Jeff Childers wrote, "Honestly, I am no Putin fan, but..."
I wish people didn't feel compelled to say this before saying anything complimentary about Putin but I understand how the game is played. As much as it's heresy to say, I am becoming a Putin fan but then I'm grading on a curve compared to Clown World's leaders.
Jeff Childers wrote, "Honestly, I am no Putin fan, but..."
I wish people didn't feel compelled to say this before saying anything complimentary about Putin but I understand how the game is played. As much as it's heresy to say, I am becoming a Putin fan but then I'm grading on a curve compared to Clown World's leaders.
Putin is thoughtful, historically knowledgeable, and articulate. He's a Russian patriot who actually wants to improve conditions for Russia's citizens. He claims to be a Christian (which I question) but it's clear he has respect for Russia's historical Christianity and has furthered its influence in Russia. He was relentless is wrestling the country away from the oligarchs who systematically looted and plundered Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union. He has dramatically improved the standard of living for the typical Russian.
Yes he's no Thomas Jefferson. But compare what Putin has done for the people of Russia versus the West's leaders for the past thirty years. Talk about "democracy" is all well and good, but the bottom line is the results. Are a country's citizens better off or worse off during a leader's tenure? It's indisputable that Russians are better off, and the West's citizens are worse off.
Yet we are constantly told that this guy who actually loves his country (as opposed to the West's leaders who despise their country) is the new Hitler. It's all so transparent and stupid.
Well said Jeff C. I have more respect for Putin than I do for clinton, obama, and biden put together. Does that mean I like him, don't know him. But he has shown more intelligence and dignity, than the above mentioned bozos. Who I do believe want to destroy America.
Clinton said a long time ago that we (meaning he) thought that a strong America was bad and that he wanted to weaken the country. I think he succeeded but he’s a neophyte compared to the current anti-president.
The question no one asks (in polite company at least) is why do they all hate Putin so much? It seems pretty obvious to me when you look at what the propagandists share in common. Two obvious ones are 1) unilateral support of Israel and 2) support of the homosexual/depopulation agenda. Number one is shared by virtually every Putin critic (as it is for all neocons), number two is shared by most of them. So why is that? Weird.
They hate Putin because Putin stand in 'their' way of tearing down Russian and Christian morality. 'They' rather embrace the Luciferian Code of 'do what thou will' ... and skip along happily murdering, lying and looting.
By the way, Jeffery Sachs in the Tucker interview says that 500,000 Ukrainian soldiers have died in the US/Russia/Ukraine War. This does not even begin to address the looting of the Ukraine by 'Western Interests'.
I think the number is higher. I am always suspicious when the number hits a certain threshold and then remains static. For more than a year, they've said 500 - 600K dead in Ukraine. What, no more deaths since? And now they are conscripting men in their 50s and 60s; men with Downs syndrome and diabetes. And of course now we see the gross propaganda pieces with the young women (with perfect hair, makeup and acrylic nails!) marching into battle in the camouflage unifoms.
Same with the 35K dead in Palestine, another static number for the last 4-5 months. But the Israeli government continues its assault on the civilian populations there. How many missing and unaccounted for? Assume they are all dead.
Reasonable Horses calls it a Clown Show Slaughter, and of course ... he is right. And the Cretin Clowns call the money and slaughter a 'good investment'! And the Congressional Clowns wave Ukrainian flags and in a stupor monotonously cry out, Glory to the Ukraine!
Sorry to reply to multiple of your comments in one day, but I tend to agree with what you write.
Anyway, the way I see it in broad terms is: Marxism and all its variants - socialism, communism, fascism - are European creations. The neocons are the intellectual offspring of communism (Trotsky's version, specifically). And the gay/trans agenda and depop agenda are also developments of Marxist ideologies (oppressor/oppressed & population micro-mgmt), and European in origin.
Israel is a British concern and a key cog in their divide-and-conquer strategy. Russia has long been a target/obsession of the British. They want to conquer, divide up, and colonize Russia to take its land and resources (that probably sounds familiar to Africans). Of course, England is the big boss of Europe.
So, it seems to me the neocons (neoliberals are mostly the same TBH) actually work for Europe. It's who they report to. This is why they are all aligned on all these issues: Marxist religious ideology and loyalty to Europe above America. They believe Marxism is morally superior to capitalism. They believe all the forms of perversion are morally superior to traditional values. They believe Europe is better than the US. Not just different, but better, more "evolved." Talk to most everyone leading a F500 co. and you will find they share these beliefs.
This is why they hate Putin so much. He does not share these Marxist beliefs. In fact, Putinism is what is replacing their beloved communism in Russia. It's succeeding where communism failed.
And it's why in reality we in the US have had taxation w/o representation for decades now. Our leaders are actually working for a foreign entity. It's also why our generals dress up in high heels and pose as furries online. Europeanism and Marxism.
It's all going to come crashing down b/c Marxism in all its forms is diametrically opposed to flourishing at any level of society, individual through to the whole. It's a Ponzi scheme system that always fails, after causing massive damage.
While I agree with you on some points (Marxism and communism serving as a framework for some of the beliefs of the neocons and co) I would disagree with this assertion:
“Of course, England is the big boss of Europe.”
I would argue this is not true, there has always been strong opposition to Britain from other European countries on many levels (and vice versa), and Brexit wouldn’t have happened if Britain really was the leader of Europe. They’ve actually been the outlier on a lot of policies.
I also think the structures and language of Marxism etc are just another facade of ideology when ultimately it doesn’t matter what it’s called. These people simply want control, and it doesn’t actually matter to them how they get it or what ideology allows them to get there. Marxism and communism are the ideological version of useful idiots.
Hard to discuss these things in a comments section, but I don't disagree with anything you've written. I probably didn't express my thoughts well.
My point was England is the biggest financial center, hence the major player (since everything comes back to finance), and the latest empire. It seems to me the EU has been kind of rudderless since Brexit. And I think a lot of moves that have been made since were made to undo it. I think the Brexit and Trump situations have terrified the broader EU and its supporters. Despite Brexit, England still has a lot of influence within Europe. Not that they don't compete for power.
And, I totally agree, Marxism is a cover for the lust for power. Always was IMO, including Marx himself, who it seems was just a grifter who wanted power for himself that he didn't have. It's a system of central control, compared to capitalism, which is a system of dispersed control. Basically economic totalitarianism vs. economic democracy. Those longing for power will always be attracted to the systems that promise centralized control, even if they are not "true believers" themselves.
I was just trying to explain 'why' some things that seem to be disparate cluster together. The neocons are in love with leftist central planning ideologies - including the downstream "neo" ideas - that yield centralized control. And a really good way to implement a divide-and-conquer strategy. And I have come to agree with the folks who say England is more central to neoconservatism than we often give credit for.
Their core "trick" has been convincing large swaths of the low information public - including most corporate execs at this point - that things like socialism and central planning are morally superior and better, when they're really not. We're moral creatures. To me that's the way out of this - to show the immorality of Marxism and all its follow-on neo-isms. Break the spell.
Personally, I think "they" hate Putin because "they" need an enemy against which they can rally Americans. They need someone to blame for all the bad things that happen in the world and they need someone to blame for their failures at home. Plus, they need a reason to continue funding the military-industrial complex which in turn funds all the congressional slush funds on both sides of the aisle.
I believe they hate Putin because the baby boomers were brought up with the idea that Russia is the nuclear threat that would wipe us off the map. The same tactics were used to make many hate Trump. Lie and slander and twist facts. However, Putin is playing both sides. His oligarchs were getting billions for uranium deals mined on American soil and funneled back to Russia. That would be the Clinton foundation. I highly doubt he had no knowledge of this deal.
Stop throwing all Baby Boomers into the same basket. Baby Boomers are as diverse as other age brackets. You can see that here on C&C as many are of that age. People are made up of individuals and should be looked at as such; not putting everyone in a box and making a declaration of how they think or feel.
I stated my opinion. I am allowed to do such. I also have no way of knowing who is a baby boomer unless they specifically state as such or their age. Since the baby boomer generation is listed as those born 1946-1964, it covers almost 20 years. I am at the older end while my youngest brother is at the youngest end. Our opinions are vastly different. But among my age group when the Cold War was heating up, nuclear war was always threat. Still, it is my opinion and I stand by it.
Case in point: my in-laws and my parents are the same age, but one set thinks Putin is literally Hitler (why? because “Putin bad”) and the other set has a much more nuanced view we’ve seen throughout C&C posts and comments. Also, one set is welcoming to the many C&C posts I have sent their way and the other set still thinks Fox News is a conservative news source. So. 🤷♀️
I think it goes back to the old Great Game of Europe from petty warlord thuggery from a Hapsburg with one castle above a choke point on the Rhine River in Switzerland close to an old Roman Empire army fort on that river to literal multi-nation empire building efforts through intermarriages to conquests and alliances ever since the Roman Empire fell, the Holy Roman Empire of Catholics arose, and its ongoing schism with the Eastern Orthodox church now rising again in Russia.
Euro-American leaders look today at globes and like children freak out at the geographic size of Russia (and China, too) always forgetting most of those 2 countries' land is not highly arable. Loess lands in China are badlands, lots of big deserts in China, while most of Siberia is not farmable. Both countries historically are often on the brink of mass starvation. Hence, the reason Russia must have Ukraine as an ally or at least a neutral or friendly nation given it is the breadbasket of Europe as well as hosting ice-free Navy and trade ports. And, ditto why China deeply fears to its core having its trade routes on land or sea controlled by any nations who want it kept weak as NATO's founding principals expressly declare for Russia.
I never forget NATO, EU and ICC headquarters are in Belgium and the Netherlands, "neutral" nations created out of thin air from the remnants of other nations after the end of the Napoleonic Wars. Netherlands happy until its last elections to seize farm lands for global climate fear-porn. Belgium's borders enclosing Flemish and French speakers were drawn *for* the convenience of that war's top victors: the UK and some small German nations who treated Russia then as a hopelessly backward nation. So similar to WW1 victors carving up the Mideast for their own convenience drawing lines through every strong ethic group to weaken them.
Guess where the Belgian and Dutch gold reserves ended up after WW1 and WW2? Note what rivers meet the sea at The Hague and Amsterdam. Coincidence? at the end of the Napoleonic Wars the VOC, the world's oldest corporation, was magically dissolved and its assets ended up in the Dutch royal family's bank accounts.
The Belgian royal family was in fact created and installed by then UK powerhouse which selected the widower of its dead Crown Princess Charlotte to be Belgium's first king: King Leopold 1. He was also the blood uncle of Queen Victoria's husband Albert, both men from the poor and small German Saxe Coburg Gotha duchy. Leo 1 quickly spawned King Leopold 2, the slaver of the Congo as depicted in Conrad's "Heart of Darkness. Leo 1 also spawned Empress Carlotta of Mexico who was married off to Maximillian, a brother of the then Austro-Hungarian Emperor and WW1 leader Kaiser Franz Joseph. Max & Carlotta were installed as rulers of Mexico during the US Civil War strongly supported by Belgium, UK, France and Franz Joseph.
Those kinds of titular "leaders" and their enablers/profiteers are ruthless and don't care one whit for any "populace" on the planet. They feel entitled to rule always over other humans and literally use them, too, as "dumb peasants" or actual slaves. They have insatiable desires for ever more power. Psychopaths one and all. Exactly like narco-terrorist mafias using thuggery to intimidate, manipulate, and defeat any opponents.
Great historical perspective and excellent points!! I do think a lot of this is an effort by those people historically in power through their dynasties of “aristocracy” to wrest back full control.
They never give up until they loose a big war or get executed while their "bankers" merrily roll on funding their Great Game Exploits. UK tried to get back the USA as a colony in the 1812 War. Then again by it with help from France, Belgium and the Austro-Hungarian Empire sending Max & Carlotta to Mexico during our Civil War to try to grab back big chunks of Old Mexico won by the USA in the Mex-American War. Max, a brother of Austro-Hungarian Emperor Franz Joseph (who was a key sleepwalker into WW1) and Carlotta, a daughter of Belgian King Leopold 1 and a niece of Queen Victoria's husband.... a Big Game in the 1860s for Euro ruling families and their bankers to try "officially" to control all Mexican customs/import taxes but really just a cash and land grab attemot. Abraham Lincoln financially supported Benito Juarez who fought and beat the Euro-royals.
This Sunday Mexico elects a new president for a 6 year term. To date this election cycle 36 mayorial and other candidates have been assassinated, the kind of mess royals and their ilk constantly use as an excuse to be "benevolent" tyrants. The 3 lead presidential candidates have had 3 debates since April this year. I wishing Mexico well on Sunday.
They should transfer that hate to Xi who is systematically planning the destruction of the West, primarily US. All the Chinese military-age men crossing our border every day did so with Chinese permission and also our dementia ridden puppet president.
Hating all things Russian is part of our US DNA. We have to hate Putin. Just like we have to trust our overlords. We can not fathom agreeing with Putin any more than we can imagine our government destroying this country.
Your comments are always intelligent RL, so I think you are messing with me here. There is a 99.9% overlap of those pushing Ukraine who are also Israel-first neocons. I can't think of a singe Ukraine hawk who doesn't also want to throw billions at Israel.
Go down the line on the GOP side; Johnson, McConnell, Rubio, Cotton, Graham, Haley, etc. It's the same on the Dem side with Schumer and his ilk. Plus the entire foreign policy and pundit crowd: Blinken, Nuland, Kristol, Podhoretz, Shapiro, and all of the others. If they are pushing Ukraine they are also pushing Israel. There are a few that support Israel but have not said much about Ukraine, but none the other way around that I can think of.
So why is that? Do war-mongers just tend to love mayhem no matter where it's happening? Perhaps. A more likely explanation is that Israel sees a Russian defeat as in its interests due to Russia's historical animosity towards Israel and Jews in general. Clearly everything coming out of Ukraine has been a lie for two solid years yet Lindsay Graham still spouts nonsense about fighting for Ukrainian democracy. No one is this stupid, he knows what he's saying is completely false but he still does it. Why?
There are plenty more examples in the last thirty years where the US ended up in wars where it didn't belong, all of which worked to Israel's interests to destabilize its enemies. Serbia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and now Ukraine. They've been agitating for war with Iran for the last twenty years. It didn't used to be like this.
The best explanation I can think of is that Graham is compromised, probably by Mossad (ala a Jeffrey Epstein-type set up). There are plenty more like him.
I was not actually messing with you, and am sorry that you had that feeling. I misunderstood who you were talking about, which is why I asked that question, in order to clarify if I’d understood correctly (clearly I had not). I thought you were not just taking about certain Americans (mostly neocons) but also about countries in Europe. I appreciate your clarification.
I would argue though that there are a fair number of Democrats who only pay lip service to supporting Israel but don’t really in reality. The people behind the pallets of cash to Iran certainly weren’t helping the Israelis with that action, for example.
I wonder if some of them hate him because they wish they could run their own country the way he does but aren't competent and liked enough to make it happen?
Exactly. "It's indisputable that Russians are better off" and the Russians fully know this and are very grateful for Putin's leadership after the fall of the Politburo and the ensuing chaos of the following years.
It may surprise many people that, under and as a result of Putin's leadership, very many Western families (and single folk) have chosen to move to Russia in recent years. A simple YouTube search substantiates this.
Why?
Seems to be for many of the reasons spoken about and debated right here on C & C.
I find it an outrage that anybody has to tippy toes around on the subject of Putin with obligatory displays of virtue signalling and grand shows of 'plausible denial' of endorsement. Consider that the United States (CIA/Deep States) has done nothing but pick wars on made up fairy tale pretexts, bullied the world using 'financial inducements and punishments' and styled itself into a planetary terror instrument ... even against its own alleged 'citizens'. There is no 'democracy' in the United States, no rule of law and no liberty. Only enslavement. And yet, Putin is the Cartoon Caricature of Incarnate of Evil ... and we are supposed to swallow that one down whole?
The United States should have embraced Russia with open arms after the fall of the Soviets. But United States could not do so because the United States is a 'government' ruled over by Satanic Monsters. Putin has the respect of the rest of the non-Western world while the United States is rightfully despised and hated around the globe ... and with good reason.
When I was a kid in the 1950s Greek and Roman genre films on the TV ... and I really wanted to how civilizations could possibly let themselves go to ruin when they had such a good thing going. I guess, and in retrospect, I should have been more circumspect in my wonderings.
If it gets to be too much, take some time out. Compare these two versions of the same song. Which do you like better ... or even is that a fair question.
A patch of blue sky is always just around the corner. However, the question is now how much pain must be endured? A boat load of Bolshevik or Mao pain? A wheelbarrow of Madame Guillotine Pain? Pol Pot or fall of the Soviets pain? A city under seize pain? It seems there is always a price somewhere to be paid. And what goes around comes around.
There certainly more heat in the ELO original. And to have to pick one over the other would be a false comparison. What is striking to me is that the two are so different ... and yet the same song.
100%. I was going to say the same thing but you already did. I know Jeff is a lawyer so part weasel (jest!) so prone to qualifying words, but regarding Putin he needs to stop with the 'I'm no Putin fan....' qualifier. No need.. it's not 2022. Most people know now Putin is the good guy.
Concur! I'm a retired, certified Cold Warrior, but this isn't the Cold War. Russia is longer communist. I think VVP is aces, and by the way if you think he's a scary loose cannon, get a load of some of the Lindsey Graham type hopefuls wanting to replace him.
Yes, Jeff C., actions indeed speak louder than words & the actions of Putin for his country & the hatred our “leaders” have for theirs is blatant. In addition, anything our demonic administration is against, I am FOR & vice versa.
Which is why Blinken wants to bomb Russia. Maybe we can get away with a minor incursion. Maybe we can walk into rattlesnake pits and not get bit. Maybe Tulsi Gabbard should be Trump’s running mate.
And I know personally many people from Russia who left there and came here and would never go back under any circumstances. They lived in very poor conditions and had little food and extremely poor healthcare. Imagine becoming ill and being hospitalized and forced to drink your own bile. I disagree with putting any communist/socialist country on a pedestal. No matter what the situation looks like here (at least for now) I would not want to change spots with the average person in Russia. Just adding a different perspective.
And Putin, like Trump, has been strongly vocal against global human trafficking. Two of the most hated leaders on the planet due mostly to false narratives believed by people who don’t research on their own. Powerful anti new world order Christian men who clearly love their countries.
I agree 100%. He dwarfs the clowns in our government. WTP are not those in the swamp. I don't lay claim to anyone in that place, and they do not represent ME. I respect Putin for his restraint under the taunt of idiots who are soon to fall, and fall hard. (Prayer hands)
I assert the current US administration declared war on its own people from the first day. 17 executive orders on first day, including shutting down domestic energy production (causing initial inflation spiral) and shutting down completion of the border wall. My recollection is hazy beyond that because the gestapo response to the spike protein virus and those who were inside the Capitol overtook everything in my mind. I just remember repeatedly shaking my head, had no inkling how fast and how far our sociopathic overlords would go.
Today an excellent segment in 2nd hour of Bannon’s War Room on how lawfare has frightened the bejeezus out of conservative lawyers, thanks in part to Project 65 and other efforts by the left. All of our heroic justices who hew to the Constitution are under attack, and not a peep out of groups like the Federalist Society. Jeff is our fearless hero!!! May more follow his example.
As for Congress: useless. And if we massively demonstrate against the escalation in WW3, we end up in prison without knowing the charges.
Jeff Childers wrote, "Honestly, I am no Putin fan, but..."
I wish people didn't feel compelled to say this before saying anything complimentary about Putin but I understand how the game is played. As much as it's heresy to say, I am becoming a Putin fan but then I'm grading on a curve compared to Clown World's leaders.
Putin is thoughtful, historically knowledgeable, and articulate. He's a Russian patriot who actually wants to improve conditions for Russia's citizens. He claims to be a Christian (which I question) but it's clear he has respect for Russia's historical Christianity and has furthered its influence in Russia. He was relentless is wrestling the country away from the oligarchs who systematically looted and plundered Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union. He has dramatically improved the standard of living for the typical Russian.
Yes he's no Thomas Jefferson. But compare what Putin has done for the people of Russia versus the West's leaders for the past thirty years. Talk about "democracy" is all well and good, but the bottom line is the results. Are a country's citizens better off or worse off during a leader's tenure? It's indisputable that Russians are better off, and the West's citizens are worse off.
Yet we are constantly told that this guy who actually loves his country (as opposed to the West's leaders who despise their country) is the new Hitler. It's all so transparent and stupid.
Well said Jeff C. I have more respect for Putin than I do for clinton, obama, and biden put together. Does that mean I like him, don't know him. But he has shown more intelligence and dignity, than the above mentioned bozos. Who I do believe want to destroy America.
Clinton said a long time ago that we (meaning he) thought that a strong America was bad and that he wanted to weaken the country. I think he succeeded but he’s a neophyte compared to the current anti-president.
Damn skippy. I'd be up for an even money swap, but the Russians would never go for it.
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The question no one asks (in polite company at least) is why do they all hate Putin so much? It seems pretty obvious to me when you look at what the propagandists share in common. Two obvious ones are 1) unilateral support of Israel and 2) support of the homosexual/depopulation agenda. Number one is shared by virtually every Putin critic (as it is for all neocons), number two is shared by most of them. So why is that? Weird.
They hate Putin because Putin stand in 'their' way of tearing down Russian and Christian morality. 'They' rather embrace the Luciferian Code of 'do what thou will' ... and skip along happily murdering, lying and looting.
By the way, Jeffery Sachs in the Tucker interview says that 500,000 Ukrainian soldiers have died in the US/Russia/Ukraine War. This does not even begin to address the looting of the Ukraine by 'Western Interests'.
I think the number is higher. I am always suspicious when the number hits a certain threshold and then remains static. For more than a year, they've said 500 - 600K dead in Ukraine. What, no more deaths since? And now they are conscripting men in their 50s and 60s; men with Downs syndrome and diabetes. And of course now we see the gross propaganda pieces with the young women (with perfect hair, makeup and acrylic nails!) marching into battle in the camouflage unifoms.
Same with the 35K dead in Palestine, another static number for the last 4-5 months. But the Israeli government continues its assault on the civilian populations there. How many missing and unaccounted for? Assume they are all dead.
Reasonable Horses calls it a Clown Show Slaughter, and of course ... he is right. And the Cretin Clowns call the money and slaughter a 'good investment'! And the Congressional Clowns wave Ukrainian flags and in a stupor monotonously cry out, Glory to the Ukraine!
Criminally pathetic.
Beyond sickening....
Everyone is fed up to the gills. A horror show.
It's a clown show slaughter.
I wonder who's looting the vaults where our gift cards for Zelensky are stashed. What an outrageous disgrace.
Remind me what is worth "looting" in Ukraine? Grain? Sunflowers? Watermelons?
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Sorry to reply to multiple of your comments in one day, but I tend to agree with what you write.
Anyway, the way I see it in broad terms is: Marxism and all its variants - socialism, communism, fascism - are European creations. The neocons are the intellectual offspring of communism (Trotsky's version, specifically). And the gay/trans agenda and depop agenda are also developments of Marxist ideologies (oppressor/oppressed & population micro-mgmt), and European in origin.
Israel is a British concern and a key cog in their divide-and-conquer strategy. Russia has long been a target/obsession of the British. They want to conquer, divide up, and colonize Russia to take its land and resources (that probably sounds familiar to Africans). Of course, England is the big boss of Europe.
So, it seems to me the neocons (neoliberals are mostly the same TBH) actually work for Europe. It's who they report to. This is why they are all aligned on all these issues: Marxist religious ideology and loyalty to Europe above America. They believe Marxism is morally superior to capitalism. They believe all the forms of perversion are morally superior to traditional values. They believe Europe is better than the US. Not just different, but better, more "evolved." Talk to most everyone leading a F500 co. and you will find they share these beliefs.
This is why they hate Putin so much. He does not share these Marxist beliefs. In fact, Putinism is what is replacing their beloved communism in Russia. It's succeeding where communism failed.
And it's why in reality we in the US have had taxation w/o representation for decades now. Our leaders are actually working for a foreign entity. It's also why our generals dress up in high heels and pose as furries online. Europeanism and Marxism.
It's all going to come crashing down b/c Marxism in all its forms is diametrically opposed to flourishing at any level of society, individual through to the whole. It's a Ponzi scheme system that always fails, after causing massive damage.
Time to throw some more tea into Boston harbor.
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While I agree with you on some points (Marxism and communism serving as a framework for some of the beliefs of the neocons and co) I would disagree with this assertion:
“Of course, England is the big boss of Europe.”
I would argue this is not true, there has always been strong opposition to Britain from other European countries on many levels (and vice versa), and Brexit wouldn’t have happened if Britain really was the leader of Europe. They’ve actually been the outlier on a lot of policies.
I also think the structures and language of Marxism etc are just another facade of ideology when ultimately it doesn’t matter what it’s called. These people simply want control, and it doesn’t actually matter to them how they get it or what ideology allows them to get there. Marxism and communism are the ideological version of useful idiots.
Hard to discuss these things in a comments section, but I don't disagree with anything you've written. I probably didn't express my thoughts well.
My point was England is the biggest financial center, hence the major player (since everything comes back to finance), and the latest empire. It seems to me the EU has been kind of rudderless since Brexit. And I think a lot of moves that have been made since were made to undo it. I think the Brexit and Trump situations have terrified the broader EU and its supporters. Despite Brexit, England still has a lot of influence within Europe. Not that they don't compete for power.
And, I totally agree, Marxism is a cover for the lust for power. Always was IMO, including Marx himself, who it seems was just a grifter who wanted power for himself that he didn't have. It's a system of central control, compared to capitalism, which is a system of dispersed control. Basically economic totalitarianism vs. economic democracy. Those longing for power will always be attracted to the systems that promise centralized control, even if they are not "true believers" themselves.
I was just trying to explain 'why' some things that seem to be disparate cluster together. The neocons are in love with leftist central planning ideologies - including the downstream "neo" ideas - that yield centralized control. And a really good way to implement a divide-and-conquer strategy. And I have come to agree with the folks who say England is more central to neoconservatism than we often give credit for.
Their core "trick" has been convincing large swaths of the low information public - including most corporate execs at this point - that things like socialism and central planning are morally superior and better, when they're really not. We're moral creatures. To me that's the way out of this - to show the immorality of Marxism and all its follow-on neo-isms. Break the spell.
Thanks for the convo!
Very thoughtful and interesting comment, as always, thank you!
Personally, I think "they" hate Putin because "they" need an enemy against which they can rally Americans. They need someone to blame for all the bad things that happen in the world and they need someone to blame for their failures at home. Plus, they need a reason to continue funding the military-industrial complex which in turn funds all the congressional slush funds on both sides of the aisle.
Yes, I think this is accurate.
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Jeff C - they hate Putin & Trump because Putin & Trump are the 2 leaders blocking the path to a One World global government.
The WEF-CCP knows that ALL the other national “leaders” can be bought or blackmailed.
But not Trump & Putin.
I believe they hate Putin because the baby boomers were brought up with the idea that Russia is the nuclear threat that would wipe us off the map. The same tactics were used to make many hate Trump. Lie and slander and twist facts. However, Putin is playing both sides. His oligarchs were getting billions for uranium deals mined on American soil and funneled back to Russia. That would be the Clinton foundation. I highly doubt he had no knowledge of this deal.
Stop throwing all Baby Boomers into the same basket. Baby Boomers are as diverse as other age brackets. You can see that here on C&C as many are of that age. People are made up of individuals and should be looked at as such; not putting everyone in a box and making a declaration of how they think or feel.
I stated my opinion. I am allowed to do such. I also have no way of knowing who is a baby boomer unless they specifically state as such or their age. Since the baby boomer generation is listed as those born 1946-1964, it covers almost 20 years. I am at the older end while my youngest brother is at the youngest end. Our opinions are vastly different. But among my age group when the Cold War was heating up, nuclear war was always threat. Still, it is my opinion and I stand by it.
Case in point: my in-laws and my parents are the same age, but one set thinks Putin is literally Hitler (why? because “Putin bad”) and the other set has a much more nuanced view we’ve seen throughout C&C posts and comments. Also, one set is welcoming to the many C&C posts I have sent their way and the other set still thinks Fox News is a conservative news source. So. 🤷♀️
I see the same thing as you describe Susanna, all around me.
(I cannot LIKE ♥️ your post due to that option is not functioning; … for many of us. But I do like your post.)
I think it goes back to the old Great Game of Europe from petty warlord thuggery from a Hapsburg with one castle above a choke point on the Rhine River in Switzerland close to an old Roman Empire army fort on that river to literal multi-nation empire building efforts through intermarriages to conquests and alliances ever since the Roman Empire fell, the Holy Roman Empire of Catholics arose, and its ongoing schism with the Eastern Orthodox church now rising again in Russia.
Euro-American leaders look today at globes and like children freak out at the geographic size of Russia (and China, too) always forgetting most of those 2 countries' land is not highly arable. Loess lands in China are badlands, lots of big deserts in China, while most of Siberia is not farmable. Both countries historically are often on the brink of mass starvation. Hence, the reason Russia must have Ukraine as an ally or at least a neutral or friendly nation given it is the breadbasket of Europe as well as hosting ice-free Navy and trade ports. And, ditto why China deeply fears to its core having its trade routes on land or sea controlled by any nations who want it kept weak as NATO's founding principals expressly declare for Russia.
I never forget NATO, EU and ICC headquarters are in Belgium and the Netherlands, "neutral" nations created out of thin air from the remnants of other nations after the end of the Napoleonic Wars. Netherlands happy until its last elections to seize farm lands for global climate fear-porn. Belgium's borders enclosing Flemish and French speakers were drawn *for* the convenience of that war's top victors: the UK and some small German nations who treated Russia then as a hopelessly backward nation. So similar to WW1 victors carving up the Mideast for their own convenience drawing lines through every strong ethic group to weaken them.
Guess where the Belgian and Dutch gold reserves ended up after WW1 and WW2? Note what rivers meet the sea at The Hague and Amsterdam. Coincidence? at the end of the Napoleonic Wars the VOC, the world's oldest corporation, was magically dissolved and its assets ended up in the Dutch royal family's bank accounts.
The Belgian royal family was in fact created and installed by then UK powerhouse which selected the widower of its dead Crown Princess Charlotte to be Belgium's first king: King Leopold 1. He was also the blood uncle of Queen Victoria's husband Albert, both men from the poor and small German Saxe Coburg Gotha duchy. Leo 1 quickly spawned King Leopold 2, the slaver of the Congo as depicted in Conrad's "Heart of Darkness. Leo 1 also spawned Empress Carlotta of Mexico who was married off to Maximillian, a brother of the then Austro-Hungarian Emperor and WW1 leader Kaiser Franz Joseph. Max & Carlotta were installed as rulers of Mexico during the US Civil War strongly supported by Belgium, UK, France and Franz Joseph.
Those kinds of titular "leaders" and their enablers/profiteers are ruthless and don't care one whit for any "populace" on the planet. They feel entitled to rule always over other humans and literally use them, too, as "dumb peasants" or actual slaves. They have insatiable desires for ever more power. Psychopaths one and all. Exactly like narco-terrorist mafias using thuggery to intimidate, manipulate, and defeat any opponents.
Great historical perspective and excellent points!! I do think a lot of this is an effort by those people historically in power through their dynasties of “aristocracy” to wrest back full control.
They never give up until they loose a big war or get executed while their "bankers" merrily roll on funding their Great Game Exploits. UK tried to get back the USA as a colony in the 1812 War. Then again by it with help from France, Belgium and the Austro-Hungarian Empire sending Max & Carlotta to Mexico during our Civil War to try to grab back big chunks of Old Mexico won by the USA in the Mex-American War. Max, a brother of Austro-Hungarian Emperor Franz Joseph (who was a key sleepwalker into WW1) and Carlotta, a daughter of Belgian King Leopold 1 and a niece of Queen Victoria's husband.... a Big Game in the 1860s for Euro ruling families and their bankers to try "officially" to control all Mexican customs/import taxes but really just a cash and land grab attemot. Abraham Lincoln financially supported Benito Juarez who fought and beat the Euro-royals.
This Sunday Mexico elects a new president for a 6 year term. To date this election cycle 36 mayorial and other candidates have been assassinated, the kind of mess royals and their ilk constantly use as an excuse to be "benevolent" tyrants. The 3 lead presidential candidates have had 3 debates since April this year. I wishing Mexico well on Sunday.
They should transfer that hate to Xi who is systematically planning the destruction of the West, primarily US. All the Chinese military-age men crossing our border every day did so with Chinese permission and also our dementia ridden puppet president.
Hating all things Russian is part of our US DNA. We have to hate Putin. Just like we have to trust our overlords. We can not fathom agreeing with Putin any more than we can imagine our government destroying this country.
Cue the Rude Awakening. Come Lord Jesus!
The only reason the hate Mr Putin is because they read it in the captured MSM of choice.
“1) unilateral support of Israel”
By whom, specifically?
Your comments are always intelligent RL, so I think you are messing with me here. There is a 99.9% overlap of those pushing Ukraine who are also Israel-first neocons. I can't think of a singe Ukraine hawk who doesn't also want to throw billions at Israel.
Go down the line on the GOP side; Johnson, McConnell, Rubio, Cotton, Graham, Haley, etc. It's the same on the Dem side with Schumer and his ilk. Plus the entire foreign policy and pundit crowd: Blinken, Nuland, Kristol, Podhoretz, Shapiro, and all of the others. If they are pushing Ukraine they are also pushing Israel. There are a few that support Israel but have not said much about Ukraine, but none the other way around that I can think of.
So why is that? Do war-mongers just tend to love mayhem no matter where it's happening? Perhaps. A more likely explanation is that Israel sees a Russian defeat as in its interests due to Russia's historical animosity towards Israel and Jews in general. Clearly everything coming out of Ukraine has been a lie for two solid years yet Lindsay Graham still spouts nonsense about fighting for Ukrainian democracy. No one is this stupid, he knows what he's saying is completely false but he still does it. Why?
There are plenty more examples in the last thirty years where the US ended up in wars where it didn't belong, all of which worked to Israel's interests to destabilize its enemies. Serbia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and now Ukraine. They've been agitating for war with Iran for the last twenty years. It didn't used to be like this.
The best explanation I can think of is that Graham is compromised, probably by Mossad (ala a Jeffrey Epstein-type set up). There are plenty more like him.
Thank you for your response.
I was not actually messing with you, and am sorry that you had that feeling. I misunderstood who you were talking about, which is why I asked that question, in order to clarify if I’d understood correctly (clearly I had not). I thought you were not just taking about certain Americans (mostly neocons) but also about countries in Europe. I appreciate your clarification.
I would argue though that there are a fair number of Democrats who only pay lip service to supporting Israel but don’t really in reality. The people behind the pallets of cash to Iran certainly weren’t helping the Israelis with that action, for example.
I wonder if some of them hate him because they wish they could run their own country the way he does but aren't competent and liked enough to make it happen?
I agree, stop the clarifying comment.
To clarify, i approve of the prior clarification
I actually made a post about the same thing!
Exactly. "It's indisputable that Russians are better off" and the Russians fully know this and are very grateful for Putin's leadership after the fall of the Politburo and the ensuing chaos of the following years.
There was a time, not so long ago, when many Russians wanted so badly to come to America to live.....not so much, anymore.
Let's go Brandon.
I have a friend moving to Russia with his Russian wife. He claims everything is cheap, the people are friendly and it’s beautiful……
....he's right.
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One of Putin's avowed enemies is George Soros. I'm probably not alone in saying I'd choose Putin over anyone associated with George Soros, any day.
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Well said.
It may surprise many people that, under and as a result of Putin's leadership, very many Western families (and single folk) have chosen to move to Russia in recent years. A simple YouTube search substantiates this.
Why?
Seems to be for many of the reasons spoken about and debated right here on C & C.
Go woke, go broke.
Yes, Russia is a family oriented Christian country.
I find it an outrage that anybody has to tippy toes around on the subject of Putin with obligatory displays of virtue signalling and grand shows of 'plausible denial' of endorsement. Consider that the United States (CIA/Deep States) has done nothing but pick wars on made up fairy tale pretexts, bullied the world using 'financial inducements and punishments' and styled itself into a planetary terror instrument ... even against its own alleged 'citizens'. There is no 'democracy' in the United States, no rule of law and no liberty. Only enslavement. And yet, Putin is the Cartoon Caricature of Incarnate of Evil ... and we are supposed to swallow that one down whole?
The United States should have embraced Russia with open arms after the fall of the Soviets. But United States could not do so because the United States is a 'government' ruled over by Satanic Monsters. Putin has the respect of the rest of the non-Western world while the United States is rightfully despised and hated around the globe ... and with good reason.
It is truly unfortunate just how accurate your words are, davekb !
When I was a kid in the 1950s Greek and Roman genre films on the TV ... and I really wanted to how civilizations could possibly let themselves go to ruin when they had such a good thing going. I guess, and in retrospect, I should have been more circumspect in my wonderings.
If it gets to be too much, take some time out. Compare these two versions of the same song. Which do you like better ... or even is that a fair question.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTbNCezCJNM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQUlA8Hcv4s
A patch of blue sky is always just around the corner. However, the question is now how much pain must be endured? A boat load of Bolshevik or Mao pain? A wheelbarrow of Madame Guillotine Pain? Pol Pot or fall of the Soviets pain? A city under seize pain? It seems there is always a price somewhere to be paid. And what goes around comes around.
While the young lady's rendition is good - I am an ELO fan from way back, and the Jeff Lynne and bandmates' original version is my preference.
As to blue skies ?
Somewhere.
Here's to "what goes around comes around" !
There certainly more heat in the ELO original. And to have to pick one over the other would be a false comparison. What is striking to me is that the two are so different ... and yet the same song.
"more heat".... I like that, lol.
Yeah - her sultry version has its place.
But if you wanna tap ur feat ?
Interesting fact - ELO has the most 'Top 40' hits, in the USA - without EVER grabbing the number 1 spot.
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I did not know that. Thanks.
100%. I was going to say the same thing but you already did. I know Jeff is a lawyer so part weasel (jest!) so prone to qualifying words, but regarding Putin he needs to stop with the 'I'm no Putin fan....' qualifier. No need.. it's not 2022. Most people know now Putin is the good guy.
Concur! I'm a retired, certified Cold Warrior, but this isn't the Cold War. Russia is longer communist. I think VVP is aces, and by the way if you think he's a scary loose cannon, get a load of some of the Lindsey Graham type hopefuls wanting to replace him.
Yes, Jeff C., actions indeed speak louder than words & the actions of Putin for his country & the hatred our “leaders” have for theirs is blatant. In addition, anything our demonic administration is against, I am FOR & vice versa.
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Which is why Blinken wants to bomb Russia. Maybe we can get away with a minor incursion. Maybe we can walk into rattlesnake pits and not get bit. Maybe Tulsi Gabbard should be Trump’s running mate.
I fear his welcome if Nikki warmonger Hailey, and am starting to fear the bad advice he may listen to regarding foreign policy and Russia.
Yes!!!
I agree Putin has done a lot for the Russian people. But if you buck him you fall off balconies.
Well you get suicided here. So, there’s that.
There's corruption & balconies in any form of government. We are just more self-righteous. Democracy.
56 and counting of "friends and associates".
And I know personally many people from Russia who left there and came here and would never go back under any circumstances. They lived in very poor conditions and had little food and extremely poor healthcare. Imagine becoming ill and being hospitalized and forced to drink your own bile. I disagree with putting any communist/socialist country on a pedestal. No matter what the situation looks like here (at least for now) I would not want to change spots with the average person in Russia. Just adding a different perspective.
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And Putin, like Trump, has been strongly vocal against global human trafficking. Two of the most hated leaders on the planet due mostly to false narratives believed by people who don’t research on their own. Powerful anti new world order Christian men who clearly love their countries.
I agree 100%. He dwarfs the clowns in our government. WTP are not those in the swamp. I don't lay claim to anyone in that place, and they do not represent ME. I respect Putin for his restraint under the taunt of idiots who are soon to fall, and fall hard. (Prayer hands)
Very well - said!
I assert the current US administration declared war on its own people from the first day. 17 executive orders on first day, including shutting down domestic energy production (causing initial inflation spiral) and shutting down completion of the border wall. My recollection is hazy beyond that because the gestapo response to the spike protein virus and those who were inside the Capitol overtook everything in my mind. I just remember repeatedly shaking my head, had no inkling how fast and how far our sociopathic overlords would go.
Today an excellent segment in 2nd hour of Bannon’s War Room on how lawfare has frightened the bejeezus out of conservative lawyers, thanks in part to Project 65 and other efforts by the left. All of our heroic justices who hew to the Constitution are under attack, and not a peep out of groups like the Federalist Society. Jeff is our fearless hero!!! May more follow his example.
As for Congress: useless. And if we massively demonstrate against the escalation in WW3, we end up in prison without knowing the charges.