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Texas nurse's avatar

Jeff I love coffee and covid but I could have gone my whole life without seeing those images 😢 We are definitely under judgement from the Lord for our nations rampant sin and wickedness. It makes me think of 2 Peter 2:13-19. They count it pleasure to revel in the daytime. They have eyes full of adultery insatiable for sin. They entice unsteady souls. Forsaking the right way they have gone astray...

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Anne Clifton's avatar

I understand your feelings, but I think we must know who (what?) these people really are. These are the people who have chanted, "We're coming for your children." I co-teach tenth grade girls at my church. We were studying a passage which focused on opposition to the gospel. I mentioned the LGBTQ agenda and warned the girls not to allow anyone to put a wedge between them and their parents, as is happening in public schools. One girl admonished me, saying that we should not talk about that, but stick to the Bible. I thought about that all week and decided I had to address it the next Sunday. In my opinion, it was application of what the Bible teaches. We need to talk to parents and to students about this horrible, destructive agenda. I had a little pushback from the other teacher also. If I am not allowed to talk about this huge threat to the girls, I will just give up teaching. My niece taught art in a local middle school last year. The children, she said, were changing their gender identity from week to week. It's faddish, but it can become really dark since teachers are encouraging it, while seeking to keep secrets from parents. I'm thankful our state legislature (NC) recently passed a law prohibiting the secrecy.

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Sirka Sie's avatar

Please don’t stop teaching. Your bravery (because these days it requires courage to tell it like it is) is what could possibly save a life. I’m done keeping my mouth shut, I have NOTHING to lose. I started going to church and seeing families, all walks of life attend creating a most beautiful community is giving me hope….you are part of thatšŸ’•šŸ™

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Peter GL's avatar

A few years ago I spoke to my Sunday school class (high school grades) about the existence of the devil. The following Sunday a parent came up to me and told me "they do not believe in the devil, and I shouldn't teach about him". I told her that our church does NOT believe in the devil, but believes that he exists, and that if she felt I should stop she should have our priest tell me. Obviously that didn't happen. Never saw her again. Keep teaching what you know is correct and get the Church behind you

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Concerned mom's avatar

The bible speaks of the devil quite openly. Who tempted Jesus in the wilderness and offered Him the kingdoms of this earth if Jesus worshipped him (the devil) as recorded in Matthew 4??? Whom was Jesus calling Satan in Matthew 16:23??? In John 8:44 Jesus tells the religious leaders of his day "you are of your father the devil..." Keep speaking truth, it is scriptural, Jesus Himself spoke about the existence of the devil!!!

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Also need to keep with the doctrine of the church. If people disagree and din’t like it they can pick a different church.

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Peter GL's avatar

It's a free country isn't it? At least to anyone who wants to turn their back to Church

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Turfseer's avatar

YOU DIDN'T RECOGNIZE ME. A familiar figure is found to be behind the plandemic. Watch Turfseer’s music video. https://turfseer.substack.com/p/you-didnt-recognize-me

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Make them kick you out for speaking truth. I’m being censured by the Catholic site, Lifesite News, of all places. Facebook and Twitter got nothing on them. But, I’m just saying, ā€˜Lord, I must be getting better at this speaking the Truth thing. I didn’t last a whole afternoon.ā€™šŸ˜‚šŸ¤£šŸ˜‚šŸ¤£šŸ˜‚

Someone there apparently bought in on the ground floor to benefit from what looked like a sure thing with DeSantis. Now there are in full attack mode against President Trump. I said apparently they are siding with our Department of Injustice and bam! I was blocked.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

They’re! I corrected that 3 times! Stupid autocorrect.

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daverkb's avatar

Thank you ... for standing upright.

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Jennifer Beebe's avatar

Prayerful here too! šŸ™šŸ»šŸ™šŸ»šŸ™šŸ»šŸ™šŸ»

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AJF's avatar

Don't leave...stay and fight!

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David A's avatar

We all must fight as we can, both in how we live our own lives, and not be afraid to communicate to others. This comment on Jeffs post here, is one such effort, red pill a friend or family member on one or two critical issues, and the rest will follow.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/really-bad-optics-monday-june-26/comment/17766503

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Leo's avatar

Stay and love.

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ASK's avatar

I applaud you for speaking to your students about things they need to watch out for. They need that. I think a lot of adults try to hide things or not talk about them, when the kids are already aware. I made it a point to point out to my own kids when a I saw something they needed to know for their own safety or morality. It’s either you or someone else who may have nefarious goals.

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Anne Clifton's avatar

I heard someone say recently that many of our American churches are like a Hallmark card. To me, that means we promote a Pollyanna, sentimental faith which will not stand when persecution comes.

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daverkb's avatar

Never heard it said thus, but when I saw it said here ... bingo!

It is said that we are not saved by works, but then again ... it is also said that faith without works is dead. Churches who do not speak out against great Evil in plain sight, but instead waffle or plain out ignore and/or pretend things in our times are quite normal, these are not churches. They are indeed Hall Mark Card of religiosity. And as such, such need their 'money lender tables' of pretense overturned.

I went to one church in the Staunton which taught reformed faith (as in the various traditional Confessions of Faith), but made it crystal clear that they would do nothing more than talk it up within their four walls on Sunday and then go home. I went to another church in Harrisonburg, also in Virginia ... and I tried to get the minister to make an announcement as to several other churches in the area joining together to oppose a Gay Pride Event involving a parade (and they were successful in getting it quashed). Sunday came, and no announcement. Such as these are examples of the pretty pretend Hallmark World of alleged Christian churches. This is what we are up against. Christianity ... all hat and no cattle.

I don't get it. I can only suppose the dead churches of the West are cowardly. But it is more than this, the orthodox Christian theology of nearly 2,000 years has been chucked out the theological window by decades of Marxist Woke thought infiltration. But here is the rub, what earthly use is Christianity without a real world vigorous application (which gets us right back to 'faith' and 'works'. But no, R2K (Radical Two Kingdom theology) litters the landscape as does its close cousin of misapplication, Separation of Church and State. Vacating the field has left us only with, for example, a Supreme Court and such Wonders of Man as the Lawrence decision. Among others.

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Anne Clifton's avatar

Eric Metaxas has written a great book called Letter to the American Church. He compares our church to the church of Nazi Germany, turning our eyes away from what is happening and declaring that we won't get involved in politics, we'll just piously preach the gospel. He frequently speaks at churches. Here's a link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDiNu4WFd10

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daverkb's avatar

Excellent!

"Faith of our fathers, holy faith. We will be true to thou till death." And any other course, hedging, wavering is delusional because 'they' mean to kill us all ... maybe not all at once. Maybe a little at a time. But sooner or later they will push onwards to that magic population figure. And they won't mind killing a few Christians along the way.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Jesus said the day would come when people would not want the Truth. That’s so called followers of Him.

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daverkb's avatar

Willing Spirit,

Calvin said the below in his Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book First, Chapter 4. Apparently little has changed from the beginning of time. Maybe we should just call it Apple Madness. And they all have it, including covid murderers and transhuman murders. Calvin has a way of not mincing words ... plain spoken and straight up. The Wokies would be hard put to refute him. When I first read it, I was astonished. Not by what he said, but he said it in his time ... or could have said it in any age.

4. The wicked never willingly come into the presence of God. Hence their hypocrisy. Hence, too, their sense of Deity leads to no good result.
1. But though experience testifies that a seed of religion is divinely sown in all, scarcely one in a hundred is found who cherishes it in his heart, and not one in whom it grows to maturity so far is it from yielding fruit in its season. Moreover, while some lose themselves in superstitious observances, and others, of set purpose, wickedly revolt from God, the result is that, in regard to the true knowledge of him, all are so degenerate, that in no part of the world can genuine godliness be found. In saying that some fall away into superstition, I mean not to insinuate that their excessive absurdity frees them from guilt; for the blindness under which they labour is almost invariably accompanied with vain pride and stubbornness. Mingled vanity and pride appear in this, that when miserable men do seek after God, instead of ascending higher than themselves as they ought to do, they measure him by their own carnal stupidity, and, neglecting solid inquiry, fly off to indulge their curiosity in vain speculation. Hence, they do not conceive of him in the character in which he is manifested, but imagine him to be whatever their own rashness has devised. This abyss standing open, they cannot move one footstep without rushing headlong to destruction. With such an idea of God, nothing which they may attempt to offer in the way of worship or obedience can have any value in his sight, because it is not him they worship, but, instead of him, the dream and figment of their own heart. This corrupt procedure is admirably described by Paul, Rom 1:22

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Willing Spirit's avatar

daverkb,

I’m just a little country girl. I know Calvin is a great favorite of intellectuals. And I spent time in my spiritual journey in 3 different Presbyterian camps, but I just get a headache when I try to follow his reasoning. I’m sorry, I’ll have to leave his theology to you big brains.

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daverkb's avatar

Don't worry it. Regular schools, denominations have got us all screwed up. They got us thinking that we have to be super-smart about EVERYTHING when all that is required is to learn what you can, a little bit at a time. Education is not all or nothing. It is cumulative over time. For example, if you get just one new thing you did not know before, it's worth knowing that one thing. And you are a big winner.

As to Presbyterians, we are nominally Presbyterian and almost all the Presbyterians are off the rails today. We cannot even find a proper Reformed church locally. We instead have to Internet church.

Okay! Life is normally not all wrong or all right. But then again, it's what is missing, what is never seen, this is what does the most serious damage. The big secret is that most churches in the Collective West are either no longer Christian, or only onion skin thin nominally Christian. In effect, the churches have been secularized. And it is not obvious straight off that this is so because it is what is missing.

The first book that turned my head was the Institutes of Biblical Law by R. J. Rushdoony. I knew something was wrong with the churches but I could not put my finger on it. And many times, it is not what is in view that does the greater damage. It is what is kept out of sight, purposely hidden. The Elites do this all the time. That is why it was against the law once upon a time to own a Bible if you were not of the clergy, this during and before the Protestant Reformation. And if you were caught with one, you could be burned for it depending upon circumstance.

In any event, I appreciate hearing from you. And by the way, country girls are tip top.

I used to live in the country. Country girls, many of them, are very smart. And if you were not very, very smart ... I doubt you would be reading Coffee and Covid, one of the tip-top Substacks every.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Actually, I’m probably not nearly as smart as I think I am. I’ve just asked God to use me. And He really does know it all!

Thank you for throwing out a little love for us country girls…it’s not that easy to fit in and my stories are so far from the norm, I know people often think I’m lying. But I’m not!

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Politico Phil's avatar

Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life. He had a great following during his ministry yet in the end the elders and the people rejected the Truth. Likewise they now reject us.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Likewise rejected, and glorifying God for the privilege of suffering for Him and the opportunity to prove our devotion 🤩

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Dick's avatar

Same here, DaverKB. It was a request to simply announce to their churches the annual 40 days for Life prayer vigil in our town. We provided a bulletin insert too.

Nope. We have more churches in our town than fleas on a dog, but only 7 would mention abortion to their congregation, except a few mainline churches (term used loosely) who actively endorse it (under the guise of ā€œcompassionā€. )

Likewise when the 3 Christian schools in our town were given materials for the annual right to life youth contest. It was essays, artwork, videos and speeches. I had high hopes for the Classical And Christian School which has a robust emphasis on writing, public speaking, and the arts. Nope. Not a one.

Do you know why these self-professed Christian Pastors [sic] and Christian School top administrators just tossed the materials & ignored it? Ignored the fact that some families would love to participate? Never mind that they SHOULD be preaching the application of God’s Word and precepts — as they wear their religiosity on their shirtsleeves for the world to see. Well, that’s the key, isn’t it. The world. They said it’s too political, too controversial, etc, etc. It is Man’s opinion they’re concerned about, not Gods. They will be spat out.

God Bless those seven True Pastors.

God Bless the homeschooling families whose children happily drew, wrote and spoke passionately and beautifully — and some high-schoolers went on to present to the state and national organization!

Salt and light.

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daverkb's avatar

These 'ministers' are cuck cowards. They are unable to hitch 'love thy neighbor' to 'fear of God is the beginning of wisdom'.In aiding and abetting evil doers by their silence they themselves enter into Evil.

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Dick's avatar

That’s so true. They aid and abet the evil a thousand fold, entering into it with smug, arrogant assurance. Think what it would be like if they spoke God’s truth instead of maintaining their silence. They are worse than hypocrites.

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Politico Phil's avatar

There is Someone sitting on His throne Who concurs with you.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Dick, I think you meant to reply to daverkb but nevertheless I fully concur.

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Politico Phil's avatar

"Separation of Church and State" is the wedge that was driven into our society almost from the beginning in spite of the fact that this was a heretical concept to the founding fathers. All human action is based on faith. If the Biblical faith be removed from the public square then an alien faith will fill the vacuum. Thus did a Humanism creep into American culture which morphed into the Marxism that has now taken the Gov't. The ideology of Marxism remains consistent from one society to the next while the immediate religious application changes to fit the culture. From the French Revolution to the Russian Bolsheviks to the German Nazis to Maoism to the current American Bolsheviks, the Marxist ideology is easily identified.

In American, Wokeism is the religion that Marxism has replaced Christianity with. Previously it was the religion of class conflict of various flavors whether it was the proletariat versus capitalism in Russia, the German master race versus the unclean races or Mao's cultural revolution. In America, the religion of Wokeism has turned the entire culture on it's head where everything historically established as good is now defined as evil and all that we knew as evil is now good. This is perhaps the ultimate Marxist class conflict.

We are returning full circle to the French Revolution. The French Revolution was born out of the left wing of the Enlightenment and resulted in the violent revolt of the "people" against the Elites. The left wing of the Enlightenment culminated in the Russian Boshevik revolution and the Soviet empire. The right wing of the Enlightenment moved through Scottish rationalism to America and, as influenced by Christianity, culminated in the American Revolution and then the USG empire. ("A Tale of Two Cities" is an illustration of the differences of the two wings.)

My point here is that having lost the Christian basis for human action in American culture as replaced by a Marxist wokeism, we now find ourselves ruled by an unseen European globalist elite much as the French were ruthlessly ruled by the French aristocracy. We have come full circle back to that conflict. Now we are the French.

These globalist elites tried to impose their NWO on the entire planet and failed. Eastern Europe and the BRICs rejected their NWO designs and are forming their own bloc which is attracting other nations such as Saudi Arabia who do not want to be part of the NWO of the globalists.

Having failed to impose their design on the whole world, the NWO globalists will have to consolidate their control of Australia, NZ, Canada, the US and part of Europe and wait for a future opportunity to finish their global conquest. They will have to build a new "Iron Curtain" and cut off their territories from the rest of the world.

But if they can't conquer and subjugate the American people, their plan for a NWO will fail entirely. This is now the conflict that has returned full circle to the French Revolution. Though the American people have not fully realized it yet, they are in a war with these globalist elites much as the French were. And the American people are waking from their slumber. If we reject Wokeism and regain the Biblical faith of our fathers, the elites will lose this war. But rest assured, the globalist elites will not be vanquished peacefully. There is nothing they will not contemplate doing to retain power. It will get ugly.

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daverkb's avatar

My view on the ruling elite is a bit a variance (maybe) yours yours (perhaps). There is an Empire (5 Eyes, Banking/Wall Street/City of London/CB controlled, Deep State/three lettered agencies ruled) with an apex ruling mechanism. Since it all works in the shadows, it hard to pin down. But, nonetheless, Covid Terrorism operated throughout the Empire with a breathtaking uniformity. The uniformity is the tell because it suggests centralized control over large territory (EU, UK, NZ, Australia, North America). As to Covid Terrorism, there was no fragmentation of implementation of The Plan. And as such, Covid Terrorism surely spilled the beans and confirmed suspicions as to the existence of an centralized 'authority.' I had always guessed at this. But the emergence of the covid era confirmed this much.

The American Independence War was still largely Calvinistic in nature by origins. But the cracks were big and opening up. For example, Jefferson's allegiances where philosophical and with the Enlightenment. Adams already was a Fallen Christian in that he and his wife embraced Unitarianism. Contrast this with the Son of Thunder, Patrick Henry whose 'Given me Liberty or Give Me Death' is practically right out of the Bible in its essence, that of Light or Darkness, sin or death, Christ or the Lord of Darkness. The old American Christian theology by habit and custom of the 17th and 18th century persisted into the 19th century but was unraveling, slowly be strangled and suffocated by secular forces. By the 20th century Calvinism was largely gone except in the Old Deep South which always bucked the trends of 'modernization'. By the 21st century, nearly all is lost and only a Christian remnant remains. Obviously a thumbnail sketch, but with some validity in an overall sense of survey.

I agree with you mostly. There is a whole world in Walk-Away. The One World ambition is largely done. And it will be a hard pressed for the Western Apex Rulers to keep the Empire intact. The EU might easily pry itself away from American domination, just as the Saudis most surprisingly walked. The Empire is largely a hollowed out shell now in the hands of feckless clown-like 'Leaders'.

There is a large danger, however, still looming as to the world. Transhumanist nano-technology can be gotten into people in a myriad of delivery systems, and the technology alters the human genome.This to me is the biggest existential threat to the safety of the people of the planet. I don't know how it will play out.

Okay! A mere ramble in a somewhat sloppy manner.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Dave, I'm not ready to post this but I wanted to get this to you now. I have to give this some thought. I just sent this to my son who is a doctor of pharmacology.

Matt, we have got to take this seriously. Check this out then we need to talk.

Summary:

I have heard people say what I see in the blood cannot be real because people would have strokes and heart attacks. I have seen just that, and in some people repeated strokes, heart attacks and heart arrythmia within a short amount of time despite blood thinners like Eliquis and Aspirin combination. I have seen this kind of picture repeatedly. This happened after having close contact with C19 injected individuals.

https://anamihalceamdphd.substack.com/p/worsening-toxic-darkfield-live-blood?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

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Politico Phil's avatar

Daverkb, I like the way you fleshed out the details and found nothing to disagree with. My view was from a much higher altitude. The last 3 years have indeed exposed the hand of the apex globalists who are directing all the agencies that are abusing us. They have shown their hand and they are all in. It is now all or nothing. This is why I believe they are now desperate and will resort to any means they feel necessary to advance their agenda. I don't know what it is going to take to get rid of this evil cabal but apparently they have been around for a few hundred years and have tentacles everywhere. The Klaus Schwabs, the Soros' and the political heads are just puppets and clowns. I believe the best way to identify them would be to follow the money as this whole operation is well lubricated by money. As such, a forensic examination of the Bank for International Settlements would most likely lead to the cabal itself as the BIS is the origination of all the money creation in the world that has facilitated their plandemic/genocide. I am aware that others have done this but I am not familiar with their material. Apparently though, attorney Tom Renz is familiar with this material.

Agree with your sketch of the founders. Patrick Henry was indeed the bright light of the time. IMO, he was the Moses of the War for Independence and the embodiment of the fight for liberty and uncompromising to the end. When he was invited to attend the convention in Philadelphia, he refused saying, "I smell a rat in Philadelphia." The seeds to the demise of the republic were sown even then when the delegates to the convention exceeded their authority, in secret, and overthrew the Articles of Confederation. That coup eventually lead to where we are today.

Totally agree about the threat of transhumanism and their nano-tech. Talking this over with my buddy, we concluded that this is an extinction level event at least for the white populations of Western civilization. I have to admit that if it wasn't for the hand of Providence guiding history, I believe we would be in a permanent dark age or extinct. But history is, after all, His-story.

And that's why the Church will prevail yet again. Christ ascended and rules history from His throne. Satan was cast out when He ascended and the power of God's Holy Spirit now inhabits the body of Christ, the church. Satan and the world cannot prevail against Him who finished His work upon the cross. A new generation will rise and occupy the world just as the old generation under Moses was not with those who entered the new land. The world is not ending and the kingdom of our Lord and Savior is just beginning.

Jesus taught us to pray "Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name, Your kingdom come" and then finished with "For Yours IS the kingdom and the power and the glory forever." Between those two phrases is all of history. Christ's kingdom was established forever with His ascension and the disciples were there to see the fulfillment of their petition "Your kingdom come..." In that we can all rejoice with the host in heaven.

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TB's avatar

"Separation of Church and State" had a fine intention at the beginning, but it has been twisted. It was INTENDED to mean that the State can't make laws to establish a religion (as in Europe they had Catholicism or Protestantism as official national religions). But it was later turned into a mockery of itself, as the claim that "you aren't allowed to engage in politics based on your religion", which is the exact OPPOSITE of what was intended.

Everyone should be free to proudly hold their religious beliefs, the only thing they cannot do is mandate their specific church on others by force of law.

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KatLee's avatar

Many churches/leaders do not have the gift of discernment. Or few who are schooled in the prophecies of the Bible.

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daverkb's avatar

Mostly, they the pretend church leaders are ignorant of Church history and have zero understanding of Christian orthodox theology. Most have never taught from the Confessions of Faith. Instead, they might as well be on TV selling skin cream, soap and big pharma drugs.

I know that this may sound harsh. But really, we should have little time and patience for, nor forbearance with people in very positions of responsibility who are totally incompetent. This goes for the rest of the societal leadership as well.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Amen brother!

We have no time for slackers. We are on the edge of destruction. They either get right with God or they get kicked out of the boat.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Exactly. Its all about adding Jesus to your life for what he can do for you. Like a Genie. Not repent from your sins, God of wrath God of mercy!

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Like some kind of weak kneed Santa Claus. They are in for a rude awakening.

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SadieJay's avatar

Denominational division is deliberate distraction from The Divine.

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Turfseer's avatar

Covid Hysterics look at the world with rose-colored glasses as they face the reality of the deadly mRNA injection. Listen to Turfseer’s new song. MY POLYANNA SUMMER. https://turfseer.substack.com/p/my-polyanna-summer

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Nature abhors a vacuum. When God got dismissed, look what flooded in…

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Jeff C's avatar

God bless you Anne but please don't give up teaching. If they won't let you speak truth then please find a church that preaches the Bible and teach kids there. Paul talks about this wedge between parents and kids in 2 Timothy 3:2 when speaking of the last days:

"For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,"

So it might be worth pointing that out to your tenth-grade know it all (I have two teenagers so I know the type), you were sticking to the Bible.

I know this probably sounds harsh but if anyone still has their kids in public school you are endangering them and will have to answer Jesus for it one day. I doubt that there was no choice because the money was spent on a new car or an expensive vacation will go over well.

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DiAnna Webber's avatar

I have my youngest child who will be a senior this year in public school. Sent him to a private Catholic school for his middle school years, and it was great. However, he wanted to go back to the public school for high school to be with his friends he had played sports with since he was in elementary school. I have a good friend who is a math teacher at the school and she helps keep me informed. I also have very open discussions with my son and he wants no part of the craziness. So while we have the funds to send him to private school, we made the choice to let him finish out in public school and he’s done very well. I think it’s a decision each parent has to decide on for themselves . He’s going to be going off to college soon and I’m going have a lot less control there and we know how woke the colleges have become. He’s very serious about going into law school eventually, so college is going to be necessary. I’d rather him have the skill set and foundation that I help him create now so he can take that into college and make good decisions for himself.

When my kids were younger, I honestly did not realize that this craziness was even happening in the schools. I will say if I had to start over at elementary school again, I would homeschool or put into a private school. I have a grandson now and I am hoping and praying they will keep him out of the system. God bless our children and all those fighting to save themšŸ™šŸ™šŸ™

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Jeff C's avatar

I agree that it depends on the spiritual maturity of the kids. My younger son (10th grade) I have no doubt would not succumb to this, as he's firmly grounded in his beliefs. That being said, he wants no part of the nonsense and is happy we pulled him out years ago and put him in a strongly biblical school. Plus he gets taught the Bible every day as part of the curriculum and the best defense against this stuff is to know the Bible. When some counselor says, "maybe you are trapped in the wrong gender" a kid who knows the Bible will laugh out loud rather than take them seriously.

My older son is starting at a public university this year (after spending high school in the same biblical school) and I am a little concerned. However, he's also pretty well grounded and is taking a hard science major (electrical engineering) so there won't be much time for nonsense. Plus he's living at home for at least the first year so we should be able to help keep him focused.

Bottom line though is that public schools are populated with anti-Christian atheist activist staff, and other staff too cowardly to call them out. They are more worried about being called a bigot or their pension than protecting your kids. I don't care how well grounded kids are, I don't want my kids spending eight hours a day with these demons. Particularly if they are young.

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SA's avatar

I’ll jump in and say that no matter your perception of your kids’ spiritual maturity, public school is an extremely challenging environment for any child or teen. I went to a Christian school all the way up until my junior year in high school and then switched over to the public high school. I didn’t participate in the parties and morally questionable activities and I went to youth group and even on a missions trip during that time. However, it’s an impressionable time for teens and it is seed planting - not for your child to plant seeds, but for the school to put lots of doubt into the kids’ minds. Even at a public university, I saw more of this. The difference is that high schoolers are more impressionable and the day-to-day schedule of high schools is extremely challenging to keep the world views out. This was over 20 years ago and I’m sure it’s worse now. Either way, I hope that parents don’t let down their guard. I know what it’s like going from a Christian school to public and both had kids with very ungodly behaviors, but the difference was that the teachers were even stacked against the the kids in pushing their liberal beliefs. Your child might not rebel now and maybe never, but it certainly wasn’t a healthy environment.

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Jeff C's avatar

My kids went the opposite way, from a public school (academically high achieving though) to a biblical Christian school. After the first few weeks I asked my son what was the biggest difference. "The other kids don't curse" was his response.

So it's not just the staff but the students too. I don't want my kids associating with the children of lousy parents. We don't have school vouchers here, but I've come to view that as a blessing. Parents that send their children to my kid's school have to make sacrifices to do so. While not perfect, it's a pretty good screen for ensuring the parents are fully invested in their kid's upbringing. Plus the school is uncompromising in adhering to the Bible and it drives every decision. I know if my kids go to a teacher with an issue, that teacher will pray with them, open a bible and share relevant scripture, and tell them that Jesus loves them. It is incredible.

I will say that I did twelve years of Catholic schools myself, and perhaps things have changed, but I don't recall experiencing any of this. My high school was far more interested in how the football team did than what the Bible said. The principal (a priest) was later defrocked and caused a multi-million dollar payout for sexual abuse. Which is why I always say that a school must be *biblical* as just being "Christian" isn't good enough.

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Texas nurse's avatar

Amen! We worked at a Christian school in Taiwan for 6 years and we realized it was Christian in name only. Really just a secular school with Jesus sprinkled on top. Like many Christian schools now.

It was terrible for the kids!! The kids and staff who were actually Biblical were shunned and made to feel like the bad guys.

A strong Biblical school or homeschool are IMO the only options for schooling these days.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Beginning in Middle School, the peer pressure is immense.

I watched a video of a quite liberal single parenting mom, a lawyer,

who flipped out and woke up when she saw her daughter getting sucked into the trans vortex.

She got tough, took away the social media, moved the child to another school and said, ā€˜you’re starting fresh and you are starting with your true identity. The daughter tantrumed, said how much she hated her mom. It was a fight and a struggle, but the mom persisted and the daughter came around and now the relationship is good. Sounded like 2 or 3 years of pretty intense effort.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=z1oh4dsbsb4&feature=share

Hopefully this is the video.

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David Uhr's avatar

After mainly homeschool and Christian school, we allowed our older kids to go to public school. It provided the opportunity to discuss what they were encountering while they were still home...family dinner is critical as are longer times away like camping or laid back vacations. If they go away to college and encounter the crazy ideas for the first time from respected profs, there is no family dinner conversation to provide balanced perspective.

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Jeff C's avatar

You know that's the exact same argument that was made against home schooling in general, that kids require being in school for social acclimation. It was nonsense then and it's nonsense now. We can (and do) discuss all the garbage out there without throwing them into the middle of it. It's not like this stuff is a secret.

Yes college is an adjustment. I made clear to my kids I would only pay for a hard science type college education (they are both bright and technically inclined) and insisted they live at home for the first year to adjust. They are free to ignore those requirements but if doing so then they will have to pay for their own education. Period. If they choose to abide by those rules, conduct themselves as Christian men, and apply themselves then I will pay fully and they can live at our house rent free (if so inclined) until they graduate.

This idea that kids are entitled to go off to distant college to "find themselves" (and we as parents are expected to foot the bill) is why so many kids go off the rails. And we as parents are fully within our rights to set clear expectations if they expect us to pay for it. My kids have known this since they were in elementary school so it was no surprise and they have no problem with it.

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Dick's avatar

Jeff, et al—

We went the same route with our daughter — with the same caveats & understandings. They were both national merit scholars. The Christian University was in our town. We did not want them subjected to the social trends & licentiousness foisted on students at ā€œtopā€ schools. They deserved a great, Liberal true education. We likewise insisted in a science-based course of study.

But the REQUIRED social studies, ā€˜Bible’ & Spiritual Disciplines, reworked ā€œliberal artsā€ courses & campus life were peppered with ā€˜Christian’ Social Justice teaching (with a heavy Richard Foster, universalism & divine spark element) & a modernist ā€˜faith & worshipā€ and it all undermined and subverted the solid foundation they’d received. It was a mixed bag. They soon opted to attend a different church, which although very Biblical in preaching & fellowship, eschewed hymns for what I see as camp or singin’-in-the-shower ā€˜worship’ songs. Soon, they were attending the social justice churches — then none at all. They came to view the Christianity in which they were raised through their new (heavily clouded) lenses and focused on the hypocrisy they’d seen — a correct observation, but mis-attributed to what was deemed an old, stodgy & warped kind of Churchiology . The school & environment had deconstructed & reconstructed a hollowed out ā€˜faith’. What was left was pious — and shallow. It can not and could not sustain any weight of deep suffering, trauma and tragedy.

When an earthquake happens in the life of these young persons, as it did with these amazing girls, there is little left of true faith, of God, to sustain them. (He does, but it is unacknowledged) Truth has all been hollowed out.

So, when the catastrophic illness and subsequent death of their beloved father* occurred, over a rollercoaster Spring and summer their Jr year, the death of God inexorably followed. God is either impotent, cruel and sadistic, or non-existent, they concluded. They lost their true, sustaining faith via the overwhelming pressures applied by insidious forces in the culture, peers & leaders AND in the churches and school. This is by design. The pied piper.

BUT.

God has promises and He keeps every one of them. They have His Word and the great hymns of the faith hidden in their hearts, set to memory but now buried deep. They have logic and science, literature and real history under their belts to recall despite all the righteous and compassionate sounding lies constantly dripped into the collective veins of the populace. At some point, they’ll see, for example, what a sham the Zinn history (yep, at college!) is & the like. They’ll see everything as it is.

And mostly, they will return to God in Christ. The Way, The Truth, and The Light. Because He has promised to complete the work He began in them.

This is just to say keep your eyes open and pray! What these youngsters — especially the conscientious ones — are up against as college students is far more powerful and pervasive than you can imagine. The most dangerous onslaught arrayed against them is in these college years. We thought we had prepared them and that we’d made adequate assessments & provisions & we helped them navigate through college, too. We were wrong. When fools and wolves are trusted and admired influencers, teaching a pretense of thought, the students are defenseless. My advice — be vigilant & alert. Encourage summer WORK with strong, good, intelligent and believing men of strong faith. Yes, and pray as if their very lives depended on it.

Through that traumatic time with their father, I learned what fine stuff my young women are made of. They know this. Now, 10 years later, we maintain a very close relationship. They’re doing so well. We have trust, love and friendship. But they still have that IV drip and the look through clouded lenses of lies. I talk to them frankly, as do they to me. I pray. They appreciate that. We used to say this play on words from the familiar verse: ā€œAll we like cheap suits have gone a-frayā€. It took us laughingly to something beautiful and true: Jesus is the Good Shepherd who cares for His sheep. He will bring these beautiful straying lambs back, tenderly, like the beautiful Savior He is.

God Bless you and your family. And thanks for delivering every day such fine words for our edification and not a few chuckles!

*Just to note for context: I am Dick’s widow

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daverkb's avatar

My gosh, Dick is gone? Did I get that right? If so, I am so sorry. I hope yours find their way back.

I could not get back to the thread in your comment reply which mentioned Machen, surely a great man of the 20th century and a huge influence in my thinking, especially at the time I read his most famous book, Christianity and Liberalism. Everything you said there was so beautifully well put. And my thanks for it. Kind of made my day.

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Dick's avatar

Sorry! I had (again) posted it to a confusingly convoluted thread & assumed I had made another error. Couldn’t find the one I’d replied to to repost it. Here it is So sorry for pulling it out from under you!

……

Not many are even aware of that R2K theology that litters the (reformed) landscape — that along with a number of other distortions rearing their jagged heads in the past several decades. What was (and still actually is) a clear and beautiful system of understanding & living the Gospel in the simplicity and beauty of Biblical Truth (in its entirety) as well-systematized by great and gifted believers, has been pretty much abandoned or nitpicked to death by Seminarian dons (my op) or narcissistic leaders.

I think of J Gresham Machen’s last words — after all this brilliant, erudite, brave and humble man wrote, gave and suffered, his simple, ā€œJesus Loves me this I know — For the Bible tells me soā€ is the most profound.

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Dick's avatar

Yep. Sadly this is pretty obscure stuff. Here is a second reply to one of your other posts. Political Phil, gentleman that he is, informed me that I had misplaced it. Cut & saved & then deleted. But here’s that:

I see you are a Calvin man. And Catechized. And a lover of Christ. Heidelberg or Westminster? The Faith of our Fathers. Yes.

Thank you for that Quote from Calvin’s institutes. Like the Bible, true and edifying, yet welcomely convicting, allowing for nothing righteous in ourselves, but driving us to Christ and His Gospel of pure Grace. Sorely needed. Thanks much

Your posts made my day as well.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

You were parenting! That’s what is missing in far, far too many homes, where the kids are allowed to run things.

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AngelaK's avatar

For decdes now they havent been finding themselves but rather were finding sex, drugs and alcohol. Unisex dorms and even bathrooms! I turned around to the tour girl and asked "who really wants that??!?".

I was aware of the promiscuity but most parents werent...or didnt want to know about it.

My son told us about it because he was still innocent.

He and my daughter also told us about required freshman class on sex something or other that they said disturbed them so much they couldnt even talk about it. (two different colleges)..It was during the Clinton administration days; when the depravity agenda all started moving fast in schooling.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

That is a good point. The parent involvement and direction is so key.

My younger daughter and son-in-law homeschooled in Jacksonville. Have 5 awesome children. Then they move to rural Ohio. The older 2 were high school age, the middle one in middle school, the ā€˜littlest’ in Elementary. And they loved the socialization of the schools there. It was just a treat for them. And the school district was over the moon to get these beautiful bright emotionally stable kids to push their standardized tests scores up.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

That said, even in this little rural place, the one who is now 12 has faced having girls saying they are now boys and want to be called by new names and male pronouns. James, thank God, refuses and tells them they are not boys.

This thing is pervasive! These kids are not really being parented!

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daverkb's avatar

Given what I know now, I'd never send a kid to public school. However, I've seen some videos of older kids in public schools who know their 'teachers' are bat S crazy. And so, this kind of craziness may totally backfire for all its off the rail insanity.

In a Double However, my chief concern would be a real education. Home schooling and/or home schooling cooperatives ... and some private schools could possibly yield a superior eduction such as would be equal to two or three years or more of present day college/university level 'teaching'. And imagine the accelerated progress if a kid could find a school which would allow the taking of graduate level courses in undergraduate years.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Not one size fits all. The key is to be very involved, even if from a mostly stealth position. You are responsible. May involve a little pain for temporarily removing their ā€˜toys and social media’. You are boss and have the power to direct them.

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Anne Clifton's avatar

My children are grown, so it's my grandchildren I have to be concerned about. My now 16 year old granddaughter was talking about these issues two years ago. I'm a 71 year old who knows what's going on in the culture, which is one of the main reasons I wanted to teach. Thanks for the encouragement!

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AngelaK's avatar

šŸ’Æ God bless you!

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Thank you Jeff C. Your words have given me even more reason to fight for us struggling through homeschool or pay for priv. I was outright convinced because I know how easy minds are swayed if even my adult mind can be slowly brainwashed. But they way you put it — vacay or car and our accountability is even more fuel! Much thanks šŸ’•

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Texas nurse's avatar

We have homeschool our 3 kids for 3 years…ages 16,15, 10. It’s not always easy but I wouldn’t trade it. Thankfully in Texas there is a huge homeschool community so they have all made friends and have sports and Choir.

It helps to have community to support with home schooling.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

There definitely is a huge growing homeschool body with CRT and LGBT stuff going on. Esp in places where public school is so bad like CA.

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Dela Wurl's avatar

We homeschool our teenage grandsons. Best thing we ever said yes to after the parents asked us! They both graduated from our church’s middle school, and we are doing high school with them. They have a great core group of Christian friends that they have gone to school/church with since 1st grade. They are ingredible boys and believers.šŸ’—

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Willing Spirit's avatar

As an excuse…you are right.

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Erin Fight's avatar

https://youtu.be/AkTXj5gI5Kc

This is one of the best Biblical responses to this madness that I've heard.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Pastor Gary Hamrick is wonderful. I frequently listen to his sermons/teaching and he is doing what God has divinely placed him to do in this world and he’s doing it with courage, grace and complete fidelity to God’s Word.

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Jeff C's avatar

Another fantastic and fearless Calvary Chapel pastor! As someone who has attended CC for the better part of thirty years I am so thankful God has used it for such solid biblical teaching. Most of these guys learned under Pastor Chuck Smith (from the "Jesus Revolution" movie) and he taught them well. All glory to God!

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Anne Clifton's avatar

I'm beginning to wonder if the Calvary Chapel churches are the only ones willing to speak to the issues we face. I've begun listening to Jack Hibbs, Skip Heitzig and now will add Jack Hamrick to the list.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

No, I attend a Presbyterian (PCA) church in the Midwest and our pastor faithfully preaches the Truth found only in God’s Word and connects what’s going on in the world now with what God’s Word tells us. I believe John MacArthur is also a strong preacher/teacher/pastor and never minces the Truth. But as we know, there will only be a remnant of the Church when Jesus comes to take us to where He is. (The rapture)

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Anne Clifton's avatar

Wow! I've begun listening and already, at 4 minutes in, I can tell this is going to be good! Update: a few more minutes in and I am crying. This is what we need to be hearing in our churches!

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Sarah Dee's avatar

Thanks, Erin! We NEED pastors to speak the truth. To preach from the Word. To help arm us Christians in this MAD world! We cannot ignore what is in our faces 24x7 out in the world. It MUST be addressed and Pastor Gary Hamrick's message is fantastic!

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Ellen Komorowski's avatar

I saw this and also thought that this was the absolute best Biblical response to what is happening in our world!

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Sunnydaze's avatar

We watch Pastor Gary online every week and love his messages!!! Truth! Biblically based! And spot on every single time. Thanks for sharing it here!!!

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Absolutely wonderful!

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NofloChick's avatar

I just listened. Very good! Thanks for sharing!

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AngelaK's avatar

Thank you for sharing that. He spoke very well. I was so disturbed to hear the entire disgusting spectacle at the Dodger stadium. Wow. Trying to unhear it. Lord God have mercy. šŸ™

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Cheryl Caraglior's avatar

Thanks, Erin, I was not aware of Pastor Hamrick and this is terrific and much needed today.

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Lisa P's avatar

Maybe instead of talking specifically about the LGBT agenda, give a lesson more generally about Cultural Marxism and describe their goal and what their movement has to gain from the destruction of the family? It's not just division via LGBTQ - they use race, men vs women, covid, climate change, and probably more I can't even think of. They've been "coming for our children" for decades.

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Oma's avatar

Thank you, Anne, for teaching truth from scripture and using examples of what is happening around our children and grandchildren at this exact moment. If not, we’re just ā€œtelling stories of oldā€ and there will be no connection made to what the Bible is saying and how it is being lived out in our present time! Now you know exactly who needs extra prayers. I’ll be praying for you to stay strong and ā€œArmor upā€ because the darts will be coming. Thank you for stepping up.

ā€œDo not participate in the useless deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them.ā€ Ephesians 5:11

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Anne Clifton's avatar

I love that verse! I've applied it also to pointing out the covid/vaccine lies. I know I am alienating people, but I don't care.

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MaryAnn's avatar

Satan is hard at work to destroy God’s creation. Speak truth lovingly into this madness. Love does not validate the delusion. Onward!

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Julie Ann B's avatar

The Bible does talk about debauchery, sexual perversions and sin so don’t ever let someone tell you that you shouldn’t talk about that. It was an abomination to God then as it is today. There’s nothing new under the sun. Stand firm on the truth of God’s Word and you can never go wrong. Its tolerance and acceptance to these rebellious and sick sexual sins that is fueling it today.

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daverkb's avatar

You are right. Letting this pass, letting it get taught school is an assault on the family institution. It's simple divide and conquer. It's fathers against sons, daughters against mothers and so on. It is the destruction of the organization of society, as

a sort of sexualized Build Back Better flim-flam fraudulent scheme . Those preachers and politicians who aid and abet this unholy crusade are as evil as the perverse front line perps. And let it be said that to remain silent is a great evil. To be silent is to be seen to agree.

I find the children changing their identity week to week faddish to be wholly sinister. What is really being taught in acceptance under the pretense of pretend is that there are no anchors in the social/political order. The instruction to the young is that the new norm is a forever shifting quaking bog. No firm right and wrong, no firm good or evil. In the West Evil is the new celebrated Satanic God.

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Dick's avatar

I was doing a search yesterday pertaining to the endocrine system and the effect of prescription hormones on young people. What I found was a Q & A on Quora. It was post after post of information, personal experiences & advice for newbies on using & getting these hormones. This particular page was centered on Estrogen. Posting were a few scattered medical pros, but mainly, they were by ā€œtransā€ men some were rhapsodizing on the feelings of becoming feminine. Several were glibly endorsing experimentation. One particularly dismaying post was one explaining how it would help an 8 year-old (or younger) to start young so to more easily navigate their transition.

Several questions asked about trying it out, just to see what it’s like, or just wanting to not be depressed, angry, frustrated, annoyed & everything else hitting normal young men with hormones a-raging. Using estrogen and testosterone suppressants were the enthusiastically encouraged answer for it all — and links to easy procurement were handily provided.

Then it dawned on me: Among young people now, self medicating by taking hormones is quickly becoming a universal panacea. A readily available, crowned with praise, couched in virtue and professional legitimacy, cure-all for every difficulty puberty and adolescence throws at every kid ever born.

The guardians at the gate have been lured away or have joined in the pillage. The fires are being set faster than we can put them out and the winds are picking up.

Folks, this is the new drug of choice. Heads up. …Good Dad’s — see every kid as YOUR kid. Teach them how to navigate their new young challenges. PRAY!

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AngelaK's avatar

I like this from Turkiye: Common sense from an Islamic country. šŸ‘

"Our national future depends on keeping the institution of family alive with our national and moral values,ā€ Gul wrote on Twitter, vowing not to allow ā€œany activity that will weaken the institution of family.ā€

ā€œThe 113 people who participated with the goal of spreading [LGBTQ] propaganda have been detained,ā€ the governor added.

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daverkb's avatar

I saw this too. No fooling around. C & C said it well that there were once laws against obscenity, public lewdness, public exposure, public intoxication ... and for good reason.

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Dick's avatar

Angela, I deleted and moved my post to DaverKB just above, but it’s a response to you as well. Thanks for your great post! I recall seeing that & thinking the same thing. God Bless

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J Walker's avatar

PLEASE don't stop teaching. You may be the only thing keeping Satan out of their lives.

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Big E's avatar

Truth tellers must NEVER stop teaching — or conversing. Each one teach one. We all must teach (not preach). Ask good questions. Often, those questions will start people thinking.

Changing the contagion will not happen quickly, so be patient. But please — everyone — keep trying. It takes a while to break through mass hysteria. YOU might be the person who adds just enough rope in this tug of war to swing the pendulum back to sanity.

Here are two good films to inspire you.

* Video (animated)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09maaUaRT4M

* Video: After School Special: The Wave (1983): https://youtu.be/4qlBC45jk3I - how the German people were moved to embrace Naziism

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Christy's avatar

It’s so incredibly hard! I try warning ppl about the jab and I’ve gotten so used to that crazy look. I hate it for them and pray for them every night.

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David A's avatar

Christy, at first it may not appear to relate, but a very well written red pill post on one subject, can expose their entire agenda. In my comment on this post, I linked those. Please consider. https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/really-bad-optics-monday-june-26/comment/17766503

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Christy's avatar

Thank you David, I’ll go read them now!

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

You are much better versed in the Bible than I am, I'm sure, Anne, but didn't God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah for similar depravity? This age may have a different name for it, but it stems from the same impulses as then, yes? So, I think -- FWIW -- that your comments are absolutely pertinent and have a Biblical reference. Rebecca's post above referencing 2 Peter 13:19 is absolutely spot on.

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YYR's avatar

Anne, this subversion is NOT only in public schools, that's a false sense of security. It started at Georgetown Prep, our newest SCOTUS Justice was involved, actually, and it was then rolled out to other NAIS private schools, and some Catholic schools too. And remember, being online, they can groom every child.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

I agree with you! I also teach Sunday school, as I have for the past 40yrs plus. I've seen and heard it all. God's Word must remain foremost and with that said, it also means we apply today's life to what Scripture tells us. I try hard to bring aspects of our lives into my teaching of the Bible; the pedestrian angle. It can be challenging but I find that brutal honesty and faithfulness to God's word transcends my abilty. The Holy Spirit speaks over me. He does the same for you too! Thankful to hear there are faithful teachers! Keep it going!

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Juliann's avatar

Keep teaching the truth. Especially to the ones who oppose it.

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daiva's avatar

šŸ—Ø They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you. With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed—an accursed brood! They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Bezer, who loved the wages of wickedness. But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey—an animal without speech—who spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet’s madness.

šŸ—Ø These people are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for ā€œpeople are slaves to whatever has mastered them.ā€

~~2 Peter 2:13-19

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RunningLogic's avatar

This says it all:

ā€œThey promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for ā€œpeople are slaves to whatever has mastered them.ā€ā€

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daiva's avatar

šŸ—Ø liberation that leaves you on a caged island, chained to your appetites with a credit card and an online ordering form.

Same vivid picture, another angle šŸ™‚

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Dick's avatar

…And applause, apparently.

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Freebird's avatar

Very true Rebecca. My first thought on seeing those images was…we’re seeing real-time Sodom and Gomorrah in our midst. When I first read that story so long ago it was hard to envision what that scene might have looked like….now I know exactly what it looked like.

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PamelaZelie's avatar

Seeing those images makes me wonder how long the Good Lord will allow this depravity.

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Copernicus's avatar

Good point.

It is still often shocking and stunning to realize that we are indeed living in exactly that. And in Romans 1. It is all conundrum true right in front of us. It is no longer theoretical or relegated to studies of ancient Rome. It is right here and right now.

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Bgagnon's avatar

Yes, Freebird, a year or more ago I said to my hubby, Sodom and Gomorrah. And it's much worse now.

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AngelaK's avatar

They want to normalize sexual depravity to children, with all the money of George Soros to push all this. I don't believe for one moment that there aren't many perverts and sell outs who are getting checks to do all sorts of things in this country we never thought we would see or hear.

Once the conscience, concepts of ethical and moral integrity, and of sin, have been washed away in our people, getting paid and taking money to sell your soul is easy.

Look at all the actors and actresses having to do sex scenes today. Umm.. do they even realize that they are sinning?

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Dick's avatar

We saw this depravity in many cities back in the late 70’s & It’s been going on ever since. Only then they were called ā€œGay Prideā€ parades. With the rise of trans, they had to cut the name. Inclusivity, you know.

Now, it’s plastered everywhere though, and they’re trying to show it celebrated broadly. It’s more in your face — but it’s especially more in the children’s faces.

Their parents and teachers grew up with this stuff in the background of their consciousness. Now it’s at the forefront of ours. It’s been happening and growing for a long time.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I was glad I was seeing them on my phone so the detail wasn’t as obvious!

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Annie's avatar

I am surrounded by these same parents, mostly dems but sick rinos too, who support this. They are awful people, the women especially. The only good they provide is as examples to my son and daughter who not to get involved with and how degenerate they really are. As I say "These are not horses you want to hook your wagon of life up to."

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Sirka Sie's avatar

I spared myself and let my imagination fill in. I’m sure it is worse in reality.

So while the West is losing its collective mind the ā€œunderdevelopedā€, ā€œoppressiveā€ nations see it for what it is and have the sense to put an end to it. It’s clear that the further you stray from humility the closer to Satan you get. I can NOT accept this. I WILL NOT accept this. Keep your loved ones close, protect them from the insanity in any way you can. I consider all of you Substack readers (those who are on team freedom) my reprieve…so thank you, I would be wearing a straight jacket if it were not for you.šŸ™ā¤ļø

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AngelaK's avatar

And who thought I would start admiring Islamic countries like Turkiye for not allowing pride parades.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

AMEN!! May it ever be so!!

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CaplT's avatar

I skipped the videos. Jeff took one for the group and did some sourcing, described the atrocities within so you don’t need to.

Guard your eyes, don’t be suckered in by curiosity.

Psalm 119:37 Turn my eyes from looking at worthless things; and give me life in your ways.

Proverbs 4:25-27 Let your eyes look directly forward, and your gaze be straight before you.

Psalm 101:3 I will not set before my eyes anything that is worthless.

Matt 6:22 ā€œThe eye is the lamp of the body.ā€

1 Cor 6:18 Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body.

Once you’ve seen one demonic display you’ve seen all.

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Juliann's avatar

Amen!

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Dick's avatar

Amen!

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Johnny Be Real's avatar

It’s expected INDIVIDUALS will commit shameful acts and they typically keep it to themselves or within the group they share it with.

We are doomed when government and society COLLECTIVELY, openly promotes and celebrates shameful acts. (In my opinion).

Just within our lifetime a massive shift in PUBLIC morality has occurred.

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AngelaK's avatar

Yes šŸ’Æ to your last sentence.

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Politico Phil's avatar

2 Peter: Nothing new under the sun, right? I hope the "media" broadcasts this continuously far and wide. The more they push it, the sooner conservative America will push back.

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nancy knox-bierman's avatar

Plus they are just gross. As a woman who appreciates naked men, this was a spectacle non parieil. These men are the bottom of the ashtray after a party in the 60's.

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Katrina the Hurricane's avatar

Yes we are living in a time when God will give them over to their shameful lusts, give them over to sinful desires of their hearts for sexual impurity, give them over to a deprived mind. GIVE THEM OVER. The Word speaks about this and more in Romans 1 with regard to a culture of sexual immorality. We must renew our own thinking by staying in the Word and being wise about what is going on in the world without being infected by the satanic worldview.

As for our children, we must protect their moral innocence. There are private schools that have moral innocence as a pillar in their educational philosophy. Send your kids there. It’s inexcusable that a church would not enforce moral innocence in its Sunday schools for everyone.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I would rather look at RFK Jr.'s photo of him shirtless.

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Justaskin''s avatar

I would suggest everyone read "return of the gods". Good book that explains that when we take God out of school, government, family, and society He will be replaced by another god. Like the return of baal, who did not die, but was replaced by Christianity.

Very interesting read.

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AngelaK's avatar

I have heard of this book here.

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Uncle Juan's avatar

The images are gross, but perhaps sharing these with those who think the pride parade is just another cute parade would be good.

Yakima had a pride parade that lasted all of 5 minutes, while only 150 miles away in Seattle all manner of debauchery is taking place

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Dick's avatar

I wrote this in response to a previous post. I’m reposting it here, because I was in Seattle when I first understood what these really were. And yes, it was flamboyantly abandoned and debauched even then. City leaders participated, as now. There was very little coverage & that was utterly sanitized. The gay papers had photos & gloried it it though. We thought it would just go away.

Here’s the post:

We saw this depravity in many cities back in the late 70’s & It’s been going on ever since. Only then they were called ā€œGay Prideā€ parades. With the rise of trans, they had to cut the name. Inclusivity, you know.

Now, it’s plastered everywhere though, and they’re trying to show it celebrated broadly. It’s more in our faces — but it’s especially more in the children’s faces.

Their parents and teachers grew up with this stuff in the background of their consciousness. Now, it’s at the forefront of ours. It’s been happening and growing for a long time.

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David A's avatar

Yes, while difficult to watch, we must be aware, and moved to constructive action to end such insanity, to show the misery it produces. This comment on this mornings post shows one way... https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/really-bad-optics-monday-june-26/comment/17766503

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