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Fortified City's avatar

That’s why I won’t trust another medical care facility again, no doctors, no hospitals because they all belong to Big Pharma.

When something goes wrong I’ll just die like we did back in days gone by before we had our super duper medical prowess

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FourWinds's avatar

Unless I am unconscious and some idiot drags me to a hospital or doctor or unless I break a bone I can't live with if I don't fix, I will never, ever, ever, ever set foot in any medical establishment ever again. Ever. I hated them to begin with but the scamdemic sealed their fate.

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Truthseeker's avatar

They are trying to kill us, I think.

My husband has been on a long time thyroid med… we did a lot of research to find the one with the least toxic additives in it… he’s been on it decades and it’s been very helpful

Without warning or cause

The insurance company is changing his med to the MOST toxic form of this medication… full of additives known to cause cancer, etc…

When he appealed to his MD

He wrote a letter of support to keep him on the clean version of the drug.

The insurance company is refusing to give it to him!!! Even with a letter of support from his MD. Even though we are willing to pay more for the other version!!

What the bloody hell?!?

So let’s get this straight

The insurance company and pharmacist are now making medical Choices for you- against your MDs recommendation.

THAT sounds just like covid and the whole ivermectin debacle!!!

Pharma and the insurance companies are drunk on power and here’s another example of how they do not want to give it back.

I’m mad as hell

I do not want my husband on this version of the med full of crap… that will cause other medical problems!!

But this is their new angle

I’m sure of it!!!

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Neil Kellen's avatar

Makes me wonder if you could preemptively threaten to file suit, via a letter from an aggressive attorney letting them know you will be keeping an abundance of evidence and test results and will promptly act if the new medicine causes any side effects. Let them know you will also be setting up a web site to support any others who are forced to switch and suffer for it, so that you help others prepare to sue.

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NofloChick's avatar

Or, maybe he doesn’t even need the medication. I started going to a holistic doctor, and found out that after 20 years of taking thyroid medication I did not even need it. Doctors only run three markets instead of a whole panel. That’s when I found out that I had no antibodies and did not even need to take thyroid med.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

DING! DING! DING!

How did this nation become so dependent on Big Pharma?

I no longer attend the Pharma Sales meetings, no matter what.

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NofloChick's avatar

This probably happens more often than we know…

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FourWinds's avatar

Wow, that is an absolute mess and I am so sorry. I think you are dead on. My uneducated guess says the insurance company is being paid off by pharma to pay for only the drugs pharma wants to hand out. I can't decide whether pharma wants us dead or so incredibly sick that they make more money off treating us for the mess they created. I'm guessing the latter since no one makes money off dead people, unless you're a hospital being paid off to kill people for "covid". I'm sorry about what you are going through and keep fighting those turkeys (family blog or I'd use another word.)

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Truthseeker's avatar

Right- pharma benefits, the sicker you become… so why give him the med loaded with known carcinogen… over the clean version of the med… I only see one reason!!

because there’s tons of money in cancer treatments. It’s diabolical…

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Jan Dickmeyer's avatar

And then there’s that depopulation thing . Your usefulness is determined by the pharma/med/ insurance gods.

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Leo's avatar

From the point of view of a Globalist, e.g. the WHO, perhaps a weakened population is easier to manipulate...

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Melissa S's avatar

Do check out some of the discount Rx programs like Good Rx and Single Care. My husband and I have insurance, but we both, especially me are better off using the discount programs than using insurance. For example, my crappy Medicare Rx plan charges me about $500 for a 90 day supply of a generic drug I can get for $40. It is truly shocking. Other sources to check out are Costco and Amazon’s pharmacy.

It is outrageous that soulless bureaucrats in insurance companies have more control over healthcare than personal physicians.

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AM's avatar

Because, when you're sick and desperate enough - at some point in life most of us get there if we live long enough - they will have more leverage to usher in 'medical assistance in dying' a la the Canadians. IMHO this is another reason they have cracked down on pain meds. Yes, pain meds were being sorely abused and they're dangerous when used incorrectly; however, there are people for whom their quality of life is miserable without them. I have a family member with very severe spinal stenosis, often in a great deal of pain. At some point the way 'out' will be MAID. Not pain relief. Tragic. Added bonus: less people on SS and SSDI.

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Mary's avatar

I’m starting to look at homeopathics and acupuncture for health/pain issues. My husband had been taking a pharma pain killer for back pain for decades, but now he is having success with Rhus Tox, a homeopathic.

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FourWinds's avatar

Rhus Tox is amazing. Homeopathics in general have been for me. I will not go anywhere without Arnica, Arsenicum or Acotonium. Hypericum and Arnica amazingly healed a finger slammed in drop box door. Arnica helped so much after I was hit by a car while walking. When homeopathics work, they REALLY work. When they don't work, they do nothing... and that includes doing no harm. Show me a pharma concoction that can say the same. Also thumbbs up for acupuncture. Years ago my gallbladder was acting up badly, and long story short, thanks to acupuncture and reducing swelling in my body, I still have it and it works quite well.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Have you dealt with osteoarthritis? Wondering how well it works for that. The reviews are really good for that specifically. I have never heard of this before but am looking for alternatives to help with it my shoulders.

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FourWinds's avatar

I have not had to deal with that, so I don't know. I think it may be worth a try. If it does not work, no harm will be done.

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Mary's avatar

Thank you, I am just learning, and the current situation motivates me to work hard at it.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Never heard of that. Cheap, and great reviews! I added some to my prepper stash. Thanks for the tip!

https://www.amazon.com/Boiron-Rhus-Toxicodendron-30C-Pellet/dp/B005P0XMNW

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Copernicus's avatar

Best to get an entire homeopathic kit of remedies and learn how to use them. Helios in the UK makes great kit and shipping to US is not bad. Joette Calabrese, Robin Murphy (deceased) are just two places to learn.

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AM's avatar

Wow that’s great!! I will look into this for my relative.

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AngelaK's avatar

Have they tried medical marijuana?

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AM's avatar

Not that I know of but that’s a great idea. Not sure if they have medical in their state though. Will look into this even though I had a bad reaction to it (tried it for RLS). It’s a blood relative so might be some genetic cross over with intolerance to THC.

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Chevrus's avatar

Meh. I might need some assistance getting to the ocean...I can take care of it after that. Dont forget you PFD, because drowning is traumatic.

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Jean V's avatar

I'm on a thyroid medication, and would appreciate knowing exactly which ones you are talking about.

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Truthseeker's avatar

CAPSULE Tirosint… doesn’t contain all the fillers of the generic … it’s much cleaner

My husband’s Hashimoto genetic type hypothyroid was triggered during the time we were trying to recover our two vaccine injured infant and toddler boys. Was an unbelievably stressful time when he became symptomatic. We tried to control it through diet, exercise and supplements for over a year and half… and he was not himself. He started on this med and it was an immediate positive impact. He’s always been an ideal weight and always exercised … college athlete, etc… but he needed the support of the medication. And he is now feeling great.

The TABLETS are full of additives

See- Table 6. Levothvroxine Sodium Tablets Color Additives

https://www.drugs.com/pro/levothyroxine.html

Now this is a pharma ad- but here’s a testimonial … and I do not want my husband to change and experience a regression… because some insurance company is making medical decisions for him and they don’t even know him. It’s infuriating.

https://tirosintsol.com/

Tirosint-SOL is a unique levothyroxine formulation that contains only 3 ingredients:

-Aza was diagnosed with Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis, an autoimmune disease that can cause hypothyroidism. She tried to treat her symptoms using conventional thyroid hormone tablets, but even with medication, she didn’t feel right. She struggled to put the amount of energy into practice that she needed to keep her game at a high level. After consulting with her doctor, she decided to take a different course and try Tirosint-SOL (levothyroxine sodium) oral solution to treat her hypothyroidism.

Thankfully, Aza’s hypothyroid symptoms are now under control, and she’s back in full swing – both on and off the golf course.

And this was my husband’s experience… he just felt 100% again on Tirosint… so WHY make him change. No good reason unless they want him to suddenly be back in the medical system feeling poorly. 🤯

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My Favorite Things's avatar

Try getting off the medication using diet and supplements. Do some research! There are groups/forums and books which will provide you with information to put your disease into remission as I did.

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Sherry's avatar

Me too!

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Look for a holistic or naturopathic healthcare professional who has alternative treatments or medicines.

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Butterfly2510's avatar

I am hypothyroid. I’ve been on Armour for 20 plus years. In the last five years I’ve really looked to see if I can get off of armour because I don’t want to be on any medicine from any pharmaceutical company because I don’t trust them. (Except ivermectin which has so many accolades and is supposed to be able to heal some types of cancer but that’s besides the point.) Anyway, I recently found a company called forefront health that makes a desiccated, horse thyroid pill, instead of using pig thyroid and they are totally dedicated to research on the thyroid. I do not work for them btw.

At the end of April, I got my thyroid values tested on my own at a walk-in lab, and I ordered the Horse thyroid and in one month (because it does take about a month for the product to get into your system) I will be re-testing myself to see how I’m doing on it. I didn’t ask my doctor. I just did it on my own. I’m feeling fine right now as far as I know. I also ordered a couple of other products from them that supposedly support my thyroid. So, I am very curious to see what happens to my thyroid levels at the end of my first month of being on this new med. As a side note, if it works, I will be spending $20/monthly on this one supplement instead of $60/month!! Gotta love that too being retired!

In addition, I’ve mentioned this on here before, after 100 hours hours of research, getting some additional bloodwork checked outside of what was recommended by my cardiologist and working with a mostly holistic GP I was able to cure myself of a fib! I refused the medicine metoporal, because one of the side effects is that it causes a fib! I’m doing great btw!! IMO, The cardiologists try to scare you when it comes to a Afib saying that you could have a stroke and while you can indeed have a stroke, it’s very unlikely. Not that many people die from a stroke due to a fib. I spent over 100 hours researching this. If you have pre-existing conditions, then you are more likely to have a stroke, however, even the medicine that they give you for a stroke (blood thinners) causes people to bleed internally, and a lot of people die from internal bleeding from the blood thinners but not a stroke. So, we have to quit being afraid of these things, and do our own research. The information is all over the Internet. And we have to work with a natural practitioner to figure out how to heal our bodies. Our bodies want to heal. They are totally capable of healing on their own for the most part, but we have to support that healing by eating the right foods, and possibly taking the right supplements and getting daily exercise which studies show creates positive changes at the cellular level no matter how easy the exercise is or how long you do it!! Peace and health!!

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NofloChick's avatar

Thank you for sharing your story. It’s amazing if you do a little research and consult with a homeo path you can get away from big Pharma. That and eating healthy.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

Get the medication from Canada... Pharmstore. Look them up. Cheaper, free shipping. We've been ordering brand name meds from them for many, many years. Excellent service! Had an issue with a newer med made in India, got a FULL REFUND and, a refill from a better source (not saying that drugs made in India are not safe, our initial order of ivermectin came from there with zero issues). Pharmstore carries pet meds too. Saved thousands of dollars over the years after our insurance co refused to allow brand name meds.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Is that the correct spelling for Pharmatore? It's not coming back on a search, so I'm not sure if it's being suppressed or if there's a typo.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

PHARMSTORE. I CORRECTED THE SPELLCHECKED VERSION... Pharmstore.

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OnTheJump's avatar

Wondering if this may be the site ??

https://pharmaserve.com/

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OnTheJump's avatar

'spell check' is a killer, lol.

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Unapologetically Me's avatar

Try "Pharmastore".

I can't access the site, am in Canada.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

Nope. Pharmstore

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Datagal's avatar

I’m on pig thyroid, which I think is literally just a piece of a pigs thyroid gland? Medicare won’t cover it because it’s a natural medicine.

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Jan Dickmeyer's avatar

I’ve noticed the same. And in addition the supplier ( maker) of supposedly the same drug changes depending on what the pharmacy is supplied with. So origin changes.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

What thyroid med is the least toxic? Asking for my own information regarding thyroid meds. ???

I’m angry for you the stupid useless Ins co is sticking their nose in where it doesn’t belong. We are slaves to TPTB. We try so hard to break free and just when we think we are a little bit more free, they grab us by the ankles and drag us down again. 😠

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Truthseeker's avatar

Tirosint capsules

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Samantha Gluck's avatar

This may be a stupid question, but when people needed Ivermectin and couldn’t get it, they ordered it from India and other places. It was very cheap. Could you get the clean drug through the mail via a foreign country and maybe a lot cheaper? Do you subscribe to The Farm here on Substack? He has a VERY good connection. That’s all I’ll say.

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MaryAnn's avatar

I love alldaychemist for RetinA cream. I also ordered ivermectin from there. Shipping usually costs more than the Rx.

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Kathy Sullivan's avatar

I am very curious to know what thyroid medicine he was on and what they are trying to change him too as I am a longtime Levothroxine taker and they have been messing with the amount of months they will prescribe saying their is a shortage!

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Truthseeker's avatar

Kathy- I posted the info above in the thread

Not sure if you’ll see it automatically…

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Dawn's avatar

Was your husband taking Tirosynt? I know it’s more expensive than the standard alternatives. Maybe this is the reason for the change? After all they are not concerned about what is healthiest.

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Adfdanzer's avatar

Do you happen to have the links to the research you did about the toxicity of the generic? My MIL just told me this weekend she and her dr are being denied the name brand as well, would love to give her evidence and options.

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STH's avatar

Truthseeker please advice what the bad thyroid med is and what the good one is so I can research this. I’ve been on T3 and T4 for decades and am a recent cancer patient. The last thing I want to do is take meds that will increase my risk of the cancer coming back.

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Truthseeker's avatar

Yellow 6 caused adrenal tumors in animals, though that is disputed by industry and the FDA. It may be contaminated with cancer-causing chemicals and occasionally causes severe hypersensitivity reactions. Yellow 6 adds an unnecessary risk to the food supply

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Truthseeker's avatar

Tirosint capsules only have three ingredients

https://tirosintsol.com/

Generic Levothyroxine tablets have a bunch of additives based on the mgs you’re taking

Each Levothyroxine sodium tablet contains the inactive ingredients butylated hydroxyanisole, microcrystalline cellulose, sodium starch glycolate, povidone, colloidal silicon dioxide, magnesium stearate and color additive(s). Table 6 provides a listing of the color additives by tablet strength:

Table 6. Levothvroxine Sodium Tablets Color Additives

https://www.drugs.com/pro/levothyroxine.html

EWG has some Info on some

Of the additives-

https://www.ewg.org/skindeep/ingredients/702432-FDC_Red_No_40_CI_16035_Aluminum_Lake/

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Fortified City's avatar

Oh yeah, if I need stitched up or a broke bone maybe some antibiotics that’s a different matter...

The biggest medical scam ever has been chemotherapy and radiation treatment...

I’m afraid Hell is gonna be half full just from lawyers, doctors and pharmaceutical industry leaders.

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FourWinds's avatar

I have a broken nose (now healed on its own) and never went, so it would have to be something like a leg. Agreed on cancer "treatments". Total scam that has nothing to do with healing. Don't get me wrong, I want to see people with cancer get better, but that's never going to happen with pharma running the show.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

My SIL just did chemo and radiation for breast cancer. She watched the rooms full of cancer patients sitting there getting their chemo day after day. She said it made her so sad. She knows there will never be a cure for cancer. Her treatments cost $1.5 MILLION. She told me yesterday -it’s too big of a money maker. Medical establishment will never allow a cure for cancer. She’s right

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Hell will be overflowing but add in Hollywood and all the corrupt politicians in addition to those you mentioned and they’ll be crawling all over each other like packed sardines!

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Annie's avatar

Agree.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Pathologists and Medical Examiners have historically (before COVID, at least) had the task of diagnosing true cause of death. Sometimes they can see that the death was iatrogenic, caused by the medical 'treatment.' At my first autopsy as a medical student, the 90+ year-old woman was found to have had serious coronary vascular disease (the scalpel made noise as it 'sawed' through the calcifications) and untreated, apparently undiagnosed, breast cancer. One of my fellow students asked how should could have lived so long with those conditions. The pathologist/Medical Examiner replied, "Probably because she didn't go to doctors."

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AM's avatar

But still, she made it to 90+.

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NoWay's avatar

I’m leaning this way too. I think I’d rather just die of whatever I have then let them ‘treat’ me for it.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

I’m with you on that and I’m a healthcare professional with 32 years of acute care clinical experience. The healthcare industry has been taken over by Big Pharma and the federal bureaucracy. It is no longer worthy of our trust and they’ve tossed aside the Hippocratic Oath and the Patient’s Bill of Rights. They’re no longer looking for the best and brightest, they’re focused on diversity and inclusion. It’s sad. I’ll use my knowledge and skills to help any of my family or friends in need.

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AngelaK's avatar

Integrity seenms to be a word and virtue concept which has disappeared from our national lexicon and consciousness.

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Copernicus's avatar

The sad part is what happens when the skilled doctors are gone.

And, what about those times when we truly need a fracture set or appendix removed? Will we be able to trust those doctors to truly know what they are doing? And once the collective, historic wisdom has been lost by carelessness and attrition, how hard it will be to recover it.

This is an awful destruction of a once-beloved profession.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

And a previously well-respected profession!

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Have been thinking same. O Death, where is thy victory

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Eli's avatar

Fortified City -- me too.

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Connie Lemmincakes's avatar

Ditto. Unless I break an arm, no hospitals for me.

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John A George's avatar

Why? Safe and effective!

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Mom in Florida's avatar

I’m just so mad with myself for trusting their bs with my girl’s pediatrician. I trusted him. He trusted them.

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