Although I agree with you in principle, the USA does very much have business in the Ukraine and in fact has for decades running. The US State Dept and adjunctive organs have twice in one decade stage a coup and effectively overthrown the government in Kiev. Most recently in 2014 this led to a civil conflict very much engineered by the US…
Although I agree with you in principle, the USA does very much have business in the Ukraine and in fact has for decades running. The US State Dept and adjunctive organs have twice in one decade stage a coup and effectively overthrown the government in Kiev. Most recently in 2014 this led to a civil conflict very much engineered by the USA, which included funding arming and training. Then there is the issue of the bio-labs which has also proven to be non fiction.
Being born and raised in the USA myself, I suffer from a deficit in most things historical and geographical and have thus had to educate myself in matters post-Soviet and Eastern European. It turns out that Since the Second World War Ukraine has been embroiled in some rather nasty business and at it’s conclusion had the unlovely “privilege” of being groomed by our then budding Alphabet Agency sometimes known as The Company.
So you see, it’s all well and good to make claims that we have ‘no business’ in places like Ukraine, Syria, Iraq, et al but the the fact of the matter is that we very much do and none of it benefits a vast majority of the people in any of those nations including the USA.
At Least Joe B. is consistent toward Afghanistan; his policy of leaving the country was matched by the way he stored his notes and classified documents in a torn, ignored, stained box randomly tossed into an unused mildewed garage next to his old Hustler magazine collection
I have a good friend who has spent years monkey wrenching in the affairs of other nations notable Ukraine and Russia…he even earned a felony charge in the USA for it….What exactly is your point?!
Chevrus, I think you're confusing "the 'is'" and "the 'ought.'" You are correct on the 'is,' what is happening and has happened. Jack is correct on, and I think he meant to be commenting on, the 'ought,' what ought to be. I think you agree with each other.
Although I agree with you in principle, the USA does very much have business in the Ukraine and in fact has for decades running. The US State Dept and adjunctive organs have twice in one decade stage a coup and effectively overthrown the government in Kiev. Most recently in 2014 this led to a civil conflict very much engineered by the USA, which included funding arming and training. Then there is the issue of the bio-labs which has also proven to be non fiction.
Being born and raised in the USA myself, I suffer from a deficit in most things historical and geographical and have thus had to educate myself in matters post-Soviet and Eastern European. It turns out that Since the Second World War Ukraine has been embroiled in some rather nasty business and at it’s conclusion had the unlovely “privilege” of being groomed by our then budding Alphabet Agency sometimes known as The Company.
So you see, it’s all well and good to make claims that we have ‘no business’ in places like Ukraine, Syria, Iraq, et al but the the fact of the matter is that we very much do and none of it benefits a vast majority of the people in any of those nations including the USA.
But the fact that we've been meddling (and worse) in those countries doesn't mean we should have business there.
At Least Joe B. is consistent toward Afghanistan; his policy of leaving the country was matched by the way he stored his notes and classified documents in a torn, ignored, stained box randomly tossed into an unused mildewed garage next to his old Hustler magazine collection
Your apt description of the treatment of those classified documents is a good metaphor for the treatment of Americans these past several years.
accurate
Thus proving Emerson's point.
Yes, I took the original comment of ‘has no business’ as ‘has no legitimate reason’ to be there. The U.S. is way out of its lane.
Are crack houses and bio-labs considered "business"?
The CDC, Hunter, and Sloppy Joe define them safe and effective businesses.
and money laundering and Sex trafficking?
I have a good friend with 12 University credits in Russian history. We have no business in a Russian Civil conflict.
I have a good friend who has spent years monkey wrenching in the affairs of other nations notable Ukraine and Russia…he even earned a felony charge in the USA for it….What exactly is your point?!
I think it's amazing that anyone from the company ever faced any charges for their "fun and games"
would like to hear more on that!
Yes, we very much do, and it benefits few Americans or anybody else, which justifies the founding principle of avoiding foreign entanglements.
Chevrus, I think you're confusing "the 'is'" and "the 'ought.'" You are correct on the 'is,' what is happening and has happened. Jack is correct on, and I think he meant to be commenting on, the 'ought,' what ought to be. I think you agree with each other.