My son started a Cal State University last September, they have a meningitis vax requirement. We simply filled out the religious exemption form that a long-standing Board of Regents order requires schools to accept. It was not intrusive but simply requires students to affirm that they have a religious or philosophical objection to vaccin…
My son started a Cal State University last September, they have a meningitis vax requirement. We simply filled out the religious exemption form that a long-standing Board of Regents order requires schools to accept. It was not intrusive but simply requires students to affirm that they have a religious or philosophical objection to vaccines. It was approved no questions asked.
The school didn't make the form easy to find and did the old trick saying all students were "required" to get vaxxed without elaborating on exemptions. But they are there if you hunt for them.
Not being judgmental but curious why you take your kids to pediatrician for a "wellness check" when there's nothing wrong with them. Between vaxxing them up, trying to separate you from your child to talk about sexual deviancy, and asking you intrusive questions like "do you have a gun in the house" there is zero reason to do so. Remember a simpler time when we only went to the doctor when we were actually sick?
Our private school says the wellness visit is required by the state. A certain form must be completed at the visit. I researched this “law” and from what I can tell it is an effort to check kids for abuse. They have good intentions perhaps, but it is extremely invasive, the doctor inspects every square inch of my child looking for signs of abuse, completely unacceptable if you ask me and I’m about to forge the form next year.
I don't know about your state but most laws like this have an exemption provision to fend off legal challenges (though it's usually hidden or not disclosed). That way the requirement becomes technically voluntary. You have to find the actual law passed by the legislature and read the language in detail. Press releases and summaries put out by Public Health departments *never* state this and are intended to mislead you.
California has a requirement that all kids starting elementary school must have a dental exam (it was pushed by the Dentist's lobby). Although we had taken our kids to the dentist, we submitted the exemption because screw these people. Accepted with no questions asked.
And the school nurses will never mention exemptions. I'm wondering how to get the word out to parents of young children since the medical providers are hiding the very existence of exemptions from families.
This is where attorneys could really help, by reading the language and explaining it in layman’s terms so citizens would be armed with arguments and be able to opt out. They could post in a place that would be easy to find and accessible.
Yup, some orgs like the National Vaccine Information Center have done this for vax laws, but I've never seen it for something like this.
One thing we have to our advantage is knowing the exemption provision is almost always there. Laws are written by lawyers, and lawyers are cautious, detail-oriented people (unlike Public Health press hacks). Knowing it's there makes it pop out when you find it in the law text.
There is something wrong. She has chronic conditions. These are most likely from childhood vaccinations. Functional doc suggested I get any blood work done through doctors so insurance will pay.
So sorry Kim, she is in our prayers. We are in the same boat with our older son and thankfully a GFCF diet and protein supplements have made a huge difference for him. Stand your ground mom, you are doing the right thing on the vax (but you know that). I'm sure you can get an exemption for college. Even here in California (which doesn't have a childhood vax religious exemption) they have them for college. The National Vaccine Information Center is a great resource if you need help. God bless.
Thank you, Jeff. I have extreme guilt about ever having vaccinated her. But I did not know then what I know now. She is on a gluten free, low fodmap diet. And supplements. It’s helping but always a struggle.
I know it's difficult for moms. Years after my son's issues started my wife told me the same thing, the guilt. Men and women are so different, it had never even entered my mind. I was angry that we had been manipulated into doing it but never felt guilty. Once my wife told me I was shocked, I had no idea what she was going through.
You were deliberately manipulated by a very sophisticated campaign that toyed with your emotions. They told you that you would be a bad mom if you didn't give your child the shots. (This is why I think it hits moms so much harder, they don't say this to dads.) They used your God-given maternal instinct against you in a despicable fashion. It was a cynical and evil, and done just so they could make money.
I know it's easy to say but you have nothing to be guilty about. You were doing what you thought was in your child's best interests and were betrayed by people that you trusted. Betrayed by people who's very job it is to help you protect your child. That's not your fault. About the only thing that comes close is a child being abused by a religious figure that claims to follow Christ. It's that bad.
Lay that guilt at the feet of Jesus. He knows what kind of mom you are and how much you love your kids, He will break those chains of guilt. And know that everyone here is pulling for you and that you'll use that righteous anger to never let anyone ever again hurt your child. I know it sounds trite, but God does use the trials to transform us even though we can't possibly understand how in the moment. God bless and prayers up.
yes also 71.- my dad was a pediatrician who did house calls and traded with the local farmers for bags of Potatoes, tomatoes etc.
he talked a lot about preventive medicine which I think, knowing him, was about avoiding sugar and candy and eating more whole foods, not prepared ones and no chemicals added.. and less tv, more exercise, drinking water, instead of soda, etc.
Doc Gamm tended to my dad when he got chewed up by a chain saw, delivered all 6 of us kids and stitched up our family as needed. Small village in MN. Nobody had a choice, really. Thank God, he was a good Doc.
That's my question. Like ... someone takes their kid with nothing wrong with them to a doctor so that the doctor can say that there is nothing wrong with them.
Does any of that make any sense. Is that or is that not a usurpation of all parental authority? And the adult goes along with it like some knee jerk cast in cement consent.
I cop to fear on going along with the program. The court system was part of that. That, and at the time, late 20c in the immediate wake of the 1986 Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, I didn't know any better. If I knew then what I know now, the court system would still loom. I take your point, truly, but from the outside not every parent's choice can account for the subject circumstance. Just presenting another point of view. No intention to instigate anything heated.
In my case, there IS something wrong with my daughter. The functional doctor recommended I take her for blood work purposes. She is chronically ill and needs checks. Sometimes things are not cut and dry when your kid is ill. Otherwise, she would not be going to the doctor.
No one is saying never take your child to a doctor. If there are symptoms of a problem then absolutely one should get their child checked out.
What we are saying is that "well baby checks" are an excuse to get your child into the office to shoot them up with vaccines. That's the point. And most pediatricians are the worst pharma pushers of them all as they get paid large bonuses for hitting vaccination targets. The child is a revenue stream for them, they aren't unpaid missionaries helping poor starving kids.
It's fascinating that people think a single case of a pediatrician doing good somehow invalidates the the obvious corruption of the well baby visit premise. Hopefully this doesn't come across as overly harsh but this is shallow thinking. It's the same logic used to validate the entire vaccine program, if it saves just one life then the whole thing is worth it. No that's not true. We have to assess not just the possible consequence (your child might die!!) but also the likelihood. That's how one assesses risk and determining the prudent action, not just based on fear-mongering.
Pushing on this a bit further, did the pediatrician fix the child's vision problems by catching it early? Does the child have 20/20 vision now? Of course not. At best the pediatrician got the child wearing glasses earlier than she might have otherwise. That's all well and good but hardly a medical miracle. The parents, you, or a teacher would have noticed it soon enough without the well baby visit.
It's stories like yours that have been used to guilt well-meaning parents into regular office visits otherwise they get tarred as "bad parents". I don't mean this toward you as I know that's not your intention. But this is exactly what the medical industry does and it is their intention.
My son started a Cal State University last September, they have a meningitis vax requirement. We simply filled out the religious exemption form that a long-standing Board of Regents order requires schools to accept. It was not intrusive but simply requires students to affirm that they have a religious or philosophical objection to vaccines. It was approved no questions asked.
The school didn't make the form easy to find and did the old trick saying all students were "required" to get vaxxed without elaborating on exemptions. But they are there if you hunt for them.
Not being judgmental but curious why you take your kids to pediatrician for a "wellness check" when there's nothing wrong with them. Between vaxxing them up, trying to separate you from your child to talk about sexual deviancy, and asking you intrusive questions like "do you have a gun in the house" there is zero reason to do so. Remember a simpler time when we only went to the doctor when we were actually sick?
Our private school says the wellness visit is required by the state. A certain form must be completed at the visit. I researched this “law” and from what I can tell it is an effort to check kids for abuse. They have good intentions perhaps, but it is extremely invasive, the doctor inspects every square inch of my child looking for signs of abuse, completely unacceptable if you ask me and I’m about to forge the form next year.
I don't know about your state but most laws like this have an exemption provision to fend off legal challenges (though it's usually hidden or not disclosed). That way the requirement becomes technically voluntary. You have to find the actual law passed by the legislature and read the language in detail. Press releases and summaries put out by Public Health departments *never* state this and are intended to mislead you.
California has a requirement that all kids starting elementary school must have a dental exam (it was pushed by the Dentist's lobby). Although we had taken our kids to the dentist, we submitted the exemption because screw these people. Accepted with no questions asked.
And the school nurses will never mention exemptions. I'm wondering how to get the word out to parents of young children since the medical providers are hiding the very existence of exemptions from families.
would be great if in the KNOW parents would spread this awareness!
You tell two friends, and they tell two friends, and they tell two friends. Worked well in those glorious pre-internet days.
This is where attorneys could really help, by reading the language and explaining it in layman’s terms so citizens would be armed with arguments and be able to opt out. They could post in a place that would be easy to find and accessible.
Yup, some orgs like the National Vaccine Information Center have done this for vax laws, but I've never seen it for something like this.
One thing we have to our advantage is knowing the exemption provision is almost always there. Laws are written by lawyers, and lawyers are cautious, detail-oriented people (unlike Public Health press hacks). Knowing it's there makes it pop out when you find it in the law text.
I’m in Texas. I already found the exemption form for her college and am ready to request a religious exemption.
There is something wrong. She has chronic conditions. These are most likely from childhood vaccinations. Functional doc suggested I get any blood work done through doctors so insurance will pay.
So sorry Kim, she is in our prayers. We are in the same boat with our older son and thankfully a GFCF diet and protein supplements have made a huge difference for him. Stand your ground mom, you are doing the right thing on the vax (but you know that). I'm sure you can get an exemption for college. Even here in California (which doesn't have a childhood vax religious exemption) they have them for college. The National Vaccine Information Center is a great resource if you need help. God bless.
Thank you, Jeff. I have extreme guilt about ever having vaccinated her. But I did not know then what I know now. She is on a gluten free, low fodmap diet. And supplements. It’s helping but always a struggle.
I know it's difficult for moms. Years after my son's issues started my wife told me the same thing, the guilt. Men and women are so different, it had never even entered my mind. I was angry that we had been manipulated into doing it but never felt guilty. Once my wife told me I was shocked, I had no idea what she was going through.
You were deliberately manipulated by a very sophisticated campaign that toyed with your emotions. They told you that you would be a bad mom if you didn't give your child the shots. (This is why I think it hits moms so much harder, they don't say this to dads.) They used your God-given maternal instinct against you in a despicable fashion. It was a cynical and evil, and done just so they could make money.
I know it's easy to say but you have nothing to be guilty about. You were doing what you thought was in your child's best interests and were betrayed by people that you trusted. Betrayed by people who's very job it is to help you protect your child. That's not your fault. About the only thing that comes close is a child being abused by a religious figure that claims to follow Christ. It's that bad.
Lay that guilt at the feet of Jesus. He knows what kind of mom you are and how much you love your kids, He will break those chains of guilt. And know that everyone here is pulling for you and that you'll use that righteous anger to never let anyone ever again hurt your child. I know it sounds trite, but God does use the trials to transform us even though we can't possibly understand how in the moment. God bless and prayers up.
Thank you ❤️ God has been working on me on laying things down. So this is a timely word.
So perceptive and so very well-stated, Jeff C.
Did we even have pediatricians back then (i'm 71).? I only recall seeing the same Dr my parents' did.
yes also 71.- my dad was a pediatrician who did house calls and traded with the local farmers for bags of Potatoes, tomatoes etc.
he talked a lot about preventive medicine which I think, knowing him, was about avoiding sugar and candy and eating more whole foods, not prepared ones and no chemicals added.. and less tv, more exercise, drinking water, instead of soda, etc.
Doc Gamm tended to my dad when he got chewed up by a chain saw, delivered all 6 of us kids and stitched up our family as needed. Small village in MN. Nobody had a choice, really. Thank God, he was a good Doc.
Yes! I never went because I would never complain and would try to hide any illness from my mom so I wouldn't have to go!
My Medicare doctor’s office called for my annual wellness check up. I told them I was fine and thanks for calling and hung up!!
Or, "Yes I'm well. Thanks for checking up." ->hang up. Keeping that one in my hip pocket.😉
That's my question. Like ... someone takes their kid with nothing wrong with them to a doctor so that the doctor can say that there is nothing wrong with them.
Does any of that make any sense. Is that or is that not a usurpation of all parental authority? And the adult goes along with it like some knee jerk cast in cement consent.
I cop to fear on going along with the program. The court system was part of that. That, and at the time, late 20c in the immediate wake of the 1986 Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, I didn't know any better. If I knew then what I know now, the court system would still loom. I take your point, truly, but from the outside not every parent's choice can account for the subject circumstance. Just presenting another point of view. No intention to instigate anything heated.
In my case, there IS something wrong with my daughter. The functional doctor recommended I take her for blood work purposes. She is chronically ill and needs checks. Sometimes things are not cut and dry when your kid is ill. Otherwise, she would not be going to the doctor.
My granddaughter could not see well. The pediatrician helped us find that out when she was only 2.
No one is saying never take your child to a doctor. If there are symptoms of a problem then absolutely one should get their child checked out.
What we are saying is that "well baby checks" are an excuse to get your child into the office to shoot them up with vaccines. That's the point. And most pediatricians are the worst pharma pushers of them all as they get paid large bonuses for hitting vaccination targets. The child is a revenue stream for them, they aren't unpaid missionaries helping poor starving kids.
It's fascinating that people think a single case of a pediatrician doing good somehow invalidates the the obvious corruption of the well baby visit premise. Hopefully this doesn't come across as overly harsh but this is shallow thinking. It's the same logic used to validate the entire vaccine program, if it saves just one life then the whole thing is worth it. No that's not true. We have to assess not just the possible consequence (your child might die!!) but also the likelihood. That's how one assesses risk and determining the prudent action, not just based on fear-mongering.
Pushing on this a bit further, did the pediatrician fix the child's vision problems by catching it early? Does the child have 20/20 vision now? Of course not. At best the pediatrician got the child wearing glasses earlier than she might have otherwise. That's all well and good but hardly a medical miracle. The parents, you, or a teacher would have noticed it soon enough without the well baby visit.
It's stories like yours that have been used to guilt well-meaning parents into regular office visits otherwise they get tarred as "bad parents". I don't mean this toward you as I know that's not your intention. But this is exactly what the medical industry does and it is their intention.
I go to my PCP so infrequently, the last time in 2019, his first comment was “Long time no see!”
I needed to find out if I needed surgery on my shoulder. Otherwise I wouldn’t have been in at all.