Perhaps I am ignorant, perhaps not, but I want nothing to do with EVs. I just went from OH to NJ, stopping no more than 15 minutes tops (each way) to put gas in the car. I got stuck in Philly traffic both ways and in snow on the way back. I could just imagine my EV dying on the freeway in the cold or downtown Philly, where there were peo…
Perhaps I am ignorant, perhaps not, but I want nothing to do with EVs. I just went from OH to NJ, stopping no more than 15 minutes tops (each way) to put gas in the car. I got stuck in Philly traffic both ways and in snow on the way back. I could just imagine my EV dying on the freeway in the cold or downtown Philly, where there were people going up to cars and knocking on windows. I ran a red light to get away from an aggressive person. Also, I don't want to add hours to my trip to charge the thing - 10 hours on the road is enough. I can also picture it dying on the road if I ever had to evacuate. I can carry a gas can in the car. I can't carry an EV charger.
Then there's the issue that I need electricity to charge it, the same electricity that is generated by the fossil fuels the left yells about, plus the mining and pollution YYR mentioned. Last summer, power companies in CA shut off power to people simply because the grid couldn't handle it, or so they say. The PUCO is Ohio is investigating why AEP chose to randomly shut off power to part of Columbus for days last summer in a heat wave. Most have smart meters (I don't) that can be turned off remotely and lunatics in government who would be crazy enough to turn off power of anyone who will not comply. How do you charge your car? Obviously this has not happened yet, but I've seen plenty of crap over the past three years I thought I never would. I believe Teslas can be turned off remotely. Any company that has the ability to do that is dangerous.
Both my cars are bought and paid for in full. Both work. I see no point in shelling out 60 grand for a new EV plus another 25 grand WHEN the battery dies in a few years. I can buy a lot of gas for 85 grand and a used gas car for a lot less than that.
Until someone makes an EV with the equivalent of an alternator that charges the battery as the car runs, until the price becomes reasonable, until mining for lithium becomes child-labor free, until there is a solid recycling plan, and until I am convinced no one can turn off the car remotely, this will be a solid pass from me.
You didn't say where in OH or NJ, but if I may provide an estimate based on a couple cities at the far edges of each state.
Cincinnati to Atlantic City is 630 miles
In seasonal March weather, Model 3 LR AWD, my preferred route planner estimates 58 minutes of charging over 4 charging stops (7, 12, 28, and 11 minutes).
Gas or electric I fully expect on a 630 mile drive to have 1hr of stopping minimum, and closer to 90 minutes actually..
"Remote shutoff" is actually impossible to prevent a user from disrupting.
Remove the modem and 'remote shutoff' becomes impossible. If its soldered in place so it couldn't be removed you'd need to cut the antenna, solder on a resister (dummy load) and then wrap it in foil for good measure.
Tesla's do not need a connection to operate, they only need it for convenience.
While I don't presently have a means to generate electricity at home, generating electricity at home is a whole lot easier than refining gasoline - which they of course plan to shut off.
If an EV could have an alternator that charged the battery as the car runs it would never need charging ever. That would be a perpetual motion machine which of course defies the laws of physics and so is impossible.
I appreciate the reply, but I have neither the expertise nor desire to modify things like antennas, etc. I am not capable nor comfortable messing around with things I can't afford to fix if I make a mistake. Mechanics is not my thing. The car should just have an "off" switch for tracking rather than someone messing with it just to get privacy. My old car has no GPS and no tracking and I like that.
I also don't have the means nor the money to generate electricity at home. Even if it existed, it's not feasible for many. Passing through Philly I noticed the unbelievably dense housing units and crowding. How would those who lived in those huge buildings generate their own power? They could not. And, I mentioned before, AEP randomly shut off power for days in a heat wave last summer in Columbus, Ohio. They're under investigation for it. I don't need to be stranded at home due to my power being off. I need to get to work reliably so I can continue to eat and live indoors.
The stoppage of refining oil means no petroleum products, which means no plastics. Right now the system is not in place to completely recycle and reuse all plastics, so for the short term, refined oil is here to stay. Virtually every industry depends on it in some way, including the medical industry. I'm not going to worry about not having gasoline. If we get to that point, I have a feeling there will be one hell of a mess on everyone's hands. No diesel means no food delivery, no medicine, no replacement parts/things to fix your home coming to a Home Depot, no nothing. How many of us are fully self sufficient? I'd say the Amish in northern Ohio come close, but the rest of us aren't.
Columbus to OCNJ, by the way.
I'm glad you're comfortable with EVs and can afford one. I'm not comfortable and see no rational reason whatsoever to spend an insane amount of money (read: go into debt for at least 60K) on something that will need a new battery in a few years (another 25K), especially when I own two fully paid for cars. Buying something I can't afford and don't need or want is is pure insanity, not to mention it means I would have terrible money handling skills. I'll still pass. Call me ignorant if you want, but at least I won't be in debt.
Perhaps I am ignorant, perhaps not, but I want nothing to do with EVs. I just went from OH to NJ, stopping no more than 15 minutes tops (each way) to put gas in the car. I got stuck in Philly traffic both ways and in snow on the way back. I could just imagine my EV dying on the freeway in the cold or downtown Philly, where there were people going up to cars and knocking on windows. I ran a red light to get away from an aggressive person. Also, I don't want to add hours to my trip to charge the thing - 10 hours on the road is enough. I can also picture it dying on the road if I ever had to evacuate. I can carry a gas can in the car. I can't carry an EV charger.
Then there's the issue that I need electricity to charge it, the same electricity that is generated by the fossil fuels the left yells about, plus the mining and pollution YYR mentioned. Last summer, power companies in CA shut off power to people simply because the grid couldn't handle it, or so they say. The PUCO is Ohio is investigating why AEP chose to randomly shut off power to part of Columbus for days last summer in a heat wave. Most have smart meters (I don't) that can be turned off remotely and lunatics in government who would be crazy enough to turn off power of anyone who will not comply. How do you charge your car? Obviously this has not happened yet, but I've seen plenty of crap over the past three years I thought I never would. I believe Teslas can be turned off remotely. Any company that has the ability to do that is dangerous.
Both my cars are bought and paid for in full. Both work. I see no point in shelling out 60 grand for a new EV plus another 25 grand WHEN the battery dies in a few years. I can buy a lot of gas for 85 grand and a used gas car for a lot less than that.
Until someone makes an EV with the equivalent of an alternator that charges the battery as the car runs, until the price becomes reasonable, until mining for lithium becomes child-labor free, until there is a solid recycling plan, and until I am convinced no one can turn off the car remotely, this will be a solid pass from me.
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You didn't say where in OH or NJ, but if I may provide an estimate based on a couple cities at the far edges of each state.
Cincinnati to Atlantic City is 630 miles
In seasonal March weather, Model 3 LR AWD, my preferred route planner estimates 58 minutes of charging over 4 charging stops (7, 12, 28, and 11 minutes).
Gas or electric I fully expect on a 630 mile drive to have 1hr of stopping minimum, and closer to 90 minutes actually..
"Remote shutoff" is actually impossible to prevent a user from disrupting.
Remove the modem and 'remote shutoff' becomes impossible. If its soldered in place so it couldn't be removed you'd need to cut the antenna, solder on a resister (dummy load) and then wrap it in foil for good measure.
Tesla's do not need a connection to operate, they only need it for convenience.
While I don't presently have a means to generate electricity at home, generating electricity at home is a whole lot easier than refining gasoline - which they of course plan to shut off.
If an EV could have an alternator that charged the battery as the car runs it would never need charging ever. That would be a perpetual motion machine which of course defies the laws of physics and so is impossible.
Last summer 2022 my x and his fiancé who live in the Bay Area were trying to charge their EV
But CA was doing their rolling black out routine and some of the grid just went down.
So they were stuck. Their a few miles out of town so no bus near by or Ubers.
I asked if they had some kind of powerful generator to possibly hook up to.
I had seen a meme last summer where someone had strapped a big generator to the back of their EV and drove around LA
In the end I believe they took a few days off and waited it out.
Not sure what happens to all those EV’s when CA shuts down each summer with those rolling blackouts
The lesson there is choose your domicile location wisely - don't live in a 3rd world state and expect to enjoy modern luxuries there
I appreciate the reply, but I have neither the expertise nor desire to modify things like antennas, etc. I am not capable nor comfortable messing around with things I can't afford to fix if I make a mistake. Mechanics is not my thing. The car should just have an "off" switch for tracking rather than someone messing with it just to get privacy. My old car has no GPS and no tracking and I like that.
I also don't have the means nor the money to generate electricity at home. Even if it existed, it's not feasible for many. Passing through Philly I noticed the unbelievably dense housing units and crowding. How would those who lived in those huge buildings generate their own power? They could not. And, I mentioned before, AEP randomly shut off power for days in a heat wave last summer in Columbus, Ohio. They're under investigation for it. I don't need to be stranded at home due to my power being off. I need to get to work reliably so I can continue to eat and live indoors.
The stoppage of refining oil means no petroleum products, which means no plastics. Right now the system is not in place to completely recycle and reuse all plastics, so for the short term, refined oil is here to stay. Virtually every industry depends on it in some way, including the medical industry. I'm not going to worry about not having gasoline. If we get to that point, I have a feeling there will be one hell of a mess on everyone's hands. No diesel means no food delivery, no medicine, no replacement parts/things to fix your home coming to a Home Depot, no nothing. How many of us are fully self sufficient? I'd say the Amish in northern Ohio come close, but the rest of us aren't.
Columbus to OCNJ, by the way.
I'm glad you're comfortable with EVs and can afford one. I'm not comfortable and see no rational reason whatsoever to spend an insane amount of money (read: go into debt for at least 60K) on something that will need a new battery in a few years (another 25K), especially when I own two fully paid for cars. Buying something I can't afford and don't need or want is is pure insanity, not to mention it means I would have terrible money handling skills. I'll still pass. Call me ignorant if you want, but at least I won't be in debt.
Why do you think it would need a new 25k battery in a few years?
See these are the kinds of myths I'm talking about.
It is expected that the packs in current generation gas replacement EVs will last 300-500k miles. Darn near like buying one car and getting two.