Another reason Victoria's Secret may be tanking. They don't (didn't?) prosecute shoplifters. In an era where people walk out with cartloads of merch and nobody stops them (and we are ALL paying for that), VS was the worst in our town. (Ok they did not call them out by name but they are the only lingerie store in town) I was in a citizen's police academy last year, where we sat through 9 different sessions learning about various aspects and challenges of our local PD. One week a detective told us about his frustration with retailers who call them regarding shoplifting and then DON'T PRESS CHARGES! He said some were better than others, but that VS was the WORST. Said they finally requested a meeting with corporate, telling them that if they didn't prosecute, to expect their calls for service to be slow walked. After initial misgivings, corporate decided it was OK for it's store managers to press charges. No idea of the reason, but our local PD does post pictures on social media of people caught on camera, asking for help identifying perps and let's just say there is a lot of diversity.
You’re right. Also, having fat, ugly models doesn’t help either. Having beautiful models gives women something to aspire towards. What woman sees a fat, ugly model and decides she wants to look like that for her husband?
Right? They don’t need to all be pencil-thin, women with curves are beautiful and many men prefer that. But I mean traditional curves, not curves how the term is used today to mean grossly overweight.
When I was first looking into DIE and CRT, years back, with an open mind, my conclusion was exactly yours. "Nutritionism is white," "hard work is white," etc. It is genocidal and ignores all the chemicals and pollutants in the food supply which can cause obesity due to influences during pregnancy, and ignores vitamin D and fasting, which, according to the FLCCC, can entirely reset the body through autophagy, and naturally they've never told us about any of those things. I also have been very suspicious about the dollar stores, owned by China, and what might be left out or put in the food which is sold to the poor.
But what if the fat ugly model is lifting weights or doing a yoga pose LOL? I see that one ad with that very large woman in a yoga pose with her feet over her head and can't help but wonder how many people it took to put her in that position, how quickly they must have had to film it before she fell over, and what damage she likely did when she fell. LOL. Clown world, indeed. Sadly, it influences people. Going to the supermarket these days is like watching a woke TV ad. They've even had to lock up the grocery bags due to theft.
Well the counterpoint to that is, it shows that fat people *can* work out. I’ve heard so many overweight people say they’re scared to go to the gym or try to start running because they think only skinny people do and they’ll stick out like a sore thumb. They’re afraid they can’t do it and afraid of judgmental looks. I’m all for not glorifying obesity but at the same time, I don’t see a problem with helping overweight people feel like they can exercise too. I’d rather encourage them to at least get some exercise in than stay home on the couch. Maybe it’s a little indulgent but I think it’s not a bad thing all in all.
At the gym I go to I see a truly diverse group of people. Fat ones, skinny ones, young ones, old ones, all different races, everyone doing their own thing. The atmosphere is very non-judgemental, and that's a beautiful thing. Personally I'd much rather see a fat person working out than a fat person who just sits around getting fatter. I'm so sorry to hear that some are scared to go to the gym - they might be pleasantly surprised if they tried it.
Amen! I’ve always worked out and when I see what is obviously someone new to working out, I try to give them a word of encouragement or at least a smile. We need more people taking care of themselves, at any size, rather than fewer.
Yes the gyms I’ve gone to have all been like that too. Most people are actually extremely encouraging and supportive of those who want to start living a healthier lifestyle. I think a few unkind comments people may have heard in the past and their experiences from the culture at large make them expect or fear that kind of negative judgment. I think it’s hard enough to start and maintain an exercise program without worrying about that other stuff too! So I feel for them.
Agree about encouraging exercise. There are some ads that do that well. Others seem to imply that everyone is capable of doing even the most extreme exercises b/c being morbidly obese isn't limiting at all, that's just a bigoted stereotype. That's the element I have issues with.
That makes sense. A lot of basic yoga poses can be done by most people though. And people can also be flexible but not necessarily very fit. It would be silly to have them doing a pose like flying pigeon though because the weight would be a limiting factor.
Well, yes, you make a good point about exercise but do we have to see obese people in deodorant commercials, and Dove body wash and bladder leak panty commercials? They go out of their way to find overweight and racially-correct people! 🤣 ok rant over.
Eww, eew. . . Not over. I almost vomit when I see that DEI "Always" pad commercial. Shot from about knee-level, and it's all FUPA and cameltoe and I think one of the "models" is a guy!
I remember seeing a very large, morbidly obese woman trying to use one of those rowers machines years ago at a gym. She was huffing and puffing and barely able to breathe, sweating profusely and looked like she might die any second. But I thought, good for her. At least she is trying, and for that matter, trying more than I was :)
Yes! And I always think that it probably took much more of an effort for that person to even GET to the gym, mentally (not in their routine maybe and fears of people looking at them askance) so it’s even more laudable in my opinion!
Yes!! I love that! I only started running in my 40s so still remember being a newbie and not very good at it and I soooo appreciated the encouragement I got from other runners! I try to pay it back by giving the same encouragement!
Right? I think some curves is fine, but they have really gone over the edge with this body positivity movement. It just looks awful. I see the images and I'm like "ugh, I don't want to look like that" and I close the browser. I don't know if that makes me a bad person or what...but when you see something that looks great and you think you might look great in, you buy it. When you see something that looks pretty bad on someone, you just close the browser down and move on with your day. You know?
It’s human nature. I’ve been working out for over 30 years. It wasn’t an obese person that inspired me. It was my hair dresser. She was beautiful and fit. I was a bit overweight and not nearly as beautiful, but that was okay.
One day we started talking about working out. She recommended TheFirm Vol. 6 as a good starter workout. I got into great shape! I still do TheFirm workouts at home ❤️
We should not glorify obesity. It’s killing people.
right? I am definitely not in the camp of wanting to shame anybody or anything. It's more - what should we be striving for? Well, we should be striving for good health. And whether we like it or not, a lower BMI (which has historically been much easier to attain given our much healthier wholesome food options previously and much more active lifestyles)...is associated with more healthy outcomes overall. So if it's wanting to "look good" that ultimately motivates us to make the right choices, well then so be it. I think it's no accident on God's part that looking our best and feeling our best is ultimately obtained by avoiding things that are terrible for us (junk food, no exercise, smoking, excess alcohol, drugs, other high risk behaviors, etc.). You know? It just seems there's a reason there's such a high correlation there.
Another reason Victoria's Secret may be tanking. They don't (didn't?) prosecute shoplifters. In an era where people walk out with cartloads of merch and nobody stops them (and we are ALL paying for that), VS was the worst in our town. (Ok they did not call them out by name but they are the only lingerie store in town) I was in a citizen's police academy last year, where we sat through 9 different sessions learning about various aspects and challenges of our local PD. One week a detective told us about his frustration with retailers who call them regarding shoplifting and then DON'T PRESS CHARGES! He said some were better than others, but that VS was the WORST. Said they finally requested a meeting with corporate, telling them that if they didn't prosecute, to expect their calls for service to be slow walked. After initial misgivings, corporate decided it was OK for it's store managers to press charges. No idea of the reason, but our local PD does post pictures on social media of people caught on camera, asking for help identifying perps and let's just say there is a lot of diversity.
You’re right. Also, having fat, ugly models doesn’t help either. Having beautiful models gives women something to aspire towards. What woman sees a fat, ugly model and decides she wants to look like that for her husband?
Right? They don’t need to all be pencil-thin, women with curves are beautiful and many men prefer that. But I mean traditional curves, not curves how the term is used today to mean grossly overweight.
Or all men?
Most of them like curves. I’m sure there are a few that like the stick straight look.
"Body positivity" is simply another of the many covert, concerted efforts to encourage the useless eaters to kill themselves.
When I was first looking into DIE and CRT, years back, with an open mind, my conclusion was exactly yours. "Nutritionism is white," "hard work is white," etc. It is genocidal and ignores all the chemicals and pollutants in the food supply which can cause obesity due to influences during pregnancy, and ignores vitamin D and fasting, which, according to the FLCCC, can entirely reset the body through autophagy, and naturally they've never told us about any of those things. I also have been very suspicious about the dollar stores, owned by China, and what might be left out or put in the food which is sold to the poor.
But what if the fat ugly model is lifting weights or doing a yoga pose LOL? I see that one ad with that very large woman in a yoga pose with her feet over her head and can't help but wonder how many people it took to put her in that position, how quickly they must have had to film it before she fell over, and what damage she likely did when she fell. LOL. Clown world, indeed. Sadly, it influences people. Going to the supermarket these days is like watching a woke TV ad. They've even had to lock up the grocery bags due to theft.
Well the counterpoint to that is, it shows that fat people *can* work out. I’ve heard so many overweight people say they’re scared to go to the gym or try to start running because they think only skinny people do and they’ll stick out like a sore thumb. They’re afraid they can’t do it and afraid of judgmental looks. I’m all for not glorifying obesity but at the same time, I don’t see a problem with helping overweight people feel like they can exercise too. I’d rather encourage them to at least get some exercise in than stay home on the couch. Maybe it’s a little indulgent but I think it’s not a bad thing all in all.
At the gym I go to I see a truly diverse group of people. Fat ones, skinny ones, young ones, old ones, all different races, everyone doing their own thing. The atmosphere is very non-judgemental, and that's a beautiful thing. Personally I'd much rather see a fat person working out than a fat person who just sits around getting fatter. I'm so sorry to hear that some are scared to go to the gym - they might be pleasantly surprised if they tried it.
Amen! I’ve always worked out and when I see what is obviously someone new to working out, I try to give them a word of encouragement or at least a smile. We need more people taking care of themselves, at any size, rather than fewer.
Yes the gyms I’ve gone to have all been like that too. Most people are actually extremely encouraging and supportive of those who want to start living a healthier lifestyle. I think a few unkind comments people may have heard in the past and their experiences from the culture at large make them expect or fear that kind of negative judgment. I think it’s hard enough to start and maintain an exercise program without worrying about that other stuff too! So I feel for them.
Agree about encouraging exercise. There are some ads that do that well. Others seem to imply that everyone is capable of doing even the most extreme exercises b/c being morbidly obese isn't limiting at all, that's just a bigoted stereotype. That's the element I have issues with.
That makes sense. A lot of basic yoga poses can be done by most people though. And people can also be flexible but not necessarily very fit. It would be silly to have them doing a pose like flying pigeon though because the weight would be a limiting factor.
Well, yes, you make a good point about exercise but do we have to see obese people in deodorant commercials, and Dove body wash and bladder leak panty commercials? They go out of their way to find overweight and racially-correct people! 🤣 ok rant over.
Eww, eew. . . Not over. I almost vomit when I see that DEI "Always" pad commercial. Shot from about knee-level, and it's all FUPA and cameltoe and I think one of the "models" is a guy!
Ew!! 😂
Makes me especially glad I don’t have a TV because I have never seen this commercial (thank goodness!!) 😆
I remember seeing a very large, morbidly obese woman trying to use one of those rowers machines years ago at a gym. She was huffing and puffing and barely able to breathe, sweating profusely and looked like she might die any second. But I thought, good for her. At least she is trying, and for that matter, trying more than I was :)
Yes! And I always think that it probably took much more of an effort for that person to even GET to the gym, mentally (not in their routine maybe and fears of people looking at them askance) so it’s even more laudable in my opinion!
Exactly. I always try to throw out a "looking good!" to people I see on my run when it is obvious they are just starting their journey into fitness.
Yes!! I love that! I only started running in my 40s so still remember being a newbie and not very good at it and I soooo appreciated the encouragement I got from other runners! I try to pay it back by giving the same encouragement!
Right? I think some curves is fine, but they have really gone over the edge with this body positivity movement. It just looks awful. I see the images and I'm like "ugh, I don't want to look like that" and I close the browser. I don't know if that makes me a bad person or what...but when you see something that looks great and you think you might look great in, you buy it. When you see something that looks pretty bad on someone, you just close the browser down and move on with your day. You know?
It’s human nature. I’ve been working out for over 30 years. It wasn’t an obese person that inspired me. It was my hair dresser. She was beautiful and fit. I was a bit overweight and not nearly as beautiful, but that was okay.
One day we started talking about working out. She recommended TheFirm Vol. 6 as a good starter workout. I got into great shape! I still do TheFirm workouts at home ❤️
We should not glorify obesity. It’s killing people.
right? I am definitely not in the camp of wanting to shame anybody or anything. It's more - what should we be striving for? Well, we should be striving for good health. And whether we like it or not, a lower BMI (which has historically been much easier to attain given our much healthier wholesome food options previously and much more active lifestyles)...is associated with more healthy outcomes overall. So if it's wanting to "look good" that ultimately motivates us to make the right choices, well then so be it. I think it's no accident on God's part that looking our best and feeling our best is ultimately obtained by avoiding things that are terrible for us (junk food, no exercise, smoking, excess alcohol, drugs, other high risk behaviors, etc.). You know? It just seems there's a reason there's such a high correlation there.