If you remove the education on pharmaceuticals, chiropractors have more education than medical doctors. They tend to be more well-versed in musculoskeletal conditions, exercise & stretching and nutrition/homeopathy than traditional doctors. I have one of the few good doctors but I still trust my chiropractor’s opinion more on most things.
The dr we went to a week ago had no idea what NAC or PQQ were. When asked why my husband took them I had to explain NAC is a precursor to glutathione which you need to purge your body from contaminents, toxins. Really?! I liked her Ok and pro freedom, but comeon. Our chiro would def know these!
Hi Liz- No you don’t. Glutathione alone is fine. So is NAC alone is fine. Some people have a hard time converting NaC to glutathione so taking glut straight is best. But NAC is low cost and I prefer the smell/taste is better. So. Sorry for the confusion!!!
Yes. Having been married to a chiropractor for 50 years, I feel like I had advanced training for withstanding this latest, more nefarious form of medical tyranny. If chiropractic was truly so unsafe, my husband’s malpractice insurance wouldn’t be less than $1,000.00 a year.
Is it possible that allopathic 'community' is facing a loss in patient numbers? I now have, twice since summer, received in the mail surveys on 'patient satisfaction' with the practice I am signed with (into the trash unopened)--and twice a phone survey (yesterday most recent) trying to get same info. Hung up. Never had this before.
Me too, Medicare, hospitals, now the power company. What is up with this? Taking our temperature to see how disgusted we are and how much we are catching on? My surveys are also unopened in the landfill or cyber space.
I would say yes. I asked my herbal mentor and she said she definitely sees an increase in interest from people, and they are largely coming from a 'don't trust msmedical community anymore' space. That's both from her teaching side, so more students, and her clinical side -more patients.
Hmm. I kept a variety of herb sections (culinary, household, medicinal) in my garden until about 20 years ago when life moved me into another direction. Four or five years ago I realized I wanted to re-establish the medicinal part, and did so in '21. What I find so interesting is that, 30 years ago, serious information on use of these herbs was scarce as hens' teeth. Now--there is so much available. I have spent so many hours taking advantage of PubMed/NIH (yes, really!) articles, and their references, to educate myself. This fall I have a shelf of dried material, tinctures, oil-extractions. And, for the first time, I am using these things. To advantage.
On the 'more students' side--I note in my own web browsings, the eagerness for medicinal herb 'courses' from people. Attesting to what your mentor mentions.
Hmm again. I was actually ready to answer the previous phone survey-"she" promised to call back at 8:30 next a.m.--never did--as I was now ready to express my disgust at the practice cowering in its Covidiocy. 2nd call, yesterday?, had someone speaking so slowly that my personal clock was ticking away--she gets paid for making the call by taking my time---was she getting paid by the minute?--I asked her to speak more quickly--she seemed unable to. Just a load of 'this survey at random over XXX people in the US sponsored by some federal something or other---I asked her to skip the boilerplate and get to the questions--she didn't so I "good-bye'd" her. Decided that may as well be a verb.
I never answer the phone or door so who knows if anyone called or came. Anyhow, I have gotten some strange mail. One was a survey that wanted to know all about my family, how much we earned, what we did, etc. It was quite invasive. They said they would send me $20 and more surveys, for which I got money/prizes. No. Hard pass. Creepy. The other pieces of junk seem to come from my insurance company: Hey- it's time for (fill in the blank with medical procedure)! I say hey, it's time for the trash can. Go away. I don't go to doctors anyhow but trust no one and nothing now.
I work for a chiro and I agree completely. I do massage, and the combo of chiro and massage can often keep people out of surgery. It’s not great for everything, but what chiro works for, it generally works really well for.
When my husband was in his mid-20's, he found out he had a pinched nerve. It was so bad the doctors said he needed surgery, but he was too young to have the surgery. If he did, over time, his vertebra would fail and he would need surgery after surgery. So they told him to live with the debilitating pain. He found an amazing chiropractor who healed him. Still doing fine in his 50s.
Yes! Exactly! I remind people all the time that when scientists have looked at MRI’s of people’s spines, both with and without back pain, they look the same. Everyone has some issues, but a significant portion of them can be overcome with good treatment, like chiro, massage, PT, other exercise therapy. Where I work we offer reformer Pilates and therapy and it often makes a huge difference. People... don’t ‘become’ your diagnosis.
I have had two significant injuries which Drs wanted to cure with a knife( sciatica and plantar fasciitis) both were chronic ,,,,about a year in length. A message therapist eliminated each malady (which were several years apart) with one 1hour therapeutic massage…..I also learned of the lymphatic system and it’s 2 drains from this person..
Good for you! Massage is great for some things, plantar fasciitis being one of them. Also frozen shoulder and carpal tunnel if you catch it early. Sciatica too, if it’s caused by tight hip rotators (piriformis syndrome) and not nerve compression at the spinal cord. I will say, it’s not that easy to find a massage therapist who really understands how to work on these things, but you’re most likely to find them in a chiro office or PT clinic. Or private practice, but def with a referral. Just probably less likely at a spa, even a fancy one.
I’m searching for a new chiropractor, but my last search found one who left me feeling physically assaulted. I had a great one in California that did muscle work before adjustment and she found one where I moved and explained how to treat me, but he retired. The last one just adjusted me without muscle work and it did no good.
Any idea how I can find one that knows how to actually treat people? My neck has been out for a week causing headaches…but I’m not willing to take a chance on another one who could do more harm than good. Muscle work is so important.
Yeah, me too. I am looking. I'll pop in for a comment if I find anyone, but I am not holding my breath.
This is gross and creepy, sorry, but I actually bought special pliers to remove teeth in 2020. With what was going on, I had no idea whether society was going to completely crash or not. I knew dentists would not let people in because of the "virus", and I knew I'd rather have a way to pull a tooth if the absolute worst thing happened and I was in so much pain I wanted to die. (I have teeth problems.) Luckily, the pliers remain in the drawer and I intend to keep them there.
I love mine. I was having hip problems when I started going 15 years ago. Turns out my hip was out of alignment. If I hadn’t started going regularly I know I would need a hip replacement now. Now I can feel when I’m out of alignment.
I do most deep tissue/injury treatment massage, often referred by a chiropractor. I’m also a certified personal trainer and yoga instructor so I can help people with strengthening & stretching exercises as well. Back surgery should be a last resort.
Agreed! Former LMT here. And I was good at it, mostly bc of all the A&P I took in college prior to massage school. Unfortunately I wore out my thumbs, didn’t take care of myself 😔
I've had frozen shoulder for a year. I was wondering if a massage therapist could help with that and if so, what should I ask for to know they can legit help me?
Frozen shoulder is more about the soft tissue than a skeletal misalignment. Until you get the shoulder moving across your ribcage again, chiro probably won’t be too helpful. Try massage first, then add in chiro when you have some of the movement back. My best suggestion for finding a massage therapist is to read their website. If they use terms like ‘orthopedic’ structural’ ‘medical’ etc you might be on the right track, you can also look at the training they’ve completed. You can then call and ask if they’ve ever worked on frozen shoulder and if they successfully treated it. Be careful of ‘therapeutic’ and ‘deep tissue’ as those are more generic terms and apply to a wide range of massage techniques. Good luck! I hope you find a good fit.
I should have also said that you’ll be more likely to find a massage therapist that does this kind of work at a chiro or PT, and you might even have insurance coverage for it. There are plenty of independent therapists that do this work too, many of whom will have a referral relationship with chiros and PTs, but it’s a good starting place.
Chiropractors are the only traditional medical group that survived the Rockefeller /Flexner purge of all practitioners not allopathic pill pushers. Still mocked, hounded, and laughed at, but legally allowed to practice. The only reason they survived is they banded together as a group and sued. took years, but they eventually won.
Yup. Which is why they can say 'this will help you' but herbalists have to dance around with 'this may support your body's natural processes, but don't take my word for it since I'm not a medical doctor'. But by golly, pharma can say 'safe and effective'!
Kelli - my DC has been doing Applied Kinesiology in his practice for decades - he is actually very sad about all the deaths from the jabs. Just trying to spread light in the darkness.
Well, I do remember Mark Levine telling about a friend who had a neck adjustment followed by a stroke and said he had heard of this too many times and wasn’t going to let anyone mess with his neck. I know this was at least 10 years ago, because Mark became too loud and bombastic for my ears a very long time ago.
Somehow that stuck with me and I don’t want any neck adjustments.
My late mother (born in 1921) always talked about the chiropractic neck adjustment as being potentially dangerous, she believed that completely and wouldn't have it done. So it's not a new thing, she was talking about it in the 1970s.
I am too terrified to have my neck damaged and that is why I avoid chiropractors. When I say terrified, I mean terrified. One wrong move and I never walk again, and I would rather die than have no feeling below my neck. I just can't get past it. I understand they are professionals. I understand they are talented. I understand they are a million more times honest than the entire western medical system put together. But I'm too afraid. The one time I went, the guy tried to adjust my back and it refused to crack. He told me I had to relax. I couldn't. I was too scared.
Just sharing one little tidbit that I learned from my awesome chiropractor - on back pain.
A while back, I started experiencing extreme lower back pain after a traumatic emotional event. I knew it was related to fear/anger, as I had read abut that connection many times. My Chiro did some muscle testing and then went to work my diaphragm area -- pushing and massaging trigger points associate with the diaphragm. When I stood up, the pain was completely GONE.
Here's what I gleaned from a single visit: One of the ways emotions cause back pain is that stressful events tend to make us start breathing very shallow. (Flight response.) If this goes on for a prolonged period, it can cause the diaphragm to cramp up. The diaphragm has muscles attached to it that wrap around the body and attach to both the shoulder area and the lower back. Thus, those areas can start experiencing pain if the diaphragm is cramped. So this is the "mechanism" for how emotions can indeed cause back pain.
To this day, I use any hint of back pain as a reminder to reflect on my emotional state, and start doing deep breathing exercises.
The ones I know bought ultrasound machines and check for stenoses before manipulation. Still have the occasional vertebral artery issue, so wise to know your patient.
LOL. Chiropractors are used to this battle. They've seen it all before.
(Many of them are likely smiling at regular doctors, saying "See, I told you this was coming...")
Bring. It. On.
In my experience, Chiropractors are more likely to know how the body works than a Doctor.
If you remove the education on pharmaceuticals, chiropractors have more education than medical doctors. They tend to be more well-versed in musculoskeletal conditions, exercise & stretching and nutrition/homeopathy than traditional doctors. I have one of the few good doctors but I still trust my chiropractor’s opinion more on most things.
Many also have studied Functional medicine, thus making them valuable members in the medical community.
Agree.
1000%.
The dr we went to a week ago had no idea what NAC or PQQ were. When asked why my husband took them I had to explain NAC is a precursor to glutathione which you need to purge your body from contaminents, toxins. Really?! I liked her Ok and pro freedom, but comeon. Our chiro would def know these!
so i need to take the NAC first, then Glutathione? thanks! did not know this
No, the NAC is converted by your body to Glutathione.
thanks!
Hi Liz- No you don’t. Glutathione alone is fine. So is NAC alone is fine. Some people have a hard time converting NaC to glutathione so taking glut straight is best. But NAC is low cost and I prefer the smell/taste is better. So. Sorry for the confusion!!!
thank you so much!
Anthony, Absolutely ... and they are generslly holistic!
... as are osteopathic doctors.
Some DOs adhere to same stuff as MDs. Unfortunately.
Yes. Having been married to a chiropractor for 50 years, I feel like I had advanced training for withstanding this latest, more nefarious form of medical tyranny. If chiropractic was truly so unsafe, my husband’s malpractice insurance wouldn’t be less than $1,000.00 a year.
Is it possible that allopathic 'community' is facing a loss in patient numbers? I now have, twice since summer, received in the mail surveys on 'patient satisfaction' with the practice I am signed with (into the trash unopened)--and twice a phone survey (yesterday most recent) trying to get same info. Hung up. Never had this before.
Me too, Medicare, hospitals, now the power company. What is up with this? Taking our temperature to see how disgusted we are and how much we are catching on? My surveys are also unopened in the landfill or cyber space.
I’m not giving them any data!
I would say yes. I asked my herbal mentor and she said she definitely sees an increase in interest from people, and they are largely coming from a 'don't trust msmedical community anymore' space. That's both from her teaching side, so more students, and her clinical side -more patients.
Hmm. I kept a variety of herb sections (culinary, household, medicinal) in my garden until about 20 years ago when life moved me into another direction. Four or five years ago I realized I wanted to re-establish the medicinal part, and did so in '21. What I find so interesting is that, 30 years ago, serious information on use of these herbs was scarce as hens' teeth. Now--there is so much available. I have spent so many hours taking advantage of PubMed/NIH (yes, really!) articles, and their references, to educate myself. This fall I have a shelf of dried material, tinctures, oil-extractions. And, for the first time, I am using these things. To advantage.
On the 'more students' side--I note in my own web browsings, the eagerness for medicinal herb 'courses' from people. Attesting to what your mentor mentions.
Vote with your shoes and your wallet. They'll figure it out eventually.
No they won't. They'll just 'double down'. Witness the higher-ups' refusal to admit that the Covid jabs are lethal.
Everytime my husband gets home from an appt there is a survey in his email. 🙄
Hmm again. I was actually ready to answer the previous phone survey-"she" promised to call back at 8:30 next a.m.--never did--as I was now ready to express my disgust at the practice cowering in its Covidiocy. 2nd call, yesterday?, had someone speaking so slowly that my personal clock was ticking away--she gets paid for making the call by taking my time---was she getting paid by the minute?--I asked her to speak more quickly--she seemed unable to. Just a load of 'this survey at random over XXX people in the US sponsored by some federal something or other---I asked her to skip the boilerplate and get to the questions--she didn't so I "good-bye'd" her. Decided that may as well be a verb.
I never answer the phone or door so who knows if anyone called or came. Anyhow, I have gotten some strange mail. One was a survey that wanted to know all about my family, how much we earned, what we did, etc. It was quite invasive. They said they would send me $20 and more surveys, for which I got money/prizes. No. Hard pass. Creepy. The other pieces of junk seem to come from my insurance company: Hey- it's time for (fill in the blank with medical procedure)! I say hey, it's time for the trash can. Go away. I don't go to doctors anyhow but trust no one and nothing now.
Wow! My doctors malpractice for him and 2 nurses was $20,000. a month! And he’s family practice- one of the cheaper categories.
Wow! That is truly amazing.
I work for a chiro and I agree completely. I do massage, and the combo of chiro and massage can often keep people out of surgery. It’s not great for everything, but what chiro works for, it generally works really well for.
When my husband was in his mid-20's, he found out he had a pinched nerve. It was so bad the doctors said he needed surgery, but he was too young to have the surgery. If he did, over time, his vertebra would fail and he would need surgery after surgery. So they told him to live with the debilitating pain. He found an amazing chiropractor who healed him. Still doing fine in his 50s.
Yes! Exactly! I remind people all the time that when scientists have looked at MRI’s of people’s spines, both with and without back pain, they look the same. Everyone has some issues, but a significant portion of them can be overcome with good treatment, like chiro, massage, PT, other exercise therapy. Where I work we offer reformer Pilates and therapy and it often makes a huge difference. People... don’t ‘become’ your diagnosis.
Yep - treating the MRI instead of the patient led to many with “failed back syndrome.”
We see so many of those folks, unfortunately after the failed back surgery.
I have had two significant injuries which Drs wanted to cure with a knife( sciatica and plantar fasciitis) both were chronic ,,,,about a year in length. A message therapist eliminated each malady (which were several years apart) with one 1hour therapeutic massage…..I also learned of the lymphatic system and it’s 2 drains from this person..
Good for you! Massage is great for some things, plantar fasciitis being one of them. Also frozen shoulder and carpal tunnel if you catch it early. Sciatica too, if it’s caused by tight hip rotators (piriformis syndrome) and not nerve compression at the spinal cord. I will say, it’s not that easy to find a massage therapist who really understands how to work on these things, but you’re most likely to find them in a chiro office or PT clinic. Or private practice, but def with a referral. Just probably less likely at a spa, even a fancy one.
I’m searching for a new chiropractor, but my last search found one who left me feeling physically assaulted. I had a great one in California that did muscle work before adjustment and she found one where I moved and explained how to treat me, but he retired. The last one just adjusted me without muscle work and it did no good.
Any idea how I can find one that knows how to actually treat people? My neck has been out for a week causing headaches…but I’m not willing to take a chance on another one who could do more harm than good. Muscle work is so important.
One suggestion: look for a Palmer School graduate. They've been teaching holistic methods for decades.
Definitely. Both previous ones were trained there. Will there be a bio in their online posts? Just not sure where to look.
Thanks.
I haven't used this feature, but maybe it will help. It's a "Find a Chiropractor" page on the Palmer School website: https://www.palmer.edu/find-a-chiropractor-map/
Thanks for that! Now if anyone has ideas on how to find a non-Covidiot dentist.....
Yeah, me too. I am looking. I'll pop in for a comment if I find anyone, but I am not holding my breath.
This is gross and creepy, sorry, but I actually bought special pliers to remove teeth in 2020. With what was going on, I had no idea whether society was going to completely crash or not. I knew dentists would not let people in because of the "virus", and I knew I'd rather have a way to pull a tooth if the absolute worst thing happened and I was in so much pain I wanted to die. (I have teeth problems.) Luckily, the pliers remain in the drawer and I intend to keep them there.
Wow! Hope they can stay there.
Very useful, thanks.
My chiro's office also has massage and acupuncture. When I got plantar fasciitis, I went in for acupuncture. It cured it and never came back.
I’m not surprised... Acupuncture can be similar in effect to trigger point massage work.
I love mine. I was having hip problems when I started going 15 years ago. Turns out my hip was out of alignment. If I hadn’t started going regularly I know I would need a hip replacement now. Now I can feel when I’m out of alignment.
I’m also a massage therapist and I totally agree!
Do you do this type of work too?
I do most deep tissue/injury treatment massage, often referred by a chiropractor. I’m also a certified personal trainer and yoga instructor so I can help people with strengthening & stretching exercises as well. Back surgery should be a last resort.
Amen! It’s the best profession, IMHO
Agreed! Former LMT here. And I was good at it, mostly bc of all the A&P I took in college prior to massage school. Unfortunately I wore out my thumbs, didn’t take care of myself 😔
It’s definitely a profession that’s hard on the body!
I've had frozen shoulder for a year. I was wondering if a massage therapist could help with that and if so, what should I ask for to know they can legit help me?
There’s this..
https://blocktherapy.com/
It’s amazing
Frozen shoulder is more about the soft tissue than a skeletal misalignment. Until you get the shoulder moving across your ribcage again, chiro probably won’t be too helpful. Try massage first, then add in chiro when you have some of the movement back. My best suggestion for finding a massage therapist is to read their website. If they use terms like ‘orthopedic’ structural’ ‘medical’ etc you might be on the right track, you can also look at the training they’ve completed. You can then call and ask if they’ve ever worked on frozen shoulder and if they successfully treated it. Be careful of ‘therapeutic’ and ‘deep tissue’ as those are more generic terms and apply to a wide range of massage techniques. Good luck! I hope you find a good fit.
I should have also said that you’ll be more likely to find a massage therapist that does this kind of work at a chiro or PT, and you might even have insurance coverage for it. There are plenty of independent therapists that do this work too, many of whom will have a referral relationship with chiros and PTs, but it’s a good starting place.
I agree!
Chiropractors are the only traditional medical group that survived the Rockefeller /Flexner purge of all practitioners not allopathic pill pushers. Still mocked, hounded, and laughed at, but legally allowed to practice. The only reason they survived is they banded together as a group and sued. took years, but they eventually won.
Yup. Which is why they can say 'this will help you' but herbalists have to dance around with 'this may support your body's natural processes, but don't take my word for it since I'm not a medical doctor'. But by golly, pharma can say 'safe and effective'!
That is an EXCELLENT point!
Kelli - my DC has been doing Applied Kinesiology in his practice for decades - he is actually very sad about all the deaths from the jabs. Just trying to spread light in the darkness.
Mine too. He saved me from "modern" medicine. I have so many stories I could write a small book. So I did. ;-). (Not here to sell, so won't post it.)
Well, I do remember Mark Levine telling about a friend who had a neck adjustment followed by a stroke and said he had heard of this too many times and wasn’t going to let anyone mess with his neck. I know this was at least 10 years ago, because Mark became too loud and bombastic for my ears a very long time ago.
Somehow that stuck with me and I don’t want any neck adjustments.
My late mother (born in 1921) always talked about the chiropractic neck adjustment as being potentially dangerous, she believed that completely and wouldn't have it done. So it's not a new thing, she was talking about it in the 1970s.
I am too terrified to have my neck damaged and that is why I avoid chiropractors. When I say terrified, I mean terrified. One wrong move and I never walk again, and I would rather die than have no feeling below my neck. I just can't get past it. I understand they are professionals. I understand they are talented. I understand they are a million more times honest than the entire western medical system put together. But I'm too afraid. The one time I went, the guy tried to adjust my back and it refused to crack. He told me I had to relax. I couldn't. I was too scared.
I can relate! I’ve never gone to one.
The only person I know of that had it happen was Kevin Sorbo. It was a crazy fluke.
Just sharing one little tidbit that I learned from my awesome chiropractor - on back pain.
A while back, I started experiencing extreme lower back pain after a traumatic emotional event. I knew it was related to fear/anger, as I had read abut that connection many times. My Chiro did some muscle testing and then went to work my diaphragm area -- pushing and massaging trigger points associate with the diaphragm. When I stood up, the pain was completely GONE.
Here's what I gleaned from a single visit: One of the ways emotions cause back pain is that stressful events tend to make us start breathing very shallow. (Flight response.) If this goes on for a prolonged period, it can cause the diaphragm to cramp up. The diaphragm has muscles attached to it that wrap around the body and attach to both the shoulder area and the lower back. Thus, those areas can start experiencing pain if the diaphragm is cramped. So this is the "mechanism" for how emotions can indeed cause back pain.
To this day, I use any hint of back pain as a reminder to reflect on my emotional state, and start doing deep breathing exercises.
The ones I know bought ultrasound machines and check for stenoses before manipulation. Still have the occasional vertebral artery issue, so wise to know your patient.