I agree. I actually know a few people who live IN NYC. They don't drive anywhere, so they thought this was a fair idea. I'm not sure it was as hated by NYC residents as it was outsiders?
I agree. I actually know a few people who live IN NYC. They don't drive anywhere, so they thought this was a fair idea. I'm not sure it was as hated by NYC residents as it was outsiders?
I'm a New York City resident (Brooklyn), so I'll try to give an answer to how New Yorkers feel, based on nothing more than my anecdotal experience. These tolls have been heavily sold by saying the revenues will be used to improve and expand the subway/bus system, which is appealing to those who don't drive in the city, a majority that includes car owners who mainly use their cars for driving out of the city.
On the other hand, I get the impression that most New Yorkers are pretty cynical about transit improvements actually happening after living through decades of broken promises and seeing the MTA's gross mismanagement over the years. Most suspect it will just lead to more fare increases and decreases in service, with the money misspent and pocketed for graft.
Then there are vast swaths of NYC that are not well served (or served at all) by our public transit system and who very much rely on cars to get around. These neighborhoods (large parts of Queens, areas of Brooklyn, parts of the Bronx, and essentially all of Staten Island) absolutely loathe congestion pricing. This is, to a considerable extent, a class issue. People living in comfortable, super blue areas of Manhattan and Brooklyn, for example, are well served by public transportation and often insulated by their political and economic power from much of the devastation the city has suffered in recent years. They believe that this is an example of benevolent government working to improve the lot of the oppressed, including it in their package of progressive beliefs.
Still, even in many of these enclaves, the high-handed actions of the DOT to reshape neighborhoods have alerted some (who had already started to wake up in 2020) that there is a bigger agenda behind congestion pricing than just improving air quality, reducing traffic and fixing the subways. These people are learning about 15-minute cities, and even former supporters of congestion pricing (like me) are turning against it, especially as they become aware of the Orwellian "City of Yes" that is being shoved down our throats.
So, yes, I would say that congestion pricing is widely hated in NYC, although you won't hear that from our media or the comfortable chattering class.
—“People living in comfortable, super blue areas of Manhattan and Brooklyn, for example, are well served by public transportation and often insulated by their political and economic power from much of the devastation the city has suffered in recent years. They believe that this is an example of benevolent government working to improve the lot of the oppressed, including it in their package of progressive beliefs.”
Now there’s a recurring theme. Privileged people totally cut off from the way most people live thinking that the policies they favor are “helping the poor and oppressed” and patting themselves on the back for it, when the opposite is actually happening 😡
It seems the leftist elites always feel that they know what’s better for the “lower” classes. Seems hypocritical because on one hand here in Canada, they are always going on about how we need to give credence to people’s “ lived experiences” then when people start to speak up- they are told by the “elitists” to shut up, follow the Science, obey. Canada is in a bad way right now. The slumbering sheep have been “nudged” to “obey” and “wave the flag- they are “taking it back” from those Freedumber Convoy types” and have been told it’s perfectly acceptable and “understandable” to boo another country’s national anthem at a hockey game. From this self proclaimed “fringe minority” I apologize for that and please know that there are still a number of us who don’t go along with the narrative that all our problems are caused by DJT. You won’t hear that in the media though as they are still getting their pay cheques from the government and have been given their orders to OBEY as well. Best wishes on the hockey game tonight - I will be cheering for Canada but definitely not booing the USA’s anthem 😊🇨🇦🇺🇸 🏒🥅😊
Yes definitely hypocritical, because their desire to hear people’s “lived experiences” is fake, pretend. A mere façade so they can keep telling themselves how “caring” they are.
Thank you for the wishes! I don’t really follow most mainstream sports here but I wish your team luck in your game too!
I agree. I actually know a few people who live IN NYC. They don't drive anywhere, so they thought this was a fair idea. I'm not sure it was as hated by NYC residents as it was outsiders?
I'm a New York City resident (Brooklyn), so I'll try to give an answer to how New Yorkers feel, based on nothing more than my anecdotal experience. These tolls have been heavily sold by saying the revenues will be used to improve and expand the subway/bus system, which is appealing to those who don't drive in the city, a majority that includes car owners who mainly use their cars for driving out of the city.
On the other hand, I get the impression that most New Yorkers are pretty cynical about transit improvements actually happening after living through decades of broken promises and seeing the MTA's gross mismanagement over the years. Most suspect it will just lead to more fare increases and decreases in service, with the money misspent and pocketed for graft.
Then there are vast swaths of NYC that are not well served (or served at all) by our public transit system and who very much rely on cars to get around. These neighborhoods (large parts of Queens, areas of Brooklyn, parts of the Bronx, and essentially all of Staten Island) absolutely loathe congestion pricing. This is, to a considerable extent, a class issue. People living in comfortable, super blue areas of Manhattan and Brooklyn, for example, are well served by public transportation and often insulated by their political and economic power from much of the devastation the city has suffered in recent years. They believe that this is an example of benevolent government working to improve the lot of the oppressed, including it in their package of progressive beliefs.
Still, even in many of these enclaves, the high-handed actions of the DOT to reshape neighborhoods have alerted some (who had already started to wake up in 2020) that there is a bigger agenda behind congestion pricing than just improving air quality, reducing traffic and fixing the subways. These people are learning about 15-minute cities, and even former supporters of congestion pricing (like me) are turning against it, especially as they become aware of the Orwellian "City of Yes" that is being shoved down our throats.
So, yes, I would say that congestion pricing is widely hated in NYC, although you won't hear that from our media or the comfortable chattering class.
—“People living in comfortable, super blue areas of Manhattan and Brooklyn, for example, are well served by public transportation and often insulated by their political and economic power from much of the devastation the city has suffered in recent years. They believe that this is an example of benevolent government working to improve the lot of the oppressed, including it in their package of progressive beliefs.”
Now there’s a recurring theme. Privileged people totally cut off from the way most people live thinking that the policies they favor are “helping the poor and oppressed” and patting themselves on the back for it, when the opposite is actually happening 😡
It seems the leftist elites always feel that they know what’s better for the “lower” classes. Seems hypocritical because on one hand here in Canada, they are always going on about how we need to give credence to people’s “ lived experiences” then when people start to speak up- they are told by the “elitists” to shut up, follow the Science, obey. Canada is in a bad way right now. The slumbering sheep have been “nudged” to “obey” and “wave the flag- they are “taking it back” from those Freedumber Convoy types” and have been told it’s perfectly acceptable and “understandable” to boo another country’s national anthem at a hockey game. From this self proclaimed “fringe minority” I apologize for that and please know that there are still a number of us who don’t go along with the narrative that all our problems are caused by DJT. You won’t hear that in the media though as they are still getting their pay cheques from the government and have been given their orders to OBEY as well. Best wishes on the hockey game tonight - I will be cheering for Canada but definitely not booing the USA’s anthem 😊🇨🇦🇺🇸 🏒🥅😊
Yes definitely hypocritical, because their desire to hear people’s “lived experiences” is fake, pretend. A mere façade so they can keep telling themselves how “caring” they are.
Thank you for the wishes! I don’t really follow most mainstream sports here but I wish your team luck in your game too!
And that’s a fact and not just in NYC !
Agree, it is a phenomenon that exists in many other places as well.
How the heck is it a fair idea whether you’re a driver or not. Help it makes sense!!!