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RU's avatar

I have to admit to having fallen for the BS when I was younger, becoming liberal after starting out conservative. While I had moved on a good while ago, the last few years have seen the final unraveling of the remains of the propaganda. It's amazing how it is more a spiritual and psychological process than it is actual or real. These things - the ideas of the propagandists, the " political beliefs" - are just lenses the powers-that-be insert b/w us and reality. On "both sides." Psy-ops the whole way down.

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nancy knox-bierman's avatar

Ditto. I ran for Judge on the Geen Party ticket in 2016. That was about the time all the liberals I knew began to start behaving irrationally. My longtime hippie friends began just loving the establishment and by covid, were total devotees to the deep state while I found myself on the side of Christians and conservatives.

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WIMomof3's avatar

Being a liberal was different back then… boy have times changed and things flip flopped. I think your old school, anti gov, 60s hippies, would be rolling in their graves to see what today’s modern libs belief system is up to now.

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nancy knox-bierman's avatar

I'm 65 and the most pot-smoking, Grateful Dead loving 70 year olds I knew back in Tucson became some of the most boosted and still wear masks.

The Food Coop was the first place to yell at me and kick me out for not wearing one. Something changed, my friend and I think we are all unraveling it together-in forums like this. (Thanks, Jeff!)

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WilliamD's avatar

I had a really bad case of liberalism when I was younger, mainly because for many years I was very into the sex, drugs and rock and roll lifestyle. In 1980, I actually swore to my family that I would move to Canada if Reagan was elected. Fortunately, I was too high to even go out for groceries when it actually happened. Then, after being hospitalized yet again for chronic alcoholism in 2019, I had what one might call a "Religious Experience" and when I woke up I was a "Christian Conservative" and have only grown in conviction over the last four years. I guarantee that literally nobody could have seen that coming!

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Tom's avatar

God took the scales off my eyes around the same time! 2019-ish. It was a whole process.

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peggy bean's avatar

I'm a 76 year old pot-smoking grateful dead loving hippie who never wore a mask or took the jabs or believed the bs. Can't understand my radical hippie friends who did. I blame it on TDS.

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nancy knox-bierman's avatar

I do too! They spent 4 years driving them nuts with Trump/Russiagate garbage.

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Kim D's avatar

Yep, same in Santa Fe NM. I lost nearly all my friends to the psyop and finally said farewell to a place I loved for it's once peaceful wide open spaces and tranquility. I returned home to Florida, land of the free but also unrestrained growth. The trade off is Florida still adheres to the Constitution.

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nancy knox-bierman's avatar

Love NM!! Sadly, Santa Fe has always been much like Tucson. I moved to Texas myself and live here now.

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RU's avatar

In a way, it makes sense. You can't really be "left" or "liberal" without supporting collectivism and therefore big government. For most of their lives, they were able to convince themselves that "the government" was "the man" and "the man" was conservative. Seems to me that was an inversion of reality. Still very odd to see it all happening, all at once in just a few years. Like the poles of the magnet have flipped and agreed-upon reality is no longer what it was.

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Michael Framson's avatar

Nancy, Mark Oshinskie has T-shirts which say, " I survived Coronamania, Unmasked, Unjabbed, Unafraid". I wonder what would happen if you walked into the Coop wearing that shirt? Would you be Rittenhoused?

https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/yet-another-t-shirt-update?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=441698&post_id=135974717&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

Michael.. I got one of those shirts !! The looks and the comments 😵‍💫😫

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Michael Framson's avatar

Are you collecting comments and looks in a diary and will publish a commentary? How long have you had one, and do you want to share a short story? I couldn't get my act together to order.

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

I told Mark there are 3 types of comments … absolute vitriol and hate and that “ to wear that your a Trumper and and idiot , science denier“ . The second are the folks that are a little jealous and upset with themselves that they took a jab or two and got sick, and “ wish they didn’t “. The third type are like “hell yeah , I’m with you 100%”.

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Michael Framson's avatar

Equal distribution? Brandon not your bro--what's great, you are getting the message out where the censorship-industrial-complex can't silence your non-compliance. I think more us should be doing it, but you already know that.

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

Michael F. Everyone can play a roll , we all have to do something, say something Stand up … I’m trying to think of a good line to say with these masks … it’s starting to increase again . 😩🤬

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ACroneintheWoods's avatar

Ask "How many fingers Winston?" And hold up your four fingers. It gets them every time. They really don't know what to do or think so it puts them on pause.

A few times I have only used my middle finger, but those were extreme cases. There was no confusion.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I personally think it’s mostly posturing, not conviction or principles. Just wanting to belong to what they considered the “cool club,” at that time, and now, too.

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LizardFro's avatar

As Andrew Tate said in that recent interview with Tucker - there are 2 types of people - “thinkers” and “repeaters”

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RU's avatar

Never thought I'd see the day the "liberals" were arguing against the 1st Amendment. Not that they didn't always have an authoritarian streak...but to ditch the cognitive dissonance entirely and fully embrace their inner fascist has been a revelation, of sorts.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

They’re still very much for it for their side. The non-hate speech, side doncha know….

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Willing Spirit's avatar

This sixties hippie is still above ground and not at all surprised because it was quite obvious it was just a virtue signaling hypocritical movement

from the get go. Give us unlimited sex and drugs and no consequences or responsibilities, you square, unenlightened rednecks, or we’ll sic the Weathermen and the Black Panthers on you!

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

They aren't dead...they just all moved to Eugene Oregon so they could have free masks

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