The origins of the Land of Israel, come from the Biblical account when Abraham obeyed God and He promised him the land that He showed him. Genesis 15:18 says "On the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram saying, To your descendants I have given this land, FROM the river of Egypt TO the great river Eupharates. So truly, where Israel sits today, is only but a portion of his inheritance... When King Jesus sits on His throne in Jerusalem, His Kingdom will have true borders...
In Gen 17:8 God again tells Abram, "Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession: and I will be their God.
The passages are well taken, but I think Elaine Rusky also has a point worthy of good consideration.
Further, those descendants of Abram, then Abraham, became many tribes, in addition to the semitics who became Muslim and those we call Jews. Of these, Jacob (Grandson of Abraham, and son of Isaac and Rebecca) sired (with Rachel and Lea and 2 servants) the 12 tribes of Israel, the people which we think of as the Jews. It was through them the Law, Moses, the prophets, and Christ Himself came. They’re honored in scripture but also are a picture of dishonor. Many descendants of these tribes of Israel scattered to other places as well and lost their identity.
The thing is, the many tribes descended from Abraham not via Jacob/Israel would also be heir to those promises in the Bible which you quote. Yes, the Jews (those of Jacob/Israel) were set apart by God. They were given much else besides. But the greatest gift was Jesus the lamb of God, the Savior, God’s only son, the King of Kings. I cannot conceive of such rejection of God’s greatest and clearest gift, while appropriating all the lesser ones, especially entitlement to a political, secular state and territory, guaranteed from its inception to be at war with its neighbors, being sanctified.
There’s too much to write here, but we know that the consummate Jew, Paul wrote to the Galatians, “There is now neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.“ (Gal. 3:28)
HE is who and what defines God’s people, not a name, heritage, race, status, or history. Not origins or bloodlines or ancestry. In Christ, Jew and Gentile are both one.
As Christians, If we want a homeland for Jews, we should lead them first to the Father by way of the only way to him, via their true Messiah. Then they will be home. If we love them — as we are told to do — first is to seek and serve the kingdom of God. Then all thing will be added by Him. If we love them, as we ought to love all men, we must keep this in mind. But it obviously presents in this day a fine needle to thread. Love, mercy and humble heart will go a long way. Peace.
When Abraham pleaded with God to allow Ishmael to live before him, to inherit the Blessing, God specifically told him that Abraham's line would be counted through the son of Promise: Isaac... Even though God blessed Ishmael and gave him 12 sons, the Messiah came through Jacob's lineage. You are correct that in Christ there is neither Jew or Gentile, slave or free... IN CHRIST God is NOT done with His people Israel... the land He gave them is theirs in perpetuity...
I think you are conflating the Israel of the Old Testament (God's chosen people, through Abraham) with the modern country, Israel. I think "Israel" today is spiritual (the church) and not an ethnic group of people. I say that because there are no ethnic Jews today. They intermarried constantly throughout history, and they are now indistinguishable from any other mideastern people, from a genetic standpoint. Here's an article about the spiritual nation of Israel:
There's a short article here that gives the basic scriptures leading to this concept of Israel. It has a lot of annoying popups, which you can eventually block by saying you already subscribed. (I don't think there's anything to subscribe to).
I know. I grew up in the ‘church’, my father was a pastor who loved Israel and did not misinterpret the Word for the convenience of ‘Jew haters’. The Word says what He says. He is not a capricious God and states over and over and over that Israel is HIS, and as long as the sun and starts remain, Israel will remain His.
We are grafted in when we accept z Yeshua, but when we brag AGAINST Israel? He says he will lop us off that olive tree . I have a reverence for the Word that He is either TRUTH or He isn’t. And I have found that He does NOT lie. Israel is His. And I am Israel chai, as a result of Yeshua the Messiah.
The grafting of a wild olive branch takes three days. Resurrection=3 days.
But we can be cut off just as easily as we were grafted in. It is a dangerous thing to come against His Chosen people.
I know what you are saying, as my late mother was an ardent premillenialist and we discussed the issue quite often. I'm not trying to be fissiparous. God is sovereign.
https://truthcomestolight.com/zionism-and-the-creation-of-israel/?fbclid=IwAR1P8xqf-3zfDMT4cKBqvqRitX0MaXIHkmOplDVcKPm3Nwy5u0wmvu98I58
This is pretty a straight forward simplistic account (from what I've learned through the years) of the origins of the state of Israel.
The origins of the Land of Israel, come from the Biblical account when Abraham obeyed God and He promised him the land that He showed him. Genesis 15:18 says "On the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram saying, To your descendants I have given this land, FROM the river of Egypt TO the great river Eupharates. So truly, where Israel sits today, is only but a portion of his inheritance... When King Jesus sits on His throne in Jerusalem, His Kingdom will have true borders...
In Gen 17:8 God again tells Abram, "Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession: and I will be their God.
To me, THIS IS PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD...
The passages are well taken, but I think Elaine Rusky also has a point worthy of good consideration.
Further, those descendants of Abram, then Abraham, became many tribes, in addition to the semitics who became Muslim and those we call Jews. Of these, Jacob (Grandson of Abraham, and son of Isaac and Rebecca) sired (with Rachel and Lea and 2 servants) the 12 tribes of Israel, the people which we think of as the Jews. It was through them the Law, Moses, the prophets, and Christ Himself came. They’re honored in scripture but also are a picture of dishonor. Many descendants of these tribes of Israel scattered to other places as well and lost their identity.
The thing is, the many tribes descended from Abraham not via Jacob/Israel would also be heir to those promises in the Bible which you quote. Yes, the Jews (those of Jacob/Israel) were set apart by God. They were given much else besides. But the greatest gift was Jesus the lamb of God, the Savior, God’s only son, the King of Kings. I cannot conceive of such rejection of God’s greatest and clearest gift, while appropriating all the lesser ones, especially entitlement to a political, secular state and territory, guaranteed from its inception to be at war with its neighbors, being sanctified.
There’s too much to write here, but we know that the consummate Jew, Paul wrote to the Galatians, “There is now neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.“ (Gal. 3:28)
HE is who and what defines God’s people, not a name, heritage, race, status, or history. Not origins or bloodlines or ancestry. In Christ, Jew and Gentile are both one.
As Christians, If we want a homeland for Jews, we should lead them first to the Father by way of the only way to him, via their true Messiah. Then they will be home. If we love them — as we are told to do — first is to seek and serve the kingdom of God. Then all thing will be added by Him. If we love them, as we ought to love all men, we must keep this in mind. But it obviously presents in this day a fine needle to thread. Love, mercy and humble heart will go a long way. Peace.
(Jmo)
When Abraham pleaded with God to allow Ishmael to live before him, to inherit the Blessing, God specifically told him that Abraham's line would be counted through the son of Promise: Isaac... Even though God blessed Ishmael and gave him 12 sons, the Messiah came through Jacob's lineage. You are correct that in Christ there is neither Jew or Gentile, slave or free... IN CHRIST God is NOT done with His people Israel... the land He gave them is theirs in perpetuity...
I think you are conflating the Israel of the Old Testament (God's chosen people, through Abraham) with the modern country, Israel. I think "Israel" today is spiritual (the church) and not an ethnic group of people. I say that because there are no ethnic Jews today. They intermarried constantly throughout history, and they are now indistinguishable from any other mideastern people, from a genetic standpoint. Here's an article about the spiritual nation of Israel:
https://tinyurl.com/u8c8mwad
There's a short article here that gives the basic scriptures leading to this concept of Israel. It has a lot of annoying popups, which you can eventually block by saying you already subscribed. (I don't think there's anything to subscribe to).
https://thesacredfaith.co.uk/home/perma/1444556606/article/new-covenant-israel-is-no-long.html
The ‘church’ has NOT replaced Israel.
That’s a lie perpetrated by the ‘church’.
I know. I grew up in the ‘church’, my father was a pastor who loved Israel and did not misinterpret the Word for the convenience of ‘Jew haters’. The Word says what He says. He is not a capricious God and states over and over and over that Israel is HIS, and as long as the sun and starts remain, Israel will remain His.
We are grafted in when we accept z Yeshua, but when we brag AGAINST Israel? He says he will lop us off that olive tree . I have a reverence for the Word that He is either TRUTH or He isn’t. And I have found that He does NOT lie. Israel is His. And I am Israel chai, as a result of Yeshua the Messiah.
The grafting of a wild olive branch takes three days. Resurrection=3 days.
But we can be cut off just as easily as we were grafted in. It is a dangerous thing to come against His Chosen people.
I know what you are saying, as my late mother was an ardent premillenialist and we discussed the issue quite often. I'm not trying to be fissiparous. God is sovereign.