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Alison Smith's avatar

But people don't realize that pediatricians get these same bonuses per patient for every child that is vaccinated. It's all a big scam. Don't get me wrong, I believe children should get some basic vaccinations, but the vaccination schedule has ballooned in the last 30 years. Way too many.

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PamelaZelie's avatar

I’m rethinking if children need any vaccinations.

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Alison Smith's avatar

If my children were babies again I think I would skip all vaxxes, but they are grown now. My 16 year old will not get the HPV or meningitis vaccine or any more flu shots, that’s for sure.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Just spoke with an acquaintance Friday--his children, ages 16-23, have never had any vax at all, not any, not ever. And healthy as all get out, he says. But he looks around at nieces and nephews--all vaxxed, all sick frequently.

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Banjocat's avatar

You can find evidence of this among most chiropractors that typically do not vax their children. The data is there but if the health agencies do not want to look at it then it remains anecdotal, and so, easy to dismiss. Statistics are a poor representation of truth because it can be so easily manipulated. I wish people would stop relying on picture graphs and computer models and instead believe their own eyes and use common sense.

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Smatse's avatar

I asked my chiropractor if his kids are vaxxed. He said no. They are very healthy family. Meanwhile 3 of my kids have high-functioning autism. At least I breastfed them...

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J Boss's avatar

Anecdotal, but I hear of 1-3 people I work with sick every week (of a pool around 50). Never heard it at all before COVID vax attack.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Had trouble this a.m. reaching live person at PT practice---'we're missing a lot of people'--not the first time I have heard that from them. I always wonder if they had such staffing issues before '20.

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Loretta's avatar

But unless. you homeschool your children and never send them to camps, you can't get past the vaxx requirements for children.

Maybe not the end of the world, but it would be a very unique family that can handle those constraints.

And colleges will get you again if you by-pass the above. So they'd have to find a way to make their living without a degree. Again, certainly not impossible. But rare these days for all of the above together.

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SYFY's avatar

Many states have religious exemptions so they can go to school unvaxxed.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I think that summer camp has long (60 years or more) had an 'I'll pay you for babysitting my kid while school is out' aspect to it. As a one-income, mother-at-home-raising-children family, we never had money for such. And homeschooling implies a parent at home, so no need for 'external parenting'. Regarding college, I notice sprouting up programs which offer a path to a career without college. This vax mandate thing must have brought a lot of parental minds into a new way of considering their children's future---the heavy debt load undertaken by so many, without much confidence in that debt leading to a high salary, the productive youthful years spent sitting in a lecture hall.....rather than being out 'doing' something. Just my take.

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Bonbon's avatar

Work to restore rights in your state. The exemptions get eroded by powerful lobbies. When we vacation in NYS we are limited in what activities our children can do. Ohio is much freer.

We homeschool, but we use colleges and without living on campus, it’s never been an issue.

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Natalie's avatar

Read "Turtles All the Way Down."

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TT's avatar

Life changing book.

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Crixcyon's avatar

You are thinking in the right direction.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Science says: you are correct

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Lana's avatar

I did that rethink before anyone was calling us anti-vaxxers. 🙏

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PamelaZelie's avatar

Good for you; I wish I had!!!

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AJ#2's avatar

It has ballooned from 1 simple law that removed their liability in 1986.

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Crixcyon's avatar

It's simple. If vaccines were safe and effective as big pharma claims, why would they need unlimited protection?

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Maureen ODH's avatar

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Truthseeker's avatar

Right. That’s why some pediatricians kick out noncompliant vaccine families. It hurts their bottom line net profits.

Ultimately you don’t want these type of people carrying for your kids- but it is happening in CT absolutely.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Even in Florida! I keep seeing on social media posts - moms looking for a pediatrician who will take their kids as patients even though they won’t vaxx them. They are having trouble finding ones. They are being turned away by all of them! It’s 🤯🤯🤯🤯

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Jean V's avatar

Maybe they don't need a pediatrician at all. Just a thought. What for? If your kids are healthy, they don't need to see a doctor.

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Truthseeker's avatar

It’s become that way. It’s how I feel now too. We only need the pedi for an occasional round of antibiotics… which you could now get at any walk in clinic.

The problem stems from needing any kind of school or camp form completed… that’s where you need a MDs signature… so essentially access to schools

If I had it to do over, I’d homeschool my three kids. But hindsight is always 20-20.

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J Boss's avatar

And outdoor activities where they make you get the tetanus vax. Had to get it for a boy scout camp trip (as an adult leader). If I'd known it was a vax, I'd have skipped it just like the pesky flu jab.

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Truthseeker's avatar

Yes

And be careful with the tetanus vaccine because certain brands still contain Mercury.

There is a mercury free tetanus version that you can request but you have to be knowledgeable enough to request it.

Tetanus vaccine is another scam! It is not even communicable and a lot of schools and college (try to) require it! 🤨

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Peter Schott's avatar

Sadly, you do sometimes need someone who will fill out a health form for camps and such. You can go w/ a GP, but they tend to be ignorant of things that affect really young children and not older people.

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Truthseeker's avatar

The pediatricians bread and butter have become the AAP vaccine series… sadly.

it’s very sad. Whereas when I was young, my mother tells a story of our long time hometown pediatrician telling my mother not to give me the polio vaccine …‘because I didn’t need it’

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Nikki's avatar

My kids are unvaxxed. We found a family doctor instead of a pediatrician. The first time we met with him (12 years ago) we had a discussion about vaccines and he has never brought it up again.

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ST's avatar

You were right the first time. Children don’t need any vaccinations. The basic vaccinations were the cause of complete indemnity (in 1986) to all vaccines.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

But then you might ask yourself, so why do I believe that children should get some 'basic' vaxxes? Which and why? Smallpox is 'eradicated'- although kept in at least one lab---I had always feared it could be leaked and my children, born between '78 and '87, with no smallpox vax, might be wiped out.

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J Boss's avatar

I believe in jabs that eradicate a REALLY deadly disease by REALLY stopping the spread and preventing infection. Everything else is a profit scam.

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