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Politico Phil's avatar

The NeoCon/Marxist tactic against the populist liberty movement represented by Trump and DeSantis is "divide and conquer." Anytime I see this happening, I have to assume they have been bought and paid for by the Dem Bolsheviks. They WILL find those supposedly within our ranks that they can use to cause division.

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AM's avatar

Yep, good point.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Some of us are definitely not okay with what is being done to President Trump. Outrage after outrage. Some of us remember how DeSantis would have lost to the crackhead pervert Andrew Gillum in 2018 if not for Trump’s last minute endorsement. Some of us remember how long the beaches were shut down in Florida. Some of us have watched how DeSantis joined in with the Karl Rove, Jeb and George Bush crowd in a takedown Trump effort. We noticed his disappearance and then weak response to the Mar-a-Lago raid. We see the real DeSantis, not the glowing image the media is projecting.

And we are pissed! Yes, we are pissed!

You might want to look into some of those trumpeted triumphs of DeSantis. The Disney story backfired, but you don’t know that if this is where you get all your news.

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goodnightrose's avatar

Yet you've conveniently forgotten Trump's admonishment of both Sweden for not locking down at all and Gov Kemp in Georgia for reopening "too soon"; spearheading OWS, the atrocious CARES Act and attributing 100 million lives saved to that beautiful vaccine he refuses to make any apology for.

"Some of us" are definitely not okay with any of that while also careful not to lionize DeSantis. We can all agree that what has been/is being done to Trump is beyond absurd but that shouldn't automatically earn him favor nor does it follow that he's learned lessons sufficient to make him competent for another term.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

I’m sure you remember all that from those terrible days of distress and confusion. And I’m sure you saw all the truth with great clarity immediately.

President Trump was trying to navigate something no other had ever been called upon to do. He was fighting continuous attacks from the left.

I think you’re reading from ‘takedown Trump talking points’.

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AM's avatar

Yes, of course he was - BUT SO WAS DESANTIS! That's the point. It's strange to me that people want to give all this grace to Trump but not DeSantis. Does that not seem like a double standard? Especially when DeSantis so clearly went against the narrative when it was still extremely tough to do so? He single-handedly gave cover to other governors in the US, and to other leaders in the western world.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Trump deserves no sympathy re lockdown/covid policies. Early March, the cruise ship that was infected showed a regular flu season death rate. We knew young people were not affected. The only conclusion for his policies are he is either in on it or he's a complete and total moron, either way, excludes him from being some great leader.

And, there is the Trump economy, which many simply believe was amazingly good, but when you actually look at the raw numbers, was the worse of any modern day president, shooting up the debt like a rocket ship. Read the link below:

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2023/04/david-stockman/lock-him-out/

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AM's avatar

Well stated.

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AM's avatar

Hey I've lived in Florida for over 20 years, and have seen plenty of governors. I remember what happened here with the beaches, though when I moved back to south Florida in July of 2020, our beach (which is right across from my house) was open. And they would never been closed in the first place BUT FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP AND FAUCI. Does President Trump deserve grace on that? If he does, and I would argue he does to some extent, then certainly Governor DeSantis does too. And DeSantis demonstrated an amazing ability to course-correct, unlike President Trump who to this day does not admit any fault with any of the actions he took for the pandemic. I'm sickened by what is happening to President Trump, but I still want someone who can actually do the job of the executive.

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My Favorite Things's avatar

Amen! I think DeSantis has done an outstanding job. I voted for Trump twice, but will vote for DeSantis. People always make excuses for Trump, like “he’s gotten bad advice or he’s politically naive.” Trump also never admits to any mistake. DeSantis owns up to his mistakes and takes corrective action.

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Mark Charpentier's avatar

DeSantis is owned by the Globalists - he will have NO CLUE how to deal with world events, China and so on .. If you want to understand DeSantis, read Sundance at the Conservative Treehouse. You'll be grateful and learn so much.

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My Favorite Things's avatar

Lol. Then Trump must be a first class globalist. Remember the summer of love and all the burning, looting and murders that happened on Trump’s watch? Didn’t happen here in Florida. Why? Because of our great governor. DeSantis even made it to where if protesters were blocking roads and threatening you, you have the right to run their sorry ass over with impunity.

Trump let Hillary & Biden slide on their crimes. DeSantis is purging the Soros bought and paid for prosecutors out of office. DeSantis served our country. Trump did not. DeSantis married for love and has a beautiful family. Trump married a trophy wife 30 years his junior and he’s cheated on all of his wives.

DeSantis has done more to protect the citizens of Florida than Trump has ever done for Americans.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Trump is a scumbag globalist who appointed a long string of swamp creatures to high office.

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AM's avatar

Great points Sarahanne. Wow. Said it much better than I did lol.

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AM's avatar

DeSantis either knows how to deal with them or he put on an AMAZING act during pandemic. He threw a major wrench in the WEF gears. Was it just dumb luck? And for all Trumps savvvy, did that help him beat the people who stole our freedom and the election from him? Like I’ve said a million times, voted for Trump twice and would vote for him again but wow. How do we know he won’t fall for the next act of the WEF? CBDC will be the new “solution” to the crisis the globalists have created.

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Carrie's avatar

DeSantis is a RINO.

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Politico Phil's avatar

The most neutral thing I can say is, Time will tell.

Let's face it. Anyone running for office is, knowingly or not, compromised to some degree. This is because the political system in the US is a Uniparty. The last Presidential candidate who was independent and threatened to expose it was assassinated by the CIA. Hello? Where are the prosecutions? There are no statue of limitations on such crimes! Why does the CIA still exist? You think subsequent Presidents did not know the truth? They were all on notice. When popularity propelled Reagan into the lead to be President, the NWO representative G. Ford met him in, I believe, Omaha. When Reagan came out of that private meeting, he dumped his cabinet team and replaced them with the Bush team, except for J. Watts and we all know how long he lasted. Reagan got the message. Let the Neocon Bush team control your administration or you'll never be able to accept the people's choice for Presidency. I knew this then as assuredly as I know it now.

Do I hold this against Reagan? No, he was the best we could get at the time. No one could articulate the principles of American liberty better than he did. Just listening to him was an education in American liberty and he connected to the American people because of this. And the Neoconservatives got everything they wanted under the cover of his rhetoric. What rankles me is that to this day the Neocons claim Reagan as their legacy when they never even understood his ideals of American liberty. Neocons are statists and have more in common with Bolsheviks than they do with the American people which goes a long way to explaining the current political order.

Interestingly, even then the Democrats were running their mouth claiming that if Reagan is elected there will be a race war. My point is this. Even on a practical level, our hope cannot be in any one man. We are part of a liberty movement, the same populist movement Reagan connected with. Our enemy is a political SYSTEM, the Uniparty, that serves a Neocon/NWO/Marxist agenda. They are now intent on destroying the American people and culture any way they can including through population dilution by uncontrolled immigration.

And they have told us why they are doing this now, ie, the Reset. They know the system is going to automatically reset because they have drained everything they can out of the American people to support their empire and this empire is on the verge of imploding. They are approaching that financial brick wall the Soviet Empire hit when they imploded. At some point, the center cannot hold. We can see all of this developing in the international scene right now as nation after nation sees "the writing on the wall" and abandons USG hegemony. Yes, this history is being written by Him. This is His-Story.

The NWO has one big problem which George Soros alluded to when he said that bringing America into the NWO is proving to be a very difficult nut to crack (or words to that effect). They have yet to subjugate the American people and consolidate their control of the US, something the Bolsheviks should have accomplished with Obama and then Hellary but - Oops - someone got in the way: DJT. So not only do they face opposition abroad but they also face the opposition of the liberty movement in America. In reality, what got in the way was the populist liberty movement. DJT was just the catalyst to allow us to focus.

We are analogous to the French resistance movement of German occupied France in WWII. We are going to face increasing attacks while at same time the NWO regime faces mounting opposition from the developing geopolitical block overseas. They must beat us to win. Those are the stakes. The NWO is going to raise a new Iron Curtain. Alex Krainer explains it best here:

"...This new iron curtain would most likely encompass the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and parts of continental Europe. But the block’s viability will depend on whether it can also include the United States which remains an extremely tough nut to crack. The uncontrolled migrations, attack on states’ rights, and the all-out assault of the Bill of Rights, including the periodic mass shootings, are all occult oligarchy’s attempts to crack it. It is all part of the total global war."

We are The Nut.

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Scott's avatar

Great comment. I only regret it is so detailed many will skip it. CIA killing Kennedy after he threatened them is an enormous boulder to hang over all future presidents. We all really wish Trump could have taken on the deep state, for real... sadly only collapse seems like it will have a chance.

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Politico Phil's avatar

After reflecting, I'd like to add this from a previous comment. It fleshes thing out more.......

The viability of the NWO hinges on whether or not the US is included and that is an extremely tough nut to crack. This is due to the way the founding fathers set the country up. The United States is not a monolithic, top down gov't which would be way easier to capture. All political power in this country resides with 50 independent states and their citizens. The Feds only have such power as is delegated by the states, with the consent of it's citizens, in the Constitution and no more. This republican governmental structure is the main reason "the US is proving to be the most difficult to change over to the NWO."

As American citizens, we have to remember that all political power resides WITH US. As Christians, we have to remember that all power in heaven and on earth resides with the Lord (who caste Satan out of heaven when He ascended) who empowers us as His body here on earth with His authority and the Holy Spirit. So be of good cheer and remember who we are. This war is not over until the fat binary sings.

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CMCM's avatar

Very very well stated. I hope everyone here will read it carefully.

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AM's avatar

Excellent points Politico Phil. And they still almost took out Reagan. Probably would have it not for the Secret Service guy who made the judgment call on where to take him after he was shot. And just look at who almost became POTUS out of that fiasco. 🙄

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Willing Spirit's avatar

DeSantis=George W. Bush

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AM's avatar

Exactly where I net out too.

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Fla Mom's avatar

All but your last clause. Trump did a great job as Chief Executive, all while being undermined from both within and without.

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AM's avatar

PS: my kid was still in college in 2020/2021, and I credit Governor DeSantis for university covid vaccine mandates never getting off the ground in our state. Thank God. What a nightmare that has been in some states/schools.

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daverkb's avatar

A friend sent me this Glen Beck video segment. In it Glen states openly that in view of all the recent time events, the United States is now seen as being shed of its Superpower status. I would have to agree. Along with such things a the Great Banana Republic of 2020, the world at large is going to take this trumped up Trump persecution charge as one more indication of a fall from grace into a third world state lawlessness. And more reason not to invest in the United States.

Somehow, 'these people' never seem to be capable of calculating the impacts of their criminal rashness in extended time.

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AM's avatar

No they don’t. Everything is supposed to just jibe smoothly with their ideological fantasies. So what if it goes against the grain of western principles in place and evolving since the Magna Carta? 🙄

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daverkb's avatar

Yes, ideological fantasies as in not rooted in reality = insanity which is recipe for disaster for which we in the US dominated Woke Empire are about to pay the hideous price in spades. Just wait and see. Brace and prepare.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

THANK YOU for your correct use of the term "jibe" as opposed to the illiterates who say "jive."

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AM's avatar

Ha ha thanks for noticing Fred - that sort of thing is my pet peeve. It's not a 'mute' (lol) point.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

I know, right? Only a 'looser'(sic) says "jive."

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Fla Mom's avatar

It's purposeful. What do you think Obama meant by "fundamentally transform?" That side can't stand our success, our wealth, our (former) virtue, our liberty, our happiness.

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daverkb's avatar

Fundamentally Transformed? In his book all about himself, Obama pretty much stated that he was a Marxist. So fundamentally transformed means transform from the last vestiges of the Christian principles of the old Christian American states republican in form and the Federal limited service government subordinate to the states (as in the first US Constitution 'for' and not later 'of') into a wholly Marxist secular government and/or governments.

It's bye, bye God. And hello Simon Says according to a Humpty Dumpty version of 'words mean whatever I say they mean' and according to any whimsical conceptualization of law ordering. Obama's vision of end result is ... Marxist government, a total surveillance and control society, with passports (limitation of movement), social credit scores (some already here), total control digital money (already here but about to be further formalized, institutionalized), all the fake Agenda 21/30/Green stuff ... and you will own nothing and like it.

This is a thumbnail sketch. There were plenty of other milestones along the road that got us to our present time of sorrows.

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