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Roger Beal's avatar

Putin's speeches over the past decade, both with English translated voices and English text, are available at http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts and also at https://www.miragenews.com/full-text-of-putin-state-of-nation-speech-21-951701/ ... There are other sources as well.

If you read / listen to a few of these, you'll discover that Putin said nothing new to Carlson. In other words, Putin did not craft a speshul package of lies for Tucker's American audience. What Vlad said to Tucker is basically what he says to everyone.

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Neil Kellen's avatar

You are mostly right - nothing new if you follow it. But the vast majority of US citizens don't follow it, and many millions do follow Tucker and many millions more will watch this interview.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Correct. Tucker provided "authorization" for many folks to hear a POV usually reserved for us political junkies.

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Neil Kellen's avatar

And that makes me smile - it's a good thing!

Imagine the product and impact if Tucker and Rogan were to collaborate on something!

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liz's avatar

Tucker , Rogan and Trump!

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Neil Kellen's avatar

I would pay $500 to see them on the same stage! That would be a great time!

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daverkb's avatar

This is correct just as you say. And it is vital to know this in that consistency of expression is important. Even more important is what Putin did not say but said in the past. And knowing that add a whole new tone of conciliation. (But also, the basic history was packaged into the interview, and in a nice way.)

My guess is that a war settlement is already being considered and negotiated. Putin is one of the greatest of political figures of all time, a very shrewd and precise negotiator ... and it will tell us a whole lot about where the United States goes from here. It is either a volt-face pivot or down the drain. This is indeed the point where history goes one way or another.

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FH's avatar

The link goes to an article published on January 29 of this year.

While the topic of the article delves into a topic not addressed in today’s discussion (close to 750 comments by the time I got here, so maybe somewhere it is addressed) pertinent to this thread is that this article supports your thesis that negotiations are already underway.

“Turkey established themselves as the neutral entity for future brokering negotiations between Russia and Ukraine.”

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/01/29/the-broker-vladimir-putin-and-recep-tayyip-erdogan-schedule-meeting-in-turkey-next-month/

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daverkb's avatar

Thanks FM ... an excellent link.

I agree with most of the article. And Sanctioning and SWIFT weaponization was the last straw for the Western Central Banking Cartel. Ever since that moment, advised against by Fed, something had to give and do so in a big way. Now it is all about saving the Franchise against further de-dollarization erosion. But the lead grey countries on the map will not cooperate. Why should they? After all, no one wants to be beaten up on a regular basis by the freaks who were running the Collective West clown show.

Milei and Argentina may be the first signal that grey map countries are not all totally grey. Central and South American business relations are very, very tightly integrated. And so, I am not sure entirely what will happen. But the business as usual for the USD is over and there will be as is already emerging, a new world financial money transaction system. And it may look a lot more like the old system before dollar transcendence before the outcomes of WWII changed everything.

I keep coming back to Putin's History Lesson. All that time was not spent by accident, without a purpose. And the United States saving face may involve large border changes, all at the expense of the Ukraine who will wish that they never did get in tight with the Americans and their tawdry little empire. Hell! Even the elite rulers who got themselves into to this fix might wish that they never heard of the word Ukraine.

Thinking that Russia could be collapsed is probably the biggest miscalculation to date of the 21st century.

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Barbara ( Portlander😵‍💫)'s avatar

Didn’t he say this is nothing new?

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