I’ve always been bothered less by true believers in the jab than those who knew something wasn’t quite right but got it to travel or go to concert etc. The people who where willing to lose livelihood helped turn thing around and others caved for so much less.
I’ve always been bothered less by true believers in the jab than those who knew something wasn’t quite right but got it to travel or go to concert etc. The people who where willing to lose livelihood helped turn thing around and others caved for so much less.
I think the root of it, is that by complying and getting the shot, you don't have to dig into the very deep well of corruption that so many of us C&C'ers did that opened our eyes. I was always a skeptic but 2020 pushed me over into the full on tinfoil hat camp. I am no longer the same person. I have trust issues, and every decision is made more complicated.
Shrugging and saying, oh it's just another shot (heck I used to get flu shots just because I never dug into it) is a helluva lot easier than learning everything you believed and trusted was a lie.
My son and a couple of conservative friends fell in that camp. It was just the easy button. Son was getting married in 2021 and they had booked a cruise for their honeymoon. (his wife is a nurse and had to get them, she didn't question and still refuses to engage on the topic) I tried relentlessly to talk him out of it. His employer had no mandate. He is young and healthy. But if he was not jabbed he could go on the cruise, but could not get off the boat and would be restricted while on it. He's not political, happy go lucky personality and pays no attention to politics. He calls me before every election and asks me who to vote for. I do share random posts and have conversations, and he knows there is a lot out there that is 'not right' but he has not yet 'tipped'. Thank God, he has had no issues with the shot, no boosters but still worry about him and my daughter, who is a true believer. But that's a whole other story.
For me, I do give grace to those who complied maybe holding their nose, or not even thinking about it, as long as they were not banning or chiding others for not getting it. Those who did the whole virtue shaming routine are gone from my life.
Very good points, they took the easy way out, but what we did wasn’t that hard. The info was out there in front of our eyes. I applaud us for hanging on to our knowledge like dogs with a bone 🦴
I have a 47 year friend who bragged about her ‘all vaxxed’ Thanksgiving two years ago. I just can’t go out of my way for her now. It’s very sad. I’m just kind of numb to her. I guess I’ve added her to my list virtue shamers.
Her husband had a heart attack last year, all four arteries were blocked so they stented the worse 2, waited on the other two.
Yeah same. Relationships part of the collateral damage from this. But then again, seeing them in a new light, suppose it was inevitable., this issue just accelerated the timeline.
It’s sad, because the differences weren’t such a big deal before the plandemic, we knew they were liberal and it didn’t matter as much as it does now. Now it feels like life and death.
Oh I lost friends over my support for Trump, too. I gave them grace for a while but the constant unhinged rants that were nothing more than D talking points was getting old. But there were some who I could still have conversations with. I only grudgingly voted for him in 2016, but the more the left went after him, the more I supported him, figured he must be doing something right.
I can relate completely. I have one daughter/son in law that is "fully awake" and chose to not vaccinate her 2 children and another daughter/son in law that completely trust the system and MD's. She is pregnant with their first child, knows my position on all vaccines and does not want to discuss. I pray daily for her to do her own research.
My brother is also a happy go luck apolital type. His daughter has jab injury he can’t recognize even though my mom- a retired MD told him. Even after this, he got the whole family boosted to take a day trip to Canada. I don’t even know how to wrap my mind around it.
Well he and his wife don't have kids yet. They just keep adding dogs, lol. But it does scare me to think how all this will affect them if they do decide to start a family, especially since she won't talk to me about anything medical. Leaves the room if it even comes up. He loves kids and talks about 'when we have have kids' but so far, nada.
Sad about your brother. Willful blindness does come with a cost.
Well I will admit freely that I am not an expert, and I learned about the broken peer review process right about the time 'global warming' was gaining traction. "Appeal to authority" works for too many, and then there are those who fancy themselves experts. They have more to lose by admitting they were wrong. I believe it was Mark Twain who said it is easier to fool a person than to get them to admit they've been fooled.
The whole situation brought out very strange blindnesses. I belong to a online forum for people damaged by gadolinium-another “safe” pharma product. The group was gutted when the mods declared no one could talk about damage jabs did. Many people left the group. I didn’t but I don’t spend time to share helpful info anymore. Of 3 mods who all got jabbed- 1 dead of stroke, one with new symptoms not related to original poisoning but in line with jab injury. Still no clue. It’s disorienting to witness.
I’ve always been bothered less by true believers in the jab than those who knew something wasn’t quite right but got it to travel or go to concert etc. The people who where willing to lose livelihood helped turn thing around and others caved for so much less.
I think the root of it, is that by complying and getting the shot, you don't have to dig into the very deep well of corruption that so many of us C&C'ers did that opened our eyes. I was always a skeptic but 2020 pushed me over into the full on tinfoil hat camp. I am no longer the same person. I have trust issues, and every decision is made more complicated.
Shrugging and saying, oh it's just another shot (heck I used to get flu shots just because I never dug into it) is a helluva lot easier than learning everything you believed and trusted was a lie.
My son and a couple of conservative friends fell in that camp. It was just the easy button. Son was getting married in 2021 and they had booked a cruise for their honeymoon. (his wife is a nurse and had to get them, she didn't question and still refuses to engage on the topic) I tried relentlessly to talk him out of it. His employer had no mandate. He is young and healthy. But if he was not jabbed he could go on the cruise, but could not get off the boat and would be restricted while on it. He's not political, happy go lucky personality and pays no attention to politics. He calls me before every election and asks me who to vote for. I do share random posts and have conversations, and he knows there is a lot out there that is 'not right' but he has not yet 'tipped'. Thank God, he has had no issues with the shot, no boosters but still worry about him and my daughter, who is a true believer. But that's a whole other story.
For me, I do give grace to those who complied maybe holding their nose, or not even thinking about it, as long as they were not banning or chiding others for not getting it. Those who did the whole virtue shaming routine are gone from my life.
Very good points, they took the easy way out, but what we did wasn’t that hard. The info was out there in front of our eyes. I applaud us for hanging on to our knowledge like dogs with a bone 🦴
I have a 47 year friend who bragged about her ‘all vaxxed’ Thanksgiving two years ago. I just can’t go out of my way for her now. It’s very sad. I’m just kind of numb to her. I guess I’ve added her to my list virtue shamers.
Her husband had a heart attack last year, all four arteries were blocked so they stented the worse 2, waited on the other two.
Yeah same. Relationships part of the collateral damage from this. But then again, seeing them in a new light, suppose it was inevitable., this issue just accelerated the timeline.
It’s sad, because the differences weren’t such a big deal before the plandemic, we knew they were liberal and it didn’t matter as much as it does now. Now it feels like life and death.
Oh I lost friends over my support for Trump, too. I gave them grace for a while but the constant unhinged rants that were nothing more than D talking points was getting old. But there were some who I could still have conversations with. I only grudgingly voted for him in 2016, but the more the left went after him, the more I supported him, figured he must be doing something right.
Funny how that works, isn’t it! 🤣
Luckily I didn’t experience that as much, and my braindead brother even joked about Trump with us. Gave my husband a Trump T shirt.
But now, if I say anything about Biden he quickly changes the subject.
I can relate completely. I have one daughter/son in law that is "fully awake" and chose to not vaccinate her 2 children and another daughter/son in law that completely trust the system and MD's. She is pregnant with their first child, knows my position on all vaccines and does not want to discuss. I pray daily for her to do her own research.
Yep, all we can do is pray, and be on the lookout for an opening.
My brother is also a happy go luck apolital type. His daughter has jab injury he can’t recognize even though my mom- a retired MD told him. Even after this, he got the whole family boosted to take a day trip to Canada. I don’t even know how to wrap my mind around it.
Well he and his wife don't have kids yet. They just keep adding dogs, lol. But it does scare me to think how all this will affect them if they do decide to start a family, especially since she won't talk to me about anything medical. Leaves the room if it even comes up. He loves kids and talks about 'when we have have kids' but so far, nada.
Sad about your brother. Willful blindness does come with a cost.
Interesting how you and I will freely talk about ANY medical issue - covid shots, cancer, the f'd food pyramid, etc.
But they won't. Covid shot? They don't want to hear it.
Crazy huh?
Well I will admit freely that I am not an expert, and I learned about the broken peer review process right about the time 'global warming' was gaining traction. "Appeal to authority" works for too many, and then there are those who fancy themselves experts. They have more to lose by admitting they were wrong. I believe it was Mark Twain who said it is easier to fool a person than to get them to admit they've been fooled.
Denial gets such a strong hold in some as an attempt to protect themselves. Sorry to hear about your brother and niece.
The whole situation brought out very strange blindnesses. I belong to a online forum for people damaged by gadolinium-another “safe” pharma product. The group was gutted when the mods declared no one could talk about damage jabs did. Many people left the group. I didn’t but I don’t spend time to share helpful info anymore. Of 3 mods who all got jabbed- 1 dead of stroke, one with new symptoms not related to original poisoning but in line with jab injury. Still no clue. It’s disorienting to witness.
At least "those who knew something wasn’t quite right" calculated the risk, on some level. The all-inners were simply duped.