others is less clear.
As a bible-believing Christian of course I think homosexuality is wrong. However, I'll be the first to admit I have zero temptation in this area so it's pretty easy for me to condemn it. I have plenty of temptation when it come to scantily-clad hot females though, and I have to resist that temptation every day.
How many people condemn homosexuality simply because it's not their sin? The Bible condemns all sexual immorality and it's a pretty long list. I can pretty much guarantee we've all participated in one form or another in our lives. Hopefully less so as we've walked with the Lord over time.
No where in the Bible does it say homosexuals won't enter heaven. We serve a God of grace thank goodness. However, celebrating sin, recruiting others (in particular children) and blaspheming God takes it to a whole different level. That's where we are now with "pride".
With all due respect, Jeff, (and I mean that sincerely) I think there is a nuance that you're overlooking. True, pride itself is a sin. Likewise, it is true that there is a distinction between celebrating a sin and keeping it under wraps. However, there is also a distinction between being an unrepentant and a repentant sinner.
To be same-sex attracted is not something that is easily changed (although, contrary to popular mythology, same-sex attraction can be mitigated through treatment, especially during childhood and early adolescence), but whether or not to engage in homosexual behavior is much more of a choice. What this means is, first of all, that there is no such thing as BEING "gay," in the ontological sense. One can BE same-sex attracted, but what one does cannot, at least in this case, define who one IS. The way it worked in the past was that many people kept their same-sex attractions secret, many times from themselves, and did their best not to act on them, often getting married (really married) and having families. Many people still do that.
Those who are same-sex attracted are usually carrying a very heavy cross, it's true, but many of them manage to avoid or leave behind the homosexual activity that they desire, just as you refrain (I assume) from pursuing scantily-clad hot females.
Anyway, what I am getting at is that someone who lives a quiet life that involves ongoing engagement in homosexual activity, without even trying to resist such behavior, is an unrepentant sinner, and that is a more sinful and harmful (to them and to others) state than someone who avoids, or does their best to avoid acting on such impulses. To operationalize this, the same-sex couple that lives a quiet life down the street, while not flaunting and promoting homosexuality, is still doing harm to others and to themselves by their unrestrained modeling of and engagement in such behavior.
Completely agree with every word of it and I'm not excusing or rationalizing away sinful behavior. What I am pointing out is how many people condemning homosexuals are secretly looking at heterosexual pornography (or other such sexual immorality)? Or lusting after women other than their wife?
The Bible condemns it all, it doesn't have a special provision that says homosexual behavior is really, really, really, really, really sinful. However it does have that provision when it comes to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (the unpardonable sin). That's where we are now with pride.
My point is that just because someone finds the idea of homosexual sex disgusting (which I do at a base level so there is no temptation) it doesn't make me a moral person if I'm still leering after women.
I'm not arguing for same sex marriage or even relationships as of course it's all sinful. What I am pointing out is that there's a reason some people that call themselves Christians get tagged as self-righteous, hypocritical, and unloving. It's easy to condemn homosexuals when there is no temptation. But the sin is actually sexual immorality (homosexuality is a subset of that) and of that we are all guilty at some point in our lives.
Adding to this that of course churches should not "accept" homosexual behavior and a pastor should (privately) call out someone engaged in it. Just as that pastor should also call out the guy cheating on his wife, visiting strip bars, or sleeping with his girlfriend. Same applies for women. It's all sexual immorality (sin).
Yes. I think what I was trying to do was clarify the question of "being gay," because I don't think most people are clear about that, and secondly to address the earlier comment about the "decent" homosexual, which I think was legitimately confusing. I just don't think it is possible to be engaged in ongoing homosexual behavior and be considered "decent," anymore than there is such a thing as a decent serial adulterer or a "decent" willful, unrepentant participant in the hook-up culture.
"No where in the Bible does it say homosexuals won't enter heaven."
On the contrary, it says *exactly* that:
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Cor. 6:9-10
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Homosexuality
Well Fred, I guess you aren't going to heaven then. Have you ever fornicated? How about stolen something such as pens from the office? Been drunk? Looked at pornography? Coveted that new car your neighbor bought?
Thank goodness you are taking this passage out of context or we are all doomed.
My point (which I think you know) is that it's the unrepentant that don't go to heaven. Having engaged in homosexual acts (or any sexually immorality for that matter) does not exclude someone from heaven.
We serve a God of grace, we are forgiven of all if we repent and accept Christ.
Seriously, this is why we are labeled as self-righteous and unloving. I get it that you don't have the temptation for homosexual behavior, neither do I. We are blessed for that. But that in and off itself doesn't make us righteous. Sexual immorality is the sin, not just homosexuality.
Sin is sin. If a homosexual is denied heaven then so is the heterosexual that views pornography or lusts after other women. Heaven is going to be an awfully lonely place.
The only sin that cannot be forgiven is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (that is rejecting God's call). That's it, the Bible is clear.
For the record, I'm not Jeff Childers but my name is similar and use this handle across substack.
I may or may not get to heaven - depends on whether or not I am able to obtain absolution from my many sins, which Jesus gave His authority to Peter to forgive or not. (See Mt. 16:18-19)
But the point is, you said "No where in the Bible does it say homosexuals won't enter heaven." And I hear this over and over again from those who want to say that homosexuality is not sinful. In fact, the Bible says so in both the Old and New Testaments.
Maybe that wasn't your point, but that is indeed what you said (that nowhere in the Bible does it say homosexuals won't enter heaven.) I could probably find at least 6 more passages that *do* say homosexuals and homosexuality is a sin that cries to Heaven for vengeance.
GRACE greater than ALL OUR SINS!!
👍💯 Beautifully stated.
hate the sin, not the sinner
Well said. There are no decent people engaging in any form of sexual perversion, including fornication between men and women. It is all an affront to God. And it is all forgivable if true repentance occurs.
All this craziness and perversion is an offshoot of "normalizing" and accepting homosexuality in our society. The Bible calls homosexuality an "Abomination"....but now we have a large segment of our society embracing them because there are lots of "decent homos". No doubt there are many, maybe most who just want to live their deviant lifestyle with their significant other in peace...BUT the problem of deviant lifestyles is that it leads to other deviancies and becomes a real problem for the rest of us when their perversions lead them to children. Children!
The gay lifestyle is like getting on the wrong road at the outset...it's not going to lead to anything good or right, and may lead to some atrocious evils. We're seeing that happen as the natural progression of unchecked sin.
An abomination indeed!! I once had a person tell me to keep my faith to myself but yet she didn’t keep her perverted lifestyle to herself.
We are called to evangelize as Christians so that all will hear the GOOD news of Christ’s sacrifice and His offer of forgiveness and salvation.
One has to wonder who is calling for the promotion of alternative/perverse sexual behavior. Scripture tells us precisely who calls for the promotion of sin.
It’s not God.
I, too, know Lesbians who conduct their lives in a inconspicuous manner. They don’t promote their lifestyle; they mind their own business, so to speak. However, if Lesbians or Homosexuals continue to repeat the behavior OR Heterosexuals, for that matter, continue to repeat the sin is not the fundamental issue, biblically speaking. Paul in the Bible says “I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.” That is our constant struggle with sin. Drilling down even further is whether or not God gives us/me the heart for repentance. You do not repent of your own free will. Everyone last one of us is a sinner and it is part of our sinful nature that we always will do what is first and foremost in our hearts and minds. That is where forming a relationship with God/Jesus begins the healing. He will lead us to repentance and the will not to sin and it is He who will forgive.
We are all guilty of many sins and God sees no difference in those sins, thus he forgave them all with the sacrifice of his only son. We are not to judge another’s sin, as judgement belongs only to God and for us to do so is to add another sin to our own list. We are to, instead, as Jesus stated, love every human as God loved us in order to bring about God’s kingdom here on earth. It is between each human and God as to how we work on our sinful natures. Because we don’t understand others’ sins, or even perhaps believe them to be worse than ours, does not relinquish us from the command of loving them as did Jesus; our example and love for them may be the very light they need to see their path back to God. I have gay friends who are two of the most caring individuals I know; have adopted and raised a special needs heterosexual son to be an upstanding, caring citizen. These guys are super conservative and abhor what’s going on today with regard to children. It’s true, I don’t understand how they and God handle their situations but I don’t question it; it’s not my business but to pray for and support them.
Accurately and beautifully stated. Love is the only way through. Love is a hard teaching. It is so much easier to judge and to hate.
Well said Ted!
I understand where you’re coming from but the fact is they still demand that the baker bakes their cake, the photographers work their weddings and their adopted or purchased children , and children in general, be taught that their lifestyle is normal and harmless. It’s neither, and while I don’t condemn them (I’m as much a sinner too) I can’t condone or accept the “out and proud” . And the link between pedophilia and homosexuality is well-established. It’s not a myth.
What about gay men that adopt boys? Is that ok if they stay quiet and out of view?
Or marriage to 8 year olds? etc
As a society, do we draw a line on degenerate behavior?
Just because you are a gay man, or even woman, does not mean you are a pedophile. Most people (even gay people) want long term relationship and a family.
Pedophiles can be married and straight.....most of the ones identified, I would say, probably fit the straight married variety. Some people are just evil.
100%. I am a survivor of child sex abuse and my abuser was a straight, white, "Christian" (obviously not really) male who was married with children. Gay or straight alone has nothing to do with one being a pedophile.
Exactly.
What does a child of a gay couple do to fill the void of
the missing father or mother?
Perhaps the same as any child of a single parent.
gay and lesbian, IMO, should not be allowed to adopt. Children should be raised in a family, I think. Then again, there seem to be households with a man with multiple wives, who do well. Who are we to judge. But I think it would be best for a child, to be raised in a man and woman household.
It's not my place to judge anyone. But intentionally harming an innocent child is punishable by death, no matter the circumstances. I don't need a law written by humans to execute biblical justice upon evil. All I need is a lack of fear for whatever humans choose to do about it. I cannot be threatened with Heaven.
it should be imprinted in humans, that you do not harm a child. But for some reason, some people, more and more people, seem to have no morals anymore. In the middle ages you heard of choir boys being abused, all kind of horrible things going on in convents (but not all I am sure), there have always been rapists and abusers, women beaters, but I think nowadays we come to atrocities I did not think would ever be done. I don't think it is religion related, I just think there is no moral code in people anymore. As I point out, the convents and the churches are no mirror to look into. Just had that pic of the dalai lama and a little boy. No one is exempt from the gross loss of dignity in our societies.
I believe the line should be drawn at God's Word. "Tolerance is the virtue of a man without convictions." (not my quote)
I use to be very tolerant. Let people do their own thing.
But it's all weaponized against normal society.
So I'm done with it. No more gay support at all.
Down with degeneracy.
I’m with you BFM; it’s been shoved down our throats and we’re called every kind of name for rejecting their sick perversions.
I was thinking about this. Most of us people want to live and let live. When homosexuals first wanted "to come out of the closet", it was couched in terms of "live and let live", privacy of your own home, etc. Most people let them be. My father warned me that was not the final goal, and he was right. If homosexuals had started with what we see today, they would never have gotten any political traction. But we see that "coming out of the closet" lead to gay rights lead to gay benefits for couples lead to gay marriage lead to more alphabet people lead to trans lead to pedophilia. NAMBLA has been around for at least 30 years, working behind the scenes...all because we wanted to live and let live.
The political movement of homosexuality began in the 70s with the gay liberation movement and the gay lobby ensued, and it is a powerful one.
We could go back 10 years further from the gay liberation movement. Once free love was advocated in the '60's, the rest followed as a (un)natural progression.
BFM you continue to be succinct in getting your point across. Exactly this! I too was tolerant, but now they want to do tranny drag shows in front of 6 year olds? The parents that bring those children are more guilty than the trannys. The parents should be jailed and the kids relocated. It’s beyond time (maybe too late) to recover from this without something extreme happening. And I don’t think America has the stomach for what needs to be done.
I’m in Martin County, thank god for Florida and you steadfast Florida realists.
The Genesis 19 account of Sodom and Gomorrah demonstrates exactly why there can be no tolerance in a society for homosexual behavior. When all of the Sodom men both young and old surrounded Lot's house, they demanded that Lot, even almost breaking down his door, give these men (angels) to them to have relations with them. When the angels struck the Sodom men blind, these blind men wearied themselves to find the door to Lot's house to molest the angels. Lust can never be satisfied! I doubt that all the men of Sodom became homosexual at one time. I am sure it was tolerance on the part of the city with one homosexual which led to others much like in our nation. Human nature has not changed since the fall.
This country is fast becoming like Sodom and Gomorrah. Thankfully God created the rainbow so he won't destroy mankind again. In our puny brain, we have taken over that too, but creating world wars. Many saints have prophesied of WW3, and we sort of see it beginning.
I think that quote is Chesterton
Only if it is drawn with invisible ink you savage.
I don’t think homosexuals should be allowed to adopt children.
I had two good friends (technically still "have", we've just fallen out of touch) that were a gay couple and last I heard had been together 31+ years. No kids, just dogs. My biological great uncle and his partner are the reason my bio-mom came to Columbus to get rid of me, and thank God she did or I would not have had my family. Had my uncle been alone, who knows if he could have taken care of my bio-mom on his own and where would I be? His partner, who I was luck enough to meet when he was 88 (!) played a huge roll in me being here.
I can't fault anyone for living their lives.
There are 33,000 different Christian sects. I argue with my friend who is an author and a minister,, about the Bible, which he reads every day and interprets and finds deep truth in. But who decided it was the word of God? Much in it seems of its time and there is a huge amount of Apocrypha that humans not gods left out for political reasons. If dogma and doctrine and creed crowd out the transcendent ideals of love and caring for the poor and the children and the widowed and valuing love and family no matter the sexual identity of those doing the loving,how is that any different than any other political repression? But one should not argue religion without enough coffee lol, and perhaps one shouldn't argue it at all. Islam gave birth to terrorism, abuse of young girls by illegal immigrants in the UK, grooming gangs, because according to them the girls are heathen and subhuman, but it also gave birth to mystics and Sufism.
A Garden Among the Flames
O Marvel,
a garden among the flames!
My heart can take on
any form:
a meadow for gazelles,
a cloister for monks,
For the idols, sacred ground,
Ka’ba for the circling pilgrim,
the tables of the Torah,
the scrolls of the Qur’ān.
I profess the religion of love;
wherever its caravan turns along the way,
that is the belief,
the faith I keep.
From Poem 11 of the Tarjuman al-ashwaq, translation by Michael A. Sells
Ibn 'al Arabi
"There are 33,000 different Christian sects."
But there were only a few before 1517.
and before 1204 there were none! And as to who decided what books are in the Bible, that is the Fathers of the Synods in 363, 393, 397.
As I’ve mentioned before it’s time to unhitch the wagon and let the horse run right over the canyon cliff!
LG. Yup, just that. B? Who cares ! Q? Whatever.... T? Well already know where thats headed....and PLUS-DoublePlus? Who Cares MK2, the ignore version.
Hope that helps. Y’all go ahead and enjoy your intimacies without whipping it out and waggling it in everyone’s face.
indeed. Just like it was before it all became a farce. These people cannot help being as they are, but at least they keep it all in their own homes, where it belongs. Imagine if all straight people behaved like that in the streets. We keep ourselves to ourselves too, and those that are doing more than hold a hand as a couple, are being looked upon as well.
Thank you.
Romans 1:26-28
This is why God delivered them over to degrading passions. For even their females exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
The males in the same way also left natural relations with females and were inflamed in their lust for one another. Males committed shameless acts with males and received in their own persons the penalty of their error.
And because they did not think it worthwhile to acknowledge God, God delivered them over to a worthless mind to do what is morally wrong.
My hairdresser for 42 years is gay. I had to suffer through hearing his gay escapades for years, just to get a decent haircut (He really was the best!). I dreaded going to see him, but I was hooked on his hair talent. Well, he freaked out over Covid and I haven’t seen him in over three years now. I do not miss the gay stories, but I do miss my great hair. Sigh...
I hope you are kidding. My uncle was gay and he never stuck his sexuality in anyone's face. I really did not know as a child and he was one of the most wonderful people in my life.
Well it starts off innocently. Many of us know nice gay people.
Then it moves to 'well, we have to change the tradition of marriage to allow gay marriage.'
Then we have to support trans.
Now they are moving to kids.
Where's your line in the sand?
Re: Where to draw lines? We have a profound teaching to follow: Jesus silently stooped down and began tracing His finger in the sand. The Pharisees and teachers kept on questioning Him until He finally stood and said, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her” (John 8:7). ...and then to the woman: "...neither do I condemn you."
My mom had 4 brothers and the only one who took care of us and helped us was gay he was the best of all . And we know the difference between gay and transgender. Not the same.
Right? This seems so unfair to some of the kindest people in our lives, who just happened to be gay.
Which decent homos and lesbians are you referring to???
Bacon~~!!!! That's so much better use of those letters. Good call! I might change the T for tostadas but that's just me.
Q as in BBQ!
If you season your tequila-lime bacon tacos with gunpowder like the good ole days, you can have it all!
Or guacamole
Heard a comedian say it this way
Lettuce, Guac, Bacon, Tomato, Quarter-Pounder + Fries
I lol'd very hard at that line.
Anybody remember the old Prego commercial? "its in there"
me too. well licorice
An acceptable substitute.
(Jaxen Report) Largest study to date confirms overlap between autism and gender diversity - https://tinyurl.com/3es8drpx
Your LGBTQ is a real PLUS!
sign me up!!
Also not for kids, but I can back those letters!
you forgot to include the +
That is the best! I'm pro all those items, too! 😂🤣
👏👏🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That needs to be on a Tshirt.
Bacon Squared !