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RU's avatar

Thank you for sharing this. It seems spot-on IMO, from my own observations and from conversations with people I know who worked with him in the past. He's always thinking big picture. We also have to remember where he did a lot of his business: NY and NJ. IOW, he is pretty used to dealing with government overreach, unions, and of course, the mafia. Nothing would describe the current state of the US's bureaucratic machine better than to say it's a combination of government overreach, union grift, and mafia bullying. He knows how to work these people.

I have to laugh when people call Trump dumb. His style of speech is not "educated white collar professional," which is why people call him dumb. Basically, they don't like the way he talks, so they call him dumb. I see this trait of his as a plus, because frankly, it is mealy-mouthed educated white collar double-speak that got us into this mess in the first place. "Interconnected global trade relations" sounds a whole lot better to voters than saying: "we're going to take your jobs away from you and give them to people in other countries who will work for less and can work for less b/c their government doesn't yet cause their wages to be inflated by 100% or more with safety regulations." We need more straight talk. The media lies. Illegals are criminals. Etc.

As far as OWS/the clot shots: 1) he was the PR person for a business initiative. If someone has pics of him in a lab developing and testing the shots, please share. 2) He was lied to just like the rest of us. 3) He did not mandate anything, and he fought both masks and lockdowns. 4) He did what he thought was the right thing for his country in speaking for a program that delivered something nearly everyone was begging for.

We may not like it or agree with #4 above, but that was the case. The vast majority of people were begging for a "vaccine." Yes, that was dumb. No, they were not needed. Yes, people were fooled. Including people I know who are WAY more conservative than me. Doesn't matter.

Trump did his best to combat the fear porn by refusing to wear a mask, saying the virus wasn't that dangerous, calling for reopening, etc. But he lost b/c the entire information ecosystem, including current allies like Fox, X/Twitter, etc. were all in on the vaccines and all the "public health" measures at the start. Every time he said something rational (and true) he was called a murderer, with a literal death toll being shown on every news channel every minute of every day. So, maybe he's due a little grace considering he was the only accessible public figure trying to inject some reason and sanity.

Excellent point also that he brags about his role as PR person, but doesn't say people should go get more shots. That's a point I had missed and it's very telling.

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Jeff C's avatar

Same here on people calling him dumb. Know-it-alls who have never accomplished anything in their lives, think a guy who won the presidency with no political experience, is worth $6B, lives in a mansion with gold-plated toilets, and is surrounded by beautiful women is dumb. Dumb but lucky I guess.

Everything else you said I completely agree with, you put it beautifully.

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Johnny-O's avatar

If you want to believe that Trump didn't know better because he believes the permanent state goons, well that's fine. You then have to reconcile the fact he got duped by the very people he claims he was going to take down. How do you think that is going to play out? And idiots like me knew not to trust the pandemic narrative and clot shot but the five dimensional chess player Trump couldn't figure it out? C’mon!

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RU's avatar

You should drop the TDS for a bit. As I've asked you before and you didn't answer: who's your better candidate? It's easy to throw rocks at everyone else, though, right?

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Johnny-O's avatar

Last time I checked, it's not a requirement for a citizen to vote and support the lesser evil candidate. The fact that so many here are ardent supporters of someone who was complicit with the greatest crime against humanity in the history of the world is mind boggling to me. You are the people who owe some explanations, not me.

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RU's avatar

There's nothing helpful about refusing to take a position and then throwing rocks at everyone who at least makes an attempt. The people who don't vote "cause" all of this mess just as much or more than the people who do.

The main point is - I don't agree with you that Trump was "complicit." By your standard, every politician and business leader in the world was more "complicit." Every medical professional who called for "vaccine" development, administered them, or suggested patients take them was more complicit. Every individual citizen who demanded a "vaccine" or encouraged someone they know to take one was more complicit. Which amounts to...the vast majority of humanity. So, roughly 5-6B people are more responsible for this than Trump.

Because Trump tried to stop the panic. No panic = no "vaccines." Trump was pretty much the ONLY public figure early-on trying to calm people down, which would have helped the world avoid the "vaccines" altogether if they had listened to him. The advisors he chose advocated against panic, against lockdowns, and against masks. Taking their advice would have meant the "vaccines" may never have been developed, or at the least would have resulted in less uptake. Of course, they were all de-platformed and fired...

As always, the deep state used narrative control to drive popular demand to get its way.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Excuses. You can't excuse the greatest crime against humanity. He was complicit because he had to have known they were dangerous. That makes him one of the worst criminals of all time. If he didn't know, he's an utter fool and deserves to be nowhere near the WH. Catherine Austin Fits said if she were president she would have to taken a bullet to the head over this issue, and so would I.

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RU's avatar

LOL. Like I said - and demonstrated - he was not complicit. Pretty much everyone else on the planet was, as much or more than him. And no, he did not "have to know" and having not known doesn't make one an "utter fool." Those are just self-aggrandizing and obviously false statements.

Continue to do TDS if you like, but please don't reply to my comments. I don't need the waste of my time in explaining my logic and getting logically poor, inflammatory responses.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Orwell is rolling... Goodbye

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RU's avatar

"Orwell"...more self-aggrandizement. Goodbye, take care. (BTW, nothing shows your real intentions better than spending Easter Sunday trying to undermine the (R) nominee by attacking comments from a 3-day old post. LOL!)

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Johnny-O's avatar

Self aggrandizing is only happening on your end of the conversation. I'm trying to raise awareness to people that they are supporting someone complicit with the depopulation campaign. I'm sorry saying the truth about your idol is difficult. I'm also sorry I was busy and don't always have time to respond to a random comment. You don't agree with me so you attack me and my intentions. Sorry, my intentions are pure, you just disagree with me.

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RU's avatar

I've said absolutely nothing self-aggrandizing and I didn't "attack" you. You are the one who replied to my "random comment." You are here on a conservative Substack attacking the only conservative candidate on the ticket, and almost every comment you make here does only that and nothing else. All I said is you seem to be here to undermine support for Trump, which seems to be confirmed by your last comment. So, we seem to be in agreement about that.

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Kathy's avatar

I think what some of us are concerned with, is not that he should have known better back then, but NOW we have evidence that the shots are dangerous and deadly, and that they must be stopped immediately. Otherwise new ones will keep coming at us and our brainwashed fellow citizens will still line up for them. That would include my whole family. I don’t blame him for the development of the shots at all. I just want him to protect us from them now. I would love it if he told his loyal followers to avoid the jab.

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RU's avatar

My take is that it's not really his job to do this. I think a big lesson - maybe the biggest lesson - of the Trump era is a reminder that we need to make our own decisions and not rely on government or "leaders" or "superheroes" for information or guidance. It was always true, it's just that many of us forgot. Trump helped remind us what liars they all are. All of them.

That said, I don't think that it would make a difference. I can tell you of the dozens of people I know across my extended family who are Trump supporters not one of them would or would not take the shot b/c of what Trump said. It hasn't affected their decisions to date. It's just not a consideration. They are adults making their own (sometimes poor) decisions.

And really, politically, let's be real...if he said 'they're poison, stop taking them,' what is that going to do for the entrenched PTB that own the media, the schools, the medical system? It's going to drive more lefties their way for shots. And they'll use it as ammo again to get their base excited. Like they did when he said masks don't work, and we ended up with mask mandates. Or when he said covid had an IFR below 1%, and they screeched it could be as high as 5%. Or, when he said reopen things, and they called him a murderer.

I think he's threading the needle just fine. Given what he's survived so far, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. He might just be better at politics than all of us here.

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CitizenA's avatar

RU, you make logical sense and do not employ emotions/feeling to make your point(s). TY.

I voted for Trump twice and voted for him in the primary this year. Yet as much as I was glad he was our president, and want him to become #47, I did NOT take the shot. That is/was MY personal decision and I do not follow blindly what anyone says, no matter who they are.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

You would love it if he lost the election or got ‘removed’. You do not know in what way he might act to achieve the greatest good. You don’t care.

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