Adderall is like crack. I was in my 30's and tried it when it was prescribed for my son. He tried it and told me he didn't like how it made him feel so he didn't want to take it (God love him!). It made me curious so I gave it a whirl. I was a rockstar at work that day--probably annoying as all get-out too! Two young kids I know who were…
Adderall is like crack. I was in my 30's and tried it when it was prescribed for my son. He tried it and told me he didn't like how it made him feel so he didn't want to take it (God love him!). It made me curious so I gave it a whirl. I was a rockstar at work that day--probably annoying as all get-out too! Two young kids I know who were on it for a long time both had unattractive teeth and gums. Like their gums were really red--it could be coincidence, but that always made me wonder if the body responds to it in a crack-way.
So adderall is a form of amphetamine. It is my understanding that in kids, it has the opposite effect in the brain to slow down for adhd. When kids get to their teens it has to be discontinued because it starts to act like speed. Adults get hooked on their kids prescriptions because it acts like speed for them and they become ultra productive as a result.
There is no evidence this is true, it's a theory. There are no tests run on kids that show their brain speeding up or slowing down, or any other such definitive measure. It's no different from the "chemical imbalance" canard used to sell people SSRI's and other psychotropic drugs. No empirical evidence to back it up but it's repeated endlessly by so-called experts.
All we really know is that in some kids it does seem to help them focus better in the short-term but is this really a surprise? A drowsy truck driver can focus better when hopped up on speed too, but does anyone consider it a treatment? A stressed-out businessman is relaxed by a few stiff drinks every night but is that treatment? Mind altering drugs can temporarily alleviate unpleasant feelings it's true. However claiming people have a brain dysfunction and need these drugs treat it is pseudoscientific BS.
Putting kids on speed is a bad idea, period end of story. I say this as a former speed freak now decades clean and sober. We were told by our vax-shilling pediatrician and kindergarten teacher that our son needed "treatment" (i.e. speed) to focus but thankfully we had the God-given wisdom to say no and told her to go (blank) herself. He just graduated high school near the top of his class and is starting university in September.
When I told the pediatrician my drug history (when she pressed me on why we refused "medication") she told me I had ADHD too and had been self-medicating those years! Um no, I was a depraved drug addict that liked to get high. Some things really are as simple as they seem. Needless to say we fired her shortly after that.
Doctors that want to put your kids on speed do not have their best interests at heart. Use common sense, just say no!
Thanks RunningLogic. It's infuriating as the notion that speed somehow calms children down not only has no evidence to support it but also defies logic. People shouldn't have to be former drug addicts to know this, but God does work in amazing ways to have used this experience in my life.
It's comparable to the argument made by pharma that the covid vax is superior to natural immunity. It completely flies in the face of a couple hundred years of observations and has zero evidence behind it. It does sell product though. I just wish more people would question this stuff that runs completely counter to their life experiences rather than blindly trust someone because they have a diploma on the wall.
Band-aids help the band-aid manufacturers bottom line. They save the doctor time; takes time working with one particular patient to seek causes & try solutions. Time that could have billed with 2-3 patients rather than just that one.
Hi Jeff, I agree we should not give kids speed because they "may" focus better etc. I have a personal ancedote for you from my teen days. I guess I should say I was diagnosed ADHD as an adult, to give you context. When I was going to go to our Senior all nighter I told my boyfriend I was just too tired and wasn't going. I did not do drugs or drink. He offered me speed and said it would keep me up. He left for an hour so I could get ready after I took the speed. He told me later that when he came back I was so asleep he could not wake me. (I did respond somewhat, not unconcious) and I slept for 13 hours straight. One other time when I was 26 I tried Cocaine. Same response. Slept for an entire day. So maybe there is something to the thought that it slows down the brain of kids with ADHD? Maybe it was just me. Maybe God was protecting me? Or maybe my brain works differently than those who do not have ADHD? I can only say that it happened to me. I am so glad your son has you to speak for him and to protect him!
If you look at the statistics of antidepressant and adhd drug use, it has exploded in recent years for kids. Why? Big pharma profits. You have BABIES being prescribed drugs they shouldn’t need.
There is also evidence that some of these school shooters had been on high dose antidepressants or had their dosages increased when they committed these crimes. But is that discussed in the media? NO! Because it would call into question if these drugs are hurting kids.
I worked in children's mental health for quite a few years and was privy to the ways and means that psychatropes are prescribed and administered.
We would get intakes who at the age of ten could dry swallow a handful of pills. Gradually tapering the dose until they were "clean" would then reveal the personality of the child. Fascinating stuff. I can assure you that despite the fact that the organization I work for was decent, the practices were not. Children were essentially guinea pigs. Throw some meds at them and see what sticks.
And add to this already toxic mix that all of these drugs can be diverted and ingested in ways not originally intended. Just about everything can be crushed and snorted so the delivery of the drug through the mucosal membranes is instantaneous and more powerful.
Actually, in TN the gov recently added an amendment to a anti 2A bill that was submitted & created a seemingly random list of 10 Psyc drugs that if filled would eliminate one’s ability to carry/purchase guns...
🤔Makes one wonder if they only pay attention to facts that help their narrative. If they really cared they’d ban the drugs 🤯
If government can create random laws that would make one who believes in the 2A a felon because say they have the wrong trigger or get prescribed a drug the trusted white coat hands them, then they can no longer vote!
Sounds like a rx I had . Provigil , didn’t like it, felt too much like cocaine! For a sleep disorder. A friend in her 20’s takes adderall, she’s a student teacher & is pretending to be a lesbian because she’s afraid of men , but I digress.
Adderall is like crack. I was in my 30's and tried it when it was prescribed for my son. He tried it and told me he didn't like how it made him feel so he didn't want to take it (God love him!). It made me curious so I gave it a whirl. I was a rockstar at work that day--probably annoying as all get-out too! Two young kids I know who were on it for a long time both had unattractive teeth and gums. Like their gums were really red--it could be coincidence, but that always made me wonder if the body responds to it in a crack-way.
So adderall is a form of amphetamine. It is my understanding that in kids, it has the opposite effect in the brain to slow down for adhd. When kids get to their teens it has to be discontinued because it starts to act like speed. Adults get hooked on their kids prescriptions because it acts like speed for them and they become ultra productive as a result.
"in kids it it has the opposite effect..."
There is no evidence this is true, it's a theory. There are no tests run on kids that show their brain speeding up or slowing down, or any other such definitive measure. It's no different from the "chemical imbalance" canard used to sell people SSRI's and other psychotropic drugs. No empirical evidence to back it up but it's repeated endlessly by so-called experts.
All we really know is that in some kids it does seem to help them focus better in the short-term but is this really a surprise? A drowsy truck driver can focus better when hopped up on speed too, but does anyone consider it a treatment? A stressed-out businessman is relaxed by a few stiff drinks every night but is that treatment? Mind altering drugs can temporarily alleviate unpleasant feelings it's true. However claiming people have a brain dysfunction and need these drugs treat it is pseudoscientific BS.
Putting kids on speed is a bad idea, period end of story. I say this as a former speed freak now decades clean and sober. We were told by our vax-shilling pediatrician and kindergarten teacher that our son needed "treatment" (i.e. speed) to focus but thankfully we had the God-given wisdom to say no and told her to go (blank) herself. He just graduated high school near the top of his class and is starting university in September.
When I told the pediatrician my drug history (when she pressed me on why we refused "medication") she told me I had ADHD too and had been self-medicating those years! Um no, I was a depraved drug addict that liked to get high. Some things really are as simple as they seem. Needless to say we fired her shortly after that.
Doctors that want to put your kids on speed do not have their best interests at heart. Use common sense, just say no!
Thank you for sharing your experiences. Hard won wisdom that helped save your child 🙏❤️
Doctors and Pharma companies are preying on kids and using emotional manipulation of their parents to do it 😕
Thanks RunningLogic. It's infuriating as the notion that speed somehow calms children down not only has no evidence to support it but also defies logic. People shouldn't have to be former drug addicts to know this, but God does work in amazing ways to have used this experience in my life.
It's comparable to the argument made by pharma that the covid vax is superior to natural immunity. It completely flies in the face of a couple hundred years of observations and has zero evidence behind it. It does sell product though. I just wish more people would question this stuff that runs completely counter to their life experiences rather than blindly trust someone because they have a diploma on the wall.
Well said.
I wish the same. And I wish the medical community were more interested in causes and real solutions instead of band aids 😕
Band aids are fine, but buckets of cash delivered via government mandates, are better.
Yeah that too 😕
Band-aids help the band-aid manufacturers bottom line. They save the doctor time; takes time working with one particular patient to seek causes & try solutions. Time that could have billed with 2-3 patients rather than just that one.
Yes exactly.
Well said. Been there and done that myself in the late 1960s. Amphetamines are perhaps harder to get off of than is alcohol.
Hi Jeff, I agree we should not give kids speed because they "may" focus better etc. I have a personal ancedote for you from my teen days. I guess I should say I was diagnosed ADHD as an adult, to give you context. When I was going to go to our Senior all nighter I told my boyfriend I was just too tired and wasn't going. I did not do drugs or drink. He offered me speed and said it would keep me up. He left for an hour so I could get ready after I took the speed. He told me later that when he came back I was so asleep he could not wake me. (I did respond somewhat, not unconcious) and I slept for 13 hours straight. One other time when I was 26 I tried Cocaine. Same response. Slept for an entire day. So maybe there is something to the thought that it slows down the brain of kids with ADHD? Maybe it was just me. Maybe God was protecting me? Or maybe my brain works differently than those who do not have ADHD? I can only say that it happened to me. I am so glad your son has you to speak for him and to protect him!
If you look at the statistics of antidepressant and adhd drug use, it has exploded in recent years for kids. Why? Big pharma profits. You have BABIES being prescribed drugs they shouldn’t need.
There is also evidence that some of these school shooters had been on high dose antidepressants or had their dosages increased when they committed these crimes. But is that discussed in the media? NO! Because it would call into question if these drugs are hurting kids.
I worked in children's mental health for quite a few years and was privy to the ways and means that psychatropes are prescribed and administered.
We would get intakes who at the age of ten could dry swallow a handful of pills. Gradually tapering the dose until they were "clean" would then reveal the personality of the child. Fascinating stuff. I can assure you that despite the fact that the organization I work for was decent, the practices were not. Children were essentially guinea pigs. Throw some meds at them and see what sticks.
And add to this already toxic mix that all of these drugs can be diverted and ingested in ways not originally intended. Just about everything can be crushed and snorted so the delivery of the drug through the mucosal membranes is instantaneous and more powerful.
Actually, in TN the gov recently added an amendment to a anti 2A bill that was submitted & created a seemingly random list of 10 Psyc drugs that if filled would eliminate one’s ability to carry/purchase guns...
🤔Makes one wonder if they only pay attention to facts that help their narrative. If they really cared they’d ban the drugs 🤯
If government can create random laws that would make one who believes in the 2A a felon because say they have the wrong trigger or get prescribed a drug the trusted white coat hands them, then they can no longer vote!
Sounds like a rx I had . Provigil , didn’t like it, felt too much like cocaine! For a sleep disorder. A friend in her 20’s takes adderall, she’s a student teacher & is pretending to be a lesbian because she’s afraid of men , but I digress.
😂
Love that. Pretending! It's true. So many are.
There is a connection between ADHD and mouth breathers. That is likely why their gums were very red.
Isn’t that interesting… I wonder then if ADHD is related to nitric oxide levels in the brain 🧐
Wow
Look at this-
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4523066/
Ah! I see. Interesting.