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JR's avatar

Excited about the innovative thinking with this administration. I’m hopeful for big changes and much better stewardship of our hard earned tax dollars.

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Yuri Bezmenov's avatar

Agreed. Real hope and change! Unlike the fake propaganda slogan of Obama: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/obama-fake-hope-and-change-propaganda

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

The juxtaposition between 2008 and now is pretty astonishing, indeed. I remember being bamboozled by Obama for about 5 minutes. I had been a supporter of Dennis Kucinich (back in my independent/Dem-leaning days). I grudgingly voted for Obama only to be horrified at just about everything he did. Well, I can thank him for curing me of ever voting for a Democrat again, so there's that. What a crappy president he turned out to be. His third term (the Biden puppet term) was the worst.

And he himself was just a George Soros puppet/CIA asset to start with.

It's good to have someone who actually loves America in charge.

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L1's avatar

Just saw a press release that Obama’s birth certificate has been proven to be falsified. I know people discussed this for years, but this is today. Anyone know if this is true?

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Mrs. Itoldya!'s avatar

That was a big deal to Trump too! He was adamant that it was forged. Some of my Photoshop expert friends, supposedly could see the layers used, to add new text. Wouldn’t that disclosure be grand?!?!

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NanaW's avatar

There was a lot of chatter about the plane crash that occurred, where the only fatality was the women in charge of the department of health in Hawaii, who had verified Obamas birth certificate. Grok dug up the details for me:

You appear to be referring to the December 11, 2013, plane crash off the coast of Molokai, Hawaii, involving Loretta Fuddy, who was the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health at the time. This incident has been the subject of speculation and conspiracy theories, particularly among those questioning the legitimacy of Barack Obama’s birth certificate. Below is a factual summary based on available information, followed by an examination of the claims surrounding the event.

The Incident

On December 11, 2013, a Cessna Grand Caravan operated by Makani Kai Air crashed into the ocean shortly after takeoff from Kalaupapa Airport on Molokai. The flight was en route to Honolulu and carried nine people: eight passengers, including Loretta Fuddy, and one pilot. The crash occurred about a mile off the coast due to what was later identified as engine failure.

All nine individuals initially survived the impact. Passengers and the pilot evacuated the sinking aircraft, with some clinging to the wings and others floating in the water with life jackets. Rescue efforts by the U.S. Coast Guard, Maui Fire Department, and local authorities saved eight of the nine people. One person swam to shore, four were airlifted by a Maui Fire Department helicopter, and three were rescued by a Coast Guard helicopter. Loretta Fuddy, aged 65, was the only fatality. Reports indicate that she was alive after the crash, wearing a life jacket and holding hands with her deputy, Keith Yamamoto, who tried to assist her in the water. However, she became unresponsive, and it was later determined that she died of cardiac arrhythmia (an irregular heartbeat) triggered by the stress of the incident, according to the Maui County coroner’s report.

Loretta Fuddy’s Role with Obama’s Birth Certificate

Loretta Fuddy gained national attention in April 2011 when, as the Hawaii Department of Health Director, she authorized the release of Barack Obama’s long-form birth certificate. This action came in response to persistent claims by ā€œbirthersā€ā€”individuals who argued that Obama was not born in the United States and was thus ineligible to be president. In a letter to Obama, Fuddy stated that she had reviewed the original records and attested to the authenticity of the certified copies provided to him. She made an exception to departmental policy, which typically issued only computer-generated copies, citing Obama’s status as president. Obama released this document publicly to address the conspiracy theories, though many skeptics continued to allege it was forged.

Conspiracy Theories and Suspicion

Fuddy’s death in the plane crash fueled speculation among some who believed it was no coincidence. The central claim is that her death was suspicious because she was the key figure who verified Obama’s birth certificate, which they assert was fraudulent. Conspiracy theorists point to several factors:

• Sole Fatality: Fuddy was the only person to die in the crash, despite all others surviving, which some find statistically unusual.

• Timing: Her death occurred two years after the birth certificate release, leading some to suggest she might have been about to reveal incriminating information.

• Circumstances: The fact that she died in the water after surviving the initial impact, combined with the engine failure explanation, has been questioned as potentially orchestrated.

Prominent figures, including Donald Trump, commented on the event at the time. On December 12, 2013, Trump tweeted, ā€œHow amazing, the State Health Director who verified copies of Obama’s ā€˜birth certificate’ died in plane crash today. All others lived,ā€ amplifying the suspicions. Other posts on platforms like X have since claimed she was a ā€œCIA assetā€ or even Obama’s mother in disguise—assertions lacking any credible evidence.

Official Findings

The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) investigated the crash and concluded that it was caused by a ā€œcatastrophic engine failure,ā€ as stated by Makani Kai Air President Richard Schuman. The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) also conducted a probe, interviewing the pilot and surviving passengers. The coroner’s report attributed Fuddy’s death to natural causes—specifically, cardiac arrhythmia induced by the trauma of the crash—rather than drowning or foul play. No evidence of sabotage or intentional targeting has been found in official investigations.

Critical Examination

While the conspiracy theories suggest a deliberate act tied to Obama’s birth certificate, several points challenge this narrative:

• Lack of Evidence: There is no documentation or testimony indicating Fuddy was planning to ā€œexposeā€ anything about Obama’s records. Claims of forgery have been repeatedly debunked by experts, including Snopes, which analyzed the digital file and found no credible signs of manipulation.

• Practicality: Orchestrating a plane crash to kill one person while sparing eight others, including the pilot, would be extraordinarily complex compared to simpler methods if foul play were intended.

• Context: Small plane crashes, while rare, do occur, and engine failure is a known risk. The survival of most passengers aligns with the aircraft’s relatively low speed and water landing.

That said, the unusual nature of Fuddy being the sole fatality and her high-profile role in a politically charged issue naturally invite skepticism. Without concrete evidence of wrongdoing, however, the official explanation remains the most supported account.

Conclusion

Loretta Fuddy died in a plane crash on December 11, 2013, under circumstances that have been officially attributed to engine failure and a subsequent cardiac event. Her role in verifying Obama’s birth certificate has made her death a focal point for conspiracy theories alleging foul play tied to claims of a forged document. While these theories persist, particularly in online communities, they lack substantiation beyond circumstantial speculation. The incident remains a tragic event that, for some, symbolizes unresolved questions about Obama’s origins, though no definitive proof of a cover-up has emerged.

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LizardFro's avatar

ā€œClaims of forgery have been repeatedly debunked by experts, including Snopes, which analyzed the digital file and found no credible signs of manipulation.ā€ Experts and Snopes? Oh ok then. 🤣

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

I'm pretty sure it was proven years ago, but the guy who did it got so attacked and buried that in the minds of most he had no credibility. But even when I was under the lefty delusion, I thought it was really suspect. Kinda like Macron's "wife," and Big Mike. You just kinda know it's all deception, but you can't quite prove it (although it looks like now, people ARE working on that!).

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Bgagnon's avatar

L1 - if it is, I imagine we’ll be hearing from Pres Trump! šŸ˜†

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WP William's avatar

ask Grok 3 or ChatGPT-4

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

CoPilot (Microsoft AI) says it's legit - it's sources are Politico! LOL.

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Colleen The Queen's avatar

Check out Susan Daniel's substack on Obama. It's crazy!! She has all the dirt.

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L1's avatar

I think what I saw was an old press release from 2012 that someone decided to recirculate. All I could find was an article on easyvalleytribune.com from that year.

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Bitsy54's avatar

I’m hoping OBummer’s use of a stolen Connecticut social security number will make it to headlines news and cause O Bummer great payback….deportation? Loss of security detail? Erasure from history? I can only dream of the many ways to publicly stop that abomination from our lives.

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AJoy's avatar

Utterly charming and charismatic? 🤮

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yeah fake hope and change, together with his stolen-from-Bob-the-Builder campaign slogan šŸ™„

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

They really tried to make a commie "Dear Leader" out of him, didn't they? The problem there is we have enough people in this country who aren't commies and don't want any part of that. I have to laugh when I think of that poster that was designed, it was so like the "OBEY" poster and also reminds me of the communist leader propaganda posters... they were so obvious.

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WP William's avatar

Yes, the Commie-Soviet style iconography of Obama was even more revolting than a Che Guevara poster or shirt. I recently saw the same profile-image of KoupMala Harris in this same style and coloring boldly displayed on a vehicle with old white guy dutifully leaving his engine running while his female partner went into the post office.

I had unintentionally put my Kennedy 2024 hat on that morning, so in the spirit of the car operator(s), when the guy made eye contact with me, i simply smiled, took off my hat and boldly stuck it out toward him while pointing at it then gave a fist-pump to the air. God-given, Civilly Protected, Freedom of Speech, public expression, discourse, and display of symbols is a GREAT THING!

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Bruce Seibert's avatar

People used to avert their eyes when l donned my black "Make America Great Again" hat. But since the inauguration on 1/20/25, I can't walk 10 yards before someone says, "Nice hat!" or gives me a thumbs up with a smile. I usually respond by saying, "What a relief, eh?" Replied to by "YES it is!"

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kittynana's avatar

@Running- thanks. My grandson comes once a week and Bob The Builder, and its theme song, permeates the house. I just got it out of my head and you posted this. And he'll be back tomorrow....."Can we fix it? YES WE CAN!"

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RunningLogic's avatar

Oh I’m so sorry!! I had one son who was a big fan when he was little so I feel your pain!

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kittynana's avatar

HAHAHAHA!

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Uncle Juan's avatar

šŸ˜‚

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Sarah Bee's avatar

Haha

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Uncle Juan's avatar

Brilliant!

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Carlos's avatar

It is signaling the END of The FED.

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Michael Miller's avatar

With all the great things that are happening, it is exciting to witness the activity of Trump and DOGE. We still have to be cautious about a hyperactive executive branch. For example, the dreaded congestion, pricing of New York City; isn’t this states right issue?

It is important to ensure the Trumpā€˜s acts do not exceeded his constitutional authority.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

My understanding is that what they are charging is for use on public highways. Federal highways? I don’t know a lot about it yet…but was interested for the same reason. NY likely doesn’t have the authority to charge to drive on that roadway, is my guess.

Oregon is trying to build up a TOLL road on I-5 and I-205. I keep asking how? It’s an interstate. There’s no way to get from Oregon to Washington without those interstates. So how can OREGON charge citizens to drive on the Interstate?!!!! They already pay super high taxes that are supposed to pay for the damned roads! I am furious over it and I don’t even live there anymore.

When I asked Oregonians at Christmas when I was there visiting -not one had an answer of how they are getting away with this. The citizens are dumbfounded and have been castrated by the criminal cabal running Oregon. They are impotent to help at this point. I really hope Trump or his team or even Scott Pressler can go to the left coast and free the people in bondage over there. They NEED help over there!! The gangster mob has total control over their govt, their elections and their way of life. My friends and family are being strangled. This has to stop.

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Graham's avatar

What they are doing is definitely illegal. Interstate highways are the purview of the federal government

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pretty-red, old guy's avatar

hmmm. I dunno'.

In both Chicago and Minneapolis there are toll roads galore on interstates.

MPLS is not like Chicago's though-- it is only for high congestion times and restricts the far left lane only. No cameras that I know of, so pretty passive.

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FedUpInOR's avatar

Miami, FL had tons of tolls on interstates

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Pat Wetzel's avatar

What about the lanes in areas like Salt Lake City that have similar charges. Or the HOV lanes?

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Valerie's avatar

We have HOV lanes in Houston but, as far as I know, none of them are tolled. You just get a ticket if you’re caught on them with too few people in the car. We definitely have toll roads, but not on interstates.

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pretty-red, old guy's avatar

HOV lanes

Oh yeah, that's what Minnesota has, not toll roads. . . just tag you if caught.

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Help Needed in KS's avatar

Portions of I-70 heading west from Kansas City are toll roads. The tolls are collected by the State of Kansas. You make a good point, how does a Federally funded highway generate tolls for the State? Is the money divided up between the Feds and Kansas? I have no idea how this works; does anyone here know?

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Do you remember when they told us we'd only pay for the I-70 turnpike toll roads coming out of KC for 10 years?

Thats why people should never vote for new taxes that have an alleged sunset. Because when you vote for it, it always becomes permanent.

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Fred's avatar

Coronado Bay Bridge in San Diego is a prime example. Took lawsuits to make the tolls finally end after the bridge was paid off.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Yup. I'm from San Diego, but spent 3 years in KC during grade school.

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Dena's avatar

True - the senate voted the 1913 Revenue Act ( income tax) into law. All the Dems , except 1 voting for if, & all but 1 R voting against. Was supposed to be temporary.

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Bgagnon's avatar

Same story with all the bridges in San Francisco Bay Area and tolls just keep going up!

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pretty-red, old guy's avatar

Really?

I did NOT know that!

Dems for taxes, Repubs against-- even a 100 yrs ago.

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Tomaso's avatar

Same thing in the peoples republic of Illinois.

Supposed to end when tollways were paid off.

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pretty-red, old guy's avatar

The Dan Ryan etc.

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Donna in MO's avatar

I thought that was the case, seem to remember an outcry about that - I live in MO but halfway follow KS issues. I will say that a low population state like KS it makes more sense to tax the drivers who use that road vs piling on taxes for the people who live there and in some cases never even drive on it. But that assumes KDOT uses the money wisely?? I will say we took the 1-70 toll roads to CO for an annual ski vacation for 20+ years and the roads are in good shape unlike the pothole-ridden always under construction roads in states like IL.

MO floated a toll for adding a lane to I-70 across the state about 7-8 years ago and that went over like a lead balloon. But we got a pile of covid money and that is now what is funding the expansion, so no toll roads in MO.

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daverkb's avatar

Well, it's not just generating revenue for the sake of revenue, and incidentally ... road repair. It's about people control, and the fake agendas like climate and carbon which are also about control of every aspect of human action.

So ... DOGE revelations, USAID for example and much more. There's plenty of money for road, vital infrastructure IF IT WERE GRIFTED, outright stolen away.

And so, 'they' are outright playing us left and right. And I hope it ends now.

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Irunthis1's avatar

Shit I had no idea you were a Kansas (or maybe MO?) resident too! No wonder we get along so famously. (or at least agree with one another a lot). My county did get rid of our section of the I-70 toll--it now doesn't start until I think Douglas County whereas it used to start in Leavenworth.

I'm keeping a stank eye on whatever they think they are going to shove down our throats about the "Chiefs" and us poor citizens having to pay for any of it---which I want ZERO part of.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Yup. I'm from San Diego, but spent 3 years in KC during grade school.

And i went to grad school at Mizzou

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Donna in MO's avatar

STAR bonds.....for a stadium they will play a dozen games a year in a good year and maybe a few concerts. Done with this welfare scheme - Royals and Chiefs can move for all I care! Get woke, go broke.

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NanaW's avatar

A good reminder! The sun never sets on the grifter empire.

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Bgagnon's avatar

Sunset, temporary, stop, end and the like are not words in the govt vocabulary - I suspect they are in the Govt Book of Lies tho šŸ˜†

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Pretty much! Same in CA

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Help Needed in KS's avatar

Nope. Must have been before my time. Didn't have to use I-70 until 2008 when I started a new job in Topeka and commuted.

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Irunthis1's avatar

They did move the toll location start point from Leavenworth County to Douglas at least 15 maybe 20 years ago (time flies) as I think Leavenworth opted out of continuing the toll here. I don't remember the particulars of it but I can guarantee it cost them a pretty penny to move it.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

It was in late 70's

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Sunlover's avatar

That is so true!

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Ohio Deb's avatar

Do you think the toll roads(control roads) are part of the conditioning for restricting travel or 15 minute cities?

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I know Michigan/Indiana has them also BUT you can take back roads without tolls as well. I wonder if as long as there is an alternate route they can get away with it??? Oregon Washington -nope! The only alternative that MIGHT work would take a commuter hours out of the way. I can’t see how this is legal. But without anyone to stop them…..

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

Oregon and Washington are really crazy states. I recall when moving to Idaho, I had been in Oregon but not driven. So I didn't know you aren't allowed to pump your own gas! That was odd. And then their taxes are super high. No bueno.

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kittynana's avatar

@Mary Rose- after driving cross country in 2009 from NY to Oregon, we needed gas. Husband got out and grabbed the pump handle and the attendant came running out and yelling at him. We had no idea we weren't allowed to pump our own!! Flip that to my Oregon sister renting a car and visiting NY- she pulled up to the pump and sat there until someone honked for her to get out and do it herself. Good thing she can laugh at herself!

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

Mary Rose, I grew up in WA and had a lot of relatives living in the Portland, OR area. For a long time, the best of both tax worlds was to live in Vancouver, WA with no income tax and shop across the river (Columbia) in OR which has no sales tax. We would take advantage of the "no sales tax" when we would visit the grandparents. I bought a lot of horse tack at the tack store near my grandparents' house as I didn't have to pay any sales tax!

I did have issues at the gas stations, as I would forget that I could not pump my own gas. They did pass a law a few years ago allowing folks to pump their own gas. If you do let them pump your gas, they now expect you to tip the gas attendants. Ai, yai, yai!

Mrs. "the Knife"

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Frank F's avatar

Indiana has toll roads Michigan does not. Governor wants to to switch to Toll Roads. Hope not!

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RunningLogic's avatar

Only I-80/90 at this point. Although some people are calling for more.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Yes. Sorry. I said Michigan because we drove from Michigan to Chicago a lot. So, ya. Misspoke that Michigan has toll roads. Oops 😬

Thanks for clarifying.

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Hektor Bleriot's avatar

Another Kansas C&Cer here! live on the SW corner of KC, in Olathe (an ancient Indian word meaning "duplex," or "car dealership").

I grew up in South KCMO, but moved to the Free State nearly 40yrs ago. So, Missourian by birth; Kansan by choice.

Travel on the Kansas turnpike frequently, and well, I don't know the particulars of how it works, I suspect it has something to do with maintenance agreements between the state and the federal government that allow Kansas to take tolls. Tolls. I will say this, the Kansas turnpike between here and the Western boundary of the state is, while somewhat monotonous, very well maintained. If they are grifting off it, they're still spending a fair chunk of change on keeping it nice.

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Donna in MO's avatar

I am on the MO side in Lee's Summit, sorry your county is turning blue just like mine has been forever. All those KC refugees coming over to escape the mess they made there.

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Bgagnon's avatar

Same here in Cali on big interstate roads šŸ¤”

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Lorita's avatar

This is TRUE. This has been my experience living in Oregon for 11 yrs. The are no "we the people" anymore.

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Brett Hyland's avatar

Fellow Oregonian strangulee here. Please, yes, come save us from the coordinated, whole-of-government tyranny in which we are imprisoned. Getting rid of NPR would be GREATLY helpful as a first order of action!

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Double Mc's avatar

Better have blankies, coloring books and lattes ready. The brainwashed masses will melt down.

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Karen Bandy's avatar

Just like our kicker… you’ll get it next year, uh, it’s been ā€˜next year’ for 3-4 years now I think.

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Debbie's avatar

In Canada there was a toll highway from the from Kamloops in the interior BC to Vancouver. It was $8 each am as a toll BUT it cut the trip down from 8 hours to 4 hours. The toll was only supposed o be for a few years but it ended up being about 5x longer than that. From the 80s to the 2000s. I grew up in BC and I remember then Coquihalla as a toll highway but I was already living in the USA ( moved here in 2001). It was still a toll in 2007.

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Kathy Sullivan's avatar

I am not 100% certain, but I worked for DOT and closely with the Turnpike (Toll Road Operation) and from what I gathered is the Turpike owners buy portions of the roads that they then must maintain without Federal dollars and they charge what what they want for driving on it!

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paula's avatar

There are other roads that connect OR and WA. US 101 and several bridges over the Columbia River along the Gorge. Wonder if they'll try to put tolls on those. The bridge between Hood River and White Salmon has always been a toll bridge.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Like I said….adding hours to a trip just to get to or from Vancouver šŸ™„. Stupidest thing I’ve heard of doing since they came out with the words global warming šŸ™„

However. Their goal is to keep us in our 15 min city 😔 so they are trying to make it so we can’t travel freely. How? By charging us to get outside of our area! People stop traveling if they have to pay even more money to these asshats. Pretty soon they’ll choke off the still ā€œfreeā€ roads and voila! Can’t leave your ā€œcityā€ without paying. Agenda accomplished! We have a long way to go to rid ourselves of these cockroaches.

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

Sunnydaze, well, I suppose one could drive to Astoria and cross over to Washington there, but that is a bit of a drive to avoid the tolls. We would have to do it in reverse to visit family we have that still live in Oregon.

When I was a kid, there was a toll on the I-90 floating bridge to Seattle to pay for the bridge. I think the toll booths were down by the time I was in Junior High, but that was so long ago, I don't remember exactly. šŸ˜‚

Now we have tolls on the Narrows bridge, so we can go visit family in Port Orchard, but we can't get back without either paying the toll ($6) or taking the ferry back. I don't know if those tolls will ever sunset. And, they have tolled the HOV lanes on I-405 and Hwy. 167. If you don't have the state's Good to Go Pass, they charge you extra for using the HOV lanes, even if you are a carpool, 'cause the govt has to know where you are going and when and who is in the car, as they snap your picture as you drive under the gantry (and probably how fast, too!)

Mrs. "the Knife"

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Ugh. Yup. That’s the route I was thinking. Clear up to Astoria! That’s a LONG commute for someone just trying to get to or from Vancouver šŸ™„. I’m a little shocked there isn’t more of an uproar. But it’s hard to get citizens to roar even a little after they’ve been beaten down year after year. Pretty soon they just keep quiet. šŸ˜ž

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LizardFro's avatar

My father (a lawyer) said ā€œinterstate commerceā€ is a hard one to beat in any case. I would think this directly applies here.

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Donna in MO's avatar

Well I am in MO, but live close to the state line of KS, so I pay a little bit of attention to KS and certainly drive on the roads there. Interstate 70 has a section of toll road in KS, as does I-35 - It is administered through KDOT. So it must be legal??

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GG's avatar

Well, Jeff did say that the Biden administration gave approval for the project, so somehow, the federal government is involved. Trump rescinded the approval and it's gone.

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Kalinda's avatar

I'd have to look it up, but the NYC congestion fee relies on federal money to work. Trump just pulled back the federal part.

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

He might be trying to stop the crazy illegal lawmaking of the type that went on during Covid. Seems like now the Woke Jacobin Marxists think they can make laws to do whatever they want. And of course most of them are WEF puppets, with 15-minute "Smart Cities" on their minds (and in there directives).

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Abiding Dude's avatar

Biden's corrupt crew did that often... perhaps some "extra-Constitutional" actions need to be taken to correct them.

OK by me. This country is so messed up, I actually support a bit of authoritarianism... remember, the traitor swine are fighting back so hard against exposure of their long-term corruption and graft... time for playing nice is over.

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Vicki's avatar

To initiate their idea in the first place, NY needed approval from the DOT, which they readily received from the Biden administration. Trump's appointee simply withdrew approval. Nothing over reaching whatsoever.

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Fortified City's avatar

Now!! we gonna worry about Trump exceeding his Constitutional authority after having sat by and watched; the many past administration piss all over the people, the Flag and our Constitution…give me a break

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Michael Miller's avatar

just because the other side does not observe morality or ethics, does not release us from the obligation to do so. As great as all recent developments are, we must guard against hubris and heavy handedness.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

How is he exceeding his constitutional authority?

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Regina Restrained's avatar

I agree. I actually know a few people who live IN NYC. They don't drive anywhere, so they thought this was a fair idea. I'm not sure it was as hated by NYC residents as it was outsiders?

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Grandma Bear's avatar

I'm a New York City resident (Brooklyn), so I'll try to give an answer to how New Yorkers feel, based on nothing more than my anecdotal experience. These tolls have been heavily sold by saying the revenues will be used to improve and expand the subway/bus system, which is appealing to those who don't drive in the city, a majority that includes car owners who mainly use their cars for driving out of the city.

On the other hand, I get the impression that most New Yorkers are pretty cynical about transit improvements actually happening after living through decades of broken promises and seeing the MTA's gross mismanagement over the years. Most suspect it will just lead to more fare increases and decreases in service, with the money misspent and pocketed for graft.

Then there are vast swaths of NYC that are not well served (or served at all) by our public transit system and who very much rely on cars to get around. These neighborhoods (large parts of Queens, areas of Brooklyn, parts of the Bronx, and essentially all of Staten Island) absolutely loathe congestion pricing. This is, to a considerable extent, a class issue. People living in comfortable, super blue areas of Manhattan and Brooklyn, for example, are well served by public transportation and often insulated by their political and economic power from much of the devastation the city has suffered in recent years. They believe that this is an example of benevolent government working to improve the lot of the oppressed, including it in their package of progressive beliefs.

Still, even in many of these enclaves, the high-handed actions of the DOT to reshape neighborhoods have alerted some (who had already started to wake up in 2020) that there is a bigger agenda behind congestion pricing than just improving air quality, reducing traffic and fixing the subways. These people are learning about 15-minute cities, and even former supporters of congestion pricing (like me) are turning against it, especially as they become aware of the Orwellian "City of Yes" that is being shoved down our throats.

So, yes, I would say that congestion pricing is widely hated in NYC, although you won't hear that from our media or the comfortable chattering class.

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RunningLogic's avatar

ā€”ā€œPeople living in comfortable, super blue areas of Manhattan and Brooklyn, for example, are well served by public transportation and often insulated by their political and economic power from much of the devastation the city has suffered in recent years. They believe that this is an example of benevolent government working to improve the lot of the oppressed, including it in their package of progressive beliefs.ā€

Now there’s a recurring theme. Privileged people totally cut off from the way most people live thinking that the policies they favor are ā€œhelping the poor and oppressedā€ and patting themselves on the back for it, when the opposite is actually happening 😔

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It seems the leftist elites always feel that they know what’s better for the ā€œlowerā€ classes. Seems hypocritical because on one hand here in Canada, they are always going on about how we need to give credence to people’s ā€œ lived experiencesā€ then when people start to speak up- they are told by the ā€œelitistsā€ to shut up, follow the Science, obey. Canada is in a bad way right now. The slumbering sheep have been ā€œnudgedā€ to ā€œobeyā€ and ā€œwave the flag- they are ā€œtaking it backā€ from those Freedumber Convoy typesā€ and have been told it’s perfectly acceptable and ā€œunderstandableā€ to boo another country’s national anthem at a hockey game. From this self proclaimed ā€œfringe minorityā€ I apologize for that and please know that there are still a number of us who don’t go along with the narrative that all our problems are caused by DJT. You won’t hear that in the media though as they are still getting their pay cheques from the government and have been given their orders to OBEY as well. Best wishes on the hockey game tonight - I will be cheering for Canada but definitely not booing the USA’s anthem šŸ˜ŠšŸ‡ØšŸ‡¦šŸ‡ŗšŸ‡ø šŸ’šŸ„…šŸ˜Š

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes definitely hypocritical, because their desire to hear people’s ā€œlived experiencesā€ is fake, pretend. A mere faƧade so they can keep telling themselves how ā€œcaringā€ they are.

Thank you for the wishes! I don’t really follow most mainstream sports here but I wish your team luck in your game too!

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Bgagnon's avatar

And that’s a fact and not just in NYC !

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RunningLogic's avatar

Agree, it is a phenomenon that exists in many other places as well.

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Susan Viscuso's avatar

How the heck is it a fair idea whether you’re a driver or not. Help it makes sense!!!

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Marilynne Martin's avatar

NYC applied for Federal approval and received federal approval to institute the congestion pricing scam. Yes, your Federal government has been promoting these agenda 21 scams to the States for years and your Congressmen/women have been funding them for years too. You can find some reports on the federal govt website here. https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/congestionpricing/cp_what_is.htm

So the Federal govt approves it and then Trump rescinds it. How is that legal? It isn't and will most likely be overturned by the courts., unless a default of the conditions of approval were violated OR NYC wants a reason to overturn it because they fear for their lives (ha, ha - this program is very unpopular - full disclosure, I am a former NY'er).

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Gaslighted's avatar

The governess doesn't have the money. President Trump just cut off the gravy train for the bloated MTA bottomless pit. There's never enough money for that trough. What he did is not illegal. To think that he cannot do this and continue to withdraw Federal funding from this shithole city and state is laughable, at least. These feckless "leaders" and apparently some observers have not a clue what he's actually doing to them and what's coming next and from which directions simultaneously. 30 days in and they are terrified. The governess has shit between its ears and it's oozing from multiple orifices, and will be arrested and criminally charged for aiding and abetting illegal aliens. These douchettes have billions of taxpayer dollars for illegals but haven't a dime for their "toll" system? So, raise taxes and fees more elsewhere which is such a popular rallying cry, especially in an upcoming election season. President Trump has forced these morons into a trap of their own making, and going forward they will engage in a circular firing squad. Long live the King, in deed.

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Marilynne Martin's avatar

Since I still see that the last "lock her up" NY'er is still roaming around Chappaqua, NY, I won't hold my breath for these other arrests.

As I assume you are calling me "some observers have not a clue what he's actually doing", we will agree to disagree.

If the fed's approved this, I see no authority to "pull" approval. I am not sure if the Fed's are actually funding this - still looking. So you ask your town for a zoning exemptiion or rezone to do a home project and they say yes. Two months later can they pull that approval? Even after you spent thousands of dollars on that project? This is the world you want to live in?

Let me tell you why I think Musk is a phony. Here is a fun fact.

Take a look at Tesla's financials, here is the last 10K

https://ir.tesla.com/_flysystem/s3/sec/000162828025003063/tsla-20241231-gen.pdf

Go to page 49 of the report to find the Income Statement. My My, this company has a Revenue line called "Automotive Regulatory Credits". What in the world is that? In 2024, it amounted to $2.763 Billion dollars!

Now go to page 55 and read up on what they are. "We earn tradable credits in the operation of our automotive business under various regulations related to ZEVs, greenhouse gas, fuel economy and clean fuel. We sell these credits to other regulated entities who can use the credits to comply with emission standards and other regulatory requirements." "We recognize revenue on the sale of automotive regulatory credits, which have negligible incremental costs associated

with them, at the time control of the regulatory credits is transferred to the purchasing party. "

Now also read how he uses them to show a profit that the boy wonder can't make the old fashion way.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/18/tesla-electric-vehicle-regulatory-credits-explained.html

See without all the government incentives, and there are more than just carbon credits, Musk isn't so rich.

Will Musk put an end to these carbon credit schemes?

Caution: Objects in the mirror are closer than they appear.

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Gaslighted's avatar

Also, Musk and Tesla have nothing to do with this. Unnecessary ad hominem attacks that are irrelevant to the governess not having the dough to pay for it’s tyranny are just a distraction and I can only speculate why this is thrown in.

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Gaslighted's avatar

The town zoning approval hypothesis is not the equivalent. The homeowner is using his own money. These grifters are use Taxpayer money, which is supposed to be used for highway maintenance for the public’s use. If the governess wants to impose tolls and abuse the citizens of the formerly great state of New York, that’s its prerogative. The control of the public highways goes back to England, which is still the foundation of the government control of the public highways. Only the king can impede the use of the public highways. Long Live the King.

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Marilynne Martin's avatar

I'm sorry you didn't hear the news. It came out on July 4, 1776. The people booted the King. They rejected royalty rule.

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Garden Lover's avatar

It looks like the main road into Manhattan is an interstate 190, a federal road. Also, it’s a good possibility they applied for a grant to install all of the surveillance equipment required to make this happen. If the grant was pulled, no money to do it.

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WP William's avatar

Jeff, law firms, and courts are now commonly using AI. AI can sift and find and rationalize any legal loophole or a list of statutes and provisions in moments...currently, in this DOGE and Counter-revolution pushback, this appears to be far more a detriment and Achilles heel to the twisted evil, baseless, argument-asserting "authorities" running the spiders' web-system than it is to their advantage

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Garden Lover's avatar

But AI is not always correct. Matter of fact, it’s easy to corrupt.

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Gaslighted's avatar

Garbage in, garbage out.

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Team Normal, Captain's avatar

See my comment...Pay Down the Debt needs be priority one for our resource riches.

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AM Schimberg's avatar

Agree

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Garden Lover's avatar

Me, too.

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Renee Marie's avatar

The debt is impossible to pay.

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glenne's avatar

True! I say give $5000 tax credits to all tax payers. If you don’t pay taxes, no money for you.

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Renee Marie's avatar

I don’t want shit from the government. People get used to that like a UBI.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

My biggest concern is that too much info is being dumped for regular people to keep up. We have to have moderates or we can't hit critical mass.

But, on the other hand, I'm not sure they're going to get "lost" in it. There's just too much being dumped to at least not digest the broad strokes.

There's a reason people despise hypocrisy, especially when it involves their pocket book. And its why memes work; hypocrisy is base material for mockery and humor.

Two very powerful tools to control the plot. They're force multipliers when combined. And it's a tool to allow them to expose themselves as fools and/or cry babies

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Donna Oliphint's avatar

Yes! But I like this critical mass far better than the one we’ve been subjected to under Biden. At least it’s beneficial rather than destructive.

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Fortified City's avatar

The idea is to be fast and furious so that Democrats can’t keep up

ā€œRegular folks are just gonna have to get their head out of their butt and keep up or get left behind.

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NanaW's avatar

It’s like a boot camp for paying attention.

Most of us (and I include myself in this to my shame) were so caught up in living a busy life of raising kids and doing everyday tasks and our jobs, that we didn’t pay attention to the government and assumed everything was A-OK with it. I mean, we got to vote, right? And while we didn’t like everything that was done, we assumed those in power over us mostly wanted us all to be doing well in our country.

Evil and corruption COUNT on that mind set. And that so many awoke out of the slumber in a relatively brief time, with DJT being the catalyst for that tipping point, has infuriated them. Trump is right, they’re not after him, they’re after us, and he’s just in the way. I’m grateful there were always some who kept faith and were watching things while I slumbered away.

It’s now up to us ALL to pay attention, and not let the siren call of it’s all ok ever worm its way back into our collective unconsciousness. Eternal vigilance really is the key to our freedom. The darkness hates the light. Be the light.

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Carolyn's avatar

AMEN! We have been so programmed to not think critically and just rely on the government. No more.

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Rick Olivier's avatar

Meme War Is Real! (I couldn't resist)

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

'A modern-day warrior

Meme, meme stride

Today's Tom Sawyer

Meme, meme pride'

Bah boom bah boom...no his mind is not for rent...

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Dave aka Geezermann's avatar

The key "word" for today, this week, and this year - FAFO.

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NanaW's avatar

Someone should design a flag. It could be our generation’s Gadsden Flag.

If someone does one, I’d for sure buy one and proudly display it.

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Dave aka Geezermann's avatar

Let me see what I can do.

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NanaW's avatar

Please do share when you can.

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WP William's avatar

The Auditing of the Federal Reserve (From 1913 til 2025) should prove revealing as well. Let's get some HISTORICAL reparations style perspective on the generational grifting that has occurred for every agency, bureau, and department. Every charity, contractor, program, recipient, etc etc can be unmasked and made transparent.

Ok, to focus efforts and counter the Media narrative of invasion of privacy, let's set an arbitrary baseline limit that CITIZENS or US-registered Corporations who've received less than a total of $120,000 benefits or contracts (tied to historical inflation) are not worth scrutinizing.

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Karen T Foust's avatar

Feud not cued

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

They. Are. Scared. This is profound weakness. They will never get it. They've harbored hate so long that it came for them. They're seeing red, so they only see what's in front of them, instead of taking the 30k ft. view.

Trump and his wrecking crew has a method of operating which the Russians call "razvedka boyem" --reconnaissance through battle.

You push and you see what happens and then you change your position.

Its astonishing they can't get it. But then again none of them have had to negotiate in their entire lives. It's so blatantly obvious to those with negotiating experience.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Excellent points. I like how Trump demonstrating how to be an alpha. It's contagious.

Courage and hope is growing.

This is our time to make long lasting systemic changes in our government and our society!

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Yeah. Masculinity is making a come back.

Thank goodness. The alpha in me can not abide pussy's.

And that's exactly what happens when you don't allow boys to be boys.

Some of this is caused by boys not having present fathers (in both senses of present).

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Fred Jewett's avatar

I was in a convenience store in St. Petersburg, FL and the store owner wasn't busy and we got to talking. He explained to me how it works. I am using his words so don't jump to the false conclusion that I am racist. "Black girls get pregnant young often before they finish high school and live on welfare (without a hubby). They figure out how to work the system. They are not usually great moms and the kids grow up to be another strain on the system".

I knew one black guy we called Big Black who claimed to have fathered 17 children throughout the US and Canada but only lived with his wife and one child. He came to me one day after his latest impregnation of another woman and asked "I don't know how it happened, I pulled out". I replied "Don't you know about the preshot?".

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patrick.net/memes's avatar

You get more of whatever you pay for. If you pay black girls to have babies, they will have more babies.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Exactly. We subsidized and created this mess. You can’t really blame people for gaming the system. Everyone games it to some degree. We’re all ā€˜Players’ of one sort or another. That’s life.

The key is whether or not it’s a Godly life with righteous boundaries created by fear of God and the violation of His commandments.

God was kicked out of our institutions and here we are.

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liz's avatar

so only poor black girls have figured out this scam? doubtful.

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Kalinda's avatar

That was that convenience store owners experience. Perhaps he lives in a predominately black area and that is what he has for reference.

But in truth, any welfare parent will teach their child to be exactly as they are by example. Unless a child has a very strong desire to do better, they do what they know. Simply giving people money for doing nothing does not encourage anyone to better themselves. People need a hand UP not a hand OUT. IMO.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Oh poor white rural girls have figured it out too, as I’m sure have others! (I’m just speaking about the ones I have direct knowledge of).

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Double Mc's avatar

The truth is, they have figured out if they have a baby, the government will give them their own apartment (Section 8), and food stamps. They see it as a ticket out. Mama is thrilled to have one less kid in the house, so everyone wins...but taxpayers and the child. The blacks have just been playing the game longer.

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patrick.net/memes's avatar

Show me where I said "only".

Hillbillies do the same thing.

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John Cougar Misanthrope's avatar

Sadly, basic facts are not racist. Having grown up in the Detroit suburbs, I knew several black girls who had babies in high school. A few of them turned out to be good, caring mothers and their kids turned out okay. I will add that here in Tennessee the mentality transcends race. I've also noticed a lot of young white girls of the middle Tennessee variety with young kids.

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liz's avatar

you're in Tennesee? how's it going w the weather onslaught?

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John Cougar Misanthrope's avatar

My son is loving it since they've closed the schools because road salt and snow plows don't exist here. It's okay as long as you don;t have to drive anywhere. I walk outside and it feels like I'm back in Michigan.

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liz's avatar

if traditional marriage isnt working for these young people then society has an interest in TEACHING THESE YOUNG WOMEN useful skills so they can make a living and support their kids. But we need to get in there and figure out WHY they arent able to marry and make it work.

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John Cougar Misanthrope's avatar

Sadly, it's cultural. Thomas Sowell wrote some great stuff about the true impact of affirmative action and our culture - particularly since Johnson's 'Great Society' experiment - that is designed to promote government dependence as a means of social control.

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liz's avatar

there needs to be a well thought out answer to this. like somehow move away from paying young girls of whatever race to have babies, and towards adoption. and of COURSE FREE AND EASILY AVAILABLE BIRTH CONTROL and (sorry, not sorry) Free abortion up to 3 months. needs to be administered by a compassionate women's organization, preferably coming from some churches. with COMMON SENSE.

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Donna Oliphint's avatar

Sorry, but if you talk to any abortion workers you will find out abortion IS used as birth control. What you won’t find out is how abortion affects the girls years later. You can get condoms pretty much anywhere, and they’re cheap. But you have to use them for them to work.

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RunningLogic's avatar

It require people to be responsible which is the opposite of what those milking the system are.

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liz's avatar

really it needs to be in coordination with some REWARDS. teaching these girls some useful and well remunerated skills to support their babies, and the Black Men's community needs to step up and start supporting their women... if the community decides they want them to stay home. the kids need to be raised by grandma or an auntie who needs to be paid something reasonable... there is a whole community and culture that needs to be empowered to deal with this problem. ideally it would come out of the Black churches from our Common Sense community

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

You're a monster.

It is becoming more clear that moderation leads to more murder.

Time to go back to treating it like what it is: homicide.

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pretty-red, old guy's avatar

as an early track to the final road out of this hell, you may be correct.

I would modify that a bit:

-- Only the "pill" for birth control; not abortion via pill or otherwise

-- Abortion up to 6 weeks and ONLY after counseling by "right to Life" advocate groups(seeing ultrasound of their baby and hearing the heartbeat; hearing from a woman who is dealing with the psychological after effects of abortion; hearing from a woman saved from or NOT aborted and her life story; hearing from a woman raised in a foster home after being adopted). If the woman hears and sees ALL this, still demands an abortion, hey, it is ON HER. Let her go and deal with it.

-- in case of incest or rape: VERY special case requries very special treatment. I have no answer for that one!

Then, after all this has transpired for a decade or two re-route the train to a more highly restricted lane to abortion. . .

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MayBella82's avatar

What about tying tubes until they are old enough to be responsible adults. If they never are, they go play all they want without killing another human being.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Call me racist if you want, but I know from close interactions that the black community delights in the creation of mixed race babies.

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kittynana's avatar

@Willing- oh, yes.

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pretty-red, old guy's avatar

Interesting.

Never heard that one before. If so, it appears racist on their part!--against their own darker versions.

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Astragale's avatar

Female here.

We need Alphas.

Betas have their place but we need Alphas!

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Inverted Pyramid's avatar

Trump is applying the Ali ā€œRope-a-Dopeā€ maneuver by having his entire Cabinet making weekly kinetic tactical pronouncements... in other words, resources are stretched and depleted within the Swamp. Look for another End Around.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Yup. Exactly

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NanaW's avatar

I’m reminded of a phrase that went around in the Reddit and Chan boards, when Trump first appeared as a political figure. ā€œA very stable genius.ā€

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”Andrew the Great!'s avatar

"But then again none of them have had to negotiate in their entire lives. It's so blatantly obvious to those with negotiating experience."

Exactly. Just as we're seeing with the incompetents running Europe, they have NO management skills. They're ONLY politicians. No skills dealing with real people, only with each other (as they divvy up the real people's pies).

I'm hopeful that there are future GOP leaders who are watching and learning from Trump HOW to BE negotiators and managers, not merely how to be vote-getters.

Trump is creating a whole new paradigm. I only hope we have folks smart enough to recognize it, so we never return to the old.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

The creators of Monty Python could not have made this stuff up, although they came close in their "It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them!" sketch.

Its really going to be funny when all these gleaming heads figure out that the world is one massive crime scene.

Our entire system of governance/politics, across the world, has not suffered any consequences for so long that they've become total imbeciles - they're totally unaware of it

Western civilizations leaders are terrorists. Change my mind. Basically what we're seeing is what happens when empires are in decline, deliberately done by design by the overlords:

We get weak, corrupt, venal, not particularly intelligent rulers - and did I mention corrupt?

Basically Caligula without the charisma - or Nero without the musical talent.

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”Andrew the Great!'s avatar

El Gato Malo wrote a compelling piece in Substack a couple of days ago on this general subject. I'm sure you and probably everyone reading this knows of it, but I'll link to it just the same.

Appropriately titled "the global crime scene" ~ https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-global-crime-scene

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Oh yeah. I dont miss any articles from gato or Jeff, whether i comment or not....or don't get around to reading it for a couple days.

Probably my two favorites as well as Chris Bray and eugyppius

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Politico Phil's avatar

Bay of Pigs betrayal by CIA 4/61

Operation Northwoods cancelled by JFK - 3/62

JFK assassinated 11/63

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

Monty Python also nailed it with their "Silly Party" sketch.

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Gaye's avatar

ā€œA republic, if you can keep it.ā€

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RSgva's avatar

Agree in principle, but I’m not sure what the Europeans can actually do now if Putin already knows that the US will not support them. This may have been the problem when Biden was so gung-ho and overriding Macron etc. Maybe the US had Kompromat on a lot of those leaders?

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Dr Linda's avatar

I understand their fear though. They thought they had it all figured out. They had all the plans and answers. They didn’t believe they could lose.

They were wrong. Our diligence is required.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

This 100%. Hubris and hate is a powerful potion.

And it was their downfall. Always is.

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RunningLogic's avatar

The Bible tells us so, even 😁

This is what I’ve been saying to all of the ā€œoh the people orchestrating all of the leftists’ actions are so cunning and have anticipated our every move so we can never winā€ laments. Some of the puppet masters may indeed be cunning but they’re also full of pride and hubris. AND they have to rely on minions who are not smart, unethical and also greedy. Which is not a winning combination, in the end.

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jmsmithmd's avatar

I don’t think anyone is downfallen until there is prison time.

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patrick.net/memes's avatar

Yes. There must be justice.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

That’s the only thing that will bring them to a halt.

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Gaye's avatar

Hubris always carries the risk of awakening nemesis.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

LOLOLOL. Thx i needed that!

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

They lived in fairyland, or unicornland, or some bizarre place in their heads.

Talk about magical thinking.

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patrick.net/memes's avatar

Right, lately it occurred to me that Trump is good at the rope-a-dope strategy of triggering the left so they walk into his traps because he has a lot of experience in the NY commercial real estate market.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Exactly. They fall for it every time. It's like road runner ground hog day. Every. Day.

Its really funny if you think about it.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Aaaaand here comes the anvil crashing down again! šŸ˜šŸ˜†šŸ˜‚

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Gaslighted's avatar

The last 4 years were the rope-a-dope. They thought it looked like he was against the ropes, covered up and taking withering blows that will lead to his ultimate defeat. Like Ali, he came off the ropes and cleaned their clock. Now we're watching the return pummeling.

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

And the BEST thing to do is strike while the enemy is confused or weak. I do now see that the Trump team all seem to be very familiar with the warrior tactics of Sun Tzu.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Yes. And ain't it fun to watch!

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Kitkat's avatar

I follow Kaitlyn Bennet on YT on her Liberty Hangout channel. She does those "man on the street" interviews. This one was actually quite good. She found an "old school" democrat and they had a good conversation. It's funny his reaction to the rapid lib protestors. Worth a 9 min watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_RPIeNOKLs

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Willing Spirit's avatar

And always remember with these videos, you can increase the playback speed.

I find 1.25 is good for any, some you can watch at 1.5

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Duckduffer's avatar

Spent the majority of my career in sales. What was obvious from the start is those with no ability to effectively negotiate learn early on to simply tell the prospect what they want to hear, in other words lie. Hence the saying "if it sounds to good to be true"....unfortunately what also becomes obvious is the tactic of lying...works on a high percentage of folks. At least until the lie falls apart which is usually downstream from the sale. We are now downstream from the liberal lies and they don't have anything left to sell.

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NanaW's avatar

ā€œIn the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is King.ā€

President Trump has definitely got both eyes open. He’s not perfect, but we stand a greater chance with him now, than anytime in the last 100+ years or so. Our foes remain blinded by their pride, arrogance and greed. This is our moment. Have faith in God. ā€œTherefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.ā€

Eph 6:13

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AnnR's avatar

As a Town Meeting Member and as a Selectwoman in my former small town, I fought like HELL to force the town to "rebate" excess "free cash" at the end of each fiscal year. Excess free cash, for those not up on municipal finances, is another word for SURPLUS, or more precisely, "what the town overcharged and over-collected in real estate taxes during the prior budget year and which clearly was not needed in the budget, because it wasn't spent." The bureaucrats used the "surplus" as their slush fund for their pet projects that would NOT have passed in the budget (due to the frivolous nature of the pet projects) at the annual Town Meeting. In my former town, it ranged from $5 million to $12 million each fiscal year. Believe me when I tell you, the collective gasp from every bureaucrat agency in town, and (shockingly, to me) a large minority of residents, was like I was demanding their firstborn. They are ALL pigs at the trough. There is definitely something pathologically and psychologically satisfying to them, that they live vicariously through spending other people's money. They don't need to purchase or build it for their own use or ownership, but they get this addictive "high" in spending the money. It's another form of insanity.

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LMWC's avatar

I have always found that if you give any group, club, church, government especially, extra or surplus cash, they will find a way to spend it.

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TW's avatar

It's that 'use it or lose it' stress. I worked at a zoo in research, we had a zero based budget each year, and each year in Nov our lab manager was shopping for anything we could possibly spend it all on so the next year we wouldnt have a budget reduction. He said it reaked havoc on his personal finances since hed look for the more expensive options at work but then go home and be willy-nilly about grocery costs and stuff. Sometimes there was up to $70k he'd try to spend down. Never occured to him maybe we shouldnt get it...

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Patricia Woodard's avatar

It's the same in hospital budgeting!

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Beckett's avatar

Yes , that’s the inefficiency of the government. I am probably a drop in the bucket but I reported it to DOGE as one of the systems of waste. Yearly grants should be needs based and not fixed amounts. You spend what you need and the rest goes back if you overestimated. You need more money next year, you are not penalized and can receive it. It never made sense to me that the government couldn’t understand or deal with that yearly expenses on research will never be the same.

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Deb's avatar

I remember MANY years ago that is you did not spend your allocated budget that the next fiscal year you would be given less... this was from our very own government!

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Freebird's avatar

Exactly… Giving it back?! Unheard of!

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Trilby's avatar

Frantic meetings near the end of the fiscal-- "Come on, guys, we need to spend this fast!"

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

I lived that every October for all the time I was with the federal courts .

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Dr Linda's avatar

Scientific grants as well.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

In special education, there would be a rush to spend out the money before the next allocation.

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Peace's avatar

Not just special education. All of education "had" to spend out the money before the next allocation. Otherwise, the next allocation would be for less money than the current one.

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MJ's avatar

I think our Military budgets the same, the month of September(before fiscal Oct 1st) is Buy whether or not needed.

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Kathy's avatar

I think ā€œ spending other peopleā€˜s moneyā€ deserves an acronym: SOPM.

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KATHERINE JERNIGAN's avatar

Or OINK

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Tom's avatar

Squandering Quantities Unnaccountably Every End of Era

SQUEEE

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AM Schimberg's avatar

Or "sop 'em". I like. šŸ˜„

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Shari Ray's avatar

Thisā¬†ļø

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JW's avatar

I would love to play a game of Monopoly with Trump. I bet he would win every game hands down.

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Trilby's avatar

Reminds me of how I used to ask boyfriends to wrestle with me. I'd lose every time and loved it. Sorry--TMI!

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Dave aka Geezermann's avatar

TMI, lol.

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Olivia's avatar

Or Catan

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My Favorite Things's avatar

Ann,

I wish Florida would rebate its surplus to Floridians.

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MJ's avatar

Maybe in reduced or zero property taxšŸ¤”šŸ¤ž

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

Take it to a vote of the people. That’s what the Oregon did. They voted in a Refund to the people for any surpluses each year.

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I am not your Other's avatar

I’ve never seen a rebate in OR. When did it start? What’s it called? I’d sure like a rebate on my horrendous RE taxes.

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Sarah Bee's avatar

It’s absolutely astounding how money can change people for the worse.

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kittynana's avatar

@Sarah- I was talking to my MIL once about my father's and stepmother's things and how she'd never get in the way of anything we want whenver ever Dad died. She leaned over the table and said "Honey, death changes people." That resonated with me. Now, Dad died in 2001 and stepmother is now 97 and the best stepmother anyone in life could ever have. She has never denied us anything. I haven't wanted anything (scratch that. One thing and it mysteriously disappeared. Just a small statue my grandmother used to have in her house) but I'll tell you this: 2 of my 4 siblings have become monsters and stepmother isn't even dead yet. She has a book of requests from us kids and other family members. My one sister asked for a couple of small momentos, one brother hasn't asked for anything (he lives his life with his head buried in the sand), my husband recently asked her for Dad's turntable and some LP records of crooners from the 60s and 70s, I asked for nothing but she is giving me an opal bracelet because we share a birthday. The other two siblings? The one who lives in state has been clearing out the house for years, much of it my grandmother's things. I showed up once for a visit (NY to FL so it was obviously planned) and there were BOXES of Gramma's things on the kitchen table they were loading into their van. I mentioned it'd be nice if the rest of us could get a chance to see what's there. They hastily left for home. The other brother? You should see how thick my stepmother's notes are of what all he wants. He just filled up a POD from her house (she's had to move in with a family member 3 hours away from her home) and had it delivered to his place in the NE. Death (and money) most certainly DOES change people. Or does it simply bring out what was already there?

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Peace's avatar

A reliable source shared how one family member showed up with a truck during the funeral and cleared out possessions they wanted.

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kittynana's avatar

@Peace- that's intolerable

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Bgagnon's avatar

AnneR. Many years ago I worked for a county govt. At the end of the fiscal year if your dept had money left in its budget, you were urged to spend on anything - just spend it - all of it or you next years budget would be reduced by the amount you did not spend. It was then that I assumed all govt worked the same way.

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Roman S Shapoval's avatar

The best sovereign wealth fund we can create is with health, above all else.

Health is wealth.

Reduce toxic wireless radiation, pesticides, and eliminate vaccines.

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alongername's avatar

"Reduce toxic wireless radiation, pesticides, and eliminate vaccines."

and FREE DONUTS FOR EVERYONE !! haha (just kidding)

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william howard's avatar

and impose a mandatory audit procedure to stop this unconscionable abuse - $2 billion to Stacy Abrams for a newly formed environmental "start-up" with no track record - surely someone can be prosecuted and sent to jail for that

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Susan L.'s avatar

Likely traceable to Warnock and Ossoff….our two GA senators that had the runoff elections stolen for them to put them in their seats in 2020.

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RSgva's avatar

Yeah, are those Abrams payments on behalf of the cell tower 5G teams?

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micciot's avatar

THIS!!!!!!

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Kathy's avatar

Absolutely true!

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Bones's avatar

RFK gets me teary-eyed every time he speaks. This is a physicians dream come true if the physician believes in the Hippocratic oath

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

I have so many autoimmune issues.. very excited to see him in! Hope for the younger generations.

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Laura Kasner's avatar

Rosalind - something you might find interesting re autoimmune issues:

https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/how-dmso-treats-incurable-autoimmune

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Dr Linda's avatar

I have been using for about 4 years. I am so much better

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Peace's avatar

Dr. Linda - how have you used DMSO to gain such great improvements?

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Dena's avatar

Amandha Vollmer’s book ā€œHealing with DMSOā€ is worth reading on all the ways to use it.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

I just bought the Kindle version for $2.99 on Amazon

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Valerie's avatar

I love AMD! I don’t know if I’ve actually finished a single article yet, though, since they’re so long. But I keep going back to the ones on DMSO and the one on hypermobility. So interesting and well researched!

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Trilby's avatar

People take DMSO orally??? It's a strong solvent! I've rubbed it on my surface but can't imagine ingesting it.

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Ned B.'s avatar

You dilute it first, 1 or 2 tsp to a glass of water.

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Peace's avatar

How is the flavor of 1 or 2 tsp of dmso in a glass of water?!

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Ned B.'s avatar

It tastes like pulverized rubber bands, ugh. I just hold my nose and take big gulps.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Wow! Looking into this.

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alongername's avatar

Iodine supplementation is also worth reading about . https://www.lugolsnaturals.com/pages/iodine-101

In liquid form it is not expensive . (the pills are )

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JBell's avatar

I have recently started this and am finding no result, thus far (about 6 mos).

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Salt's avatar

I am praying for you right now dear friend. May The Lord Jesus Christ comfort you and hold you close in your pain. By His stripes we are healed.

God bless you.

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Patricia Woodard's avatar

I'm praying for you,too, Roseland.

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Fred's avatar

So sorry! Gardasil precipitated so many autoimmune diseases (not as many as the Covid shots, but still…) and I hope that shot gets canned too. The potential benefits are waaaay overstated.

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FlatEarthFlyer's avatar

I suspect ALL vaccines cause autoimmune diseases, especially when you consider the goal of a vaccine: to stimulate the immune system to attack a certain foreign invader. How do they know how much a given vaccine will stimulate any particular person’s immune system? Every body is different. They have no clue. Just as you and I probably have no clue what and how many dormant damaged genes our bodies harbor. For instance, the yellow fever vaccine is contraindicated for people who either have rheumatoid arthritis or have a family history of it. But how would you know definitively if you have a family history of it if no one in your generation or the previous generation or two had ever been diagnosed with it ? That’s what happened to me. Delta Airlines gave me an ultimatum: take the YF vaccine, or you won’t work for us. I had no family history of RA, but within 2 weeks my thumbs blew up like big red balloons, and over the next 4 years I lost all or most of the cartilage in numerous joints throughout my body, including hands, knees, hips, sacroiliac joints, and my entire spine.

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Peace's avatar

And, the vaxxes aren't dosed by body weight. Why would that be okay?

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Fred's avatar

If your mental state is solid, I’ll add that the full HepB shot is still given to premature newborns regardless of weight. The hospitals are paid based on % of newborns jabbed. That knowledge was almost enough to send me right off the deep end. They’re so fragile that there is plausible deniability. From 2016: ā€œLoss of confidence in vaccines following media reports of infant deaths after hepatitis B vaccination in China.ā€ Int J Epidemiol. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27174834/

These reports don’t get published in the USA.

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Fred's avatar

So sorry! You are right, of course! Just more familiar with Gardasil; daughter developed Raynaud’s shortly after the shots.

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FlatEarthFlyer's avatar

I’m so sorry for your daughter, and you! Gardasil is a nasty, nasty vaccine. šŸ˜– Have you ever seen any of the ā€œVaxxedā€ documentaries? I’ll never forget all the kids in Vaxxed II whose lives were completely ruined by Gardasil. Big Pharma bosses should be in PRISON.

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Fred's avatar

No I haven’t, but thanks for the suggestion. Although, maybe I should wait for more winning…my sanity was hanging on by a thread during the C debacle. Just kidding, but there were a whole lot of WTH moments. Waking up from the conventional medicine paradigm was indeed painful.

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Kathy's avatar

A lot of doctors don’t seem to believe in the hippo Democratic oath, but RFK does!!!

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Trilby's avatar

"First, do no harm." An oldie but a goody!

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FlatEarthFlyer's avatar

I’d much rather they take an oath to The Great Physician, Yeshua, whose name literally means ā€œYHWH is salvation,ā€ as opposed to a false god, Apollo, whose name literally means ā€œthe destroyer.ā€ Talk about playing around with Ouija boards… 😳

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

Has he announced any action yet? It seems that,, unlike the other leaders, he hasn’t come right out of the block with any big changes.

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Fred's avatar

Confirmed two genders. He will be walking a fine line, and I think that there’s a lot more ā€œbehind the scenesā€ strategy for this topic, in order to get the necessary buy-in from the populace. Lots of willfully blind folks out there!

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Johnny-O's avatar

A sovereign wealth fund is a good idea.....just not in the context in which Trump rolled it out - something to the effect of if the government buys a bunch of toxic and deadly vaccines for its people, we should get some of the cut!

States need to create their own banks. North Dakota is a constant example of how successful this is. Cut the head off the snake (leave the federal reserve) and the debt based slave system we are currently on and return to a gold standard.

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Cindi's avatar

A sovereign wealth fund might be a good idea but if run by the government will eventually be just more of the ā€œI’m from the government & i’m here to helpā€ disaster school. The current admin (& perhaps the next) will surely manage it brilliantly but what happens when the pendulum swings (& it always eventually does) or you get a squishier, less scrupulous MAGA in charge?

Isn’t that what happened w/ Social Security? Was supposed to be untouchable & simply garner massive profits for retirees. It wasn’t long before the funds were raided for more short term, politically expedient projects w/ IOUs left where the wealth used to be. Of course now we know the REAL reason or at least a co-reason it’s almost bankrupt: paying millions of dead people for DECADES.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Agree

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Peace's avatar

Perhaps any "surplus" could go directly to Social Security to replenish what has been raided. That way, taxpayers do benefit from the surplus (especially since it is/was money that came out of their income stream in the first place to be held for them until needed in retirement/disablement)

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Mom of 5's avatar

As happy as I am right now, I keep worrying about that darn pendulum.

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Kathy's avatar

Imagine the cut we should be getting from the $500 million that the government invested in the dangerous mRNA bird flu genetic injection.

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taxpayer's avatar

It'd be about $1.50 for each of us.

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KATHERINE JERNIGAN's avatar

A whole $1.25 each! X 330,000,000

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RunningLogic's avatar

Hey it’s better than letting the government have it! šŸ˜†

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Susan Clack's avatar

Aren't there a couple of states that have issued gold-backed "dollars" that are literally just that? They have a thin layer of gold imprinted on the bill. Heard about it on the QuiteFrankly Podcast a few years ago.

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Notyours's avatar

Yes - Utah, Nevada, New Hampshire, Wyoming, and South Dakota issue them.

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Sharon's avatar

They have added a few more states, can’t remember which ones at the moment. I have some from 3 states and they are very attractive - value has gone up nicely in the 4 years since purchase.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

My eldest son has been buying those. Would love to see one.

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Peace's avatar

So, does a gold-backed dollar cost a dollar to buy?!

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Does N. Dakota use the Valaurum?

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Cousin Clem's avatar

They are probably very busy over at Ft Knox painting wooden blocks (or lead blocks) gold to make the vault full again. I suspect that the real gold long ago left the building.

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Taiga Rohrer's avatar

Just as important if not more than the presence of the physical gold, is the paper trail of who actually owns it and how many times has the same block of gold been sold to different entities - not from buyer to buyer, but in the Brooklyn bridge type of way.

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Pat Wetzel's avatar

Calling Doge! And let's not forget looking into how "public servant" become so wealthy.

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alongername's avatar

I think it goes something like : " ok.... One for you, Five for me ...... One for you, FIve for me "

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Juliaah's avatar

Its probably on a time share with the Bank of England

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shayne's avatar

Good one!!!

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Gigi Gummerson's avatar

I totally agree! They’ve been guarding an empty building for decades IMHO

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Jpeach's avatar

I wonder how the media narrative will be if the Gold is Gone? ā€œTrump’s Heist, Elon Provides Coverā€ or ā€œPutin Took Itā€

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Debbie Wagner's avatar

Or maybe ā€œclimate changeā€ or ā€œracismā€. šŸ™„ (Caused by Trump’s policies, of course.)

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Kathy's avatar

I know that China bought a lot of gold in the last couple years. I sure hope that’s not where it went.

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Alan Devincentis's avatar

I was thinking the same. I’m sure there’s video.

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Susan Clack's avatar

I felt like a kid in school that found out there was an upcoming field trip...YES! Wouldn't it be awesome to load up a bunch of buses and join the DOGE bois at Ft Knox? My only problem would be that my dear old mother, an ultra-Dhimmicrat, would prolly refuse to sign my permission slip. 😫

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CStone's avatar

If the gold IS gone, isn’t that what backs the Federal (not Federal) Reserve (NOT a reserve) Bank ( NOT a bank) which would mean that the FRB AND the IRS would instantly be dissolved since those powers are supposedly backed by the gold?

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Didn't Nixon remove the link between the dollar and gold?

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

Yup. Every USD is backed by nothing except the full faith and credit of the US government. Let that sink in. Nothing = we have a fiat currency.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/federal-reserve-note.asp - though I take exception to the last statement in the video.

Money is a fiction. Another rabbit hole. Heck, our whole "reality" is a fiction, which many are now awakening to.

Some oligarch of the early 20c (even before we went off the gold standard) is at least rumored to have said something along the lines of: If Americans understood how finance really works there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning. All classes of "lessers" have been played for thousands of years. That might (might) be coming to an end, related closely or consequentially to the Trump administration. Buckle up.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Literal "gold-bricking." Wow

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Lon Guyland's avatar

ā€œWhat if those funds were invested and professionally managed for profit and revenue?ā€

Yeah, like Social Security and the Highway Trust Fund. Sounds like a great idea!

No. Nothing like that seems to be explicitly in the purview of the federal government. The money needs to be taken away from Washington. Far, far away.

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Michael Miller's avatar

How about stop taking our money in the first place? Then they wouldn’t be magnanimously giving it back to us. How about the money stays in peoples pocket. No aid to planned parenthood, Ukraine, etc, etc unless you or I write a check directly if we place such great belief in whatever cause? How about going back to the roots of gov only performing Constitutionally created acts?

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Based Florida Man's avatar

There's a great meme showing downtown NYC in 1912 with soaring skyscrapers and busy streets with commerce.

All done before the 1913 introduction of the federal income tax.

A federal income tax was unneeded then and is unneeded now.

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Peace's avatar

We need to remind anyone crying about loss of funding to USAID and others that they can certainly opt to send funds directly to these organizations to offset what the gov removes.

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Michael Miller's avatar

When gov quits stealing my $, I can expand my contributions..

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Gaslighted's avatar

Exactly. It's past the time to stop funding, aiding and abetting the destruction of our Constitutional Republic. And we want our money back from all of them.

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Jamison's avatar

Yes!!!

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

I want my Social Security money back first! I don't feel comfortable how they are messing with it now.

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Fred Jewett's avatar

Pay down the debt first. Maybe an initial rebate of $100 per taxpayer when they file to save paperwork cost. That initial rebate is a token to show what could happen with Trump's rebate program once the debt is under control.

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Catherine's avatar

Here is the problem with giving everyone $5000. Is it for taxpayers or everyone? If it's only going to taxpayers, you can be sure there will be plenty of people complaining that they didn't get a check. I think $5000 is too much. Maybe give taxpayers $1000 as an act of good faith but you will still hear the non-taxpayers complaining. I would prefer that the government keep it all and use it to pay down the debt. You need to reduce costs and expenses and show the American people that it can be done. Also, I don't want to hear all of the whiners who didn't get a check. You shouldn't get one if you don't pay taxes.

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Susan Clack's avatar

Yes, TAXPAYERS should be the recipients EXCLUSIVELY. My childhood friend up on Bainbridge Island (WA) who has lived in gubmint-subsidized housing for most of her adult life, drawing disability SSI because she is...too depressed? I dunno ...anyway, she sees Trump's administration as the 4th Reich. And of course, you know what that makes Trump...šŸ™„šŸ™„šŸ™„ BUT SHE SHOULD NEVER EVER get a rebate!!!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

I miss Bainbridge so much. Sigh

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Susan Clack's avatar

Apparently the Island is so popular now, the gridlock from the Ferry traffic is horrendous. Pave Paradise....put up a parking lot. 😄

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robren72's avatar

I absolutely agree. I'm on SSI due to a medical disability, but by no means do I think that I am entitled to $5K of the taxpayers money. I'm just grateful that my small stipend doesn't get taxed. šŸ˜…

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Susan Clack's avatar

🄰 Not trying to bash anyone in your situation...but it galls me when my ultra lib pal continues to tell me the work the DOGE boys are doing is so wrong...but she has hardly ever held a job her whole life. 😢

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robren72's avatar

I didn't think you were bashing anyone at all! I'm with you, I think there are people on welfare and SSI that shouldn't be. For my part, I'd give anything to be able to work, I have an advanced degree that I'm too exhausted to use. Have been working with alternative health practitioners for over 10 years trying to get better (after the Allopathic doctors blew me off), but 50% better than bedridden still isn't enough to hold down even a part-time job, sadly. Obviously, I still feel guilty about having to be on the dole. But I'm grateful to have it, so I'm not a complete burden on my family.

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Susan Clack's avatar

Praying earnestly for your healing ...šŸ˜‡šŸ™šŸ¼šŸ•ŠļøšŸ™ŒšŸ¼

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Susan Seas's avatar

Musk tweeted that he never stated an amount. Just to clarify.

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Pat Wetzel's avatar

The reason they're floating this idea is to insure people keep paying their taxes in spite of the Doge findings. With more to come.

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Jamison's avatar

Also, wouldn’t giving all that money be inflationary?

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KATHERINE JERNIGAN's avatar

There are 330 million Americans! $1 each would be a third of a billion!

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G Harkness's avatar

Taxpayers, not Americans.

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Fred's avatar

Tax credits let people earn money by filing tax returns, even when they pay no taxes. Not sure that makes sense; they’re already surviving on our tax dollars.

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robren72's avatar

I'm not sure what you mean...if you don't pay any income taxes, you cannot file an income tax return. Please clarify what you mean by "not paying any taxes"?

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G Harkness's avatar

Of course you can. If anything was withheld and you don't "owe" it, you'll file a return to get that back. If you have very low income but you worked, you'll file to get Earned Income Credit.

Note I'm not endorsing this; just saying that's what happens.

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Fred's avatar

For 2021 you could get $3600 for each child under 6 or $3000 for a child between 6 and 17 even if you had no income, did not work, paid no social security taxes. Truth. Sorry, I didn’t realize that you now have to claim earned income. Idk when that changed.

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robren72's avatar

Wow, what State is that in? Here in Texas, you can only claim child tax credits IF you actually pay taxes. Welfare and non-taxable income do not count.

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Fred's avatar

I’m also not certain if it’s an offset on earned income, or a ā€œyou tried, here’s some money.ā€

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donzel w's avatar

Darn. We've got 5 kiddos (legal) and pictured a brand new van after that 35k hits our bank account.

Or another piece of property.

Or starting a business.

Or .... so much!

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JBell's avatar

ummmm.... your kiddos don't pay taxes.

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Fred's avatar

Per household, I think.

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Shari Ray's avatar

taxed of course!

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daverkb's avatar

Bad idea and with the look of buying the people's favor. And really, displays a bad opinion of the people's moral fiber on the part of the government.

Pay down the debt, and restructure. Thanks Catherine.

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Gaslighted's avatar

Key terms: American taxpayers.

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Jpeach's avatar

A $5000 tax credit may make more sense. $5000 in cash to every taxpayer would send inflation soaring. Plus the credit would target those who overpaid their taxes.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Better yet. Abolish the irs!

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Gosh, with a Flat Tax, we wouldn't need an IRS.

Make it so!

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Pat Wetzel's avatar

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Alan Devincentis's avatar

No, sorry. Lit the savings pile up, when you can total the trillions collecting by the Feds this year in taxes, eliminate the irs, and federal income tax. Done.

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Bmused2's avatar

I say how about no rebate, no check, and just do away with income tax.

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Gaslighted's avatar

I say do away with the IRS and give us our stolen money back.

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Valerie's avatar

IMHO, the federal govt giving everyone $5k is a terrible idea and will just raise inflation even further. Plus, You know they would give it to people who didn’t pay taxes.

Personally, I think everyone who paid actual taxes the last 5 years should get a $5k tax deduction for the next 5 (20?) years. Don’t give it to the deadbeats, that would just add insult to injury.

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

AcCording to people like Edward Doud, the economy will take a hit by Trumps many corrective actions. So Trumps idea would actually help to keep the economy stimulated.

ā€œ Whatever the final number is remember while it’s fraud and we need to stop it of course….a lot of that fraud recycles into the economy as consumption.

Everything @DOGE discovers and shuts down will have a short term effect on GDP. Reducing government expenditures has an immediate impact on GDP before Trump’s other initiatives can take hold.

IMHO they are not doing a good job of signaling this and will be blamed for the valley in economic growth.ā€

Edward Dowd on X

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Gaslighted's avatar

No. We seize the assets of these criminals, liquidate them, and again split the proceeds. Refunds weekly for the next 20 years to all American taxpayers.

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Joe Karlovich's avatar

I’m cautiously excited about the wealth fund.

It will only be as good as the people running it. And when Democrats take over again, you know the fraud and corruption that reeks out of them will infect this fund. I don’t see how you can protect that money from greedy politicians.

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Dawn's avatar

I would be more excited about doing away with these income/property taxes. The gov't has had how many years to manage our social security monies and look how well that went for the people whose money is in that fund.

So this wealth fund would be what?? Social Security 2.0? I can take care of my own money, health and what I eat very well on my own thank you.

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Juliaah's avatar

I think its a Trump herring, get everyone talking about it, realise how it could be abused, then bring in tax changes without opposition

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Dawn's avatar

Maybe. It just gripes me to see how much money has been stolen from hard-working American citizens and used for illegals and bureaucrats. The Boston Tea Party was about less taxation than what we suffer now! The rich get richer and the rest of us work harder and learn to do without.

Taxes are basically un-American. All this is making it really hard for me to want to get my taxes done this year and then pay in more to Uncle Sam!

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donzel w's avatar

I hope. Property and income, first to gooooooooo!

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Trilby's avatar

Property taxes go to the locality the property is located in, to pay for local services, so I don't see them going away.

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Lorita's avatar

Local and state property and income taxes are just mini cash cows in Oregon.

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LMWC's avatar

I agree.

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Principled Pragmatist's avatar

Our job is to make sure the Dems never return again. If we can be super successful over the next 4 years and fix our voting systems to prevent all the fraud, they won’t be able to return.

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LMWC's avatar

Then you’d be thinking the Republicans in DC are any better. They’re not. Right now the right people are in, and they have given us breathing room. But we need to get rid of as much governmental control, (that includes money), as possible. Then clean house in the GOP as well as the Democrats.

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Cowgirl Dee's avatar

It’s not the dems I worry about ā€˜ā€˜its the deep state ā€œspiritā€ that I fear. It operates in both parties.

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TW's avatar

What about if the govt just opened an actual account for each citizen at their birth? Put $10000 in it (or whatever amount) and then it's the individuals to do with as they see fit. It could be used for anything, education, retirement, property.. And its out of the govt's hands. Dems cant steal it like they have w SS.

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SB's avatar

Could surplus from one year be used to cut taxes the next. Maybe for every $5000 you pay in federal tax you get $100 rebate or such? IDK but I suspect the faster the money is removed from government hands and given to. Citizens, the better. Just like SSA, if we were allowed to invest that money ourselves, I suspect at least 30-40% of us would be better off.

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Conservative Contrarian's avatar

It hit me yesterday, it seems I've been wrong in my estimations of the leaders of the EU & European countries. For the last couple of years as we witnessed what appeared to be their incompetence and malfeasance I concluded they were buffoons and criminals, but I now see the brilliance of their actions.

They have realized for years Russian President Putin has his eyes on Europe, waiting for the right time to invade. So to create their own defenses, with much assistance from US leaders, Europe has been transformed from a stable, attractive place, into a basket-case overrun with wimpy men, manly (sort-of) women and millions of third world escapees.

What a clever way of making sure Putin loses all interest in invading Europe, who would want it now? All this time I thought they were idiots.

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KATHERINE JERNIGAN's avatar

No. That just makes the takeover easy. Then use Soviet tactics to control the pansies.

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daverkb's avatar

The EU leaders are grifting sacks of doo-doo who are self-indulgent, narcissistic, low information, functionally atheistic and morally bankrupt. And they actually believe the Woke Marxist crap which they continually spout. Whether this was so as to what they believe, or not ... I had long wondered about. But it is true, and this is why they the EU clown leaders where so dismayed by what they heard come out of J. D. Vance's mouth during the MSE event. And they, the EU 'leaders' at that event, were like first or second graders finding out for the first time, horrors of horrors, that there is no Santa Clause.

It is an absurdity to think that Russia would want to invade Europe and have to deal with all the problems of a sinking, bankrupt and totally Woke civilization. Someone who thinks a Russian invasion of Europe is possible does not know Russian culture and history.

On they contrary, the Iron Curtain/Warsaw countries would have never have happened except Germany made the colossal Napoleonic Mistake of invading Russian territory in 1941. Russia with some 12 or 13 time zones has enough on its hands to run and keep safe from the predators as it is. Putin and the Russian leaders well-know this.

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Conservative Contrarian's avatar

I agree with everything except the Marxist point. Marxist are ideologues, the EU people worship themselves. They think they are responsible for the power they have been allowed to wield. However they have over played their hand and the wolf is on their trail.

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daverkb's avatar

Well then, we differ.

I say that most of the Western policy assumptions are Marxist standard practice and have been for a long time. All of the Agenda 21/30 stuff is based on the assumption of 'the collective' with the 'dictatorship of the proletarian' (the ruler class) in charge. And it has basically been a one party (all but in name only) rule. It was so in the United States, and such realization give birth to the name 'the Uni-Party'. Only in the United States, Trump upset the apple cart of political conformity.

You say that it just about 'them' the ruling class. But I also say that every system has it organizing principles. You say they rule out of worship of themselves (true). But I further add that they have to have 'a story' to sell the people, and that the story is based upon ideological fairy tales. I say, for just one example, that identity politic is pure Marxism (Mao-ism, and the Soviets had their version). And I further say I could expand this line of thought many time over.

So, I a lot agree with you, but go further. You say is true, but there is more to the story.

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Politico Phil's avatar

I have a question. At least since WWII (and certainly since JFK's assassination), the US has been ruled by "professional (lifetime) politicians and professional bureaucrats". Apparently this is true of all of the West. So how is it that the USG has been taken over by a bunch of outsiders with Trump the chief outsider? The scope of this bloodless "coup", for lack of a better word, is breathtaking.

My mind told me something was up when Vance was picked as the VP. What - not a political insider??? What's going on here. And it was all up hill from there right up to yesterday when Patel was voted for FBI Director BY MCCONNELL! Seriously? This isn't a revolution. This is a complete rout of the entire political organization of America. LITERALLY... the USG Executive Branch is entirely in the hands of political outsiders who aren't even politicians or bureaucrats. They are all "ordinary" working class, successful Americans.

And now I see their sights being turned on the international geo-political order which may be the primary purpose for their existence to begin with... at least in terms of the unstated power that is backing Trump behind the scenes. Americans will benefit from this simply by way of circumstance. But I can't get over the massive scope of this coup that is routing the powers that have ruled the West for the last 500 years. I'm gonna need a LOT more popcorn!

It appears (and I use that word advisedly) to me that there is a revolt inside the international order against the Apex Money Elite as represented by the British Crown/City of London, the Rothschild family/BIS and the Vatican. Even the current Pope (who is a walking obscenity) appears to be on his death bed and will have to be replaced. It further appears that there is going to be a complete geo-political realignment where the US becomes a friendly trading partner with the BRICS as lead by Russia. Heck - the US may join the BRICS as one big free-trade zone. Could this be the ultimate purpose of the threats of massive tariffs? To achieve the exact opposite effect? The same strategy is working domestically to achieve the MAGA goals.

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daverkb's avatar

Man is always ruled by a ruling class of some description or another. That is axiomatic. Even the American Independence movement, based in Calvinistic Christianity from the Reformation, was organized by and run by the Colonial elite, and not by back-woods frontiersmen, lowly farmers and tradesmen.

And also, things have an organic life of their own, even growing mass discontent.

Trump has a background, especially if one looks at the family history. He may not have been in with the elite party of Great Destroyers, but he was 'of class' all along. And people at the upper level are always in association with other upper-level types. And out of associations, conversations, business connectivity ... 'understanding' organically evolve.

This Trump thing is not just Trump and the outward forms, outward figures of Trump-ism. The landscape on this has been evolving ever since 1992. 911 was probably a tripwire which pushed 'understanding' along in a significant way. But so was 2008/2009 and all the events surrounding Covid Fake-demic. The final straws were somewhat Afganistan, but more so the Ukraine and the weaponization of everything including SWIFT (international payments system in USD).

So, the simple answer is that things happen once the smarter upper part of the ruling elites comes to feel threatened existentially in the wallets and their physical lives by the terrorism of the Legion of the Dummies. And in the Collective West, the clown dummies were the insane Woke ruling class, the exact people like to whom Vance spoke out his Munich speech.

It just gets to a point where the smart ruling elite can't take it any more, and they get together and do something radical themselves, like launch a counter-revolution to oust the insanity, the terror, the total dysfunctional system. In my lifetime, and before 2025, my best example is the Beria Moment when Marshall Zhukov marched his soldiers into a Politburo and arrested Beria. And then things were okay for awhile until Putin had to restore order again and save Russia from taking the Federation over from subversion from within.

One cannot entirely get to how this all works by reason alone. And that is because life is organic and has a life of its own. Put another way, life is like a giant Symphony, complete with its movements, themes, cadences and phrasing. And things within things.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Well, that went a long way to bring everything into focus! Especially, "It just gets to a point where the smart ruling elite can't take it any more, and they get together and do something radical themselves..." That seems to be confirmed.

I'm just guessing of course, but it does seem to me that the counter-revolution is going to take their assault all the way to the Apex money elite. It will be interesting to see what that results in as I described.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Don' throw me in that briar patch, B'rer Rabbit. PLEASE

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Politico Phil's avatar

LOL

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Gaslighted's avatar

Russia has no reason to "invade" Europe, except when there are hostile forces massing on its borders. It's stupid to believe. The communists wanted to spread communism as a dogma of marxist-leninist orthodoxy and ideas or plans for invasions were to establish the "proletariat of the masses" which was an inevitable outcome of history according to the marxist-leninists. Russia no longer has that religion and hasn't for the last 30 years. Yet, Russia is a boogeyman that "justifies" trillions of dollars to be ostensibly used for "defense" but which is grifted. That gravy train is very important. Now, these cretins are screaming and crying, literally, because they are getting cut off. How oxymoronic it is to declare that they need to fear the boogeyman Russians invading while these same liars and grifters allow the unchecked actual and very real invasion of their countries by third world leeches that hate them. Finally, history shows how Europe (France, Germany, US and Britain) fairs when they invade Russia: graves of those failed efforts over the last 200 years are still being unearthed.

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Conservative Contrarian's avatar

They cling to their ability to frighten the easily frightened. The boy who cried wolf was eventually eaten by the wolf, their line is starting to fall on deaf ears; and Trump is the wolf!

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Roger Beal's avatar

A live-streamed tour of the Fort Knox gold vaults, eh?

Another name for this might be, Geraldo Visits Al Capone's Tomb Redux.

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Cathy's avatar

Love the concept, but I don’t think it will EVER happen.

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AM Schimberg's avatar

I thought the same thing! It will similarly be empty.

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M. Patrick McCrary's avatar

Hawaii loves Alaska's dividend because a lot of Alaskans finance their annual winter pilgrimage there through the program.

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JC in Ak's avatar

Haha. Alaskan here. So truešŸ˜†

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Elle Michelle's avatar

This ā€œdividendā€ sounds a lot like the setup for a UBI. Why not just tax people less and let us keep more of our money from the outset? Spend that ā€œdividendā€ running what the government actually needs to run. If we keep our money from the outset, the government can’t attach strings.

And no one’s talking about it, but this administration seems to be doing that a lot. Exhibit A: Tennessee’s recent ā€œschool choiceā€ decision.

Truly, ask any long time home school mom how she feels about the ā€œschool choiceā€ and ā€œvoucherā€ nonsense Trump just helped push through in TN and has *vowed to take national* and she will tell you it’s a bait and switch… what the government funds the government runs. I would rather eat my property tax than get it back with strings attached (ie ā€œmandatoryā€ curriculum filled with SEL and testing requirements that test a child’s ability to parrot, not to learn). We want the government to stay out of our lives, not control more and more of it. As an aside, we’re a retired military family. We really do know what it means to have the government control your paycheck and your pension and it’s not all butterflies and ice cream cones. Y’all, please be cautious about this. šŸ™Take the wins, but eyes wide open.

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Mini-mum's avatar

As a ā€œretiredā€ homeschool mom (my kiddos are grown and married) I agree wholeheartedly with your concerns. Keep the government out of our homes. To those who don’t homeschool, it sounds so great - ā€œOh look, you’ll get money back ! Isn’t that great!ā€ No, it’s not great, it’s a Trojan horse. I wanted my children to be curious, to know that Truth is real, and grow up to be adults who ask questions. That would not be impossible if they were sent to a public institution, but it would’ve been a highly unlikely outcome.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I’d rather not have to pay it than ā€œget it back.ā€ I hate how it’s always framed as ā€œgovernment moneyā€ when the government has no money—it’s all from taxpayers.

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Peace's avatar

Very logical, RunningLogic!

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LMWC's avatar

I have heard this from several home school families.

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Roger Beal's avatar

"Spirit of The Injunction" ....

Who ya gonna call?!

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Carol M.'s avatar

šŸ‘»šŸ˜Ž

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AM Schimberg's avatar

Lol

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Bill Campbell's avatar

"Speaking as a litigator, try as hard as you like, but it is literally impossible to ā€œdefyā€ the ā€œspiritā€ of an order—because a court doesn’t issue a ā€œspirit.ā€ It issues orders. Not spirits. Parties aren’t required to hold sĆ©ances asking spirits what the judge really meant. ā€˜Spirit of the Injunction, speak to us!’"

Oh Jeff, I can't even finish the rest of today's column because I am laughing so hard I can't see through my tears. Please stop being so darn sarcastically funny!! (Just kidding--keep it up).

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RunningLogic's avatar

Right??? šŸ¤£šŸ˜† It’s such a treat to read every morning! 😁

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Dr Linda's avatar

His imagery is spectacular as well.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I’m planning on using his similes and metaphors as examples when we study those in homeschool English class 😁

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

If you haven't covered alliteration yet, there is a veritable armory full in Jeff's writing. If you'll allow me, I'd like to articulate my appreciation and admiration for this honorable mention (at least) from Jeff's article yesterday: "Now their credibility is cracked, their legal strategy is lifeless, their narrative is nullified, and they’re clueless about who to chase next." https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/pharmakeia-wednesday-february-19

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RunningLogic's avatar

Very true, he is also a master of alliteration!

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Bill Campbell's avatar

couldn't think of better examples!

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