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AL's avatar

Thanks Amy--I hate to say it, and I hate to think it, but after almost 4 years of information, it seems unlikely to me that anyone can rise up in the ranks and gain the highest power in the land without the deep state on board. People need heroes--I get it. And many people have gotten angry at me and said, "if you're right, there's no hope!" I disagree but I see how devastating it would be for those to entertain the idea that Trump is part of the ruling class mafia. Again, I hate to say it, but all signs point that way.

It seems to be a matter of accepting how powerful the ruling class/bankster cartel is--how long they have been ruling the world and manipulating its citizens and how clever, strategic and well funded these people are.

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RunningLogic's avatar

It’s hard to make sense of it all though given all the grief they’ve given him and everything they’ve put him through. Is it all theater? Could be but it seems like a lot of trouble to go to and too many people involved to keep that quiet. It makes sense on some levels but doesn’t on others 😕

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If you think about each of the "griefs" it doesn't seem that far-fetched to me. J6 was an intelligence operation, and all of these lawsuits would be easy to set up--you don't need too many people involved--the process takes care of itself. Isn't curious how he is overcoming all of these accusations though and mostly all before the election (that's fast for the judicial process)? Insurrection (set up to be overcome), documents at Mar-a-Lago, GA election fraud (oh, the drama there that obliterates the charges!). Is it possible all he has to do is play along?

I hear you. But what bothers me is also what is NOT happening. Real candidates are not given any press or GOP/DNC support--those entities were long-ago captured. No press for them, banned from Youtube, or shadowed on Twitter, or absent on Google. And yet, Trump has gotten tons of media attention DAILY since 2015---even these past 4 years when he was no longer president. Why would the press keep that memory alive?! Why not occasionally mention him as mere history? Why did CNN host him? The NYT and Atlantic publish anti-trump articles DAILY. It takes an enormous effort to keep inundating readers with Trump.

I think if one assumes that the people in power do not have that level of control over the dissemination of information, and\or that there is an "organic" aspect to one's rise to fame/power, then it's easy to think he got here all on his own and his magnetism is the only reason he is the main object of media. He took a $250m loan from Soros (so did his son), he hobnobbed with the Clintons for years, he was a democrat. He was part of that club and then just changed his mind? We're so used to watching movies, we believe this schlock.

I go back and forth too. But that annoying little vaccine issue just keeps getting to me. He knows damn well how bad they are, he knows it was a DOD op from the start, he knows it was an American virus through NIH/NIAID/UNC pretending to be released in China---and still calls it the China virus. I just smell a rat!

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RunningLogic's avatar

All fair points and interesting perspective. I’m not sure that’s all there is to it but for sure lots of things don’t seem to line up 😕 I’m not as bothered as you are by the hobnobbing and party switch, actually. I think there can be quite plausible “innocent” explanations for those. I guess I’m more inclined to think that the people involved in orchestrating all this are more self important and full of hubris than they are smart, so I have a hard time believing they have everything perfectly thought out and planned to the last detail. I do think there are a lot of missing pieces though. Too many for me to feel comfortable or confident that any particular theory is correct.

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Joy sister's avatar

Trump was heavily influenced by Birx and Fauci, somewhat naively perhaps, but it was new frontier and I have to believe he was doing what he could. He needs to acknowledge the harm now, or he is complicit however. So much is now known. Some of us proclaimed from the start that you cannot know long-term effects without studying them in real-time, but 4 years later any logically thinking human should understand these shots cannot be mandatory ever again.

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AL's avatar

Our naive president. He must have also overlooked that this was a DOD operation from the beginning, forgot that he signed more executive orders that obliterated rights, forgot that it was Fauci himself in charge of the gain of function research through the NIH, NIAID, UNC whose scientists worked for US in Wuhan and that this was 100% an "American" virus.

But yes, even that tired old excuse doesn't play anymore. You are right that he cannot NOT know what has transpired now 4 years later. And still touting the Pfizer line.

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