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Jon Swenson's avatar

“First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.”

Martin Niemoeller

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FourWinds's avatar

If the scamdemic has shown us nothing else, it has shown the number of people willing to stand their ground. Some of us stood at the beginning. More came along shortly after, and many more came even later. Some just started standing up. Better late than never.

And for "standing up", I'm not just talking about the virus nonsense. It's also willingness to stand against ideologies and narratives that a person finds repulsive or just flat out wrong, such as gender mutilation of children, grooming, the push towards normalizing pedophilia, a corrupt government on all levels - state, local and federal, everything being "racist" or "homophobic" when it's really not, attacks on religion and spirituality, woke nonsense, teachers who groom, corrupt and bought school boards, colleges that promote socialism/communism, morons believing that guns and not people kill, illegals everywhere and open borders, and calling out those who lie over and over and over - the media, the alphabet agencies of the government, and those who SHOULD be decent human beings but instead lie for their own gain.

I refuse to shut my mouth. That may end my life sooner than nature would have intended, but I won't have one single shred of respect for myself if I don't speak up. The more of us that speak, the better. "They" would have you believe the majority in this country are supporting their agenda. They were and are wrong.

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NAB's avatar

Finally read the Rod Dreher book, "Live Not by Lies." It was convicting. I am done living by lies. Let's go.

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Intents Of The heart's avatar

I encourage everyone to invite likeminded people over and start a book club reading Live Not By Lies. Then decide what skills and resources each of you possesses and begin building social capital. From there read biographies of others who have been in difficult times and you'll be encouraged by how they survived, not to mention gain the mental and spiritual strength of one day you find yourself in prison what a travesty those Jan 6th protesters sitting in solitary for nothing!

If it could happen to them, it can happen to any of us. Watch this RESTRICT Act carefully. It may be from that they are distracting us.

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Raptor's avatar

Yes, the Restrict Act proposed by Mark Warner not Josh Hawley. Reason Mag published an article on it in relation to VPN's, but it is worth a read so you can get a flavor of the scarily boundless reach it would have and how they would happily use it against the people they actually hate... and it ain't the Chinese.

https://reason.com/2023/03/29/could-the-restrict-act-criminalize-the-use-of-vpns/

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Daily Growler's avatar

Suggestions for how to find "likeminded people" after we've tried talking with friends and acquaintances and found little willingness to peek outside official narratives?

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Raptor's avatar

Sometimes you have to lay out your own thoughts with someone you suspect may share your views (like if you hear them say masks have been and always will be BS). Or just chat and share pieces and see how close you are. You needn't agree 100% (like here - talking to you Horsey! - still like you - you foolish lover of Ukraine government). My husband inserts facts when people are talking nonsense (actual provable facts, not sciency religious cuts stuff) and eventually someone decided to talk to him (about not taking another jab). The other guy gave my husband a book to read and husband passed one to him and passed the other guy's book to another friend... soon enough a quasi book club began and the men talk about the books and other stuff while resting between or after games. Other men listen. Nice.

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redpilled69's avatar

Or not even share pieces... be neutral in telling a story that happened to someone you. For example, someone you know that went to the hospital with myocarditis 3 days after the jab... or someone you talked to that said they think Remdesiver killed their dad in the hospital. Watch the reaction. I've begun a network of people who believe in medical freedom. When you meet one, ask if they know anyone else that thinks that way.

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Raptor's avatar

My MIL died after getting Remdesivir. The only problem with relating stories of medical problems including death is that people get their backs up about it. Like you are severely insulting truth. When it is someone you loved that died, it can devolve pretty quickly. Trust me. But if you can talk plainly about facts and about a case you know well where the person was injured or died, it is easier to not lose it. I talk about my friend's daughter who miscarried after getting jabbed then I talk about a few tidbits I've picked up from Igor Chudov and Bad Cattitude and how we have never given an experimental drug or vaccine to pregnant and lactating women before. Why now. That is during conversations with vaccine defenders. Regular people I want to get to know - I keep it general - not just about jabs. Feel them out.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I checked this out - I see it is based in FL--so I guess that's "out". We have a local freedom group in PA that now has chapters in 26 or our counties (there are 67 counties in total--so we have a lot of work to do). I appreciate the focus and they do encourage action as well as prayer and protesting--but nothing fanatical. All according to Scripture. Our Lancaster chapter director as been away in the UK with her hubby--hope she will be returning soon--we miss her fiery focus - LOL!

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Joanie Higgs's avatar

They're all around. Just ask your Higher Power to link them up with you, be willing to speak your mind to everyone you meet, and you'll find them! Most of us have given up on family and even long-standing friends.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

I have this same problem. I know no one around me who is really like minded. Still trying to find friends for my kid.

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Joanie Higgs's avatar

That would be tougher, to find friends for your kid. But for you, is there no visible local protest group, that you could enjoin in its projects? Most of us have become activists in one way or another.

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Sharri Godard's avatar

I don't know where you live but my husband and I along with several friends joined CCDF (County Citizens Defending Freedom) in Jacksonville, FL. They are a nationally formed group that has chapters in several state/counties. You could check their website to see if there is one where you live. CCDF's philosophy is to start making changes in your local government and schoolboard and they give action orders to start making changes.

https://ccdfusa.com/

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Frontera Lupita's avatar

I don’t know where you live, but through other ‘freedom loving’ groups you might find some new ‘friends’ that think like you do. I live in So CA and we have a great group of people we have put together. I also found a whole new set of friends on some groups I found on Facebook. You don’t need a lot, start small and grow!

Children’s Health Defense has a number of State Chapters that you can join. If that’s not your ‘cup of tea’ you can use the ‘comments’ here on Substack to put it out there that you are looking for some like minded people to meet up with in your area.

I ‘met’ someone on another Substack post this past summer. I could tell there was ‘something’ there, so shared my email for 5 minutes then deleted it, and he responded. We are now ‘dating’, though he lives in Idaho and I live in SoCA and it’s not exactly as they say ‘geographically desirable’, we’ve made it work out over the past 10 months! And he’s not a criminal or a serial psycho! Just an unvaxxed, age appropriate, freedom loving, person...like me. (I ‘checked’ him out before we met in person, last August.)

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Your long distance love must be very, very special - I applaud your daring spirit.

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Raptor's avatar

I was telling my husband about your comment. He said while he was standing in the UPS store he struck up a convo with a man new to the area from CA. By the time they got to the counter they had discussed masking, ivermectin, brave doctors, guns, freedom, the deluded and were bolstered to know each other are out there. That guy was from SoCal. The awake exist everywhere. Get out there and find your peoples Growler! IRL people - you have your onliners. : )

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Patrish's avatar

Join https://corac.co/

CORAC

It is a National group committed to rebuilding our nation through a Christian perspective. Open to all who share the core belief in Faith, Family, Freedom.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I know--I have only ONE FRIEND who thinks as I do - my family and most other acquaintances and friends think "this is just the way things roll"--they don't really understand WHAT IS AT STAKE!

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Frontera Lupita's avatar

I’m so grateful because none of my immediate family members; a brother, his wife, their two adult daughters and their husbands, their two baby daughters, my twin brother and our Mom (who passed away in 2021) got any of The Jabs. Neither did my ‘partner’ nor any of his adult children and their kids! So I have been fortunate to have a large group of family that didn’t get the Jabs. Also I have large group of 20 plus medical/personal freedom ‘friends’, that we meet every month and none of them got the Jabs. I know I am an anomaly compared to most people.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

SO HAPPY for you - and YES...your situation is truly unique in today's "brainwashed" world. STAY FREE AND PUSH BACK, Frontera.

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

Attend some GOP events, talk to people there. Our county has an election integrity speaker coming to town and we invited the two adjoining counties to join us. We had movie nights Fridays during the winter and showed documentaries about current issues. We put together an Options for Education Symposium and book fair that is coming up for parents who are looking for school alternatives. We hosted a 6-week Biblical Citizenship class, and were successful in getting two churches to do the same.

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Raptor's avatar

Gettin' it DONE Kathy! How great is your town's conservatives and your Christian church! Lucky ducky.

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

I'm surrounded by people like that. It's lonely existence but worth it.

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Raptor's avatar

I am too and I live in a relatively Conservative area. But they love them some jabs so... I have been sent to the forest... kicked outside the wall.

Who could not love a person named Leskunque? It would be impossible not to smile. I did.

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Jan Dickmeyer's avatar

I can be your Leskunque 2 . Same experience with vaccination fascination.

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Karmy's avatar

Check out CORAC.co. An international grassroots organization that stands for Faith, Family and Freedom. https://corac.co/

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

WOW--what a WONDERFUL resource - I am checking out their Sustainable Living section. MANY THANKS, Karmy!!

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

A regional approach to connecting and prep, I love it. I was looking at one Region's Communication setup using Signal. I see it is of Catholic perspective, how great is that.

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Karmy's avatar

There are regional and national groups on Signal for Health & Wellness, Sustainable Living, Communications and Prayer too. I have learned so much from so many people it is an amazing resource.

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

That's great. I'm interested in the Communications. Can a person just search for a group and join? I assumed they'd be private.

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Karmy's avatar

You have to be a member of CORAC to receive an invitation to join the group. It's free, what do you have to lose?

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Amuzed_Traveler's avatar

It WILL happen to each of us. The time for changing minds is long passed. This is about SURVIVAL now. Will we not, finally, stand and fight to preserve Liberty for future generations?

“The roots of the Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the BLOOD of Patriots and Tyrants. It is its natural manure.”

The tyrants are in control of every root and branch of every institution and have weaponized them against the Freedom of the People. And are succeeding in their quest to subjugate the planet.

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

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RunningLogic's avatar

“We didn’t love freedom enough…”

This. And our Founding Fathers, together with the “regular” people who supported their vision and their cause, truly did.

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John Cougar Misanthrope's avatar

Rod Dreher is a great writer and one of the reasons I still clung to my American Conservative subscription although its total readership now is probably about 5,000 people. It was a shame Dreher left TAC early this month.

Live Not By Lies was one of the first books I read in my dealing with dystopia quest, followed by Glenn Greenwald's No Place to Hide, Matt Taibbi's Hate, Inc., along with Camus, Orwell, Huxley and writers in that vein. I highly recommend it.

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Natalie's avatar

Dreher's book The Benedict Option is also good. After reading it, I realized my family had done most of the things he recommended. It's not about running away and hiding; it's about being in the world but not of the world.

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John Cougar Misanthrope's avatar

Dreher's book, How Dante Can Save Your Life, is also good.

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NAB's avatar

Next on my list!

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Natalie's avatar

Rod Dreher put together a study guide for Live Not By Lies. You can probably find it online.

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NAB's avatar

Oh, good to know. Thanks for this.

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Cynthia Ford's avatar

That's such a good idea! Or even fiction. I just finished The Revolution of Marina M. which is, admittedly, ChickLit on one level, but literary on another, and as one identifies with the young protagonist in Russia, during the Revolution, who has such youthful idealism, one experiences what she learns about revolution, human behavior, idealism, and how she survives, while learning the history of the Russian Revolution.(It has some pretty erotic episodes, should anyone want to avoid that) Since the first hominins began grunting and singing and drawing with sticks in the sands of the savannah, we have told stories. Neil Oliver is also great on this, going back and finding patterns in history which our ancestors survived. He got tarred idiotically with one of their now utterly repetitive and boring smears as "anti-semitic," but then, brilliantly, he interviewed the Holocaust survivor who made the film "Never Again is Now Global" which can be seen at Children's Health Defense.

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LS Woodruff's avatar

"We don't live by LIES" was our response when we would get harassed to put on a face diaper. Excellent book, thanks for mentioning!

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Raptor's avatar

Thank you for the book recommendation. I just bought it. We have a small book club of sorts in our neighborhood (we are all Christians). We don't get together, but we read something and pass it along and later informally discuss it.

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NAB's avatar

Raptor, I found the book very easy to read, yet filled with compelling stories of dissidents who lived under totalitarian regimes and what they did to preserve Truth. It is time very well-spent and not only convicts the reader, but also offers actual ways of living in these times.

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Raptor's avatar

I was telling my husband just now about the book and it called to mind the situation Bonhoeffer in then Germany. He is worth getting to know. He fits in well here in this discussion. If you are interested one book he wrote is The Cost of Discipleship. You needn't be a Christian to appreciate it.

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Natalie's avatar

That's an excellent book! Bonhoeffer, a Lutheran pastor, was a martyr--executed by the Nazis just before the prison camp was liberated.

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Raptor's avatar

And was one of the few that resisted the Nazification of his church. He protected his flock as well as he could under extreme pressure. 3 years ago plenty of Christians were huffing that that sort of thing wouldn't happen today.

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Natalie's avatar

Eric Metaxas just wrote a book about this: Letter to the American Church. Well worth reading as so many Christians nowadays are passive as our country is destroyed. There's an amazing story about a congregation that worshipped next to railroad tracks, and when the train cars passed by with Jews and prisoners screaming, the worshippers would just sing louder to drown out the screams. Chilling!

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NAB's avatar

Added to my list!

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Jon Swenson's avatar

The Emperor's New Clothes story has been playing out for the past several years.

Trump was one of the children who said the emperor was naked.

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Castelletto's avatar

Just one more tidbit to add to all this: The Christian school that monster shot up last week (and who deliberately hunted down the pastor's daughter, according to those who watched the body cam video) is Presbyterian. Trump was confirmed Presbyterian as a child.

Don't forget that there is a level to this war above the political.

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AngelaK's avatar

Daily Mail reported that the trans killer was in one on one therapy with the Pastor and set out to kill the pastor but killed the Pastor's precious child instead.

Rather than look for political underlying motives to this, I personally believe with firm convislction that this was a command from a demon. These killers all engage in dark and demonic material online, and demonic voices are real to those who entertain their underworld.

It is a common thread on all their online activity. Every time reported by Daily Mail but not MSM. Demonic possession is real. Read the autobiography of Son of Sam, the mass killer of the 1970s. He engaged in it all. He found the light, Christ, in prison.

Lord have mercy on us and the whole world. Lord have mercy and grant strength to the grieving. ✝️ 🙏 We live in dark times.

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FourWinds's avatar

Although I don't know whether possession is a real thing, I certainly am open to the possibility. That being said, that monster that killed those people is 100% responsible for their murders - it does not matter who told her to do what. I'm not sure about this and apologies if I have it wrong, but I believe there was something in the Bible about resist the devil and he will flee from you. If so, she had a choice to resist.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

I don’t think the one saying it was a command from demon was also saying she is not responsible. Just that its the origins. What prompted it. Least thats my view.

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Castelletto's avatar

What you say is true, to an extent, but the experts in demonology say that it is sometimes the case that people inadvertently open themselves up to possession and are quite innocent of the process. Robbie Mannheim, the actual boy upon whom the novel, The Exorcist, is based, apparently fell into possession because a beloved aunt got him involved with the Oujia board, and he tried to communicate with her after she died. That case is famous and written up extensively.

So, in this case, we have to consider the possibility that this woman was enticed into transgenderism by her misanthropy, the culture around her and, possibly, her leftist mother, after which it would have been a smooth slide to be opened up by demonic material and/or drugs, which are almost always involved in these kinds of tragedies. That would make her a victim herself in many ways, even though the initial cooperation with evil was a matter of her free will. The Devil has many things he can do to capture souls.

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FourWinds's avatar

It's possible. I'll be honest, though, I just can't look at her as any type of victim no matter what she went through. (I'm not suggesting you are defending her in any way.) I want people held responsible for their actions and make zero excuses for cold blooded murder. Sorry, this whole situation makes my blood boil.

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AngelaK's avatar

💯! I helieve her mother was a devout Christian. 😢

Most of the killers since Columbine have computers which show their involvement in occultic and satanic or demonic sites.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Simply, we have to leave it to God to sort that out.

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SusanMc's avatar

She definitely had a choice; we all do. But she put herself in satan’s territory (by music, books, associations, etc.) Once she did that I do believe she could’ve been listening to the prompts of satan. Demons are real; those who deny that fact delight him & his minions. Neither should be obsessed about them bc that elevates more than they should be.

Genuine Christians can’t be possessed by satan, but they can be oppressed by him.

I know devote Christians who have confronted demons in people & cast them out. Don’t overrate or underrate them.

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Politico Phil's avatar

No, any influence, demonic or otherwise, is NOT a defense.

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SusanMc's avatar

I read that too, but the source came forward & said he was mistaken. That preacher was not the counselor for this person. Someone else was

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CStone's avatar

I made a comment to someone yesterday that the pastor’s little girl was hunted down deliberately. I had no idea that the body cam of this demonic entity actually showed that fact. But I knew, in my knowing place, that she was the actual target.

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Castelletto's avatar

Apparently she was one of several.

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SusanMc's avatar

I was raised in a Presbyterian church; am not worried about Trump & his faith. I do think he’s still a baby Christian.

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Dianne Denson's avatar

Absolutely

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Northern Gardener's avatar

Speak up for morality and The Truth, for the ideals and God-given freedoms of all people possessing fundamental rights including liberty, free speech, freedom of religion, due process of law, and freedom of assembly, our Judeo-Christian values, for without them we are sunk. "Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer."

-Romans 12:12

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Raptor's avatar

I keep that verse on my fridge. Love.

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laura-ann Knox's avatar

Thank you. I really needed this dose of positivity today. Thank you

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

If we fail to STAND STRONG for our personal/medical freedoms, we will FALL for anything the evil potentates throw our way. PRAY FOR MERCY FROM OUR CREATOR GOD AND STAND STRONG.

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Jay Horton's avatar

"It's also willingness to stand against ideologies and narratives that a person finds repulsive or just flat out wrong" -that where you find out just what you are made of.

Later Jay

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Barbls's avatar

Meme I saw:

First, they came after the communists and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then, they came after the satanists and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a satanist.

Suddenly, things were much better so they stopped coming after people.

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SusanMc's avatar

Pastor Martin Niemöller:

First they came for the Communists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me

And there was no one left

To speak out for me

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Barbls's avatar

I hope the folks on this site haven't lost a sense of humor.

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Jon Swenson's avatar

Meme's are not real.

Socialists are.

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KarenQ's avatar

Memes spark ideas and the desire for further education thereby waking the Normies. Memes are very useful. And the left can’t Meme.

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Raptor's avatar

The satanists. Haha. Next they will say" they came after the pedophiles". Going after evil is not something to include as a warning AGAINST evil and its encroachment.

Not dissing you at all, just struck me as sort of funny. I do know the original quote and agree with its sentiment.

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Elaine Elias's avatar

Yes. This says it all. We must speak up and speak out about injustice because injustice will not go away on its own.Excellent song too.

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daiva's avatar

🗨 If I am not for myself, who will be for me? And being for myself, what am I? And if not now, when? ~~Hillel the Elder [at the junction of eras, BC and AD]

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

I’m reading Solzhenitsyn’s “The Gulag” and it is very evident that there was and continues to be one behavior that afflicts human beings. The persistent lack of resistance to evil.

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MaryAnn's avatar

Evil is disguised as good. If we saw evil as evil we would not succumb. Satan knows what he is doing.

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

Evil can be disguised as good as we've seen with the Plandemic. There is evil that is pure and simply evil. The evil indoctrination of our children. The evil depicted in a POTUS that took an oath to preserve and protect the country. God knows the outcome; the point is that WE must understand we have been given the good sense and instincts and should use them wisely.

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GG's avatar

What got me into Gulag was Jeff's mention of Witness by Whittaker Chambers. Chambers says people know things are not right, man is looking for answers, man looks around, sees the mess and decides the only thing that will fix it is to blow it up. That's why he and every communist he knew became communist. They're willing to die for their cause. Our government, schools, Hollywood, courts, etc., have all been overtaken with people who want our end. People who were committed to the end ran communist Russia and look at all the death and destruction that followed. We seem to have fallen down the same hole, only we're just at the beginning.

Chambers also says this struggle comes down to: is God God or is man god? And man has decided he's god. Resistance should start with some inward reflection and subsequent housecleaning. If we don't do that we're finished.

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

Agree. All of us from our early childhood were told we could do this, we could do that. Achieve, achieve. And when we did, we thought we did it on our own. What we have forgotten is that everything we have is because He gave it to us. He gave us wisdom and discernment; He gave us strength. We need to use it.

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GG's avatar

You should read Gulag Archipelago.

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Jon Swenson's avatar

I read One Day in the Life of Ivan D.

Not sure I'm up to Gulag.

Rand's Atlas Shrugged is good, condensed version would be better. (Eastern Euros like to write LONG books.)

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GG's avatar

I've read Atlas several times and have loved it. I'd go live in Galt's Gulch in a heartbeat.

Witness by Whittaker Chambers is more hopeful than Gulag. I feel like it really gives an explanation to how we got to such insanity. It also talks about the cure, which we desperately need.

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Chevrus's avatar

Sadly this remains untranslated...

https://archive.org/details/200YearsTogether

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norstadt's avatar

Still, there is some irony to President Lock'em All Up getting indicted.

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Jon Swenson's avatar

It's not irony.

It's corruption.

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daiva's avatar

Not mutually exclusive propositions: can cohabitate peacefully side by side just perfectly 😏

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Prof. Fred Nazar's avatar

The 2020 and 2022 rigged and stolen elections (it’s the machines!):

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-2020-american-coup

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/david-rockefeller-illuminati

J6: what THEY don't want YOU to know

The fake riot was mason-planned, incited and guided by FBI agents, who broke into the Capitol !!!

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/j6-what-you-need-to-know

Are we crazy to accept demo-crazy?

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/democracy-democrazy

It sucks! We need to improve democracy… how about REAL democracy?

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/reinventing-democracy

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