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M. Dowrick's avatar

What exactly is the difference between Russia, China and the USA, if we are under military rule? I do not see a difference.

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RunningLogic's avatar

We still have guns?

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Politico Phil's avatar

Just my humble observations.......

Russia: a post-"Marxist tyranny" and of all western cultures, probably one of the most sincerely Christian. As a society, they are now in a "young" phase and having finally been freed of the Bolshevik tyranny, are looking for a better way.

China: a straight up dictatorship of thugs. They aren't even Communist anymore except as salad dressing. For them the clock is ticking on a reckoning.

USA: Most difficult for me to see because I live here. An Apex Empire trying to figure out exactly how it is going to collapse as the empire has reached that point where it can no longer be sustained. Will it fizzle out like the British Commonwealth Empire or implode like the Soviet Empire or go up in flames like the Roman Empire? As a society, America is a post-Christian, post-liberty affirming society whose culture is going through an identity crisis which may take an entire generation to figure out.

The society is in the process of becoming dictatorial based on Marxist ideology and dialectic. Like parasites, once entrenched, Marxists do not let go. But there several unique characteristics of America that defy historical comparison. 1) America has a large population that is heavily armed and this population still has a deeply inherited grain of independence. Never has Marxism attempted to subjugate a population as heavily armed as are Americans. 2) A corollary is the fact that the American people are spread out over an entire continent. 3) A third corollary is the fact that political power is spread out over many separate jurisdictions creating a kind of anti-tyranny political immune system. This is also unique in modern history. (OT Israel prior to King David is also an example though not modern.) Right now, the body politic is running a dangerously high fever and the outcome is uncertain.

If you were a Martian trying to figure out which society would be best to set up residence in, which would you pick?

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daverkb's avatar

One one level ... no difference.

But there are shades of difference ... very different colorations. China and the USA are pretty close as to total surveillance and Mao-ist social control mechanisms (social scoring, DEI-like divisions and so on). In the USA, one can still dissent ... much more so than in China. Both are totalitarian regimes. Roll back in the US seems possible, likely and even necessary for maintenance of political control, and we will know much more by the end of 2024. There is widespread unspoken discontent in China at totalitarian CCP control, and the CCP will have to either change or someday disappear. And China's behavior during C19 did not help matters. Also, both China and the USA have a huge debt problem. Both China and the USA have severely misallocated capital. The main difference is that China has spare capacity to fall back on, like what the US once had ahead of the Great Depression. How this all plays out remains to be seen. I don't begin to dare to make predictions, but I am aware of the differences in various capacities, including industrial.

Also, the US says it 8,000 tons of gold. China says it has around 2,300 tons, but there are estimates that the real figure is closer to 30,000 to as high as 45,000 tons off balance sheet. I've heard this from people who have spent their lifetime in precious metals trading. The US gold has not been audited for decades and so if is it really there is not is largely indeterminate. And if it is there, has it been hypothecated, lent out ... other claims on it? Russia also is believed to have much more gold tonage than the around 2,300 to 3,000 tons estimated. Who knows for sure, but this may well be an important item going forward.

The best run economy of the three and of the world is Russia with minimal debt load, large gold reserves and a stable well managed currency ... and also with the world largest commodities resource base. Dissent is tolerated within limits. Wild eyed Woke is not tolerated at all. And although pinning things down precisely is not possible, the regime operates by consensus and is more authoritarian than totalitarian. The social and moral cement is the Russian Orthodox Church and respect for Rodina, the Motherland and its rich history. Westerners who travel to, live in Russia report that they are in no hurray to leave and quite a few work to get Russian citizenship. Big cities in Russia are clean, safe and low to no crime. It kind of reminds me of mid-20th century USA but more modern ... at least in the new city Moscow. Of the three, Russia is a more 'normal' a society ... more like what we had here in the 1950's before all began to go to hell after the Kennedy assassination.

I use the Yandex browser as one of my browsers. I sometimes use the Yandex search engine and it's an eye-opener. Maybe no place is totally ideal, but Russian Internet is pretty well-developed. And still, many Russians use the American Internet all the time. I watch Russian films. I read the comments and there a lot of comments in Russian.

One thing about Russia. It's not the same as under the Soviets. Nor is it the living hell of the 1990's or so post the Soviet collapse. And remarkably different today. Living in Russia today, one does not worry about bare food shelves or the energy grid being turned off in the middle of winter and freezing to death. Society is stable.

We in America are far more risk from destabilization that Russia. Russia has already paid the price and does not want to go back to all of that. Hopefully what I call the Pivot will keep on humming along and we will be spared the worst. But I don't count on it. I just cannot discount a financial collapse, even worst than 1929. I wish I could. But I can't.

Okay! Not a perfect answer. But it comes with large does of truth. And yes, no one has a crystal ball.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Dave, I am appreciative of you comments today. I love the way you have of putting things in context. You have connected the dots quite well in regard to Milei, Trump and the Apex Elite in this comment and the one you posted above. When I previously saw some of your comments about the Apex Elite, you opened my eyes and I began to notice these things myself. I believe your observation about the Apex Elite pivoting because they are scared out of their wits has a lot of evidence. They don't control the BRICS and that appears to be a surprise challenge threatening to topple their banking system that arose in response to their actions - one of the factors anyway. The objective of imposing trans-humanism on the entire human race via the bio-weapon psyops failed. They were only able to capture parts of Europe, AUS, NZ, Japan, Canada and the US. But the US is in doubt and without the US, their entire plan fails. They have to consolidate their control of the US or they lose it all. It won't work without us. I have already commented on the challenges the US poses to them.

In the end, I always come back to the observation that once the fraud is no longer believed by the American people then all they are left with is bare force, which is to say violence. We may be at a turning point or a watershed. But no crystal ball here.

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daverkb's avatar

When I used to trade, and every once and awhile ... I had the sense of The Elephant entering the room. One could not 'see it' optically other than in price movements. In this way I developed a sensitivity to the movement of 'forces'. This is sort of how I see the Apex Elite and/or Apex Money elite, look for vectors which persist in time by coherent patterns seen as validated by the procession of events.

I now think that the Apex Power Center (Apex Money, etc.) saw all of this out of control stuff coming years ago, and I think that alternative preparation for a rainy day were in the works for a very long time coming. I think that these people at the very top are not infallible, and

even sometimes get things in near time very wrong. Longer term, these people can be very wrong-footed ... and yet since their 'fleece the people' model worked so well, they just kept it going. I think the money part was broken by the 1990's and maybe some were horrified (for example) at the Long Term Capital Management failure, etc. ... and yet the supertankers goes on for a long time, even with the engines cut. What I am suggesting with this paragraph is that mentally, one has to have very long time/history horizons order to figure a lot of this stuff out. And even then it dang hard to nigh impossible at times so see things. Sometimes is like being in a car driving along, and then all of sudden a white rain downpour comes along, and one can barely see five feet of road in front of the car. And things are so hairy that one doesn't even dare risk taking a peek in the rear view mirror.

I sure don't have everything figured out to a tee ... and far from it. And maybe this is the beginning of wisdom ... caution (and in addition to fear of God). BUT as to how thinks work, I have to believe they are 'all in on it' only when it suits them to be. As far as BRICS Plus goes. I think its real simple. They are not all in on it from the BRICS point of view simply because nobody like to be beat up ... and especially, nobody like being beaten up all the time. Simply said, the Collective West went too far and is paying the freight now. I do know that the Fed said don't weaponize SWIFT ... and the Child Idiot Prodigies on the Potomac went ahead and did it anyway. That was the last straw. And I think 'they' at the top saw the possibility coming ... and long ago. But after weaponizing SWIFT (and everything else, now the die is cast ... and we are now hearing unmistakable voices like Tucker Carlson all of a sudden getting high profile attention. And in ways never heard before ... and I don't believe that this is just happenstance, a happy turn of the roulette wheel. And I'll stop here. It is obvious to me that the loose cannons on the deck of the ship of state have to be secured, tied down. And that is a process which we seem to be seeing now. Given this, let's see how this Ukraine funding thing works out. And more clues here to come.

I think you hit it right. 'They' have to consolidate in order to maintain control. Their highest aim (once again) is to preserve the multi-generational transfer of wealth. Yes, things do change, morph over time. But the thing that does not change is the need to transfer wealth over generations. Do that, do whatever it takes to do that, then wealth and power is preserved through control. (Can the Apex of the Pyramid pull it off. Maybe. Maybe the deck is stacked enough that they can. They surely will try ... and after that, time tells.)

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Politico Phil's avatar

Interesting. You seem to have the same view I do that the illegitimate regime in DC is out of control and a threat to the apex power structure if for no other reason than the fact that their monetary policies of printing unimaginable quantities of dollars is threatening to topple the entire western world dollar based banking system. This can't be allowed to continue. On top of that, their Marxist dialectic is fracturing the cultural consensus of the American people to the point that will eventually cause social chaos. On this point, I am beginning to view Trump as the focal point for terminating their cultural and financial insanity. This makes me consider that perhaps Trump is the apex elite's point man for effecting this pivot. (I am appalled at the gullibility of the US intellectual elites adoption of Modern Monetary Theory. Seems Marxism always has it's intellectual fools.) So the Apex elite repackage their control as MAGA and the American public buys off on it. The caveat, of course, is that the Marxists in DC will not go willingly now that they think they have taken total control. Their hubristic arrogance will accept no restraint. And arrogance always makes one stupid.

This is no criticism of Trump. Your observations on his personality and history are spot on and admirable. I picture Trump's first term as POTUS as a rodeo bull rider drawing the baddest bull of the lot without a bit in the bull's mouth. (And conservatives criticize Trump for not being able to control the beast.) IF he gets a second term, I picture him as matador trying his best to slay the bull without himself getting gored. The one thing I am sure of is that the Marxists sociopaths in DC are very much afraid of the razor steel of Trump's blade should he come back into power. Their fear is nearly palatable. This again brings me to what I view as the most concerning aspect of their malevolent arrogance: the opening of America's border to a massive invasion which they are using as a means of recruiting a lethal force of men for the purpose of organizing an extra-Constitutional army whose only allegiance will be to the cabal that pays them. I have reason to believe that the regime has set up several secret bases in remote locations in the interior of the US for the purpose of training a two-million-plus man army made up of these undocumented military age men. The most concerning aspect of this recruitment are the segregated groups of military age Chinese nationals who are coming into the US. These groups of Chinese men are kept segregated even in the transport phase of the migration beginning at the Darien Gap in Panama. The potential here is obvious.

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daverkb's avatar

The first big mistake in political analysis is reductionism. That is, one must recognize and take account that the domino pieces in the Grand Game are not black pieces with tiny dots on them. They more often are mottled pieces with many different colored dots. And the pieces don't just lie flat on the Grand Playing Table. They are placed together every which way, sometimes baffling and making no sense. Another Big Mistake is to believe that the Apex Elite super smart, perfect in control, all seeing beings (even though they are pretty darn smart and/or clever and plan over protracted time). And the third big mistake is to think one ever can get this all straight, nice and neat, orderly mind-fashion.

Trump is very, very complex ... not all bad, not all good. Not a super-hero or whatever folks like to make out to be, and very often do with absolute certitude in their own minds. This said, it sure does look like DJT is the Save Your Skin Apex Banker political key piece. MAGA is the Low End Sell. Milei at Davos is the High End Sell.

If you look at Central Banks and Fantasy Money, it is Scripturally speaking anathema because it violates in some way or another ... ALL of the Ten Commandments. Most people don't look at this directly as being the problem ... and that gives birth to endless mental confusion. It is very simple. Violation of the Law, in particular violation of God's Law, foments chaos and destruction ... and a destroying of worlds (like Western Civilization). This should be as plain as the nose on a face, but lamentably is not.

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Politico Phil's avatar

I concur, especially on your last point. I look at all of this and I conclude they are engaging in political cannibalism and cultural suicide. I understand how low IQ believers in Marxism, like the Biden Administration, believe in Marxism but I don't understand how the apex elite do not understand the reality of the outcomes. EXCEPT, it appears that these elite families are practitioners of Satanism. So... I can't really expect them to act rationally.

Anyway, this was an enlightening conversation. The only other scenario I can think of, and this is just my imagination and not even original with me, is that they may want to replace Trump with someone like Gen. Petraeus. I think he would check all the NeoCon boxes and still be marketable to the average voter, Dem and Rep. The only question would be is he capable of making enough changes to support the pivot....prolly not.

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daverkb's avatar

Phil ... it is all a Grand Guessing Game. But then again, some guesses are better than other guesses since some guesses are more reliant upon recorded histories (as opposed to histories which are really little more than disguised Narratives ... like Shirer's Third Reich book).

What something is in the World of Deception is sometimes better defined by what it is not. For example, Central Banking based upon Fantasy Money is anti-Christ simply because Fantasy Money Banking is based in fraudulent assertion which violates every single one of the Ten Commandments. That is, if Central Bankers were Christians then it would be an impossibility for such to be dealers in fraudulent fiat. It is more likely that they, the fraction of one percent, are the spawn of Satan because what is not of Light is Darkness.

I cannot even speculate on Gen. Petraeus except that he may have been a good Game Player, and yet my opinion remains 'not too bright' and 'under-educated' which reinforces 'not too bright'. DJT is a thousand times brighter, comes with measure and practical sense and is a proven team player. From the Apex Banking world of self-interest, DJT is the perfect Pivot figure. And this considers, this is said in remembering that Pivot does not mean what the word 'pivot' might suggest to most people. Pivot simply means walking things back from a now broken super-narrative to a new super-narrative that gets the old job done in a new way using a new context. The Pivot is not a binary world of reversal of evil to good. The Pivot is a new multi-generational functionality which serves the interests of the very, very few of the Apex crowd ... and yet once again fooling the many. And yes, some elements of The Pivot may be even wholesome, even more normalizing. Evil always comes cloaked, and with a hook for the unsuspecting to bit down upon. The main vector force of the Pivot is financial and economic, but it spills over into everything else, and with complexity.

Given that DJT is super-marketable, it is unlikely that the Apex Money would go with an inferior 'brand'. What is needed is a 'fair election' ... fair enough to do the trick. And please do remember that the Pivot has nothing to do with Calvinist world view presupposition. The Pivot is nothing more than a Shinier Darkness to replace the old worn out version of Darkness, and with a few bones thrown out to assuage the now enraged masses.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Understand and completely agree. I have pretty much come to the same outlook. "From the Apex Banking world of self-interest, DJT is the perfect Pivot figure." They want to walk things back enough to avoid collapse and re-package the narrative. So as you say, they'll give us a "fair election" as now everyone recognizes the Democratic steal of 2020. But the game of deception that the American voter has a "choice" continues. I learned this 50 years ago when I read "The Irony of Democracy" by Dye which seemed to be an introductory course in political reality for the elite entering college. Of course, I welcome any retreat from the edge of the abyss that America seems to be teetering on even though the game has not changed.

But who knows? We may go over the edge anyway. God is long-suffering but at some point we reap what we sow and His judgement becomes progressively severe. Even the apex elite have an expiration date but I think that timeline is so long it is beyond my reckoning. If the past civilization cycles of 500 years are indicators of anything, it is that we are now at the terminal phase of the 500 year cycle that began with the Enlightenment. (But what about all the un-recorded history of humanity that occurred prior to 70 AD - thousands of years untold? There are titillating hints in the OT. ) The Soviet Empire was the culmination of the Left wing of Enlightenment thought and the American Empire is the culmination of the Right wing of the Enlightenment. When the USSR imploded, that told me that the days of the Am Empire were numbered. So far - seems accurate though such a simplistic model can't do justice to reality. Still we are approaching a REAL edge that has to be left to God's providence. Seems a shame I won't live long enough to see it.

As an aside, I'm wondering if the Democratic Party is going to be able to survive a complete loss of legitimacy in the eyes of the public. They have done so much damage to their Brand that I fairly expect the Dem Party to disappear after this all works out. Of course, we now have 22 million brand new voters to factor into the equation. What a calculus!

Good talk. More surprises to come.....

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daverkb's avatar

1) As to 'we go over the edge any way', one might on solid ground think this quite possibly being so. I tend to think you are right, but then again I have in the past underestimated the ability of the Cretins to adapt. But we shall see.

2) Recently I have considered that part of the plan may be to consolidate around the Americas, plus keep Europe and Down Under in the orbit. But I think that there are all kinds of cracks in this kind of thinking. For example, Brazil is already BRICS. And what of Venezuela? Which way does Venezuela go? And so on. Countries not only have the want to, but to large extent the ability to escape the clutches of the US hegemon like never before. Too much for me to figure out now. Nothing has been really consolidated in BRICS Plus yet. And the habits of business, and longstanding business relationships, should not be underestimated.

3) Russia was classical Communism. But America? Right now it is a hybrid of Communism, Fascism and Mao-ism. This is a slippery thing. For example, if all major property is held in trust with only a beneficial use (cars, real estate, bank and brokerage accounts), that sounds like Communism to me. And certainly the Public/Private Partnership is Fascism. And Identity Politics was almost invented by, and most definitely perfected by Mao. So what we have in America is a blending of all Marxist forms, and with nothing called by its right name (Word Sorcery once again).

4) This may be your Treat of the Day. It's short, but it's pretty neat history. I much enjoyed it.

https://www.rt.com/russia/592228-stalin-labor-camps-solzhenitsyn/

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