I find it odd that Jesus did not teach His Disciples to pray that way and in fact He commanded them NOT to but you'd have to read your Bible and look for those commands instead of fearing your religion's damnation vs God's or rejection by friends and family. There's a verse about that too. You must be born again.
I find it odd that Jesus did not teach His Disciples to pray that way and in fact He commanded them NOT to but you'd have to read your Bible and look for those commands instead of fearing your religion's damnation vs God's or rejection by friends and family. There's a verse about that too. You must be born again.
The Church which is "the Body of Christ" and which decided (pre schism) what to include in the Bible suggest prayer ropes (Orthodox) and beads (Catholic). Simply reading the Bible is not sufficient. Recall the story of the Ethiopian eunuch in the Acts who, when asked if he understood what he was reading in the Bible (book of Isaiah), wondered “How can I, unless someone guides me?” That's where the Church comes in and explains thing to us. Sola Scripture is a very protestant way of thinking. Remember, Christianity is not a buffet where we are free to pick and chose what we believe.
Simply reading the Bible is not sufficient as also congregating with other believers who read the Bible. Follow those who actually follow the Bible and not one man. The Pope is a man made power usurped by disgruntled "Christian" Pharisees who got put down when the Apostles confronted their legalism and works based Salvation. Your lady is a figment of their power grab and coffer buffer. Check Catholic history for yourself. They act of their own accord. They sell salvation. Many men do in the name of Christ.
It is a tenet of Protestant Christianity that scripture *IS* sufficient to salvation, though not sufficient to understand every deep facet of theology. (And as a corollary, that scripture is capable of being sufficiently understood by an ordinary person to reach that 'necessary' level to be saved.)
However, thoughtful Protestants would agree that many things outside the Scripture, including the Church both as a whole and as a local congregation, are helpful in understanding the full depth of scripture, and in supporting believers in the practical application of daily faith.
Things like beads / prayer ropes fall more into that latter, practical category, though I'm inclined to think that the idea of making "stronger" prayers is difficult to align with the teachings of scripture. It seems to me that the stronger prayer is the prayer most in line with the will of God, and little to do with the manner in which it is prayed.
If one is not understanding the Bible, they are either unsaved or deceived by the devil's lies which are abundant in the professing churches. There is instruction (doctrine) from the Lord as to how to come unto the knowledge of the truth for a saved member of the body of Christ (1 Tim. 2:4, kjb) but the devil has the truth hidden:
2 Tim. 2:7 Consider what I (Apostle Paul) say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
2 Tim. 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
The Lord tells us who he sent to us in this dispensation of the grace of God with the gospel of our salvation and doctrine for the Church, the body of Christ by which we are to be edified; that is the Apostle Paul.
If a man is not following Paul as he followed Christ, then he is to be rejected as a teacher.
2 Tim. 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
How can we follow Christ in different ways? That just doesn't make sense. There is Only One Christ. There's only ONE WAY. He says so Himself. He also said you MUST be born again AND He never told the disciples to collect little rocks, pearls, markers and recite repeat many words over and over to Mary. NEVER EVER! In fact Jesus Christ Himself condemned it. Please step out of your fears and into the truth. We do not follow the same....The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. And they shall say to you, Lo, there! Lo, here! go not away, nor follow after them...Lk 17:22-23
Fyi if you trust in the Lady Mary Fatima whoever they are not Christ. They are leading you away.
Just because there is one single leader we should follow, doesn't mean that every follower needs to do so in the exact same way. Of course some things should be the same, like if you're walking in a different direction then you're not even "following" at all. But being too quick to call people out over differences can also be a problem.
I always try to remember that the Lord judges the intentions of the heart more than the outward appearance of someone's actions.
... and to you. Your comment inspired me to get over my writer's block to write a new post (for Easter). I'll add a link here when it's published (probably on Sunday). Okay if I cite you in it?
Because you didn't try to proseletyze? Because you don't want to hear what the Bible actual says? I thought as a Christian you'd be very interested. Perhaps we follow a different Christ.
lol. You say Jesus says don’t pray rote prayer but then he gave us the Our Father. Which as far as I know all Christian’s pray no matter their particular denomination. Hmmm. How can any kind of prayer be bad? Better reread Jesus’ words and make sure you are not inserting your own for his.
My understanding MAY BE WRONG but I believe Jesus said this is “HOW we should pray” as an example; not that we should pray this exact prayer, or pray it repeatedly in exact form. I think rote prayer is not an honest & personal relationship with God the Father. JMO of course.
Saying that, I love the “Our Father” prayer. Matthew 6:9. It’s my guide to prayer, first giving God the glory and acknowledging His will, not mine, be done. ✝️
You mean Jewish not Roman Catholic so His teachings dont apply to other religions that claim He is Savior/God/Creator? Or others that claim His Name but didn't believe what He claimed, and proved, about Himself?
Jesus spoke the words of the Creator which apply to the universe which he created - with words. God spoke Hebrew. Then the Tower of Babel. Return to the original Bible in Hebrew and that is what Jesus taught. I agree with you.
He was kidnapped and murdered by the Roman Ponius Pilate while he attended a Jewish passover dinner which this year is on April 22, the true anniversary of the murder of the Jew, Jesus.
I find it odd that Jesus did not teach His Disciples to pray that way and in fact He commanded them NOT to but you'd have to read your Bible and look for those commands instead of fearing your religion's damnation vs God's or rejection by friends and family. There's a verse about that too. You must be born again.
The Church which is "the Body of Christ" and which decided (pre schism) what to include in the Bible suggest prayer ropes (Orthodox) and beads (Catholic). Simply reading the Bible is not sufficient. Recall the story of the Ethiopian eunuch in the Acts who, when asked if he understood what he was reading in the Bible (book of Isaiah), wondered “How can I, unless someone guides me?” That's where the Church comes in and explains thing to us. Sola Scripture is a very protestant way of thinking. Remember, Christianity is not a buffet where we are free to pick and chose what we believe.
Simply reading the Bible is not sufficient as also congregating with other believers who read the Bible. Follow those who actually follow the Bible and not one man. The Pope is a man made power usurped by disgruntled "Christian" Pharisees who got put down when the Apostles confronted their legalism and works based Salvation. Your lady is a figment of their power grab and coffer buffer. Check Catholic history for yourself. They act of their own accord. They sell salvation. Many men do in the name of Christ.
The Holy Spirit is the souls guide to scripture
It is a tenet of Protestant Christianity that scripture *IS* sufficient to salvation, though not sufficient to understand every deep facet of theology. (And as a corollary, that scripture is capable of being sufficiently understood by an ordinary person to reach that 'necessary' level to be saved.)
However, thoughtful Protestants would agree that many things outside the Scripture, including the Church both as a whole and as a local congregation, are helpful in understanding the full depth of scripture, and in supporting believers in the practical application of daily faith.
Things like beads / prayer ropes fall more into that latter, practical category, though I'm inclined to think that the idea of making "stronger" prayers is difficult to align with the teachings of scripture. It seems to me that the stronger prayer is the prayer most in line with the will of God, and little to do with the manner in which it is prayed.
If one is not understanding the Bible, they are either unsaved or deceived by the devil's lies which are abundant in the professing churches. There is instruction (doctrine) from the Lord as to how to come unto the knowledge of the truth for a saved member of the body of Christ (1 Tim. 2:4, kjb) but the devil has the truth hidden:
2 Tim. 2:7 Consider what I (Apostle Paul) say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
2 Tim. 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
The Lord tells us who he sent to us in this dispensation of the grace of God with the gospel of our salvation and doctrine for the Church, the body of Christ by which we are to be edified; that is the Apostle Paul.
If a man is not following Paul as he followed Christ, then he is to be rejected as a teacher.
2 Tim. 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
https://graceambassadors.com/paul
PLEASE STOP THE PROSLETYZING!
Free speech here. I agree with her.
I don't agree with her but I agree with your comment.
You don't have to. We all follow Christ in different ways.
That is what is important.
How can we follow Christ in different ways? That just doesn't make sense. There is Only One Christ. There's only ONE WAY. He says so Himself. He also said you MUST be born again AND He never told the disciples to collect little rocks, pearls, markers and recite repeat many words over and over to Mary. NEVER EVER! In fact Jesus Christ Himself condemned it. Please step out of your fears and into the truth. We do not follow the same....The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. And they shall say to you, Lo, there! Lo, here! go not away, nor follow after them...Lk 17:22-23
Fyi if you trust in the Lady Mary Fatima whoever they are not Christ. They are leading you away.
Just because there is one single leader we should follow, doesn't mean that every follower needs to do so in the exact same way. Of course some things should be the same, like if you're walking in a different direction then you're not even "following" at all. But being too quick to call people out over differences can also be a problem.
I always try to remember that the Lord judges the intentions of the heart more than the outward appearance of someone's actions.
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... and to you. Your comment inspired me to get over my writer's block to write a new post (for Easter). I'll add a link here when it's published (probably on Sunday). Okay if I cite you in it?
Because you didn't try to proseletyze? Because you don't want to hear what the Bible actual says? I thought as a Christian you'd be very interested. Perhaps we follow a different Christ.
Did you know that Easter is pagan?
He died as the PASSOVER Lamb. He died on Passover.
He rose three days later, not 1-1 1/2 days later as the CC teaches.
lol. You say Jesus says don’t pray rote prayer but then he gave us the Our Father. Which as far as I know all Christian’s pray no matter their particular denomination. Hmmm. How can any kind of prayer be bad? Better reread Jesus’ words and make sure you are not inserting your own for his.
My understanding MAY BE WRONG but I believe Jesus said this is “HOW we should pray” as an example; not that we should pray this exact prayer, or pray it repeatedly in exact form. I think rote prayer is not an honest & personal relationship with God the Father. JMO of course.
Saying that, I love the “Our Father” prayer. Matthew 6:9. It’s my guide to prayer, first giving God the glory and acknowledging His will, not mine, be done. ✝️
RJ, that is because Jesus was Jewish.
You mean Jewish not Roman Catholic so His teachings dont apply to other religions that claim He is Savior/God/Creator? Or others that claim His Name but didn't believe what He claimed, and proved, about Himself?
Jesus spoke the words of the Creator which apply to the universe which he created - with words. God spoke Hebrew. Then the Tower of Babel. Return to the original Bible in Hebrew and that is what Jesus taught. I agree with you.
He was kidnapped and murdered by the Roman Ponius Pilate while he attended a Jewish passover dinner which this year is on April 22, the true anniversary of the murder of the Jew, Jesus.