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TriTorch's avatar

Regarding big pharma capturing the pro-patient charities, Charlie Munger - Buffet's right hand man - said it best: "Show me the incentive and I will show you the outcome."

Rockefeller took over medicine a century ago with the same strategy and immediately slit the throat of a thousand years of medicinal knowledge and wisdom.

Regarding the new media propaganda onslaught to get the poison injections:

Any consideration made about mandating forced medical procedures isn't a discussion.

It's a threat.

We will not submit to this fate. There are destinies worse than death, and the world they want to create - where the big pharma can wield their jackbooted government lackies to inject us with whatever they want whenever they want - is one of them.

If this is the hill I die on, so be it, I will never get these shots. My immunity to their predatory lies has never been more robust.

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TriTorch's avatar

Coffee & COVID's very own ConcernedGrammy is featured in a new article on 'Out Here on the Perimeter':

https://tritorch.substack.com/p/apathy-is-the-fire-in-which-we-burn

She has selflessly put herself on the front lines of the thankless political fight for a better future and she, and those of her stature, are the reason why we are not yet completely lost.

I never ask this, but please read, like, and share this one. It is important.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Let me point out the jab mandate is banned and Surgeon General Ladapo has opined that no one should get the shot yet the shot is still on the market in Florida and is still being pushed in children's arms by foolish parents. There now exists a mountain of indisputable evidence that the jabs are killing people yet the Governor, the AG and the SG have not criminalized the administration of the shot nor have they ordered the confiscation of all vaccine vials in FL for forensic analysis and prosecution. Why not??? Running second or third place for President will not protect the people nor is that doing your job as Governor.

The point is we have not taken the fight to the enemy. All we do is close the barn door after the horse is out, ie, we ban the jabs after the jab is a fait accompli. And by "we", I mean those in power we have elected. Governor DeSantis has not gone on the offensive to defend us. Why not???

Until we take the fight to the enemy, we will not defeat them and will always be fighting a retreat action. The enemy does not care if we are only fighting a battle we already lost while they open a new front we are unprepared for.

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SA's avatar

Florida needs to be the state to remove pharma’s liability protections. We need to states to take back their authority and throttle federal government overreach.

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

Yes, Florida could be that state -- and if "Rhonda" (as 47Yinzer calls DeSantis) had true discernment and an understanding of how this republic was (originally) supposed to operate (before Lincoln destroyed it), the last thing he'd have on his mind right now is running for capo di capi. He'd be here, leading the nation from here, leading the charge against the bio weapons developers, leading the charge against pharma liability immunity, expanding health freedom here, etc., etc. Instead?

By winning in a landslide and then leaving the state, Rhonda has shown his true colors, his lack of discernment, and unworthiness on multiple levels.

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Dawn B's avatar

You give Rhonda too much credit. He knows...

Yes, Lincoln, our promoted best president who really wasn't. Honest Abe was the name he got for being the OPPOSITE. I do not know much since there is so much historical lies, but I know we don't have the truth of history. I can't even watch history shows anymore and the animal ones are entertaining but they push the planet BS in those too.

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daverkb's avatar

What you say is true ... all of it. And I am uplifted and encouraged whenever I see this level of discernment. And so, thanks for your comment.

I've been watching Rhonda and I am thinking that Rhonda is paying to much attention to the false gods of donors and the party elite. Maybe Rhonda ought to read up on 'the house divided cannot stand.'

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Dawn B's avatar

Exactly.

No servant can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.”

Luke 16:13

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BelleTower's avatar

Ask yourself “am I hoping I win the lottery one day/hoping for the promotion and raise/hoping for the refinancing and lower mortgage or hoping in the Almighty God?” I recently realized I’ve been fearing and hoping in ... money ... oh no, I thought I was so pious but I had it wrong all along.

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Tom's avatar

False scales are an abomination to the Lord.

The use of inflation as a bludgeon to make the people debt slaves has an effect of making people too busy to be able to study the issues that impact them the most.

Beginning with faith.

Formerly, we also exported our inflation to less prosperous nations via the petrodollar system.

The fact that the petrodollar is being allowed to sunset in light of BRICS is telling. The globalists are committed to taking down the West, once and for all.

Equip yourselves to spread the Gospel. The actual one, not any watered-down version. This is job one. It's probably sadly necessary within your church.

Job two: Be ready to establish mutual support among believers in your community. Think Book of Acts.

This is how I see it, without further clarity. We're on a boat, and a storm is coming. However, Jesus is not asleep. He's on His throne, waiting to make His enemies His footstool.

We are to be of good cheer, and not let these things trouble us. But we are also not to give way to wickedness.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Biblically "spot on" , Tom!

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daverkb's avatar

Right! And so true!

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Willing Spirit's avatar

That he’s eager to see President Trump convicted, sickens me!

Ron DeSantis is not a good man, just a pretty good deceiver.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/desantis-defends-his-action-why-he-hesitated-raise/

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Willing Spirit's avatar

And that goes double for the azzwipe traitor, Mike Pence.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/mike-pence-says-he-remains-confident-that-trump/

His corner of hell is heating up by the minute.

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Dawn B's avatar

Yes, my thoughts as well... Desantis was "beat around the Bush" in his reply.

Pence is just about as wicked as HRC considering what his true religeous practices are... if you know what I am referring to and the person who spoke out about it is conveniently dead now and there was another accuser who also spoke about Pence and a supreme justice as well.

I can't confirm truth, but I can confirm suspicion. He is dead now, so one can only surmise.

Take it with a grain of salt or maybe a shot of whiskey... The actual whistleblowing video and others have been taken down but I SAW them a year or so ago.

"On July 13, 2016, Tory Smith uploaded his last video, “Will this be my last video.” He died a week later on July 20th, 2016."

"Whistleblower, Tory Smith, mysteriously dies 2 months after exposing Mike Pence" https://steverotter.com/deep-state-child-trafficking-and-mike-pence/

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Wow! And the evil just oozes from his pores.

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Dawn B's avatar

One too many people saying the same thing about Pence....

DHS WHISTLEBLOWER EXPOSES VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE AS A HOMOSEXUAL AND PEDOPHILE, AND MUCH MORE...

https://www.bitchute.com/video/YH2shPUCyUOm/

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Dawn B's avatar

BEWARE GRAPHIC!!! Found Tori's vid about child trafficking rape and murder here! Most have and are being deleted from the web. https://www.bitchute.com/video/VuK5x1IQTpfN/

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Dawn B's avatar

JAMES CLAPPER INTERROGATED TELLS ALL AND HE NAMES NAMES. PENCE,ROD IN ON THE CORRUPTION. https://www.bitchute.com/video/7lxPoUSnOJsB/

I found other vids but some won't play... for some reason... but they are still there.

This is the one where murdered Tori Smith calls Pence out.

https://roxytube.com/watch/mike-pence-is-a-deep-state-pedophile_Hk71u6tCtG3BGF1.html

and

https://roxytube.com/watch/whistleblower-mike-pence-has-murdered-51-children-his-wife-knows-everything-he-raped-177_l1k7QXxszYPSgjC.html

LIN WOOD LEAKS WHISTLEBLOWER TRANSCRIPT EXPOSING VP PENCE, EPSTEIN - JUSTICE ROBERTS

https://roxytube.com/watch/lin-wood-leaks-whistleblower-transcript-exposing-vp-pence-epstein-justice-roberts_1hTF9D1eGbywi9m.html

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My Favorite Things's avatar

He never said he was eager to see Trump convicted. As for the hand raising “I objected to doing the hand raise, and I thought most of the candidates seemed to agree with me. So I was like, ‘Okay, are we really doing this?’ And people are doing it? I made the pledge. I will follow through with the pledge.” He had rejected raising his hand earlier. It was insulting to request candidates raise their hand. They’re not school children.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

They are liars and cheats, everyone of them. No school child deserves being compared to them. But they deserve far more indignities than being asked to raise their hands.

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Politico Phil's avatar

They are only asking to commit and reveal their position to the people.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

DeSantis has shown himself to be disloyal, indecisive, weak, and beholden to the Deep State. Another massive RINO disappointment.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Agreed: Donors and party elite.

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Neil Kellen's avatar

The house needs to fall.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

BINGO (about your Gov. DeSantis)!! When did you all start calling him "Rhonda"--is it because of his high-pitched voice? He sounds effeminate when he gets "excited"--sorry, but that's the "take" I have on Ron/Rhonda!

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Garden Lover's avatar

Anyone who gets in as president has been bought and paid for anymore. This is the biggest issue with our country right now. Many of our representatives are the same.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Not Donald Trump. Hence the persecution/prosecution.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Florida Lawyer Challenges Trump’s Ability To Even Be On The Ballot Over J6

It remains to be seen how the courts will handle this controversial case. Still, its very filing underlines the extent to which the Deep State will go to cling to power.

https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2023/08/florida-lawyer-challenges-trumps-ability-to-even-be-on-the-ballot-over-j6/?utm_source=daily-email&utm_medium=email

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Willing Spirit's avatar

And RDS is hoping and praying that the man the people so clearly want will be removed, whatever it takes. And that his Globalist handlers will make good their promise that he will be the primary winner.

I seriously doubt they intend him to be President. But maybe.

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My Favorite Things's avatar

Lol. Trump is the best friend big pharma has. Without Trump, the vaxx would still be in the trial stage and all those unfortunates that died from it would still be alive. Trumps beloved Operation Warp Speed which accelerated development of coronavirus vaccines killed more people than the Vietnam War.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

You are quite naive.

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Concerned mom's avatar

Sarahanne25 Have you never heard that the "Operation Warp Speed" jab had a patent way back in 2014...if my memory serves me? Trump bragged about bringing it to market at the speed of light, but in truth, the Deep State had it PLANNED many years before that!!! They PLAYED him (Trump)!!!

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Garden Lover's avatar

Yes, although he did rollover on the vaccine committee.

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CStone's avatar

He trusted the ‘holier than thou’ Pence.

He place Pence in charge of the Covid response.

No, he should not have trusted him, but with all the demonic shite being thrown at him, he hAd to trust sOmebody. But Pence sold the nation AND President Trump out way before January 6.

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alexei's avatar

"...he hAd to trust sOmebody."

Isn't that a rather weak excuse to explain away the terrible choice he made to entrust the nation's health to someone who showed quite early on his total inability to look after the nation's health. When the signs of failure became overwhelmingly obvious, this responsibility could have been transferred to someone else - a move that had become a trend with Trump.

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NanaW's avatar

Same can be said of not booting the little weasel Fauci to the curb quickly.

And unfortunately his daughter and her husband play for team deep state. They heavily influenced him in a lot of ways.

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Garden Lover's avatar

Yeah, I was never a fan of Pence. I wonder how Pence’s bank account fairs now . . .

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Neil Kellen's avatar

He did not verify Pence's ability to lead the Covid response, and Pence did a stupendously terrible job of it. I'd LOVE to see Ramaswamy call him out about his "experience" the next time Pence derides his lack of experience. Hey Mike, Mr. Experience, you ran the COVID task force, right? How'd that turn out?

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Willing Spirit's avatar

In the face of worldwide panic and lies never before seen in the History of Mankind! How much better would any human being have done?

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Garden Lover's avatar

He took office in 2017, long before this worldwide panic. Imagine if there had been an independent vaccine committee how that could have changed what went down in 2020.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

But not before the Globalist worldwide had launched relentless attacks on his Presidency.

Imagine what could have happened had they not tied both hands behind his back and blindfolded him.

25 Top accomplishments of President Donald J. Trump......

1. Executive order enacted Jan. 1, 2021 requiring hospitals to provide medical prices to patients upfront so they can shop around.

2. Reversing the ascent of the Islamic extremist terrorist group ISIS.\n\n

3. “Most Favored Nation” executive order so that the U.S. (through Medicare) would pay no more for a drug than what’s offered to foreign countries, saving the U.S. an estimated “$85 billion in savings over seven years and $30 billion in out-of-pocket costs.”\n\n

4. Moving the U.S. embassy in Israel to the capital of Jerusalem.\n\n

5. Building more than 450 miles of new and replacement border wall.\n\n

6. Leading U.S. to a level of energy independence (exporting more oil than importing for the first time in 70 years), allowing international policy decisions to be made with less regard to how an oil nation we once relied on would respond.\n\n

7. No new wars.

8. Drastic reduction in regulations, opening the door for entrepreneurs and businesses to succeed, expand, and hire more people. According to the Trump administration, they promised to eliminate two regulations for every new one, but actually wound up eliminating 8 old regulations for every 1 new regulation adopted, equating into an extra $3,100 a year for the average American household.\n\n

9. Expanding Republican reach among African Americans and other constituents who traditionally lean Democrat. \n\n

10. Cutting taxes in an initiative that benefitted every tax bracket.\n\n

11. Doubled the child tax credit.\n\n

12. Operation Warp Speed: accelerated development of coronavirus vaccines.\n\n

13. Eliminated the Obamacare penalty.\n\n

14. A series of trade agreements and changes seen as beneficial to Americans, including replacing NAFTA with USMCA. \n\n

15. Instead of 2-for-1, we eliminated 8 old regulations for every 1 new regulation adopted.\n\n

16. Provided the average American household an extra $3,100 every year.\n\n

17. Started the Space Force.\n\n

19. 19. Instituted “Right to Try,” allowing terminally ill patients to use potentially lifesaving, unproven treatments.\n\n

20. Prioritized and made permanent funding for historically black colleges.\n\n

21. Brokered peace deals or normalization agreements between Israel and five Muslim and Arab-Muslim countries.\n\n

22. Banned the teaching of “Critical Race Theory” in the federal government.\n\n

23. Withdrew from Iran nuclear deal.\n\n

24. Withdrew from the Paris Climate Accord.\n\n

25. Instituted a Buy American policy within federal agencies.\n\n

26. Achieved a $400 billion increase in contributions by NATO allies by 2024 with the number of members meeting their minimum obligations doubling.

I will NEVER vote for Little Ronny DeSantis!

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patrick.net/memes's avatar

I'll vote for Trump just because they are so obviously persecuting him now, but he is guilty of pushing the toxxine, which was never effective and always dangerous.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

He satisfied a demand the people were making and hoped to quell fears and save the economy. It was a time of utter betrayal and insanity worldwide. No one could see through the haze of hysteria and thick, deep fog of lying, meaningless and incomprehensible gibberish being batted about hourly by the Leftist controlled media.

No one knew how this was going to play out or what the real risks were.

President Trump did not and never would have supported a toxxine mandate.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I get that, WS and agree with you on those points. But my question is, why has he continued to push and defend the jabs even after all that was over? Maybe there is a good reason. I just don’t know what it might be 😕

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devoalan's avatar

Except he doesn't stand a chance. Not now.

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

Well, right. This speaks to his lack of discernment. Someone with any real political sense and his place in the unfolding drama would have known that now was not his time. DeSantis proved many things by doing what he did, including the size of his ego and his disloyalty, IMO, to Florida and to those who voted for him in '22.

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daverkb's avatar

We need real leaders and not reeds which bend in the wind.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

He was a good deceiver. I had so many friends yelling at me that he was on the same side as Trump and would never run against him.

Of course that whole ‘deception’ operation was being run by the Uniparty professionals, so I wouldn’t give Ron that much credit.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Unfortunately for them, their plans in regards to Ron stealing away Trump supporters hasn’t gone too well.

And they utterly failed to see how unlikeable he truly is.

Lack of character will do that to a person.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

I agree with you. He should have completed his job. sad

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annademo's avatar

Legally, I don't think there is anything Gov. DeSantis can do (the jab approval is a function of the federal government). But maybe individuals can look into suing the jab makers for adulterated product or misbranding (safe and effective - not according to the data) or fraud (lying about the aforementioned safety and effectiveness). IANAL so I ask, can they?

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

That's right. Drug, vaccine, and now bio weapon approval (Sorry, I'm being fresh.) does happen at the federal level. What Governor DeSantis -- and the FL Legislature -- can do is work to retain the sovereignty of the people of FL against federal overreach, including the federally-mandated used of drugs -- or bio weapons.

DeSantis did, in fact, request a grand jury look into the very subject you cited. If we ever hear anything from it, it's possible they will seek indictments of the very kind you bring up. The burden on the individual to prove 𝒏𝒐𝒕 Safe&Effective™ is enormous. Besides, I think that most people had to sign a consent form, yes, before getting injected with this junk?

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annademo's avatar

Yes, you had to consent to get the jab but the information they give you is so minimal that it's not really consent, IMO.

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

Exactly. How can virtually no information that includes the failure to inform to the point of true understanding that the injectee takes on all the risk of injury or death thanks to complete manufacturer liability immunity?

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My Favorite Things's avatar

Lol. Don’t forget that Trump is the one that made the idiotic and asinine decision to release and promote an experimental vaccine on the world with utter disregard for the possible consequences just so he could bask in the glory of being the father of Operation Warp Speed. Trump is responsible for the deaths and permanent injuries from the vaxx which should be still in the trial phase.

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Tori's avatar

No, he isn't. Fauci, Birx, Pence---who was overseeing the response---all lied to Trump, by Birx's own admission. One- issue voters are as dangerous as any virus.

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

I agree that Trump acted ridiculously and irresponsibly over what was obviously a fraud, including the junk in the needles and its "marketing campaign," "Operation Warp Speed." How painfully stupid was that?

That said, it is the people who rolled up their sleeves to have a concoction injected into their arms -- well before the moronic scumbag Biden "mandated" it -- who are responsible for the ensuing outcomes. Not Trump. How does someone allow this to be done to themselves when they have no freakin' idea what is in that syringe? How does a person excitedly line up for injectable crap lacking long-term safety data? When this was obvious -- by definition! Trump has absolutely no responsibility for that 𝒂𝒕 𝒂𝒍𝒍.

My take is that none of this should have happened from the very beginning. And none of it would have happened with an informed and courageous people. And 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 has nothing to do with Trump...

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RunningLogic's avatar

Well said! Everyone needs to take responsibility for their choices instead of handing off decisions to “experts.” Some people clearly don’t even want that responsibility 😕 Then they can always blame someone else 😕 (not saying this is true of everyone who chose to follow the experts but for some it certainly is!).

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Wolfhound77's avatar

The DeathVax shouldn't be in any phase. It should be permanently outlawed.

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RunningLogic's avatar

🎯🎯🎯

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Willing Spirit's avatar

That landslide was against one of the most well known and unpopular politicians in the state of Florida! I’ll say it again, a dead man could have beat Charlie Crist! Some f***ing landslide!

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

I hear you, WS, but in strictly political terms, it was a "landslide" and DeSantis tossed it away.

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Bryan Dair's avatar

I agree that DeSantis would be more effect playing his role as governor, and not chasing after the presidency.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

We have an AG in the state of MO. who is on fire! I’m going to send him an email suggesting he looks into what we need to do to remove pharma’s liability protections! His name is AG Andrew Bailey and he’s making a difference!

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Thank you for sharing. I may write him.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Rick Brattin, our state senator is also doing a great job!

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Phillip Zinni III DO FAOASM's avatar

When pharma profits are pilfered or penaluzed, pharma will pull back.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Exactly. Everything else is just theater.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

The candidacy of DeSantis is the stand-in for pandemic freedom for the narrative writers. As the most vocal pro-freedom, anti-mandate politician in the nation - including Trump, sadly - to have him offered up to GOP voters and then lose it allows the narrative writers to claim his pro-freedom, anti-mandate approach to the pandemic was unpopular and rejected by even GOP voters in the primary, a "loser strategy." Just like they claim Dobbs overturning Roe v. Wade has been unpopular and a loser strategy for R's.

It's narrative. It's always narrative to these people. DeSantis is the sacrificial lamb offered up by the GOPe Rino's to justify the DeWine, Hogan R approach to pandemic governance. Authoritarianism-lite. They'll ignore the fact that no R candidate is displacing Trump atop the ballot no matter what their positions are. The only way he doesn't win is if he's kept off with lawfare. But, narrative. Has to be "GOP voters reject selfish, stupid freedom, DeathSantis."

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Freebird's avatar

Exactly Phil! And here in Texas where AG Paxton, who has filed numerous law suits against potato-in-chief, is being impeached! Probably the most courageous AG in the country and they have a massive witch hunt out for him. Meanwhile crickets coming from Abbott, Perry et al.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Why not? Because your governor desires more than anything else to join the rich men north of Richmond. He's gotten the FL state legislature to assist him, by blocking access to governor's office visitor logs, and by overriding a regulation that prohibited a sitting governor from running for office outside the state. Rhonda's motives are pretty darn obvious, friend.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Right. You have to ask the right question to get a real answer. So I keep asking the question. Ron's performance in the debate said it all. He did nothing in the debate that was proactive and energized. He was a milk-toast as the rest of them. That says it all for me. He could have used the platform to come out swinging and controversial and attacked that which needs attacking. Instead, he took the line in the RINO playbook.

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Dawn B's avatar

The debate was disappointing. Ron has to watch himself because politics is a dangerous game, and if you do not play by the unwritten rules, you lose. If a candidate is worthy, they get blackmailed anyway, so how can anyone honorable win? I do not think it is possible without divine intervention.

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Politico Phil's avatar

He had a platform to vigorously connect with the real Americans and he didn't try. The way he is acting, I don't expect him to throw his weight behind Trump when Trump wins the nomination. This is his time to make a difference. He better take it regardless of his own political fortunes. This is what the Founding Fathers had to do and did it.

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Dawn B's avatar

Right! Ron could have connected with us, instead lost our faith in him.

As far as supporting other candidates, he will just change his tune as the wind blows. People have short memories and attention spans thanks to public ed.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

He is incapable of making a true difference.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

I couldn’t agree more Phil. When he looked around to see who was supporting Trump then raised his hand he lost my vote. Now I’m not sure if I’ll write Trunps name in or who. Wait for the nomination.

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S.P.H.'s avatar

"I do not think it is possible without divine intervention".

Like you I have great disappointment with current political' leaders'.

My suspicion, Dawn B, is that God is very disappointed in the whole political scheme. He never wanted His people to have a king, as He was their God and King. When Samuel was old the people demanded of him to appoint them a king the same as the other nations had. God allowed it, with the warnings of what a king would to to them.

It's fascinating reading, I recommend everyone read 1 Samuel 8, or start at 1 Samuel 1 to get the back story. It won't disappoint. As a side note, read from an current Bible (I prefer New King Jimmy), before AI re-writes everything, the old jot a tittle thing...

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Dawn B's avatar

Divine intervention... I just commented exactly that somewhere today!

I actually want to deep dive into the book of Daniel. Considering the current climate of the world it probably makes more sense now than it did centuries ago.

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S.P.H.'s avatar

You are so right Dawn B, Revelation is much more understandable when the book of Daniel is read also. In chapter 12 v 4 the angel of the Lord says “But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.” As I understand, what Daniel was given to write was not for that time or for him to understand. It very well may be for us, in this time.

Great commentary on eschatology can be found from Don Stewart at: https://educatingourworld.com/

Enjoy your syudy!

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Our church is doing Series on 1 Samuel and he just preached on 8 this week!!!

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NanaW's avatar

I’m firmly in this camp myself. I don’t think the world is going to end. There will be bad times ahead. Not sure for how long. But The Lord God Almighty is going to remind His people and the entire world, yet again, that He is in control.

Why are the nations in an uproar

And the peoples devising a vain thing?

The kings of the earth take their stand

And the rulers take counsel together

Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying,

“Let us tear their fetters apart

And cast away their cords from us!”

He who sits in the heavens laughs,

The Lord scoffs at them.

Then He will speak to them in His anger

And terrify them in His fury, saying,

“But as for Me, I have installed My King

Upon Zion, My holy mountain.”

“I will surely tell of the decree of the Lord:

He said to Me, ‘You are My Son,

Today I have begotten You.

‘Ask of Me, and I will surely give the nations as Your inheritance,

And the very ends of the earth as Your possession.

‘You shall break them with a rod of iron,

You shall shatter them like earthenware.’”

Now therefore, O kings, show discernment;

Take warning, O judges of the earth.

Worship the Lord with reverence

And rejoice with trembling.

Do homage to the Son, that He not become angry, and you perish in the way,

For His wrath may soon be kindled.

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CStone's avatar

The Aleph and the Tav.....beginning and end..

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Roger Beal's avatar

True, and sad for America's remaining white hats.

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RU's avatar

Been saying it for a while: DeSantis is the Establishment's candidate. He's a Bushie. The Bush people are running the show. He is funded almost exclusively by the billionaires that own the GOP. Everything he does is designed for maximum PR impact and minimum risk to him. The Disney dustup for example. Disney is still in business, still woke, and by reports, even worse, with bearded men dressed as women now running amusements in the park. Or the covid tyranny, where he was for it, until the all clear was issued, and then he was against it. Or with the Ukraine war, where he refuses to condemn it. Except that one time he accidentally said something too critical, then immediately backtracked and flew to Israel to sign FL legislation. (Israel is the 'tell' here; the center of the neocon universe.) Or most recently, on the debate stage, where he waited for everyone else to say whether they'd support Trump before committing to it himself. As with everything connected to the Bush family, he's a psy-op.

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Every observation you made is accurate. We are at an inflection point where anyone or anything dependent on the Republican party is only controlled opposition - at best. It's a Uniparty of Dem Communists/RINOs/NeoCons. Even as a supporter of DeSantis, I have been saying that no one stands a chance who is not financially independent of donors and party elites. Trump is the only candidate that is financially independent of the deep state. The last candidate that was independent of the system was John F Kennedy and the CIA killed him for it. This is why they fear Trump so much. Trump has more support from America now than he ever has! The frustration and anger of the American people has found a focus point in Trump. All of our feelings of helplessness and the growing white anger of all that is being done to us has not been able to coalesce because, other than a slimy Fauchi and a senile pedo President, there has been no outlet for this growing discontent. Trump is the threat to the deep state and with the indictments and the "Mug Shot", America's anger has found a point to focus their rage through. Trump is independent of the Uniparty and has demonstrated that he has the will to lead the fight. As a FL supporter of DeSantis, if he does not vigorously throw his FULL support behind Trump, then I am done with him. Furthermore, if Trump gets into office and does not follow through (which is conceivable) then our fight will have to abandon the national scene and carry the fight against the Fed Bolsheviks from the State level. That will mean a kinetic division of the States, Liberty from Communist.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Does this sound like he will ever “ vigorously throw his FULL support behind Trump”? I think you can safely be done with him.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/desantis-defends-his-action-why-he-hesitated-raise/

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Florida Lawyer Challenges Trump’s Ability To Even Be On The Ballot Over J6

It remains to be seen how the courts will handle this controversial case. Still, its very filing underlines the extent to which the Deep State will go to cling to power.

https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2023/08/florida-lawyer-challenges-trumps-ability-to-even-be-on-the-ballot-over-j6/?utm_source=daily-email&utm_medium=email

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CH's avatar

The DS will do whatever it takes because it is game over for them if Trump wins in 2024.

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CStone's avatar

And DeSantis is reminding me of Jeb Bush’s lackadaisical performance. He thought he could win on name recognition alone. He was wrong.

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RU's avatar

IMO, the main issue the GOP has is that their interests as wealthy elites are at direct odds with the interests of their voting base. They keep campaigning like it's 2000/2004 and that their voter base hasn't changed and hasn't figured out what the GOP is actually all about. But, the base has changed and it has figured it out.

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CH's avatar

I said the same thing in a comment here recently about DeSantis and the Bushs.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Yes!!! THIS!!! Thank you! You nailed it and you win the internet today!! 💪🏻

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Jen's avatar

I was just thinking about that this morning, the reason we're on the defensive yet again is because we never went on the offensive. We have to get this movement going now and put them on the defensive. That's the only way we're going to get our lives back.

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Emumundo's avatar

DeSantis did a lot of great things as governor. During Covid I was really happy that I lived in FL, I don’t think I would have survived anyplace else. Somehow he hooked up with Karl Rove and the Bush crime syndicate , had a drop by from Blackrock and BOOM! He’s running for president, really ineffectively I might add. Jeez, he looks like Howdy Doody out there. Come home,Ron. Come back to the people you brung to the dance, cut ties from the fancy whores you’ve aligned with and rethink this thing.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

DeSantis was awful in the early days of Covid. I would cross over into Georgia to visit family and marvel at how their restaurants and schools were still open.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Then the Uniparty planners made their choice and gave Ron a new path designed to give him National attention.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

We Floridians benefited from that to the degree that we did. Not sure it was as rosy, cozy as the media has pictured it though. I suffered plenty of Covid persecution.

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CH's avatar

DeSantis was always the establishment candidate and had everyone fooled.

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CStone's avatar

Almost makes you wonder, is he losing on purpose? It’s almost as though he doesn’t want the job..........

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NanaW's avatar

I’m not a fan of Ron as far as his run for president goes. And while he did do some great things for FL, he didn’t go as far as he could there. He’s head and shoulders above our own milktoast leadership here in SC though.

But to be fair, who knows what kind of threats against him or his family may have been lobbed his way. If they can’t buy you off or compromise you and thus own you, TPTB are definitely not above threatening your loved ones. It may be they get a lot of people to bend the knee that way. Act like the life of those you love depends on it, because it does.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

This will never happen

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Joan Matthews's avatar

Pediatricians should be asked to provide evidence that benefits from jabs outweigh the risks. And are groups who run the universities and colleges also providing evidence that jabs are better than natural immunity?

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Garden Lover's avatar

My child had seizures when young, so I didn’t vaccinate them. Despite the fact that numerous vaccine inserts state that a history of seizures from either the person or the family are contra indicative to taking those vaccines, their neurologist, who was the head of pediatric neurology there, was appalled that we had refused them. When I told him why, his response was: Well, all medical interventions have risk. Yeah, but, if an “intervention” is telling you not to do it if you have this particular health issue, it’s probably a good bet you _shouldn’t_ do it.

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Garden Lover's avatar

This alone should tell you how captured doctors are when it comes to vaccines.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes but if there is a risk, we should always be able to weigh the risks and benefits ourselves and decide which ones WE are comfortable with. It’s not the doctor's body and the doctors should advise to the best of their ability but always leave that choice up to the patient with no negative repercussions. Unfortunately that is not how many doctors operate (no pun intended 😛) 😕

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Garden Lover's avatar

I agree. Frequently, doctors assume they know best, when they don’t. Everyone’s genetic makeup is different, even siblings. What works for one person is not necessarily going to work for another person. And, ultimately, it should be the person (or the parent) who makes that final decision.

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Tom's avatar

It seems the only evidence we can ever expect in the future will be the "word" of someone in a white lab coat. The medical establishment has fully embraced the fallacy of the Appeal to Authority.

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RunningLogic's avatar

It’s disgusting 😡

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Curious Jane's avatar

We would have thought that is what is meant by "informed consent." Alas.

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Fred's avatar

Good point. There is no benefit to our healthy youngsters.

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daverkb's avatar

Exactly. And the litmus test is the effectiveness by which the enemy is directly taken on, engaged. And in one word ... prosecutions.

Yes, I have to see criminal prosecutions. Otherwise, we are doing theater ... and not uphold God's Law Order prohibiting unlawful killing, stealing, the bearing of false witness and failure to glorify God (first four Commandments.)

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Politico Phil's avatar

And that IS the bottom line!

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Dawn B's avatar

SG Ladapo is warning people, but why isn't it banned? Maybe for safety because the vaxters would go crazy. Too many people are brainwashed and need deprogramming.

IDK, but just like taking legal or illegal drugs... it is a choice and the consequences are known so the culling continues. We get sicker and they "help" and get richer the pharmakeia way. Doctors do not question it either!

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Garden Lover's avatar

They have been planting the seeds of vaccine safety for decades, over a century. These have been lies.

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Dawn B's avatar

Yes yes! and now it is accepted as basic health care.

My niece was talking about how her son went to the doctor to get his scheduled vaxxes. I said to never get them again and they are poison but I can't convince otherwise in a short conversation.

You have to be open to questioning and look for the truth. Nobody believes that they are really harmful AND are willing to risk that their kid is not the "small" % that get harmed. I used to politely debate the pediatrician about it and he firmly believed vaxxes were good.

Because my youngest never got shot, she is never sick.... No fevers and I can't remember if she ever had a cold.

I got them exempt for religious reasons from the health dept and went to a chiropractor for sports forms.

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Garden Lover's avatar

Mine occasionally gets sick, but rarely while we watch our neighbors’ kids frequently sick.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

Tell them to read the 1st chapter of Turtles All The Way Down. That book is excellent!

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Dawn B's avatar

Is the turtle book about vaxxes? I am going to look it up.

I know enough and that it started with Rockefeller and petroleum meds and educating doctors by funding the universities etc. Pharmakeia... I am not sure it would be anything new to me.

Is it about something else?

Do you know why it is called turtles all the way down? Reminds me of the book Yertle the Turtle Dr Seuss wrote and how Yertle stepped on all the turtles to be king... Until they fell...in a nut shell but there are many political metaphores in this children's book.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

Yes it is ALL ABOUT VAXES!! Everything you need to know! Written for that purpose! You will be stunned at what they've done to us!!

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Dawn B's avatar

Is it worse than putting baby parts and cancer in them to cannibalize us and make us sicker?

How much worse can it be?

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

It's been going on all along.... Lies. Lies. Lies.

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Dawn B's avatar

Evil is way worse than we can imagine...

Glad I got the book and a deal for $4! I may just buy more copies.

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Dawn B's avatar

Just bought the turtle hardcover book on ebay for $4!

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Peace's avatar

Dawn B - Be sure you get the correct book - there are two books with the same title - this is the one you want (NOT the one by author John Green) I just searched the title (in Swiss Cows and Google searches) and the only one of the two books that showed was the John Green book, not the one you want. Here is what you want: https://www.biblio.com/book/turtles-all-way-down-edited-zoey/d/1561840697?aid=frg&gclid=Cj0KCQjwi7GnBhDXARIsAFLvH4mKkpaoAkQ3Jv4XnTCCObjxsL1JpI7yTiR-JY5azpUB2K5X2urm7vEaAugVEALw_wcB

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Dawn B's avatar

That was helpful. Thanks

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Dawn B's avatar

I will share the book with them... Thanks

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Angus McPherson's avatar

I hate to say it, but I want medical freedom. The minute that the state of Florida starts picking winners and losers for medical treatments, we are playing on the authortarian grounds. I believe the shots are a form of fraud. EVERYING in medicine is a risk reward equation. I think we should be free to choose. The way to regulate this is to remove the liability protections. I don't favor regulating the medical industry. I don't want the government and its agencies who are all captured in one way or another in charge of me and my family's health.

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Politico Phil's avatar

I agree with you about regulation. But when a product is blatantly killing people there needs to be legal prosecution for these CRIMES. And that is not what is happening.

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Angus McPherson's avatar

Under our laws, I'm not sure that iatrogenic deaths or injury would qualify as a crime. Manslaughter? I don't know specifics of criminal law for this sort of thing. Not everyone who was vaxxed is injured or dead, and I think intent will matter.

But they certainly qualify as "wrongful deaths" in a civil case. Pfraudster and Mrnaderna are currently protected from this sort of suit. If that liability protection is removed, both companies will IMMEDIATELY stop selling the shots, there is no doubt in my mind. Let's let the free market do its thing. I don't' want Ron D and the FL legislature to open the door to some other authoritarian to stand on what they did.

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Politico Phil's avatar

There doesn't appear to be any danger of that happening. As for intent, well there is a mountain of evidence to be developed for that in the right forum. But again, it won't happen under this regime or any future Uniparty regime.

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Neil Kellen's avatar

We must go on offense. All a state of county DA needs is some flimsy claim and minimal nexus to convene a grand jury and return an indictment. Lawfare is the next political battleground whether conservatives like it or not. Enjoin the battle or be prepared to be, yes, eliminated.

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Matt's avatar

The biggest mistake he ever made was to run for president this cycle. It's disrupting and disarming him. He's way less effective, and our alliance is weakened.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Because your Governor is busy lining his pockets so he can "pose" to be a candidate for POTUS!

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Based Florida Man's avatar

I love him as Gov!

As spoiler for Team MAGA, not so much.

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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

I'm going to work on an article on how we can LEGALLY NON-COMPLY. I was able to do this with the mandates when corporations started enforcing them and I think we should educate ourselves on how we can use the LAW and the RIGHTS we have to LEGALLY SAY NO:

https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/

We've seen how some teaches have used it to not call kids whatever pronouns the child wants to be called (https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/elmo-and-a-rock)

PS: Jeff feel free to correct my work once I complete it :)

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Annie's avatar

Good. Another way is to just say no. If my company tries it I will first email the mask study to them. If that doesn't work they get my 2 week notice. And I will remain mask free those 2 weeks. That will leave the vaxxed with their constant illnesses, dei hires, and the compliants who will be miserable. Good luck with that. 👍

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Alice P. Liddell's avatar

Let them fire you. Do not quit.

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Datagal's avatar

Yes, have them fire you. And get everything in writing, not verbally. You may need evidence for a lawsuit against them.

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Annie's avatar

Good point. Maybe I will just fuss and carry-on which I am quite capable of. Make everyone's life miserable and stir up trouble. Lol. 😉

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Alice P. Liddell's avatar

That may also plant seeds for those that are on the fence about the covid nonsense or for those that are waking up to it. If you quit, you wouldn't be able to sue them in the future.

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Annie's avatar

Yes. And I can payback the company for all their covid transgressions nonsense. I like to say "Don't get mad. Get even."

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Peter GL's avatar

At least you may be able to collect unemployment… unless the state “mandates”🤷

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Cafe Comments by Lauri Harris's avatar

Courage to say no helps those around you to find their own courage.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

This is so true

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Annie's avatar

Agree

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NanaW's avatar

So true! We see so many examples of sheeple behavior which spreads like a contagion, that it’s easy to forget the pendulum swings the other way too.

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Curious Jane's avatar

Just remember to read what Jeff has already written about documenting your objection, etc. It's pretty easily found in the archives! <3

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CStone's avatar

Problem: not everyone can afford to do that.

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Annie's avatar

I know. Fortunately I can so I plan to step up and let them have it. For myself and on the behalf of others. I already gave HR my opinion on how their entire covid coercion BS ruined moral and lowered productivity big time. Also that they were acting like a physician and pushing medical advice. Just to name some topics. They were shocked to say the least.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I wish we could get these people on the acting like a physician thing. Why are businesses allowed to decide that their customers need to wear a medical device?? Why can judges decide that for their courtrooms? I mean no one should be able to make medical decisions for others but why are non physicians allowed to give medical advice?

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CStone's avatar

HR is one of the biggest problems everywhere.

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NanaW's avatar

Almost entirely run by a cadre of Karens.

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NanaW's avatar

Hahahahaha! That was epic! Thank you so much for sharing. I needed a good laugh.

This is partly why I don’t delete my Twitter. I love it when the zingers fly.

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RunningLogic's avatar

You’re welcome! I don’t actually have Twitter but subscribe to Twitchy (they select certain political tweets/threads to highlight, the site/idea was originally created by Michelle Malkin). I’m glad you enjoyed it, they have some really excellent threads on occasion.

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NanaW's avatar

Twitchy is great. They rank up there with The Babylon Bee for savage humour.

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BelleTower's avatar

You go Annie!

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Sharon's avatar

Where is the link to the study? I looked on NIH website. Nothing obvious, from searching “chemicals in N95 mask”. I would have to read 143 studies. I simply do not have the time to do that.

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Betsy's avatar

If mandates are not laws, which is what I have read, it is the attempt to enforce them AS laws which is illegal. Compliance and noncompliance are equally legal choices since a mandate requires agreement.

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Peter GL's avatar

besides, the AG selectively enforce only those laws they agree to, why must we be required for follow ll their laws?

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Betsy's avatar

Certainly there are laws we should not follow, the ones that are unjust and immoral. It's a choice to put yourself on the line, as is what has been happening even with those who don't comply with mandates, even though they do not have legal force. As you say, authorities enforce the laws, mandates, policies, etc., which fit with their agenda, and let the others go.

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CH's avatar

You are correct and that is why everything they did to lock us down and forcefully mask us and vaccinate us is unconstitutional. All of those agencies are run by unelected bureaucrats. Only Congress has the authority to make laws.

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Betsy's avatar

Likewise on the city level. In Minneapolis, the mayor made a mask mandate for businesses and attempted a vaccine mandate for restaurants. Masks were pretty much universally enforced by businesses (also illegal), the vaccine mandate was mostly ignored. But only the city council can pass ordinances, and the city council didn't. We all need to understand better what government power is, and what it isn't.

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Annie's avatar

They relied on compliance and they got it bigly.

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Johnny Be Real's avatar

Businesses enforced the policies so law enforcement didn’t need to. I was denied entry into an establishment because I did not produce a vax card. Made a big scene and would not let me in even though it was outdoors.

They will do whatever they want at the time and then it will take years in court to make it right if we have the money, time and emotional strength to go that far.

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Janet's avatar

I have subscribed, Franklin.

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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

Thank You Janet! Please let me know if there's anything I can improve upon! Feedback is always appreciated :)

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OnTheJump's avatar

ditto, same here Janet.

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Peace's avatar

Unorthodoxy/Franklin - If you're looking for a helpful stack idea, I am looking for any that provide the downside of masks (and one for vaxxes) that don't contain any language to point to the author's general bias toward all things Covid. In other words, nothing inflammatory either way about the narrative. I keep seeing articles with great info, but they'd be hard to simply pass along to skeptics/people in leadership due to the putdowns and non-objective languaging. There are scientific studies, I suppose, but sometimes a more easily readable paper would be helpful to pass along.

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Jayne Evans's avatar

I imagine those that have conformed may be genuinely scared of their future and it's easier to keep their heads in the sand.

I agree with you. I have the same problem, feeling I can't pass on information as the language used gaslights their choices.

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RebeccaGrrrl's avatar

I’ve also subscribed

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Peace's avatar

Great idea!

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OnTheJump's avatar

looking forward to checking it out Franklin - sounds like a great premise for a 'Stack.

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Annie's avatar

I haven't given to big charities for many years. Especially anything related to the United way. Back in the 90s my work mandated that we give for a 💯 company wide giving. I stuck to my guns and would not. That didn't sound like a charity to me. I negotiated an agreement. They gave me $20 cash and they deducted $10, one time, from my pay. The entire charity thing smelled like a rotten scam. I try to give direct now.

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Freebird's avatar

Yes, I remember the arm twisting to give our “fair share” to United Way back in the 90s. Thank goodness it wasn’t mandatory for us and I just stopped donating when I learned how corrupt they were.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

We were encouraged to give to United Way at the hospital I worked at but I wrote in my own choices of who I wanted my money to be given to and they claimed they honored that.

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rolandttg's avatar

Been that way a lot longer. We got strong armed in the'70's to give "our fair share" to United Way. Several people in the factory I worked were threatened with not getting their choice (always wanted hunting week) of vacation if they did not bend the knee.

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BelleTower's avatar

Oooooh you’re TOUGH, I like it!!!

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Annie's avatar

I don't know about tough but I can be difficult. 😉

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

The prospect of mandates was the thing that drove me to basic handgun school & to spend $$ I can't afford to get a gun.

I hate shooting, hate the gun, but I keep it for the day I go down fighting a forced jab. The only shot they'll force on me is a bullet. And I'll take out as many of them as I can before they get me.

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Christy's avatar

I’ll be on that hill with you!

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

Me too Christy 🎯

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Dr Linda's avatar

I’ll be standing next to you

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Dawn B's avatar

Coincidentally, when Rockefeller took over, the Spanish Flu became an epidemic in 1918... Our military was vaccinated with something...probably bacteria or parasite that wasn't a flu...

I just looked it up and the only info is presented are from NIH, gov, usa today, washington post, etc. untrustworthy articles BUT finally here is a DIFFERENT account of what happened.

https://www.winterwatch.net/2023/04/the-truth-revealed-about-the-deadly-1918-spanish-flu-it-was-actually-bacterial-pneumonia/ ...."During the war years of 1918 to 1919, the US Army ballooned to 6 million men, of which 2 million were sent overseas. The Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research took advantage of this new pool of human guinea pigs to conduct vaccine experiments...."

I recall Fauci wrote a paper about the Spanish Flu finding that most people died from bacteria.

History repeats and we keep taking the shots.

History.com reports, "In fact, more U.S. soldiers died from the 1918 flu than were killed in battle during the war. Forty percent of the U.S. Navy was hit with the flu, while 36 percent of the Army became ill, and troops moving around the world in crowded ships and trains helped to spread the killer virus. AND The disease, caused by a new variant of the influenza virus, was spread in part by troop movements during World War I.

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rolandttg's avatar

Came out of Fort Riley, Kansas, where the soldiers there were the guinea pigs for the flu shot. And casualties went way up after widespread masking

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Dawn B's avatar

We are not taught history truth. School is a waste...and I was a teacher until the plandemic. I believe in education and not indoctrination.

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CH's avatar

Those soldiers most likely died from pnuemonia.

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Dawn B's avatar

Yes they likely died from bacterial pneumonia and didn't get proper treatment to heal... Kinda like now with remdesivir.

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

Yes...a thousand times yes

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daverkb's avatar

I am with you!

And we might remind ourselves, to comply with the 'mandatings' of Health Terrorism is a violation of the 9th Commandment. That is, complying is a bearing of false witness by consenting to a participation in the evil of the perpetrated fraud.

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Peace's avatar

daverkb - what a great insight into the 9th Commandment. Thank you for pointing this out.

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Jen's avatar

I guess I just assumed that patient groups had the tacit approval, if not outright "guidance" from the pharmaceutical mafia. 😬 Heck, even many nutraceutical companies now have pharma bucks. (Merck and nestle have "collaborated" with a patented form of folate in that Smart Gummies chewable multi that so many pregnant women like to use.)

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Elaine Elias's avatar

Wonderful analysis. Thank you

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BelleTower's avatar

Amen amen amen

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Very well said! I’m with you TriTorch!

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Nancy Benedict's avatar

Amen brother.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Amen to that!!!

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