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Bryan Dair's avatar

When was anyone granted immortality?

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Politico Phil's avatar

LOL... it's not magic. There wasn't any "granting". Read Genesis. When God created the "creation", it was perfect. How could it be anything other. Death and entropy didn't exist. Death came into the creation through sin and God's curse upon it. In the end, the creation will be restored to a perfect condition when death is finally conquered, the new heavens and new earth.

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Bryan Dair's avatar

I do not see any mention of immortality in Genesis.

And what kind of society would we have if humans had no knowledge of

good and evil? This fable is nonsensical.

'The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

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Politico Phil's avatar

Consider the meaning of this in conjunction with Genesis.

1 Cor 15

21 For since by man (Adam) came death, by Man (Christ) also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The LAST enemy that will be destroyed is death.

Paul is clearly saying that death was not part of the Creation as death only came about because of Adam. And thus the need for the Messiah to come and restore things proper.

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Bryan Dair's avatar

I would not agree that Paul is clearly saying anything in that passage.

And what does this christ have to do with the Adam and Eve fable?

Paul did not believe that Jesus had an earthly presence,

but rather that he was a supernatural spiritual being.

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Politico Phil's avatar

LOL... you crack me up!

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Bryan Dair's avatar

'When early writers like Paul speak of their “Christ Jesus”, they do so in exclusively mythological terms. He is the divine Son in heaven, speaking through scripture, connected to the believer in mystical ways. Christ Jesus is the very substance of Godhead, pre-existent and the image of the Father. Through him God effected creation, and his sustaining power holds the universe together. Christ is also the cosmic redeemer who descended from heaven to undergo a sacrificial death (an earthly time and place is never stated) and was subsequently exalted and enthroned by God’s side. Through this saving drama, Christ has subjugated the demon spirits of the air who harass humanity, he has brought the souls of the dead righteous out of Shoel, he has been given kingship over all supernatural and earthly powers, and he has reconciled an estranged universe to God. He has also been given divine titles formerly reserved for God.'

- Earl Doherty - 'The Jesus Puzzle'

https://www.jesuspuzzle.org/

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Politico Phil's avatar

Well now, that was fairly gnostic of you.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Adam was told not to eat of that fruit at that point in time. In later maturity, that would change. Adam had but to wait but instead rebelled. The Second Adam, the Messiah, fulfilled God's covenant and ascended to glory to sit on the throne as King at the right hand of the Father.

"I do not see any mention of immortality in Genesis." Read closer. What God made was "good" and there was no death in the world. That all changed with the Fall. The wages of sin is death.

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Andrea Leshok's avatar

Prayers that you open your heart to the truth. We want to see all souls saved❤️

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