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Johnny-O's avatar

The IMF generally comes in and hollows out (even further) the middle class of countries.

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E.Z. Prine's avatar

Yes, IMF involvement is red flag here. Milei also turned down the invitation to join BRICS+. Looking more and more like he's a deep state/NWO asset. Not looking good for the Argentinian people.

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DefCon-Dan's avatar

No doubt the IMF loan offer was connected to his refusal to join BRICS+ and his decision to use the USD for their currency. He had originally decided to join BRICS+ then flipped on that at the same time deciding to use the USD. That sounds like some sort of backroom deal was made?

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AL's avatar

Yes he’s Argentina’s Trump- who may also be a deep state/NWO asset who simply says all the right things and keeps the fight/distraction going.

Jeff’s take is ridiculous IMO. The IMF giving him billions shows us that the IMF has come around? The good guys always win? That’s ridiculous. What REALLY bothers me is that I think Jeff knows better. The implications of that are depressing.

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Politico Phil's avatar

OTOH, as an economist and an anarcho-capitalist, Milei is well aware of the mechanizations of the NWO IMF. Given what he has done, I cannot say he is a NWO asset just based on the IMF loan. Milei is no dummy and he has demonstrated his commitment to his Ancap goals.

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daverkb's avatar

Why not! Do bankers every lend money without expecting 'a return on capital'? And I certainly cannot see it other than do Vonu and John Perkins.

Within the box factions matter. And factions do come in different flavors. Just like Chain Saw Milei ... the new flavor of the year and who known? Maybe for the rest of the century ... that is if it takes and sticks. But from the standpoint of the Invisible Hand directed by film production team of Apex Money, all the world is a stage. And the drama is marketing is sold as entertainment. And by the spectacle of entertainment, the masses are driven into oblivion uncomprehending. And that leads us straight back to the Confessions of an Economic Hit Man ... and a truly great and timeless read.

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Politico Phil's avatar

To answer your question: No, bankers NEVER lend money without expecting a return and in the case of the apex banking cartel of BIS, IMF and Federal Reserve (all serving the interests of the Rothchilds, Vatican and British Crown), their expected return is much more than interest.

Still I will watch to see if this will play out the way it always does or if Milei actually will bite the hand that tries to feed him. Somewhere, someday, someone is going to do something different. A lot of "some's" there...

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daverkb's avatar

The Real Money Complex at the very, very top has to always be working to settle conflict. There must be a continual resolve and resolution to keep an operation going and morphing for centuries. I try not to confuse control agency with implementation agency (front running institutions). And no, I don't see it all.

The best I can say, as to the overall, it has not of recent been old business as usual ever since maybe DJT as beta testing beginning in 2016, and Twitter X as to roll out implementation of the Next Big Thing ongoing.

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Vonu's avatar

The IMF has always done what John Perkins admitted to having done in Confessions of an Economic Hit Man.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

The IMF looks like every other subversive force. Radicals don’t have an ideological agenda beyond disrupting the status quo, whatever it may be. Sometimes they seem to push the right direction, but only if it creates a profitable crisis.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Glad to see others are familiar with this book!

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Vonu's avatar

If it were required reading in public high schools, it would trash the MICIMATT complex.

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JT's avatar

Probably true, but we won’t know unless and until we find out what, if any, those strings are. Until then, we’re all just flapping our gums here.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Not really. The IMF has a long history of doing precisely that: hollowing out the middle class.

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richardw's avatar

I’m hoping he is somehow able to use this as a stopgap and then at some point in the future gives the imf wef-ers the finger. I don’t have any idea how he could do this. His neighbor chile required brutality to implement imf “reforms “ that merely lock in gains for oligarchs and squash people who actually work and support the economy . The imf terms are typically akin to the economy suppressing covid lockdowns implemented through monetary policy , Argentina is in for some pain.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Two possibilities to think about:

The IMF may be looking at Milei and Argentina and realizing they cannot stop the reform Milei has initiated, decide they need to "join in" with a small $4.7B loan to keep their fingers in the Argentinian pie. If they can leverage this small loan into bigger loans then at some point they will have once again made Argentina captive to their money system slavery. Debt is always a form of slavery. (Our entire American society is now based on debt courtesy of the non-"Federal" Reserve Bank.)

In a separate thought voiced by our own Daverkb, when you step back and look at the whole picture, it looks like the Apex rulers have decided to reign things back in order to save their monetary system from complete collapse. Building on Dave's thought, by giving Argentina a small loan, they may be signaling to the rest of the banking world that the focus is now going to be on restoring a bit of stability. They cannot risk imploding their banking system and bringing down all the international debt they use to enslave the people of the world.

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Politico Phil's avatar

As Jeff wrote: "In a statement, the International Monetary Fund’s chief Kristalina Georgieva, if that’s her real name, praised Javier Milei's "bold actions to restore macroeconomic stability and... address long-standing impediments to growth." ...it signals official approval of Milei’s anti-socialist reforms"... ALTHOUGH I wouldn't go so far as to say they now think socialism is unaffordable...only the insanity of the USG O'Biden spending regime. Remember, the NWO did not anticipate the rise of an opposing force in the BRICS and they now face a competing money system based on actual assets (credit) rather than debt.

Now if they can only arrange a nuclear exchange to eliminate the BRICS system, they could finish the consolidation of their control.

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daverkb's avatar

Things are complex and simple all at the same time. The simple part is that Sham Fantasy Money is broken, and really since 2008/2009 ... and the USD Standard is in a heap of trouble. Somehow, the Whole Mirage has to be repackaged and re-sold. The complicated part is that in an era of failing credibility, the do-over has to have a serious infusion of credible buy-in. For example, a new high power replacement of dot money will have to have a credible feature, maybe a partial backing by gold. But it will be an advertising marketing trick. It will be call the old thing by a new name, tie a string to it and string it over a commodity like gold, and call it New Money You Can Believe IN with partial backing. And a little like that other catchy marketing slogan from the Obama years ... Change. But rest assured, you won't be able to redeem dots for real money of substance held in you hand. But you will have one great benefit. The financial institutions will be able to terminate your access with the flip of a switch ... and you will feel safe and like it! And it is all good to have an emotional buzz! Right!

Honestly. I think it's the Old Fool'em Strategy, a remake of Babylon. The Fool'em part is making it believable. But scratch the surface and Milei is a socialist. And it is Dial Back Socialism. And the same as here in the United States with the dial-back Pivot against Woke.

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Politico Phil's avatar

The secret to the "Dial Back" is they never dial all the way back to zero. And thus do they incrementally advance even when they appear in retreat and like compound interest, in 30 years they are rich.

Only with the actual historical destruction of the apex institutions and families AND their wealth who are behind this NWO will their plans ever be defeated. Until then, this war will continue. If Milei is not their puppet, then he prolly won't live long. We will see.

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daverkb's avatar

Good point!

Zero on the dial in the American context would at the very least have to be dial back to the old American Christian States with theonomic organic constitutions. DJT would be a retograde dial back to FDR Socialism before America quite lost everything. And this is the irony, that DJT is what every Domocrat would have been mid-twentieth century.

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suewali99's avatar

I appreciate your insights and anaylsis and am a bit surprised by your take on Melei.

What our your thoughts on why Milei would have pulled out of the BRICS and do an about-turn on his commitment to withdraw from the Paris climate agreement as his first order of business.

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Politico Phil's avatar

As a self-avowed anarcho-capitalist, Milei is going defy all usual stereo-types. He probably doesn't want to align with any major international block. As for the Paris accord, I don't have enough information to comment on that. It should be interesting to see what he actually does in the future. Maybe he wants to go there as he did at Davos and give them a piece of his mind.

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suewali99's avatar

Interesting take and seems similar to Doug Casey. The thought of Milei doing the same takedown at the Paris Accords fills me with great anticipation! Thanks for your thoughts.

https://www.theburningplatform.com/2024/01/31/doug-casey-exposes-the-hidden-agenda-of-davos/#more-327726

International Man: Javier Milei—Argentina’s Anarcho-Capitalist President—went to Davos and appeared to ruffle some feathers.

When asked why he attended the WEF conference, he said: “To plant the ideas of freedom in a forum that is contaminated by the socialist Agenda 2030 that will only bring misery to the world.”

What do you make of Milei’s appearance at Davos?

Doug Casey: A lot of libertarians have been skeptical of Milei, since almost all politicians just say what they think the audience wants to hear. But I’ve been a believer since he identified as an AnCap, not just a conservative or somebody unhappy with certain aspects of the system. The fact that he openly identified as an anarcho-capitalist told me that he might indeed be the real deal.

The fact that he walked into the maw of the beast just after the Schwabenklaus identified libertarians as the problem (link) and gave a flawless speech calling out these people for who they are, took real moral courage. He’s not just talking the talk but walking the walk.

I urge everybody to both read and listen to his speech to see what I’m talking about (link). It’s by far the most important speech anyone has given so far this century. And it may mean Argentina will be the best place in the world to be for the years to come.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Right. Thanks for making that connection. I didn't see that.

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daverkb's avatar

What the Apex Money will never give us is money of substance. It's always dot money or pieces of paper with the only real change being the ink, a mirage of numbers.

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Chevrus's avatar

Recently history certainly backs up that claim...

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