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GG's avatar

I'm adjusting my tinfoil hat before writing this...

What are the odds that both Israeli and American intelligence had NO IDEA this was in the works? The way they spy on every communication and gather data on everyone, how did these people plan and pull off such a massive operation?

If they didn't know, what is the point of "intelligence" agencies?

Or did they know? If they know, they're complicit.

Our government has been overwhelmed by communists. Has Israel's? Is it possible we colluded with Iran against Israel? Is it possible Israel is involved in some way?

I just know I don't believe anything I read anymore.

What are some other questions I should be asking?

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Charlotte's avatar

How come we have more footage from this brand new war in 9 hours than we have the whole year in Ukraine? Wag the Dog anyone?

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dagny awoke's avatar

Thank you so much to Jeff for actually reporting this news with Israel’s loss in his mind and not just only repeating Palestinian deaths when they are terrorists and not innocent civilians.

The Nimrod Aloni story has already been debunked. It’s a photoshop of his face in sunglasses…

The video of the Israeli soldier being removed from a tank and beaten is actually a doll, it doesn’t fall in a natural way with bones and rigor mortise.

I have family in Israel and pray for the innocent civilians, but there is a shock and awe media campaign happening as well as a blitz on the ground.

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Cheryl Caraglior's avatar

Prayers for your family and Israel. No matter if the communists in Israel's government and the communists in our government and the Muslims are against Israel, God is for her and has promised that she will never be pushed into the sea.

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dagny awoke's avatar

Amen. Thank you so much Cheryl. And I agree, be it Communism, Nazis, or ‘Hydra’ it’s evil with a lowercase e.

Goodness will prevail 🙏

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Wendy Montgomery's avatar

Prayers your family is safe. 🙏🙏🙏

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dagny awoke's avatar

Thank you Wendy! They are in safe rooms… probably going to be a long night with the rockets falling again

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Thank you for the great intel, Dagny!

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PowdaHound's avatar

It takes several hours for rigour mortise to initiate and hits maximum at about 12 hrs. So I would keep that in mind in trying to debunk anything. Personally have not seen the video you refer to so I’m not going to comment either way on the doll theory.

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Just Comment's avatar

WOW, you are so right !

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Peter GL's avatar

Because we have become supporters of the penis piano playing joker of Ukraine whom we invite to White House and turning our backs to our staunchest ally in the ME who is NOT invited there. Thank you Brandon

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richard's avatar

Israel isn't an ally, it's parasite.

If the US didn't ally itself with Israel, the US would be allies with everybody else in all the Middle East. Allying with Israel was the stupidest thing that's ever been done in US foreign policy.

It has fucked us for 70 years.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

We had people Iike you claiming we shouldn’t have helped Israel in 1973 too.

We have been sending Israel

Billions yearly for decades.

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“¡Essential!”??? Cargo Pilot's avatar

And Egypt too bro. It's part of the peace deal. Egypt gets billions too...

"You can't have war against Israel without Egypt and you can't have peace for Israel without Syria."

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Correct, Egypt and Israel both get 3b a year. Egypt got the license to manufacture Abrams tanks which is ironic given that the west didn't allow Israel that option.

There will never be peace with Syria so long as Iran and Russia keep the war going. Putin's MIC gotta profit.

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Joseph Kaplan's avatar

Maybe the same reason we have so much footage ever arrest of Trump?

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Freedomisnotfree's avatar

CNN was there ready to film before it started. Like a lot of events.

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richard's avatar

The US is bombing both Yemen and Somalia and has been for years. We've seen no footage of that. The US is still bombing Syria. Any footage of that?

US news media is just propaganda. You are told what to care about and when to care about it by the propaganda box.

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Positively Paying It Forward's avatar

Is Biden Peters awake yet? If so, was he reading a book (upside down) to school children in Florida?

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Eileen's avatar

Said exactly this to my husband watching the news earlier

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

There is a huge amount of videos and evidence out there. If you haven’t seen it you’re just willfully naive and blind

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Charlotte's avatar

The war is real, but footage is hidden because it shows it as the proxy war it actually is. And Russia is winning, which they also don’t want to show. But it is an utterly pointless war and the Us policy to continue it ignores the utter devastation it has caused on the young male population in all of Ukraine. They are viewed as expendable.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Russia isn't winning.

Did the suddenly take Kyiv overnight? Odesa ? Kherson? Kharkiv?

Reminder: They declared victroy 590 days ago when they were on the outskirts of Kyiv and are still fighting several hundred KM away from that and on the defensive.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Ukraine is now making women fight. Russia is taking hundreds of thousands of refugees. Sounds like Ukraine is certainly winning...

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Russia has been drafting women from the occupied territories for months now.

Russia isn't taking "refugees", they're taking people forced to filtration camps.

Russia still hasn't accomplished the goals it claimed to have done on day 2, by the way. And they are slowly being pushed out of several important towns in the south and east.

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Charlotte's avatar

I’m really thinking that 99% of the Ukraine war was utter BS and just a huge cash grab to bury in the DoD and line politicians pockets.

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The Great Resist's avatar

I thought from the very beginning that all the footage from Ukraine looked staged. Smoke billowing but never showing exactly what was on fire. I don’t doubt that there have been many victims, but the framing has seemed suspect all along.

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Truthseeker's avatar

I agree

I think a lot of the photos are photo ops or are completely staged or CGI… even that pic of the commander Aloni’s capture… look at how they’re holding him ‘captive’ … in his sunglasses… but barefoot, shirt ripped … I don’t know… people who captured him blurred out

Looks VERY fishy to have any pictures of that moment- a film crew was conveniently positioned or a convenient iPhone captured that!!??

I smell bullshxx

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David A's avatar

The war is very very real, and their are litterally thousands of videos of people being killed, horrific and unmistakeable videos. The dead and maimed run in the hudnreds of thousands just on the Ukraine side. The US coverage of this has gotten very weak because Ukraine is losing rather badly,

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Maha's avatar

Too late.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

There is a huge amount of videos and photos out there on the Ukraine war. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Bnn is a literalist and can't understand anything else.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

There are huge amounts of video and photos out there of the war in Ukraine. It's not our fault you don't see them because you don't look. I can send you a bajillion videos of russians getting blown up (much to Jeff's chagrin).

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Israel forced their citizens to take the Pfizer death shot.

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GG's avatar

Which is why I specifically asked about Israel's government and communism. Maybe it's not communism, but something has infiltrated all these governments and put these people on the same page of the same playbook.

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OnTheJump's avatar

...SO much so, that I absolutely find it impossible to believe that there are people walking around unaware. Which is the case - but SO doggoned hard to believe.

The stench is so strong - how can one NOT catch even a whiff of the Bullshit Factor.

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

On The Jump …. I will ask my family , who live in another state, the next time I talk ( argue ) with them .

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Copernicus's avatar

Yes, I'm hijacking your comment. Knowing you are an OB. Just had a friend - a surgeon! - who is pregnant, comment that, because she is traveling on a plane soon, she got a booster recently. 😭😭😭😭. "I talked to three OBs about it." To which I said, well, yes, they would have told you to get it.

I didn't say more because, well, it's done.

She also said she's planning to wear an N95 on the plane. I suggested she may want to reconsider ... those aren't meant to be worn more than a brief period of time, cause increased work of breathing for mom, reduced oxygenation and increased CO2 retention... which affects baby. She seemed mildly interested, so I emailed her a study. And also took the bold step to say that spike is highly thrombogenic, she is pregnant (also thrombogenic), and going on a plane (somewhat thrombogenic). And perhaps she would want to talk to a mutual friend (a physician) who is treating people with spike related problems, and the friend can give her information about nattokinase as a possible mitigator for clot risk while flying. 😭😭😭🤯🤯🤯

And gave her info about the betadine spray as more effective preventative along with vitamins D and C.

I was just so stunned by the level of fear under which she is operating. Stunned.

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

Shake my head every day I work . I don’t know safety and nattokinase in pregnancy. I just know , in the office , we document no travel when pregnant , on planes , due to these jabs and risk of clots . They go at their own risk . I had 2 teachers who are recently jabbed ( they always wear a mask , it’s their virtual signaling to us and staff) … their blood pressure is creeping up , they will either abrupt their placentas or get induced early ( it’s the new management of jabbed OB pts now . ( that would be a good study ) 🤔. “The incidence of blood pressure meds before and after jabs in pregnant women “… ps …you get NO funding!! 🤐

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Copernicus's avatar

That’s awful.

Folks took jabs in order to travel (some of them). And now you are telling them they can’t. Because of said jabs.

I saw that FLCCC says natto in pregnancy is unknown. 🤷🏼‍♀️

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

If they insist on traveling and greater than 12 weeks baby ASA is recommended to the jabbers

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Copernicus's avatar

As you well know, a pre/post jab-era study wouldn’t be difficult, thanks to ICD codes and CPT codes. Pick a few years pre-vid. Run the numbers in a few busy community hospitals. Urban and rural. Then compare the incidence of placental abruptions to the incidence from 2022 on. 🎯

Not as “good” as randomized pre-post with jab status documented, but I bet the numbers would be similar to the disability and death numbers Ed Dowd keeps finding. 🙁

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

Yes 👍🏼, I believe it would be too.

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Copernicus's avatar

So you are saying that LOTS of jabbed pregnant women abrupt?! Or get induced early…

That is horrible. Abruptions are awful.

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

Cannot say “a lot “ … enough that woke me up after jab rollout .

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

You're kind to call it fear, Copernicus.

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Kim D's avatar

You did your best. That takes courage. Many of us lay people but also in the know are hesitant to make health suggestions to the woke crowd.

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Copernicus's avatar

I told my husband that I am done being quiet. 🤷‍♀️ It matters not someone's professional credentials, not anymore.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I don't try anymore - except for my closest family members who are ALL jabbed!! I keep sending that data from Dr. Malone, Dr. McCullough, Dr. Mercola...praying they don't just automatically deleted. They know I pray for them--however, God doesn't deliver us from our willful stupidity!!

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I'm not stunned--but I AM heartbroken! So glad you were able to pass along verified, holistic treatments for the spike protein to this terribly deluded MD/pregnant woman. Praying she takes your wholesome, compassionate advice, Copernicus!

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OnTheJump's avatar

.........they pick up the phone when you call ?!

I get voice mail - likely deleted, unheard.

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

It’s been bad , real bad … 2 cancers and one with blood clots … they still believe in Fauci and Biden …

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TriTorch's avatar

Stockholm syndrome is a helluva a psychedelic drug

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Willing Spirit's avatar

John McStain was the poster child for S.S.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

And he passed it on to his bubble head daughter, Megan.

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Freedomisnotfree's avatar

Culling, a process since the cavemen days.

The more intelligent survive. In the last 2 decades there has been a huge shift in the admissions process of med school, and most other previously difficult institutions to get into.

Huge. Lots of dumbasses let it in recent years not on merit. These people could not find their way out of a paper bag. Now we know why. Easier to mislead them.

Steer clear.

Go to FLCCC or AFLD. Start there.

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OnTheJump's avatar

Sorry to hear, Brandon is not your bro.

Fingers pointed everywhere ("it's Russia", "the climate", "anti-vaxxers" .... and of course, everybody's fave - "Trump!") but missing the most obvious item which seems such a common denominator that it would appear foolish to miss, and also answers the obvious question: " what is DIFFERENT, what has CHANGED ? "

amazing.

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Cheryl Caraglior's avatar

God has warned us that the End Times will be characterized by lies, deception and a great delusion. 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12.

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alongername's avatar

Even i can sum it up : Lots of really STUPID humanoids waddling around .......

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

Very amazing .😔

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TRM's avatar

https://i.postimg.cc/B6Pd2QGp/Cults-Sequence-Of-Behaviour.png

Because they are the true believers and will go to their graves in denial.

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AJF's avatar

My guess is the WEF. If you look at their website you'll see just how infiltrated they are world wide: governments, corporations, the arts...and they meet yearly to be on the same page. You can read the bios of the "young leaders." Quite chilling.

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Nikki (Gayle) Nicholson's avatar

the WEF is initials for Satan. Hello

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Jaci's avatar

Nettie is a globalist. There never should have been an Israel. KZ mafia bargain to get US into WW2.. check it out...Christians revere its creation, but it was a grand land grab.

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GreaterIsrahell's avatar

"There never should have been an Israel."

Rothschild had two reasons for creating it.

1. Between the two rivers (Nile & Euphrates) are some of the worlds richest mineral deposits on the planet. Ever heard of Oded Yinon and his plan published in the early 80's to create a Greater Israel from river to river? Does anyone believe the wars in the M.E are for any other reason?

2. The oil in the Caspian Basin didn't have a way to the international market. Now it does.

"Christians revere its creation, ...."

Yes, it's mind boggling. If they only knew what the Talmud says about them and Jesus Christ.

The German KZ mafia went to London and asked them if they wanted to win WWI. Not long after that the Lucitania sank. The rest, as they say, is history.

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rolandttg's avatar

created with the Balfour agreement with England where Israel was promised as a homeland land grab from Palistinians in exchange for getting the US into WWI and ending the stalemate.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

You can’t stop prophecy.

Israel was going to exist because it was gods promised land to his chosen people

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Daithi's avatar

That promise was revoked by God because Israel refused to listen to His Son . the Israel of God is the true church ie all believers. Christ said in Matthew 23 v 38 that your (Israel’s) house is left to you desolate.

Modern Israel is an artificial state that does not include large areas of the land that was described in the Bible as the “Promised Land”.

See also Romans Chs. 9 - 11.

All of us need to turn to Christ at this time and seek forgiveness for sin and find peace with Him.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Wrong.

Israel gained the promised land only about 80 years ago and has kept it through almost half a dozen major wars and conflicts. The Jewish people suffered through the holocaust and were given a nation so it would never happen again.

Sorry, but your boys are going to lose yet again.

They are about to gain Gaza and probably half of the west bank, too.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Guess you never read the OT.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

I did.

God explicitly promised them a homeland and the nation of Israel is it.

<----Has a degree from a conservative Bible college

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Daithi's avatar

Maybe you could elaborate on this. I'm not clear what you mean. I agree the Jewish people were given an artificially jerrymandered area to live in, but that geographical area is definitely not the "Promised Land" of the Old Testament.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

It's hardly "artificially jerrymandered". It's what they were promised.

And against all odds it came to be. Against evil forces, enormous armies, and outnumbered several times over.

God's chosen people triumphed.

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Special Ted's avatar

You are an insufferable fool on every single topic in which you claim to be an expert. It would be better if you just kept silent instead of constantly proving how ignorant you really are. But no, you just keep proving yourself a fool every time you comment.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Sorry you're living up to your username, SPECIAL ted :).

The Jews were promised a homeland and they have it and now evil forces and the entire world are against them again.

They will win...again.

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

You do know that the Jews are NOT God's "chosen" people, right? You really should read the Bible.

https://t.me/flatearth/11177

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

They absolutely are the chosen people. Jesus himself was born as a Jew. You can trace his entire lineage in Matthew, also.

I do read the bible.

You should also.

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

You didn't watch that video as it explains it quite well. You're just repeating what you've been told (ie, kinda like "vaxcines are good") without any investigation. Honesty, just like vaccines, I used to believe that, too, because I'd heard that all my life. But, finding out that Jews don't believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, got me questioning it.

Jews deny Jesus Christ was the Son of God, that He is THE Messiah because they envisioned a mighty warrior who would conquer the Romans. They also didnt/don't believe that God would come to earth, in the flesh of a man, as they believe it takes away from God's divinity (they deny the Trinity - God the Father, God the son "Jesus" and God the Holy Spirit) They believe to worship a "human" is idolatry (one of the Noahide Laws). Jesus Christ didn't fit all their pre-conceived notions, so they had the Romans crucify Him after charging Him with blasphemy. (Matthew 27:1; see also Matthew 28:12-15)

... so today, the Jews are still waiting on "the" Messiah, who will bring world peace, rebuild the 3rd Temple and rule over all the world and unite humanity. What does Revelation say about that? And they probably have their perfect red heifer ready for sacrifice to "cleanse" the priests and the 3rd Temple. But Jesus was the LAST sacrifice, getting rid of that old covenant and bringing in a new one.

(Hebrews 10:8-10)

Jews believe in the Torah (1st 5 books of the OT - Jewish history and laws written by Moses), the Talmud - laws and oral traditions passed down by rabbis (Noahide Laws - laws supposedly given to Noah after the flood and expounds on the "proper" treatment of "goys", also supports 6-8 different genders) and the Kabbalah, which is mysticism and magic, ie, witchcraft. There is also a large percentage of secular Jews.

So, if Jews deny Jesus Christ is God in the flesh, continue on with their own rules and practices, why would God declare "the Jews" as His "chosen" people?

God's "chosen people" are those who have died to themselves and now follow Christ, accepting Him as their Lord and Saviour. It has nothing to do with genealogy or bloodline. It has to do with your FAITH in Him.

Phillipines 3:3

Romans 2:28-29

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Fla Mom's avatar

There's a history of it there, at least among a segment of the population. I know little about the country or the culture, though; I'm sure other commenters know much more.

The Israeli Experiments in Voluntary Communism

Many Kibbutzim tried to implement Marxist theory on a small scale.

https://fee.org/articles/the-jewish-experiments-in-voluntary-communism/

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Donna in MO's avatar

Now that you mention it, I remember being told about the Kibbutzim in elementary school, and our teacher talking about it like it was such a wonderful thing. I remember thinking that would be horrible, I grew up a one of 4 girls with my parents in a 900 sq foot home where we did have to share everything. Including a single land line phone. Constant battles with my sisters. NO kibbutz living for me!

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Fla Mom's avatar

Lol! I guess the others had to learn the harder way. I don't think there are as many as there used to be, or perhaps one just doesn't hear about them or about American kids going to work on one, which was a romantic notion when I was a teen.

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daverkb's avatar

The people who founded Israel were mostly Zionists. These people were largely secular Humanists, indifferent to God and the Bible and heavily steeped in Marxist ideology ... and I add, no friend of Christians. Their agenda has always been hurray for Israel, give us your money and the hell with the true interests of the American state and the American people.

Business as usual is that places like the Ukraine and Israel get 'our' money. Meanwhile the US border is non-existent, our infrastructure decays, our jobs are sacrificed to a Woke Globalism (itself a Marxist jig), and we the American public are incessantly wared upon by the a captured allegedly US government. Even our supply chains, including food, are deliberately placed in jeopardy in an agenda that can only be described as a liquidation of America and the American people.

I have been solely pro the American people and their ancient traditions, customs and habits ever since Israel's attack against the USS Liberty during the Lyndon Johnson presidency. This attack was hushed up because 'Israel is our greatest ally' and all of that. This attack was the beginning of my political awareness awakening.

Your instincts are nearly always right so far as I am able to determine. And I think you hit the ball out of the park today.

God bless you.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Exactly. It's always difficult to talk to ppl that read the Bible and think that when God says Israel, He means the modern political state of Israel 2000 years removed from those times... (sigh)

I posted a reply a couple of hours ago. Don't know if you saw it.

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I did not see it. In any event, the Fallen Church talks such nonsense on modern Israel, and the term Judeo-Christian is simply appalling. Before I knew anything about the 'old timey' Reformation era confessions of faith, I questioned these assertions. But without a rudder and a North Star of referral, I remained very, very much befuddled and out to sea.

In short, the modern Israel is the super-god state of all god states, and every knee shall bow down unto her. And Zion got three new letters of addition, namely i - s - m. The whole story in a nut shell ... and the New Captivity made official with the Rothschild Founding.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Understand. I very much had the same experience. Knew it didn't make sense but wasn't quite sure why until...and then "Light Bulb!"

Oh my gosh, that was the perfect summation of today's Israel.... The New Captivity made official with the Rothschild Founding. I gotta remember that!

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daverkb's avatar

Hi Phil ...

I didn't see Bob. The 'take me back to old Virginny' feature in Comments sometimes does not work. However, it is true what you say ... that one has to know how the Covenants work and have a sort of 'unitary field' understanding of Scripture. If one doesn't, one ends up with the Trash Fallen Church. And then this leads directly to the Trash Fallen Civilization ... and to being afflicted with Creepy Creatures like Justin the Soy Boy (Canada), Ursala van der Crazy (EU), and Annalena 360 now 560 on the way to 760 Baerbock (Germany). And let's not forget the Big Guy, Emperor Creep ... aka Biden the Barbarian of the Basement. Simply put, forgetting God and Scripture leads directly to a world populated by insane clowns ... and perdition. But the 'Christians' would not know this because they see only the outward manifestations and not the Royal Road of Causation that has led them to deny their Faith ... and that is even without the assistance of crowing cocks. Proof? They the Would Be locked up their 'churches', sealed 'em shut tighter than a tomb ... and bowed down to the god mandating state. By their actions seen, they gave their consent to the state declared proposition that their 'churches' were a 'non-essential businesses.' And sho won in this? The people? God? The State? And 'churches' qua 'non-essential businesses? Shades of Babylon? (My, My ... how little things doth change!)

Speaking of Rothschild, there is actually a Rothschild Boulevard in Tel Aviv, a thing of prominence by the stately street width and the abundance of trees. I should not have been surprised!

Oh well! Some days the horses get carried away with themselves! Maybe with thundering hooves to Truth? Maybe to other would be greener pastures? What can I say? What is for me to say? I am only a man.

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Tom's avatar

The one whose kingdom is of this world is putting everyone on the same playbook.

All lies come from the same source.

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Nikki (Gayle) Nicholson's avatar

Satan has entered the kingdoms of the world.

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Freedomisnotfree's avatar

Tyrants or Authoritarians or Totalitarians all could be used.

Or just the Evils.

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Esther's avatar

Something very similar to what’s going on in the US army has been happening in Israel’s army. There was a lot of talk recently about the importance of integrating women into all kinds of fighting units, with the lowering of physical standards that entails. The brass here spent too much time placating radical feminists and not enough time on protecting us from our very real enemies. Sound familiar? Prayers are very welcome

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown's avatar

I'd call it neo-feudalism

You can think of Communism as bureaucratic feudalism.

There's an enormous welfare state redistributing workers earnings to the super wealthy.

The tax system heavily fines workers and heavily subsidises economic rents.

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Nita's avatar

Agree

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Jennifer Majewski Williams's avatar

Exactly what I’m thinking. Netanyahu was big on the Covid and Covid jab propaganda. If it smells like a globalist probably is a globalist

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Kaye's avatar

Maybe this documentary contains answers. Those who don't know history, are condemned to repeat it....

https://www.bitchute.com/video/H3j90XMIfidR/

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

It's called the "big lie" and 5th gen psyop warfare, GG. And who is the chief proponent of LYING to humanity--none other than Lucifer himself. I feel the "evil" swirling around me ever since the PLANdemic began. Lucifer is having his heyday right now...but the RIGHTEOUS WARRIOR, KING YESHUA will be RIGHTING all of the WRONGS as soon as he is given the "go ahead" from Jehovah. In His timing--not ours (or CNN's)!!! BLESSED BE THE NAME OF KING YESHUA!!

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Based Florida Man's avatar

I think their whole population is not thinking clear from sucking down 5 more of the jibby jabbies. Especially the military commanders and political leaders.

They definitely don't look sharp.

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Datagal's avatar

Sounds like that’s the plan- weaken the military and then pounce. Who’s next?

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MaryAnn's avatar

Excellent! 😄👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

Israel signed a contract with Pfizer for the death shot. They had an incentive to push it.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

They learned nothing from the experiments Dr. Josef Mengele did on prisoners in Auschwitz.

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OnTheJump's avatar

"the World's Laboratory"......

A lot of 'good' THAT has done anybody.

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CaplT's avatar

Almost every country did. The contract even says we don’t know if it will work.

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Shy Boy's avatar

We're going to end up seeing what mass vaccination did to their military preparedness.

Lots of adrenalin going through young hearts in the IDF reserves right now.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

That is why SecDef Austin forced our military to take the covid death shot.

...to weaken our military.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

It's the only reason I could think of. Corollary: then who stands to gain? (Answer:owner of vast amount of rich US farmland).

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David Blackwell RN, BSN, CCM's avatar

Yeah, those Jesus 'Immaculate Heart' paintings come to mind?

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Jamie Leigh's avatar

I think you mean Sacred Heart. And honestly, if you've got a problem with the Sacred Heart of Jesus, at least make yourself clear as to why.

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Dr Linda's avatar

The government was handsomely paid

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Concerned mom's avatar

And now they're asking for blood donations... if you weren't jabbed before...you will be now!

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Celayne Jones's avatar

So did the Palestinians.

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Peter GL's avatar

Could it be they were supporting fellow Jew Bourla?

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nancy knox-bierman's avatar

NOTHING happens in the Middle East that does not have a CIA footprint. I'm thinking (sans tinfoil) that the US is angry about the upcoming peace negotiations between Israel and Saudia Arabia. Biden admin does not get along with the current Israeli admin. This would be an object lesson by proxy.

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Charlotte's avatar

Biden also doesn’t like the current group in SA. So the CIA and war mongers both stand to gain with this new skirmish.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Blaming the cia and Biden over something Iran and Russia and hamas and hezbollah did is rather foolish

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Charlotte's avatar

Biden gave 6 billion to Iran only months ago. When he left Afghanistan he left 300,000 arms. those have found their way to Gaza (miracles never cease). Then CIa has been tailing Trump and other nonsense plans instead of doing their job- getting intel on attacks like this one. Hamas jammed communications in Israel before the attack, CIa should have seen that coming. Biden also sent aid to Palestine just recently, even though it was OPENLY discussed how the aid could be used for arms- I mean Hamas is a terrorist organization, it is no secret. Where did they think it would go- to feed people? Please. The Biden Adminstration has some morons clutching starbucks cups while wearing Che Guevara shirts making the policies. God help us.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Actually less than amonth, 3 weeks ago. So far I haven't seen anything linked to the Afghanistan debacle in Israel. Nor anything from Ukraine, despite what horse face MTG says. The Palestinian terror groups are already awash in Iranian and Russian weapons because Russia and Iran smuggle weapons to them. Russia met with the leader of hamas a few weeks ago in Moscow.

If you're going to throw blame at the justly deserved Biden admin, don't forget to include one of Tehran and Hamas' long time backers, Russia.

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David A's avatar

Charlotte comment is spot on. Both money and weapons are fungible.

From Obama forward Islamist terrorism has received US funding, and Hamas funding from Iran is known.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Which is likely. But the "us funding" was American holds on funds in a south korean bank, hardly "US FUNDING". The hold should have never have been lifted regardless.

Indeed, Iran is one of Hamas' largest aid donors. So is Russia. Hezbollah got the missiles to hammer the IDF and cause a lot of damage in 2006 from Russia, for example.

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David A's avatar

That was only a fraction of the total US funding, and other aid. And the rounds of violence continue.

Naming the first tit, that resulted in the first tat, is a rather infinite debate yes. Humanity must evolve past this. " If not brothers in life, then Brothers in violent death."

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Amanda R's avatar

There is a brilliant book called Follow the Pipelines by Catherine Dennett. It's eye opening, particularly about the Israeli government and yes, the CIA is all over the middle east.

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Lauren Miller's avatar

Or next place we get to shovel our money to since Congress is starting to balk at Ukraine? Will be interesting to follow but that's the first thing I thought of

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Jeff C's avatar

Someone (may have been Michael Tracy) snarkily commented that the political natural order has now been restored. The Speaker's race will be decided by who supports Israel the hardest.

There's been a lot of good comments recently pointing out how much US foreign policy is heavily influenced by Protestant Dispensationalist theology and it's interpretation of end times prophecy regarding Israel. Certainly it drives war mongers like Pence and Pompeo.

As a pre-trib rapture evangelical myself I know I was sucked into the "Israel right or wrong" mindset from shallow beliefs regarding the end times. It really was a shock to realize many historical heroes of the faith didn't interpret these passages this way. And certainly we don't know for sure that this version of Israel is the one referenced in these passages.

It's worth digging into more for people who reflexively support Israel out of some sort of religious belief. One thing I'm certain of is that our faith has been weaponized to guilt us into supporting Israel regardless of the situation.

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Austin's avatar

.....out of SOME SORT of religious belief??? Seriously????

Gen 12:3

"I will bless those who bless you [Israel], And I will curse him who curses you [Israel]; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.” NKJ

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Jeff C's avatar

Thank you for making my point with a typical thoughtless comment that completely ignores everything I said then selectively quotes a single passage with zero biblical or historical context.

Do you even know the difference between dispensationalism and covenant theology? Have you actually studied the Bible or do you just throw out cherry-picked, zero-context passages that support your preconceived world view?

My comment was a serious one regarding dispensationalism, how it affects people's world view, leads to war mongering, and how the elites have weaponized it against us. And believe it or not, Dispensationalism is a new concept that was developed in the 19th century and was not taught by the church's fathers. (And I am a dipensationalist.)

If you are going to comment on stuff like this try actually reflecting on what was written and apply some thought to it. That furthers the conversation.

You can make your point without embarrassing yourself by exactly demonstrating the knee-jerk response I was specifically commenting on.

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Tom's avatar

What does it mean to bless Israel?

Bless the Israeli government with a worldly perspective?

Or bless the Israeli people with a Biblical perspective.

These people will go through the tribulation and wrath of God unless they come to believe in their Messiah Yeshua.

We have been told ahead of time that the entire world would be at war with Israel, and that Jerusalem would be a stumbling block for all the nations.

So what do we do about it, for the sake of the people who will go through all this?

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Jeff C's avatar

Those are great questions and I don't know the answer. I'm a premillennial dispensationalist and do believe in the end times prophesy and the restoration of Israel. I also believe these passages are meant to be taken literally (while also having great respect for the many revered church fathers who didn't think this.)

But as was mentioned by another commenter, Israel (the modern state) isn't necessarily synonymous with the "people of Israel" described in the Bible.

Seems to me we must view the actions of Israel (the state rather than the people) through a biblical lens in regards to the situation. Is their behavior in accordance with God's Word? Depends on the situation. Do they have the right to defend themselves when attacked? Absolutely. Do they have the right to pre-emptively assassinate perceived enemies? Maybe. Do they have the right to abuse Palestinians out of some sense of religious or racial superiority? No.

However many people out of a misplaced sense of biblical interpretation (IMO) fail to make these distinctions. They defend all actions of the Israeli state, even when those actions would seem to directly violate God's Word as to how we are to treat others. So either we are misinterpreting the Bible or it's contradicting itself. As someone who believes in the inerrancy of scripture, it cannot be the latter.

So I don't know the answer. I do know that there is no shortage of people who misquote the Bible to further their own agenda, but who don't know Jesus. The devil himself quoted scripture when tempting Jesus. Many of our elites saying the Bible compels us to always defend Israel fall into this category IMO.

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Tom's avatar

I hadn't been a Christian long when I saw the commemorative coins minted and sold for the sake of rebuilding the temple.

Being full of brand-new zeal, I initially thought that was a cool way to support God's covenant people. Deep down I was convicted, though, and these coins really bothered me.

Then I realized what that temple meant. It will enable them to practice sacrifices that have already been fulfilled. These sacrifices will be in rejection of their Messiah. This temple will one day be occupied by one that comes in his own name.

I also noticed an unmistakable political angle to the minting of those coins, given that Donald Trump's image was on one side. I only reference DT in passing, because of the political angle. This is not an attempt to relate him to prophecy.

It's God Who raises up kings, for His own purpose. He raised up Pharaoh so that he could make an example of both Egypt and of Israel. God will do what he said he will do. Israel is back in the land according to His will.

There are many in politics who think they are following their own agenda. They are not. Principalities also believe they are following their own agenda. They are not.

I am a subject of a King whose Kingdom is not of this world.

Like you, I don't have the answer to these worldly issues. All I have is His Word, as a lamp to my feet. I had best learn to follow it more every day.

There is going to be more chaos and deception coming. Count on it. This will continue until even the elect will be deceived, if it were possible. So we stay in the Word, and work while we have the light.

Walk in faith, Jeff C.

Maranatha!

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I keep reminding my loved ones to stay in the Word of God--the Holy Bible...and to not take on the "mark of the beast" - I believe "the beast" is a SYSTEM--we see it now...Governance/Huge Pharma/Technology/MSM and the "mark" more than likely will be computer chips imbedded on our hand and our forehead (Elon Musk is a rabid developer of that particular technology).

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Special Ted's avatar

I know of a symbol that could represent the 'beast' system. It has 6 points, 6 triangles, and 6 sides...the synagogue of satan calls it their 'star of David,' but it isn't called that in God's Word. It's called the star of remphan (among other names). Check out Acts 7:43.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Ted...I re read the entire chapter from Acts--the "WITNESS OF STEPHEN" - (my mother named my only brother after this first martyr of the Christian faith)...and it recounts the history of the Jewish nation (the "stiff-necked" people) as Jehovah termed them!! And...so are we ALL "stiff necked"...and yet JEHOVAH JIREH loves us unconditionally!!

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David A's avatar

Jeff, it is indeed a very muddled world. The Palestinain people are tools of many, inluding many Islamists groups. Israel has historically made much effort to incorporate Arabs into citizenship, efforts that were betrayed by wanton violence. Hamas, and other terroists have always used the "Palestinian" people as human shields for offensive weapons. The twisting of Islam into a religion of hate is, IMV, far deeper and more pervasive then the twisting of Israel, although I do see evidence of the same globlist evil that is directly infiltrating western nations and the US government, also being very active in Israel. Yet somehow the sheer violence that has overtaken Islam in many nations is ignored by the WEF globalist powers that be.

From what I have read of the history of the region, Israel certainly has a right to exist. It is curious how the Saudi acceptence of Israel (and othe ME nations moving in that direction) was spearheaded by Trump, and such a cold blooded brutal attack was very unlikely to be ventured under Trump.

The world is in a rather sad state, if not brothers in life, then brothers in violent death.

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Austin's avatar

Attacks and put downs. Very thoughtful.

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Jeff C's avatar

Adding here that I responded to Austin the way I did because it was clear his initial response was in bad faith. He replied in a belittling tone, with a completely out of context passage, in an attempt to shut me up through mockery. So I gave it right back to him and called him out for exactly what he was doing.

Some may say my response was unchristian, that's your opinion and I respect that. However, the Bible calls us to be kind, not to be "nice", there is some overlap but they aren't the same thing.

I try to use good manners whenever I can as I believe it's important for society to function. However when people respond in bad faith, my obligation to be "nice" to them ends. Plus it's important to call out these bad faith tactics so others see them for what they are and don't fall for them.

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Kim D's avatar

You handled yourself in a gentlemanly way.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

You were spot on and quite "tame" compared to what I wanted to say to the "troll" person!

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Jeff C's avatar

Thanks Sharon and Kim.

I've thought about this a lot as there is an entire generation of males out there that grew up without a father present, or even worse an effeminate male as a father. These people never learned boundaries. They never learned that other people don't have to put up with their rude obnoxiousness and disingenuous behavior.

What compounds this is that we as Christians supposedly aren't allowed to call them out on it because it wouldn't be "nice" (i.e. weaponizing our beliefs against us). So instead of maybe learning the lesson by being called out on it, they never do. Or worse they learn it the hard way by mouthing off to the wrong person and ending up in the hospital (or morgue).

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Call out the bratty trolls--you're actually doing them a favor--in the long run.

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Jeff C's avatar

Ok Austin I'm done with you as it's obvious this is going no where. For the record, you started this with a belittling "Seriously????" in response to my comment. And also for the record, you didn't address a single point I made.

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GG's avatar

There are certain things God requires of "Israel" (his children, not the state) that modern, secular Jews disregard. I would think that has some bearing on how the prophecies will play out.

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Tom's avatar

God will do what he purposed from the beginning, and the salvation of a remnant of the people with whom He made that covenant is evident in his Word.

They will suffer greatly, and one day, they will look upon the One they have pierced.

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Martha's avatar

Great discussion with Tom and others! I, too, am a Dispensationalist of the pre-trib rapture variety, though much less learned/articulate than you. Owing to previous "programming", I still have to remind myself that Israel in Scripture is not the secular Israeli state.

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Jeff C's avatar

I'd probably phrase that as not *necessarily* the secular Israel state. Maybe it is but I don't think so based on its actions. What does seem clear to me as we can't give it a blank check and excuse its actions because it seems to align with a Dispensationalist interpretation. Some of the biggest war mongers out there (Pence, Pompeo, George W Bush) were all Dispensationalists which I personally find very troubling.

Looking back, I remember cheering for the bombing of Iraq in my youth and naivety. In hindsight, the war was a disaster by just about every objective measure. Thousands of killed US troops, tens of thousands of maimed US troops, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed, a couple trillion dollars, and now Iran runs the place. There is no way that war could have been the will of God (IMO). Yet there was Israel and their churchgoing US supporters cheering the whole thing on.

Now the same people are screaming for blood and demanding Israel return Gaza to the stone age. I'm sure we'll get sermons in some lightweight churches tomorrow about how the Bible commands us to support Israel, and the pastors will believe what they are saying. Yet no one will stop and ask if we are being cleverly manipulated with a Biblical interpretation that is only around two hundred years old.

Nothing is as it seems.

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Politico Phil's avatar

All those politicians you mentioned that say they are Dispen. Christians...they are not. They are just playing to the crowd for the votes. Hasn't changed in this country in 200 years.

As for the 20th century political state called Israel, don't judge what they are by their actions. Judge by what the Word of God says.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

You have read the Old Testament thoroughly, I hope, Jeff. There was an AWFUL LOT OF KILLING going on and remember...when Jehovah would tell the Children of Israel to not take ANY prisoners or plunder--they were to kill EVERYONE--even the children and BURN/DESTROY their buildings and belongings. Remember what Yeshua said while here on earth, "I have come not to bring peace, but a sword" (paraphrased) Here's the verse I was remembering:

.https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2010%3A34-36&version=ESV

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dubya's avatar

Jeff, do you have some recommended readings on this topic? I would like to better educate myself.

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Jeff C's avatar

Here's a pretty good summary from Ligonier Ministries (RC Sproul's organization) that sums up the two and their differences. Ligonier is decidedly Covenant so it ends by saying the Dispensationalists are wrong, so take that for what it's worth.

https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/dispensationalism

Martyrmade (Daryll Cooper) has written a bit on this but his substack is subscriber only.

The Wikipedia articles on Dispensationalism and Covenant theology are surprisingly good and straight-forward, unlike a lot of stuff on Wikipedia. Probably because the leftists/atheists are too lazy to actually learn this stuff which they would need to do to try and discredit it.

The problems with all this though, are three-fold IMO:

- It causes division within the body by focusing the church on secondary doctrines that aren't within the essentials of Christianity and salvation (denominations fighting with each other)

- It leads people to simplistic views of history and interpreting current events (IMO this is why Mike Pence is so militaristic and always pushing wars though I can't see his heart obviously)

- It is used by unscrupulous people to promote a secular agenda (likely most of those pushing the view that we must always back Israel regardless of how awful it behaves).

I'm a Dispensationalist but I fully recognize I may be wrong and it's not my place to argue with people like Martin Luther who never taught this stuff. I also recognize good people can disagree and still be sincere Bible-believing Christians.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

I love ligonier and grace to you! Both fantastic

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Politico Phil's avatar

Agreed. As a side note, Pence is a sadistic pedophile... an utterly evil personality.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

I can not stand him. Dont trust him. He makes me want to puke. And hate that he pushes he is a “Christian”.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Your approach to your CHRISTian beliefs is very much akin to mine. I'm no Bible "thumper"...but when the occasion arises while speaking with people, I interject Biblical verses to make a point that is valid to the discourse. I call the Bible, the Book of Life...it's also a history of Yahweh's longing for a people group to love him and obey His commandments (so their lives will be filled with His grace and harmony).

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LizardFro's avatar

Isn’t Jesus supposed to return on the Mount of Olives? That’s present-day Israel. Not saying they’re always “right” as a country but it makes sense to be allies due to our common Judeo-Christian morals. Biblical scholars have also said that they believe the only reason the U.S. hasn’t been wiped off the map yet is due to a supernatural protection by being allies with Israel. And you can’t argue that it’s a constant miracle that the nation of Israel still exists. I will concede that 2 things can be true at once. The gov can take advantage of this religious belief to further a grift and it can be a real thing as well.

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Corkey's avatar

@jeffchilders

Read Sheldon Richmans take on Israel. His dad was a Rabbi from there who left and never wanted to back. “Coming To Palestine” is a well written book that will change many Open minds.

Coming to Palestine https://a.co/d/4KXjY0a

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Tom's avatar

It's more a question of whether policies are actually supportive of Israel, and discerning the difference between the people and the government of Israel. To fail to make that distinction is a mistake.

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

Agreed...this is all so loaded and deep

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Mom of 5's avatar

🤔

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Israel is already the #1 grifter of USA money.

Over $150 billion to date. https://sgp.fas.org/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

But they can always use more, right?

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Charlotte's avatar

Hey at least Mossad killed the top Iranian nuke scientist with a remote controlled machine gun. What has Ukraine done for us? Ukraine is a pure and simple cash grab. At least under Trump Saudi Arabia and Israel reached an accord. Now that Biden has the wheel (not really) the war mongers are back in control and Iran is going to create mass havoc with it’s new 6 billion war chest.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Israel has kept Iraq and Iran from having nuclear capability for most of my adult life.

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GreaterIsrahell's avatar

Israel is not a signatory to the non-prolifferations treaty, but HAS nukes.

Iran and Iraq do NOT have nukes. Yet they ARE signatories to said treaty.

Which of the three countries do you think I am more concerned about?

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Fla Mom's avatar

I'm less concerned about a country that has had them for decades but has not used them, even in the face of armed conflict, compared to countries that have vowed to destroy Israel and have in the past taken action to attempt to do so.

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rolandttg's avatar

Credible evidence showed Israel regifted some of the W-54 Davey Crockett tactical nukes '41 gave them into Towers 1, 2 , and 7. So, in my book that counts as using nukes. It is also a proven fact the only people arrested on 9/11 were Israelis. Remember the USS Liberty. 34 dead Americans and 154 wounded certainly do .

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Wendy Montgomery's avatar

If they don’t already, Iran will have them soon. It’s not a matter of who has them as much as it’s who wants to use them specifically to destroy other nations.

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GreaterIsrahell's avatar

So, are you saying that you know what's going on inside the heads of the priests in Tehran? Iran wants energy independence. They do not at present have a refinery, so they have to buy diesel, gasoline, lube oil etc. With a nuclear plant they would have this independence.

I can understand every Iranian that resents western governments. They had a democratically elected president in 1953. The "problem" was that he wanted to nationalize the oil industry there much to the chagrin of various oil companies that would lose access to the vast resources.

The CIA paid off people in various newspapers in Iran to undermine Mossadegh. Then Iran had to suffer 26 years under the CIA puppet Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. The rest is, as they say, history.

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David A's avatar

Israel does not have a long long history of saying other ME nations do not have the right to exist, nor does it have a long long history of desroying thousands of Islamic temples. (even when they store weapons in them) yet radical Islam has an extremely violent history against modern Christianity. a Christianity that in no way supports what was done by all sides centuries ago. Somehow the turning of Islam into a religion of state sponsored hate is forgotten by most all. (This has led to very large problems in many nations that let millions of people immigrate that were taught to hate the west.)

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GreaterIsrahell's avatar

"Israel does not have a long long history of saying other ME nations do not have the right to exist."

No, they just send in the IDF, or some F-35s. They have done that in ALL neighboring countries. BAR NONE.

I cannot for the life of me understand why people in the US see Israel as a friend 56 years after Israeli fighter jets made a tea strainer of the USS Liberty killing many of its crew members.

The Golan Heights, which Agent Orange™ recognized as Israeli, is Syrian turf.

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GreaterIsrahell's avatar

Ok. Let's take a look at who created radical Islamism.

Who was it that undermined the legitimately elected leader of Iran, Mohammad Mosaddegh, in 1953? Iranians lived in a reign of terror for 26 years before they ran Palawi out of the country.

The end result was today's Iran.

Take a look at what happened in Palestine over the week-end. Who created Hamas? The Israeli government, that's who. That's right. One of the Israeli government's favorite tactics is divide and conquer. They needed an extreme and unreasonable opponent to the more western accepted PLO with Yassir Arafat in front. The Israeli government financed and armed Hamas. Now the chicken has come home to roost.

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David A's avatar

Mosad lost any influence on Hamas a long time ago. They wanted an inside group outside the control of the Muslim Brotherhood, the organizational head of many terroist organizations. Islamic terror is a very very long history, and you should read it. far older then the US. Islam never gave up Statism and interwoven into that goverment tyranical control, how the Koran is understood and interpreted. It is brutal and deadly.

Yes, the US was dealing with Korea at the time and Britian was taking immense advantage of Iran, and the radical elements were striving for political power. The government they installed gave, under US pressure on Britian, far more of the profits back to the people of Iran, and Iran was then for two decades the fastest growing economy of all the ME, and women had far far more rights. When the radical Islamists took over the murdered 20 times as many political opponents regulated women back to indentured servanct status, and became global sponsors of terror.

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GreaterIsrahell's avatar

"Mosad lost any influence on Hamas a long time ago."

That doesn't change the fact I stated: The Israeli government created Hamas.

"....the Muslim Brotherhood, the organizational head of many terroist organizations."

Oh, so now it's the US/UK created Muslim Brotherhood. Twenty one years ago it was an organization I had never heard of before: Al Quaida.

"Islamic terror is a very very long history, and you should read it."

People rode or walked from NW Europe to Jerusalem more than a thousand years ago to try and conquer the city on Rome's (read: the Vatican's) behalf. To me it sounds like you are saying the people living there were terrorizing the pilgrims that were trying to kill them on the Vatican's behalf?

That equates with the squatter state who has made Hitler proud for almost 80 years of genocidal actions against calling the people being persecuted terrorists. George Orwell couldn't even make that up.

Are you aware of the fact that five books in the Koran are also in the old testament? Meaning, of course that Jews read them as well.

Islamic terror is a very very long history, and you should read it.

"It is brutal and deadly."

Yeah, just like the old testament.

"When the radical Islamists took over the murdered 20 times as many political opponents regulated women back to indentured servanct status, and became global sponsors of terror."

- Are you saying SAVAK were boyscouts?

- What rights does any western country have to dictate domestic policy to any other country in the world? ...., and don't play the UN card unless you're ok with the UN dictating to your country.

In my country we have politicians that scream about Islamification of the country while at the same time screaming about the domestic politics of Islamic countries. ...., and they don't see the hypocricy. Mind boggling.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Ukraine has been killing Russians who want to rebuild the empire and

That includes Alaska.

Russia has been sending lots of weapons to Iran in exchange for aid in their war against Iran.

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Charlotte's avatar

We are buying Iranian oil. So is Europe. This is all a huge con. The Biden Administration is open to deals with Iran, just like Obama before him.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

And?

The war is real whether you want to stick your head in the sand or not.

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David A's avatar

Yet your evidence for Russia today wanting to reclaim the Soviet Union is non existant, and your ignoring of the history of that land is omnipresent.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

They literally have their spokesman stating they are going to.

We can't trust the Russians at what they say they intend to do now?

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David A's avatar

I have found no quote of Putin stating such an objective. In Fact he is deeply critical of the many aspects of the Soviet Union.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

He is so critical he says the fall of the USSR was one of the greatest catastrophes that befell humanity and world history.

We don't have to have Putin say everything in order for it to become gospel for pro-Russians. He has plenty of propagandists and paid, government spokesmen who will happily say it (with an approved, pro-putin and pro-Russia message).

Actual Russian commanders, government officials, and others have said they are out to rebuild the soviet empire and Ukraine is the 3rd step. They already invaded Georgia and Moldova.

Furthermore, a Russian government spokesman published his victory declaration on 2-26-22 and it was shared by TASS and another Pakistani newspaper then retracted later once Russians began retreating.

We don't need to hear everything from Biden for us to know what he plans to do. He has people who push his lies and other propaganda. Putin is the same way.

One of Putin's recently promoted Generals said Ukraine was the first step.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12508113/Ukraine-war-Russian-general-warns-Putin-invasion-just-beginning.html

Furthermore, Putin himself said he was rebuilding the old Russian empire which, drum roll..had the baltics, Ukraine, and Poland in it.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/10/europe/russia-putin-empire-restoration-endgame-intl-cmd/index.html

"By summoning the memory of Peter the Great, it also becomes clear that Putin’s aims are driven by some sense of historical destiny. And Putin’s project of imperial restoration could – in theory – extend to other territories that once belonged to the Russian Empire or the Soviet Union, something that should raise alarms in all the countries that emerged from the collapse of the USSR."

Go forth and read.

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mujoob's avatar

It’s just not real money tho

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

You complain about Israel when we bankrupt ourselves for Ukraine and their minimal value?

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Jeff C's avatar

Both Ukraine and Israel can be a grift, it's not one or the other. False logic.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Ukraine is helping the USA. So is Israel.

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LS Woodruff's avatar

And no one seems to bat an eye as at any of this. The student loan forgiveness crap is another one that they just trot right out and makes my blood boil. They are trying to bankrupt and destroy this country as quickly as they can, almost in a frenzied sense.

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Ann Moody's avatar

And it ain’t accidental! None of it is!

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Karmy's avatar

Cloward Piven strategy.

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GreaterIsrahell's avatar

Next place we get to shovel our money?

The reason they're balking on Ukraine now is that it gets in the way of the steady stream of funds going to the little squatter state ever since JFK was killed.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

You sound upset that your armies have consistently failed to wipe Israel out.

Here’s a pro tip: you’re gonna lose this one again

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GreaterIsrahell's avatar

My armies? You really are a piece of work, and I do not intend to argue with stupid.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

With a name like "GreaterIsrahell" what should I expect from you?

Your boys are gonna take the L..again.

Sodomising women with knives and raping them, kidnapping children, and taking hostages is not a good look.

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Special Ted's avatar

Kek. Your nose is poking out of your mask, agent provocateur.

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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

Hahaha! I love the tinfoil hat comment! In todays crazy world, we NEED to use our tin foils because that gives a new perspective we may not have otherwise considered.

To your question as to what are the odds? I agree. Large attacks like these usually are ALLOWED to happen. They could also be staged to happen as well (tin-foil hat thinking here).

https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/how-to-tell-whats-real-in-the-land

Personally, I stay informed, but ensure that I don’t let it distract me from what’s important in my life, family, etc.

PS, staying with the tin foil thinking, whenever I hear of Israel, I ask, how do we know if this is NOT Zionism at play. Zionism is an interesting aspect that I don’t think a lot of us consider:

https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-polarizing-complexity-of-the-e9c

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Just Comment's avatar

?? Could this sudden war be just a distraction? "Oh, Look! An shining object over there in the Mid-East!"

Pay no attention to the 8+ Millions Unvaxxed people just walk through our Open Border, Million+ Vaccine deaths, ....

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Joseph Kaplan's avatar

The neocons are about to lose in Ukraine. Have to ramp up the next one

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

The neocon in Moscow?

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Politico Phil's avatar

Hello? Do you even know what logic is?

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Just Comment's avatar

Thank goodness we didn't get drag into Ukraine - Russia = WW3.

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shayne's avatar

Exactly.... EVERYTHING AND I MEAN EVERYTHING NOW I look at as a distraction. Then I pray and say, Thank you Lord. Your will be done.

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nt's avatar

Yes 🙌 His will be done on earth as it is in heaven ! Amen 🙏

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Chevrus's avatar

All good points and valid questions several commenters above also mentioned the fact that many of such a movements are infiltrated, and even sponsored by intelligence assets

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Sunnydaze's avatar

You are asking the right questions as are all of us. Israel’s govt is just as compromised as ours and every country in the world. They were covid bat shit and vaxx crazy and forced their citizens to be jabbed. I find it not surprising that this level of infiltration happened and suspect it’s because those inside let it happen. Look at our border. We’re under an invasion at our southern border and our govt is complicit. Why would Israel be any different?

The one thing I can’t reconcile is that biblically Israel does not get destroyed. So, not sure what to make of this yet.

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Copernicus's avatar

Depends on your view of Israel. Is there a literal physical Israel, or are all of us who are followers of Jesus now the true Israel.

I am NOT going to elaborate - that's not my point. Simply saying there is legit debate within orthodox Christian teaching.

Regardless, the destruction of human life is appalling and evil.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I agree! The folks around me who have done zero research believe it is literal Israel the nation. I have a differing opinion based on my research. Not sure which one is actually correct. So I leave room for possibility on both sides knowing that even both might not be 100% accurate. God is much bigger than us and never seems to do things the way we map out. Continues to show He is God and we are not. So 🤷‍♀️

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Politico Phil's avatar

I believe you will find "The Great Tribulation" a rewarding reading and not too long. Available free in PDF. If you like it, Chilton has a full exposition available to read at this site also called "The Days of Vengeance".

https://www.garynorth.com/freebooks/docs/214e_47e.htm

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Kim D's avatar

Thanks for the link!

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Lisa Ca's avatar

When it is for evil reasons. If God commanded the death (like OT) it was not evil. Now I do not believe he still commands deaths.

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Martha's avatar

My belief: The Remnant survives and is the basis for Christ's Kingdom on Earth. The raptured Grace Age believers are part of the Heavenly Kingdom.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Hi there-

pretty sure that means Israel, Gods-people. They can be dispursed through the world. Does not mean theybare in one location. It the tribe not the location.

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Mom of 5's avatar

🤔

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David Blackwell RN, BSN, CCM's avatar

"What are some other questions I should be asking?" - Who prints the Money?

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The Straight Juice's avatar

It is also possible that Russia colluded with Iran in an effort to draw Western powers to Israel's aide, and thereby reduce our focus, monies, and military support to the Russia-Ukraine front.

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shayne's avatar

Putin is sitting back sipping his vodka watching the world chase its collective tail.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Or the Biden Administration, which is a proxy for the Obama Administration, not to draw aid to Israel, but to help destroy it.

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Charlotte's avatar

Or China.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Doubtful. Israel has a well built up army and military industry.

Russias support for Iran is going to backfire as the Israelis are going to start helping Ukraine even more

Now

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The Straight Juice's avatar

Russian support, if true, would be covert and very difficult to prove, on purpose, if indeed their agenda was to split our attention and forces away from Ukraine.

Israel does have a well built military, and a regional conflict with Iran, would significantly occupy their capabilities and attention, and they'd likely win that encounter, with significant losses.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Russia has been supplying Hezbollah and Hamas for years through Iran.

In 2006 when Israel went into Lebanon Hezbollah used Russian missiles to blunt the IDF advantage.

This just forced Israel into the pro-Ukraine camp solidly.

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The Straight Juice's avatar

I don't know. My Hypothesis was conjecture, not enough information to make an informed prediction. You may very well be right.

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LW's avatar

I smell a rat.

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Obedient Subject's avatar

ZERO chance US intel knew nothing. Would they share it with Israel? Very doubtful.

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GG's avatar

I find it difficult to believe neither agency knew. And no, the Obama admin- I mean the Biden administration would never share with Israel.

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Tamsin's avatar

Is Israel intel separable from US intel? Do they not all work for the same team?

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Shy Boy's avatar

No, they don't. That's just not how intel works, especially trans-nationally. There are always shifting alliances and constant power plays. Politics internal, external, overt, and covert. Even just within the US, the "IC" are all frenemies.

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Help Needed in KS's avatar

"I just know I don't believe anything I read anymore."

Exactly how I feel as well. If someone says the sky is blue, I have to check outside first.

Even then I have doubts. Sad, isn't it?

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VeryVer's avatar

I'm thinking everything that happens these days is known about, planned, staged, and lied about. Wars, Covid, pharma poisons, all of it. It's all part of a game, and if civilians get killed, well, everyone dies, right?

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Julie Ann B's avatar

I believe that Israel has been infiltrated with communists just like the US has.

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Fla Mom's avatar

"What are the odds both Israeli and U.S. intelligence didn't know this was in the works?"

We're great at intel on electronic communications, but not word-of-mouth/paper communications. That requires human sources on the ground, much harder to do successfully. I don't know anything about Hamas, but they may be small enough not to need to communicate electronically. In warfare, if one side is very strong on one ability, the other side looks for a way around that strength.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Good point!

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Fla Mom's avatar

I just saw this on Gab:

"One of my first thoughts was, “How did Israeli intelligence not predict this?”

I asked a friend in cybersecurity who trained with the IDF in counterintelligence.

He said it’s difficult to conduct high fidelity intelligence on guerrilla units. They did know some but not all."

https://gab.com/jonharris1989/posts/111195600750507662

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RunningLogic's avatar

That makes sense. Kind of the nature of guerilla units.

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Fla Mom's avatar

I learned the first part from an Army Intel officer I knew, when I asked him why we didn't have better intel on North Korea back when they were having a terrible famine and South Korea had re-emergence of malaria. I was on the Army malaria outbreak investigation team, and the South Koreans were all convinced that the North Koreans had somehow sent mosquitoes infected with malaria across the DMZ. He said we just didn't know much about them (at least back then, in the mid-1990s), because they rarely used electronics. Have you seen that satellite photo of the Korean peninsula at night? The DMZ is clearly demarcated by the bright lights in South Korea and the almost uniform blackness of North Korea at night. (But they must have a sensational view of the stars.) I learned the last part from U.S. Army Command and General Staff College.

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RunningLogic's avatar

So interesting! And yes, I have seen that satellite photo!

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Donna in MO's avatar

I asked the same thing after 9/11. My first take was incompetence - too many silos. My second take years later was kind of like Pearl Harbor - we let it happen. Now, I suspect even worse.

Who funded Hamas? That will likely tell us all we need to know.

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