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Mark Oshinskie's avatar

Amen, Jeff.

As a multi-party civil litigator for 30 years, this overall scenario resembles much of what I've done/seen. Tremendous delay is built into the process. Superhuman patience is required. I hope that the plaintiffs have the stamina to stay with this.

B/c the stakes are much higher than any case I've done.

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JohnS's avatar

Mark, in cases like this involving government officials, are there every any consequences if the government loses the case?

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YYR's avatar

That's what I'm trying to figure out. Suing government a toes in their official capacity offers limited to no liability, same for suing pHarma companies. It's why they act like they're bulletproof. They need personal accountability. "I was just following orders" doesn't cut it with illegal orders, these criminals abused govt power, the people's power, to abuse the people and deprive us of our civil liberties. The Russiagate FBI cretins took out insurance to cover their malfeasance for a reason, shows consciousness of guilt and suggests they can be held personally accountable. So who else took these policies? The veil of sovereign immunity must be pierced for anything to change.

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Jon Stephenson's avatar

Do we know if the new MO solicitor is as committed to this as Schmidt?

My worry is that he wouldn't pursue it as enthusiastically.

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YYR's avatar

Landry is a warrior, has been fighting his own governor throughout covid, and has announced his intention to run for governor of LA. I recall hearing the new MO AG is also good. This case is a boon to red AGs. I'm surprised more states have not joined on.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Maybe the ones who might be interested don’t have residents who were targeted? I don’t know how all of that works so I could be way off base.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

I live in Missouri and from what I’ve seen so far, our new AG Andrew Bailey is going to be a fighter. Whether he’s able to live up to former AG Eric Schmitt remains to be seen but I’m hopeful.

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Kim's avatar

Yes, I met AG Andrew Bailey at a reception following the Republican Women Show Me Conference Jan. 21. It was wonderfully encouraging. He is young, energetic, former marine, has adopted two children (they accompanied him) through his legal involvement I believe with foster care before just recently having their own child. He promised he would continue the fight that Eric Schmitt began. He impressed me to be a man of high integrity, honor, and definitely loves our country as our founders envisioned not as the communists want to remake. He is speaking this Saturday in Springfield at the Republican Women Luncheon during Lincoln Days this Friday night through Sunday noon.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Thank you for sharing all this!! I’m encouraged! I haven’t been able to be at any of the Republican events this year as we’ve been out of town and won’t be home for a few more weeks. I hope our paths cross someday…what part of the state are you in?

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Julie Ann B's avatar

I’m in the south part of Kansas City in Cass County. If you ever get up to KC reach out to me and hopefully we can meet. Or possibly at a GOP event.

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Kim's avatar

South Central. Hopefully, our paths will cross. We seem to be very like minded.

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Donna in MO's avatar

Bailey is young and relatively inexperienced guy but he is a veteran. https://www.naag.org/attorney-general/andrew-bailey/ Our gov who appointed him is a RINO and there was some organized opposition to him due some disparaging remarks he made regarding AG Schmidt, but honestly there was very little background on him. He has stayed out of the public eye. But so far have not seen any reason to criticize him, although I will admit he makes a lot fewer headlines than the past AG, and because he was appointed, will need to run in 2024. He has never held elected office. No doubt the long knives will be out for him on the left, and possibly some from within the R party as well, candidates who were on the short list that were not chosen. So while Bailey is inexperienced, not sure how much work is done by the AG as it is their staff. Schmitt had time to run for office despite filing a plethora of lawsuits, so suspect a lot of the work with his name on it is not technically his work.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Thank you for the information. I was watching anxiously to see who Gov Parson would appoint and hoped he would ask for input from Eric Schmitt when he won his race for Senate. I agree that Parson is a weak governor; he’s there to get along and enjoy the office. We have to work hard to get a solid conservative governor when Parson’s term is up.

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Donna in MO's avatar

Oh and I don't think Jay Ashcroft is it. Have met him several times, he is a frequent speaker and even came to campaign events to help raise money for some of the local state reps, and seems like a good person, but I have friends who are very involved in election integrity issues and they say Ashcroft has not done nearly enough to shore up election integrity in the state, and that he pays a lot of lip service to it but does not do the work. So I have crossed him off my list, of course, pending on who else the alternates are. Bill Eigel came and spoke at a We the People group I belong to and he rubbed me totally the wrong way, although most of the crowd lapped him up. I asked him about the failure of the Senate to get anything done last year and he dodged the issue saying 'oh failing to pass more laws is a good thing'. My response was what about school choice, parents bill of rights, property tax reform and other legislation that should have been passed, and he ignored me. He was part of the logjam last year over a supposed 7-1 map that would have never survived a court challenge, and his PAC smeared people with half truths over some amendment votes.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

I’ve called Ashcrofts office repeatedly regarding election integrity. Has not returned calls or followed up with an email. That ERIC group they hired to oversee our voter rolls is a Soros funded group. Rick Brattin has been very responsive to calls and to the election integrity group I’ve been part of. Gov Parson has been oblivious.

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Donna in MO's avatar

I campaigned for Schmitt and got to meet him a few times. I asked him at his last minute rally right before the election if he had any sway into the selection of his replacement and he sort of laughed and said, technically, no, but that he would have 'a little bit' of input, so who knows. But I do know that Former U.S. Attorney Tim Garrison and state Sen. Tony Luetkemeyer are both eying 2024 and Luetkemeyer has a big war chest already. I don't know Garrison well, although his sending me a FB friend request is a tell that he has aspirations. Don't care for Tony Luetkemeyer, he is not in my area, but ran a very nasty and negative campaign against his primary opponent in 2018, via attack ad experts Axiom Strategies, which is a black mark in my book, I prefer candidates that run on issues vs smear campaigns.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Thanks for the information. I’ll be watching closely. I’m in Cass County, very conservative, so the GOP usually has good and reliable information, too. They’ve been hitting election integrity hard!

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Donna in MO's avatar

Well I am in Jackson County, but met Athena Brattin and James Woods at an AFP event on Saturday. Brattin is running for school board against some incumbents who are total 'yes- men' to the Superintendent and are not questioning anything going on. She is Sen Brattin's wife. Woods is running for the Cass County Regional Medical Board to shake things up there, he is retired military and a very sharp guy. Really liked both of them, you should look them up.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

I’ve briefly met Athena Brattin at a Cass County meeting and was very impressed with her. I really like Rick Brattin as well. I’ll look into James Wood but I believe we’re likeminded politically and your information is valuable to me.

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nancy knox-bierman's avatar

Seriously. Just the styling of the complaint would boggle my mind.

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