I think the virus was artificial twice over. I mean, it was easy to 'manipulate' and no tricky technology was required. Because it was created on a computer. As such any segments can be included, it's still a string of computer coding.
Not until the vaccines were made did this string of computer…
I think the virus was artificial twice over. I mean, it was easy to 'manipulate' and no tricky technology was required. Because it was created on a computer. As such any segments can be included, it's still a string of computer coding.
Not until the vaccines were made did this string of computer coding start to take on a physical reality.
My evidence: that death rates did not go up (except in institutions) until the vaccine rollout. There's much evidence for that statement I'll describe some if anyone wants it.
To be sure, before the vaccines people got sick, but in my observation this was because (a) people do get sick every year (b) the relentless propaganda and fearporn made people sick in body and mind (c) the authorities deliberately made people sick in various ways.
Exactly right Rosie! All demonstrated by Dr. David Martin from the beginning. It was NOT a virus. It was a man-made construct from a computer simulation of a coronavirus. AND it was replication defective. It had to be MANUALLY deployed in order to simulate a pandemic. What friggin' con!
And to your point, all-cause mortality did not go up UNTIL after the shot was deployed - the real kill weapon. The pandemic was instilled in the public mind by reclassifying all colds and flu's as "covid". It was all bullshit. And we're still falling for it.
I see all of the ideals behind this thought process and do respect them however, I was very, very sick with Covid. My feet were on fire and my stomach was burning. I could not keep anything down or inside of my body. My sense of taste completely disappeared. It took a year for it to come back. I have overall been a very healthy holistic person all of my life, (Westen Price, raw milk, organic foods no antibiotics use glass not plastic breast-feed for three years, homeschool, etc. )but I have never experienced something like that, I believe it was man-made, but I do believe it existed even prior to the vaccine.
I remember David Martin's address to the Corona Ausschuss quite early on. I remember him describing the lengthy list of patents.
Can you help me out, either I misunderstood him, or you did!
I thought he was telling us about 'gain of function' on actual physical viruses. But I think you are saying that he showed that it was never physical, nothing more than a list of letters. If so I wish I'd grasped that point more quickly.
I’ve read for 5 years that the “virus” has never been isolated. That it is non existent. If that’s the case then WHAT was it that millions of people contracted? I was VERY sick during Thanksgiving 2020 with the symptoms everyone else had. I don’t believe it was the simple flu. What flu ever took the sense of smell and taste from millions? BEFORE the kill shot. Never before from my knowledge. This is the 1 thing that validates the existence of something.
Most of the wide awake people here are not falling for it, Phil, and you are right so many still are wearing masks, etc., but along with the man-made construct virus was the real-killer “cure” bioweapon “vaccine”. We all pretty much have the picture. But stupid people don’t know they are stupid!
“Like” for supporting you in being allowed to have a difference of opinion and to be allowed to share it.
One thing I love about C&C is that we embrace free speech wholly. We like to debate all sides. Shaming someone for their sharing of an unpopular opinion that triggers you and then telling them to “stay on topic” and keep their prejudices to themselves is just wrong and a form of bullying to silence someone. It actually happened elsewhere in this community chat today. I know for certain I am not the only one noticing.
Even if I disagreed with that original poster’s opinion, I don’t feel a need to silence them or their views. Anyone that does that has something deeply disturbing and wrong inside of them.
I agree. As long as people express their opinion civilly, I am glad to have the opportunity to read different points of view. It enriches the discussion. We don’t all have to agree on every single thing.
Fine. Just so long as your definition of civility doesn’t go so far as to attempt to silence those of us with strong opinions, who having lived many decades, are done with stupidity and eager to move it on down the road.
Case in point; President Trump and his ‘mean tweets’ and shorthand descriptive nicknames.
I have never attempted to silence anyone with strong opinions, whether or not I share them. I am kind of surprised you would make that remark to me, for as long as we’ve both been on here commenting. It’s kind of a moot point, because I wouldn’t have the power to silence anyone here anyway, even if I wanted to, which I don’t. But I have certainly been subject to sone rather rude and juvenile name-calling and in a few discussions. I just don’t engage with those people anymore. If a person can’t have a disagreement or difference of opinion without being foul mouthed and making ad hominem attacks, I’m not interested in any discussion with them. That’s all I meant to say with my comment about being civil.
Well you responded to *me* specifically, and didn’t say that you were speaking in more general terms. So it seems kind of natural that I might think the comment was meant for me, and you also used the wording “*your* definition of civility” in your response 🤷♀️ It was at the very least ambiguous. So that’s why I misunderstood, I guess. But thank you for the clarification.
No worries! 🙂 That’s the hard part about commenting online, not having tone of voice or seeing a person’s facial expressions to help with nuances of meaning 🙂 It’s easier to misconstrue a comment.
Jessica Hockett has done a deep dive into what went on in New York, and she keeps getting railroaded on her FOI requests on hospital bed occupancy and death certificates in the "ground zero" of the COVID disaster.
There was an increase in death rates, and most of it was hospital and nursing home deaths. Nursing homes, because perhaps they were not sent to hospitals during lockdown and in hospitals due to "hospital protocols" rather than a "dangerous novel virus" doing the job itself.
And it can't be underrated the constant fear and panic narratives hammered into the public for years.
Their protocols nearly killed me, my doctor refused to treat my double pneumonia because it was " viral " then I was coughing so hard I blew a hole in my lung and collapsed it. 12 days in the hospital with a chest tube!😡
Former son in law was a Navy nurse on the Mercy docked in NYC, and he said they were never busy, at most ~100 patients, and most not with covid. Meanwhile, crew was billeted in NYC hotels when not on duty, and not even allowed to leave their rooms.
We should be able to find a ton of anecdotal reports on EMT's first responders, doctors, and nurses, all harried and over-worked due to COVID in NYC.
There are some stories to this effect. but most of what I remember early on the nurse in NYC who struggled with the protocols employed during Covid, not the disease itself. A lot of times, intubation was attractive because the workers felt afraid they would catch Covid.
Yes my mother died completely alone in a hospital room. It enrages me how many people made millions and didn’t give a rat’s patootie about all the people they basically killed.
I did get to experience that loneliness during my four-month stay at the hospital in 2021-2022. At one point around Christmas, there was an uptake in Covid patients and they restricted visitation for about two weeks. I could contact others during that time and did, but I see now far more on the patient end the value of those who came to visit me.
I was not hospitalized for Covid but for recovery from an amputation due to Long Diabetes, which I was diagnosed with back in 2016, but suspected much longer.
There have been many whistleblowers who have witnessed outright euthanasia! Zip tied to beds, unfed for weeks, administered death drugs like morphine and remdesivir. Taking very ill to nursing homes to spread the “love”. It was a very dark and horrible time in our history! How staff could turn into such beasts, I cannot imagine.
A read of The Gulag Archipelago will give you the answer.
I have seen a lot of the videos of nurses who witnessed these events and families who endured them. The most heart-breaking were the ones where the parents were separated from special needs children or elderly who were senile, or had other areas of incapacity.
I agree with you on the death rates, but there was something more than the flu going on. In January/February, people were getting weirdly ill. I personally know an adult whose oxygen levels were so low, it baffled doctors that she was still conscious. And a few kids around 10 years old who were temporarily paralyzed with confusingly low iron levels. And others with what we now know is covid toe. This is all not normal flu.
They all were connected to private schools, one which had a Chinese exchange student who came back from China after break and was out sick in January 2020.
I had the same experience. Weirdly ill though I got over it in a matter of days as I was taking ivermectin and hydroxychlorine. But what no one wants to talk about is that no natural pathogen, altered or not, would produce such a WIDE range of different effects. These symptoms are OBVIOUSLY induced by an artificial toxin... a synthetic man-made vector.
Thank you, Quiltlady! To run a study accurately, you want to keep your subjects physically separated and away from as many healthy factors as possible that would counteract the negative effects being tested, like sunlight, negative ions from nature/bodies of water, social interaction, etc. This might be the reason, in part, why the lockdowns were enforced to such an extreme degree.
Same with my hubby and I… Nasty, nasty, flu… No taste or smell… 101° to 103° fever for 8 to 11 days. My four youngest boys got over it pretty quickly… No issues… 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽 we took horse paste. Obviously not a good enough dose. 🤨
I have said the whole time whatever it's called it's like nothing I've ever had before. No taste or smell for weeks. Fatigue and fever for weeks. Developed a nasty sinus infection with days of 104 temp. Had to get antibiotics. I've never had an infection in my life. No Vax. I am just getting over the flu and it's the devil also. Others horror stories about this flu abound. Some people are sick for weeks. I'm assuming most are maxed but some people I know personally have not been jabbed but still are having a hard time recovering.
@Phil- besides heart damage, my husband has had a range of weird things. I've taken it upon my self to get ahold of an immunologist for him. He goes later this month. I wanna see what the bloodwork shows. Yes, he had the shots. I didn't.
The problem is that "weirdly ill" in a time of "weirdness" could just be subjective in nature. I got sick in February of that year and remember idly thinking that it could be Covid. We were already talking about people who went to the hospital in their seventies and tested negative for the flu.
But, if you talk to people who are old, do they ever claim that getting ill always remains the same as you get older?
Throughout my life, I have gotten weirdly ill on a number of occasions. If I had been told at the time there was a "novel deadly virus" going around I would immediately go...this must be it then. But is it?
I do not discount the toxin theory though. I mean, they coerced everyone to take an experimental injection, so would they also induce it by releasing a toxin?
The problem with these "something more than the flu going around" is how much of it were actual problems vs. perceived problems? Some people did get ill, but was it a toxin? Was it something they ate or drank?
I don't know. The problem is it wasn't universal, ubiquitous, and deadly, was it? It could also very well could have been some sort of malnutrition. And there were a lot of negative narratives going around at the time. Can the cumulative effect of negativity have physiological ramifications?
The Chinese exchange student..is a product of our Hollywood contagion theory of disease. The problem is diseases don't work like that. RNA cannot pandemic. It mutates far too quickly. The guys from the Cochrane review will also tell you that only a very small percentage of what we attribute to "cold and flu" respiratory-like illness comes from "known sources." So we all could very well constantly be inundated by "novel sources" of these symptoms.
I also point at human nature. How many child abduction stories does it take before we all start keeping our children on a tighter leash? Highway sniper stories and there is a perception that at each exit ramp there lies a lone shooter. How many pit bull attacks before the kennels are full of rescue "bulls"?
I posted a Facebook post five years ago yesterday that featured the character from "Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy..but as a coronavirus with the caption "Don't Panic and Take All The Toilet Paper." It was already far too late.
@Liz- I've been saying that since the beginning. Think of all the Silent Generation and the older Boomers who could have been wiped out, saving SS billions.
Agree 100% and pelosi and obeyme went to china, just before. To Wuhan’s, actually. Right to that lab. Do you think they were there for a friendly visit? They needed a way to keep trump out of office, and killing him would martyr him. So mail in ballots! Yay. Get china to take the blame. “ what can we offer china?” 85 billion in weapons, and poppy fields. “Ok we take blame”. For a virus that doesn’t exist, so they can test humanity, roll out a kill shot, steal an election. Three birds.
Anyway, interesting reading, including the Master's Thesis that was translated. It's been too long now, but read other articles around that time comparing covid to RATG13.
Well I hope I'm allowed a different opinion.
I think the virus was artificial twice over. I mean, it was easy to 'manipulate' and no tricky technology was required. Because it was created on a computer. As such any segments can be included, it's still a string of computer coding.
Not until the vaccines were made did this string of computer coding start to take on a physical reality.
My evidence: that death rates did not go up (except in institutions) until the vaccine rollout. There's much evidence for that statement I'll describe some if anyone wants it.
To be sure, before the vaccines people got sick, but in my observation this was because (a) people do get sick every year (b) the relentless propaganda and fearporn made people sick in body and mind (c) the authorities deliberately made people sick in various ways.
Exactly right Rosie! All demonstrated by Dr. David Martin from the beginning. It was NOT a virus. It was a man-made construct from a computer simulation of a coronavirus. AND it was replication defective. It had to be MANUALLY deployed in order to simulate a pandemic. What friggin' con!
And to your point, all-cause mortality did not go up UNTIL after the shot was deployed - the real kill weapon. The pandemic was instilled in the public mind by reclassifying all colds and flu's as "covid". It was all bullshit. And we're still falling for it.
the real pandemic was Fear, not a virus.
I agree. People are still "getting sick with covid" and at this point that's literally impossible.
I see all of the ideals behind this thought process and do respect them however, I was very, very sick with Covid. My feet were on fire and my stomach was burning. I could not keep anything down or inside of my body. My sense of taste completely disappeared. It took a year for it to come back. I have overall been a very healthy holistic person all of my life, (Westen Price, raw milk, organic foods no antibiotics use glass not plastic breast-feed for three years, homeschool, etc. )but I have never experienced something like that, I believe it was man-made, but I do believe it existed even prior to the vaccine.
Bad flu!
I remember David Martin's address to the Corona Ausschuss quite early on. I remember him describing the lengthy list of patents.
Can you help me out, either I misunderstood him, or you did!
I thought he was telling us about 'gain of function' on actual physical viruses. But I think you are saying that he showed that it was never physical, nothing more than a list of letters. If so I wish I'd grasped that point more quickly.
I’ve read for 5 years that the “virus” has never been isolated. That it is non existent. If that’s the case then WHAT was it that millions of people contracted? I was VERY sick during Thanksgiving 2020 with the symptoms everyone else had. I don’t believe it was the simple flu. What flu ever took the sense of smell and taste from millions? BEFORE the kill shot. Never before from my knowledge. This is the 1 thing that validates the existence of something.
Well in my opinion, and I have some supportive observations as well, that 'something' was a toxic chemical. Glyphosate is a possibility.
It doesn't need to be a single toxin. Recalling that toxins can interact, including radiation.
Most of the wide awake people here are not falling for it, Phil, and you are right so many still are wearing masks, etc., but along with the man-made construct virus was the real-killer “cure” bioweapon “vaccine”. We all pretty much have the picture. But stupid people don’t know they are stupid!
“Like” for supporting you in being allowed to have a difference of opinion and to be allowed to share it.
One thing I love about C&C is that we embrace free speech wholly. We like to debate all sides. Shaming someone for their sharing of an unpopular opinion that triggers you and then telling them to “stay on topic” and keep their prejudices to themselves is just wrong and a form of bullying to silence someone. It actually happened elsewhere in this community chat today. I know for certain I am not the only one noticing.
Even if I disagreed with that original poster’s opinion, I don’t feel a need to silence them or their views. Anyone that does that has something deeply disturbing and wrong inside of them.
I agree. As long as people express their opinion civilly, I am glad to have the opportunity to read different points of view. It enriches the discussion. We don’t all have to agree on every single thing.
Fine. Just so long as your definition of civility doesn’t go so far as to attempt to silence those of us with strong opinions, who having lived many decades, are done with stupidity and eager to move it on down the road.
Case in point; President Trump and his ‘mean tweets’ and shorthand descriptive nicknames.
@Willing- I'm with you on the name calling. It's one reason we stopped watching Hannity.
Watching Hannity “shill” for the death shot stopped me from ever watching him again… 🔥
@GBA- He did? Yikes.
@Anja- have you read Chadwick Moore's book on Tucker? Again....yikes. It's an honest, well written book but....yikes...
@Anja- despite his boyish looks, Tucker's not an angel.
I've heard Tucker assure everyone watching that he has a "past".
I have never attempted to silence anyone with strong opinions, whether or not I share them. I am kind of surprised you would make that remark to me, for as long as we’ve both been on here commenting. It’s kind of a moot point, because I wouldn’t have the power to silence anyone here anyway, even if I wanted to, which I don’t. But I have certainly been subject to sone rather rude and juvenile name-calling and in a few discussions. I just don’t engage with those people anymore. If a person can’t have a disagreement or difference of opinion without being foul mouthed and making ad hominem attacks, I’m not interested in any discussion with them. That’s all I meant to say with my comment about being civil.
I really wasn’t intending to call anyone out specifically. If the shoe doesn’t fit, don’t wear it.
Well you responded to *me* specifically, and didn’t say that you were speaking in more general terms. So it seems kind of natural that I might think the comment was meant for me, and you also used the wording “*your* definition of civility” in your response 🤷♀️ It was at the very least ambiguous. So that’s why I misunderstood, I guess. But thank you for the clarification.
My sincere apologies. My language skills should have led me to say, “…one’s definition of civility.”
No worries! 🙂 That’s the hard part about commenting online, not having tone of voice or seeing a person’s facial expressions to help with nuances of meaning 🙂 It’s easier to misconstrue a comment.
Thank you Juju. Civility reigns.
Integrity reigns. Hitler enjoyed classical music and was quite ‘civil’ by some definitions.
Good point. Reminds me of the charming, articulate, well groomed gentleman named Ted Bundy.
@Willing-he knew the arts quite well.
A new phrase that I really dislike "stay in your lane". Am I missing something? Under what circumstances would saying that be a helpful comment?
Came out of the same culture as ‘b*tches and ho’s’.
I also dislike.
Saw it in the workplace to try and shut down any criticism of incompetent work.
Jessica Hockett has done a deep dive into what went on in New York, and she keeps getting railroaded on her FOI requests on hospital bed occupancy and death certificates in the "ground zero" of the COVID disaster.
There was an increase in death rates, and most of it was hospital and nursing home deaths. Nursing homes, because perhaps they were not sent to hospitals during lockdown and in hospitals due to "hospital protocols" rather than a "dangerous novel virus" doing the job itself.
And it can't be underrated the constant fear and panic narratives hammered into the public for years.
Exactly. The CDC mandated protocols were lethal.
Their protocols nearly killed me, my doctor refused to treat my double pneumonia because it was " viral " then I was coughing so hard I blew a hole in my lung and collapsed it. 12 days in the hospital with a chest tube!😡
So glad you made it out!
Thanks Katherine, I'm glad too!!😊
Former son in law was a Navy nurse on the Mercy docked in NYC, and he said they were never busy, at most ~100 patients, and most not with covid. Meanwhile, crew was billeted in NYC hotels when not on duty, and not even allowed to leave their rooms.
Just more oddness and weirdness.
We should be able to find a ton of anecdotal reports on EMT's first responders, doctors, and nurses, all harried and over-worked due to COVID in NYC.
There are some stories to this effect. but most of what I remember early on the nurse in NYC who struggled with the protocols employed during Covid, not the disease itself. A lot of times, intubation was attractive because the workers felt afraid they would catch Covid.
Yes my mother died completely alone in a hospital room. It enrages me how many people made millions and didn’t give a rat’s patootie about all the people they basically killed.
I did get to experience that loneliness during my four-month stay at the hospital in 2021-2022. At one point around Christmas, there was an uptake in Covid patients and they restricted visitation for about two weeks. I could contact others during that time and did, but I see now far more on the patient end the value of those who came to visit me.
I was not hospitalized for Covid but for recovery from an amputation due to Long Diabetes, which I was diagnosed with back in 2016, but suspected much longer.
There have been many whistleblowers who have witnessed outright euthanasia! Zip tied to beds, unfed for weeks, administered death drugs like morphine and remdesivir. Taking very ill to nursing homes to spread the “love”. It was a very dark and horrible time in our history! How staff could turn into such beasts, I cannot imagine.
A read of The Gulag Archipelago will give you the answer.
I have seen a lot of the videos of nurses who witnessed these events and families who endured them. The most heart-breaking were the ones where the parents were separated from special needs children or elderly who were senile, or had other areas of incapacity.
I agree with you on the death rates, but there was something more than the flu going on. In January/February, people were getting weirdly ill. I personally know an adult whose oxygen levels were so low, it baffled doctors that she was still conscious. And a few kids around 10 years old who were temporarily paralyzed with confusingly low iron levels. And others with what we now know is covid toe. This is all not normal flu.
They all were connected to private schools, one which had a Chinese exchange student who came back from China after break and was out sick in January 2020.
I had the same experience. Weirdly ill though I got over it in a matter of days as I was taking ivermectin and hydroxychlorine. But what no one wants to talk about is that no natural pathogen, altered or not, would produce such a WIDE range of different effects. These symptoms are OBVIOUSLY induced by an artificial toxin... a synthetic man-made vector.
5G roll out and activation?
Thank you Hannah! I was about to comment the same. The symptoms of Covid 19 are exactly the same as the symptoms of EMF Radiation poisoning.
Thank you, Quiltlady! To run a study accurately, you want to keep your subjects physically separated and away from as many healthy factors as possible that would counteract the negative effects being tested, like sunlight, negative ions from nature/bodies of water, social interaction, etc. This might be the reason, in part, why the lockdowns were enforced to such an extreme degree.
Good point. The plandemic attack was a mosaic attack on us.
Que chemtrails
Same with my hubby and I… Nasty, nasty, flu… No taste or smell… 101° to 103° fever for 8 to 11 days. My four youngest boys got over it pretty quickly… No issues… 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽 we took horse paste. Obviously not a good enough dose. 🤨
I have said the whole time whatever it's called it's like nothing I've ever had before. No taste or smell for weeks. Fatigue and fever for weeks. Developed a nasty sinus infection with days of 104 temp. Had to get antibiotics. I've never had an infection in my life. No Vax. I am just getting over the flu and it's the devil also. Others horror stories about this flu abound. Some people are sick for weeks. I'm assuming most are maxed but some people I know personally have not been jabbed but still are having a hard time recovering.
@Phil- besides heart damage, my husband has had a range of weird things. I've taken it upon my self to get ahold of an immunologist for him. He goes later this month. I wanna see what the bloodwork shows. Yes, he had the shots. I didn't.
https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/what-happens-after-a-vaccine-injury
Check out what Dr. Mihalcea has found to be effective against the shot's effects.
The problem is that "weirdly ill" in a time of "weirdness" could just be subjective in nature. I got sick in February of that year and remember idly thinking that it could be Covid. We were already talking about people who went to the hospital in their seventies and tested negative for the flu.
But, if you talk to people who are old, do they ever claim that getting ill always remains the same as you get older?
Throughout my life, I have gotten weirdly ill on a number of occasions. If I had been told at the time there was a "novel deadly virus" going around I would immediately go...this must be it then. But is it?
I do not discount the toxin theory though. I mean, they coerced everyone to take an experimental injection, so would they also induce it by releasing a toxin?
Narratives. Gotta love narratives.
The problem with these "something more than the flu going around" is how much of it were actual problems vs. perceived problems? Some people did get ill, but was it a toxin? Was it something they ate or drank?
I don't know. The problem is it wasn't universal, ubiquitous, and deadly, was it? It could also very well could have been some sort of malnutrition. And there were a lot of negative narratives going around at the time. Can the cumulative effect of negativity have physiological ramifications?
The Chinese exchange student..is a product of our Hollywood contagion theory of disease. The problem is diseases don't work like that. RNA cannot pandemic. It mutates far too quickly. The guys from the Cochrane review will also tell you that only a very small percentage of what we attribute to "cold and flu" respiratory-like illness comes from "known sources." So we all could very well constantly be inundated by "novel sources" of these symptoms.
I also point at human nature. How many child abduction stories does it take before we all start keeping our children on a tighter leash? Highway sniper stories and there is a perception that at each exit ramp there lies a lone shooter. How many pit bull attacks before the kennels are full of rescue "bulls"?
I posted a Facebook post five years ago yesterday that featured the character from "Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy..but as a coronavirus with the caption "Don't Panic and Take All The Toilet Paper." It was already far too late.
the Virus was created to serve the "vax " and vax mandates. yes. Depopulation was the goal.
@Liz- I've been saying that since the beginning. Think of all the Silent Generation and the older Boomers who could have been wiped out, saving SS billions.
And Medicaid and Pensions that they already spent
Centralized control was the real goal. Depop was a bonus feature they aimed for.
Agree 100% and pelosi and obeyme went to china, just before. To Wuhan’s, actually. Right to that lab. Do you think they were there for a friendly visit? They needed a way to keep trump out of office, and killing him would martyr him. So mail in ballots! Yay. Get china to take the blame. “ what can we offer china?” 85 billion in weapons, and poppy fields. “Ok we take blame”. For a virus that doesn’t exist, so they can test humanity, roll out a kill shot, steal an election. Three birds.
Read Clancy's Rainbow Six published in the late 90's
FWIW, this article from July 2020 is still the best I've found regarding the origin. 6 miners cleaning up bat guano in Mojiang in 2012 got sick, and 3 died. The virus was then brought to WIV - where the author does not think it was juiced up, but this was also early on, and I DO think it was. https://www.independentsciencenews.org/commentaries/a-proposed-origin-for-sars-cov-2-and-the-covid-19-pandemic/
Anyway, interesting reading, including the Master's Thesis that was translated. It's been too long now, but read other articles around that time comparing covid to RATG13.
That is the cover story. Go listen to Dr. David Martin for the real story.