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CStone's avatar

Or if we listen to you and pretend we aren’t aware that you deeply hate him .

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Johnny-O's avatar

I'm just not into worshipping politicians like you. And I also don't lie to myself about reality. He is some wizard genius and then appoints people like Barr, Bolton, runs with Pence, etc.....sorry if I don't worship someone who pushed the poison death shot. Do you see how silly this looks from my point of view? You guys think Elon is some patriot....I could go on, but there is no need.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Oh, the hate, the hate, the hate, hate, hate! These must be very difficult days for you🤯

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Johnny-O's avatar

I'm going to vote for Trump. I don't worship him like you. People like you is why we have such a broken system. How can we do better if you think your candidate is already perfect? Do you not remember the swamp creatures he appointed in his first administration? Pushing the toxic bioweapon? Adding $8 trillion in debt? No, you don't somehow remember these things, which is why I repeatedly talk about it. Politicians are public servants, not gods.

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Gary’S's avatar

Yeah. The reverence some voters shower on their preferred candidates — combined with the attitude that their elected leaders can do no wrong — borders on “worship”.

It would be interesting to pick your brain about “what things look like from your point of view”, just to discover what ethical values and commonalities we share, based on common knowledge and common sense.

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Johnny-O's avatar

I just want people to acknowledge reality, that is all. I realize presidents are in impossible positions. I also realize, that if you were going to be president, you are going to have to make some difficult decisions, and you and your family may be threatened. That is part of the job, so put your big boy shoes on. I can't reconcile Trump pushing a toxic bioweapon - sorry if you were threatened, but that is a condition of your employment unfortunately. I would take a bullet to the head before telling millions and millions of people to take poison.

At the end of the day, most of us want the same things: a healthy environment, good schools/education for our kids, good jobs, healthy food, safe communities. Politicians all promise these things, but don't deliver because they aren't dictators and simply cannot. When we expect this it is to our own detriment, and then fall into the partisan trap: "If only it weren't for the democrats" or "If only it weren't for the republicans." Bologna - the system is functioning as intended - to concentrate wealth and power and keep the rest of us down. Politicians piss on us and tell us its raining, and sadly, many people believe it.

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Gary’S's avatar

Many people — i.e. the individuals who make up the (Greek) dēmos/the mob, the hoi polloi, the mass, the vast majority, the public — believe that the elected politicians are the rulers of the system. I think that’s wrong headed. The politicians are part of the managerial class. The real rulers? It takes going down quite a few rabbit holes to discover who’s at the pinnacle of the pathocratic power hierarchy.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

If the election had not been stolen, if the American public had not accepted the steal-Trump would have paid off the national debt from oil revenues. We had achieved energy independence and were ready to market to the world.

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Jay Horton's avatar

One thing to realize is that our hegemony on oil via the Petro-dollar is quickly vanishing. I want what you have said to be so true but the rest of the world has started moving on.

Later Jay

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Johnny-O's avatar

We have 34 trillion dollars in oil ready to be extracted and sold? What planet do you live on?

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Lol Cstone.

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