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I worked as a covid ICU nurse and instead of patients getting turned and having their mouths cleaned every 2hrs like we usually do with intubated patients to help prevent infections. Nurses were told to leave them alone to help prevent the nurses from getting covid. A lot of nurses didn’t want to grown up and getting help to move patients was so hard. The patient would be just be left in the same spot for hours. No family was around to see the conditions these people were in. I was taking ivermectin and not afraid of covid and I would work so hard to get people better. I often times would care for a patient for 4-6 days in a row and the patient would be improving. I’d come back to work and they would be dead. It felt like I was working in the nazi gas chambers.

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One of the things I will NEVER get over is not being able to go into the hospital to see my spouse in 2021, who thankfully did not go on a ventilator and consequently lived to tell the tale. It terrorized me like nothing I've ever experienced. I felt so helpless and was scared they would call at any moment to tell me spouse was headed to ICU. This was 2 years after watching my Dad die in an ICU. It was one of the most cruel, awful episodes of my life. My spouse went to the hospital in an ambulance, with a pulse-ox in the 80s, unable to even express what was going on. How on earth could spouse not have an advocate present in the hospital? I'm a single issue voter from here on out and will NEVER support any candidate who did this to us. And honestly I have a hard time forgiving Donald Trump who teed it all up.

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For me, the worst part about Trumps involvement in this was that even when he realized the course he took was the wrong one (sometime in June/July), he continued it based on the advice of a youngster (Jared K). Supposedly, Jared thought it would hurt his reelection chances. So you have two sins there - listening to someone without sufficient wisdom and experience and no expertise in epidemics (although he is plenty smart), and basing your decision on politics instead of evidence. And he put Pence, a vacuous, shallow, cliche machine, in charge of the COVID task force.

Trump totally effed the management of the COVID scamdemic.

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I like your description of Pence--right on target.

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And he plans to run for President. 🤷‍♀️🤣🤣🤣

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Yes he’s a joke as a candidate especially 🙄

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Neil kellen - I read an interesting Brownstone recently that as Trump moved more toward opening the country spring/summer 2020 the cia stepped in to give him an “important briefing” on just how dangerous this virus was. He bought it hook, line & sinker - & was sufficiently terrified & willing to listen Birx et al.

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Trump was supposed to have a very discerning eye to be able to see through such bullshit.

A briefing from the CIA on a medical epidemic? To me, that almost seems like an admission that it is a bioweapon that was intentionally released.

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Yes, we all need to come to terms with the fact that Trump got rolled hard. For all of his many gifts (and he has them and I am thankful for them), he really was no match for the machinations of the Deep State.

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He was screwed if he did or screwed if he didn't....the DS knew this just like they knew Jan 6th!

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The deep state is much deeper than we can imagine we’re starting to see all the evil come out now.

Trump was mislead by so many evil ones!

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And you would have figured who all the internal enemies aligned against President Trump?

No, I don't think so.

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Playing devil's advocate here:

I am sure they all knew it was a bioweapon and therefore, one can understand the uncertainty and subsequent urgent concern.

No one knew what to expect.

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Yet, that's his primary selling point: taking on/demolishing the Deep State.

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Basically the CIA is in control of everything and has been for a long, long time. While Trump knew about the Deep State and was willing to take them on, I don’t think even he was aware of how deeply entrenched they are throughout the entire government and how massive their reach is. They have thousands upon thousands of agents. In addition, as soon as he was inaugurated they started attacking and destroying his cabinet starting with General Flynn and going after one person after another. The Russian collusion narrative started and he was constantly swimming against the current. He didn’t handle the Covid situation well but he is a businessman with no political experience prior to his presidency and certainly not well versed in medical issues. Besides the majority of healthcare professionals went along with the plandemic and the majority of Republicans did as well, including Ron DeSantis. He made mistakes; he had some people he trusted that he shouldn’t have. But he’s not perfect and the alternative would have been Hil-liar-y aka Killary! We would be much further down the path of destruction and insignificance as a nation if her cheating had been broad enough in the 2016 election which is why they took no chances in rigging the 2020 election. I’m waiting to see how the field plays out before making any proclamations of who I’m voting for. At the rate we’re going now, there won’t be a country left in 2024 and I’m praying for Jesus to come quickly for His church at anytime now.

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These conversations could be a mute point if Dem opponents can’t figure out how to stop election fraud before 2024. Is the plan for this flood of illegals to inflate the census in key areas, that then translates into more Democrats in Congress?

I want to hear the Trump or DeSantis’s plan for managing the deep state, if elected. RFK has my ear, also.

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I wouldn't change who was the President when COVID was released. and agree with much of what you state.

As a leader you are frequently faced with situations that are beyond your expertise. You handle that by inviting many opinions to be voiced and challenging them with questions requiring fact based answers, not emotion, supposition, or fear. In addition to the CIA, he should have brought in dissenting voices from the medical and social disciplines in order to gather enough information to make as good a decision as possible. He didn't do that until it was too late.

In addition, an immutable rule of pandemics is that you first help those who are most vulnerable, then you develop policies based on vulnerabilities based on sub-populations. You DO NOT treat everyone the same. I don't know why this wasn't done, but if Trump were a better leader that would have been done. If he would have picked someone other than Pence to be in charge of the COVID task force (he certainly didn't lead it) it probably would have been done.

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The Russia Collusion Hoax didn't start after 45 took office. It was already a full blown international operation in 2015.

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I guess in order to "drain the swamp", it must be recognized as such once encountered.

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"Trump said his decision to have “turned off” the economy saved millions of lives, later even claiming to have saved billions. He has yet to admit error."

Is it in Donald Trumps character to admit error? He still calls his jabs beautiful vaccines with his typical style.

If he can't admit that people were not saved by policies coming from his administration, from him, what would be the inclination of a voter to vote for him who is aware of the total disaster the public health response was.

I can't go down that road to vote for someone who is not honest with himself or the American people.

Make America Great Again is about honesty and integrity, not politics as usual. If it dose turn out to be a Biden vs Trump, it better be an honest Trump otherwise I see real shit hitting the fan.

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Maybe the CIA confessed that to him; releasing any such info would have added to panic so.... lesser of 2 evils??

I hope one day Trump will write a book - a tell ALL.

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I have the t-shirt with the Trump quote "They're not after me, they're after you. I'm just in the way."

This doesn't make him sound like he was at all "in the way"

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He also rightly said, and has been mocked by the left for it, that it was like the flu and that he predicted it would disappear soon.

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President Trump was surrounded by enemies and the ChiCom virus was an all-out assault. Even after he beat the ChiCom virus himself, they told him to take a jab.

Just venomous traitors revealed day in and day out.

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Can you re-find the link to save the rest of us time? I'd like to read it.

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I totally agree that Trump could have done MUCH BETTER in the covid response. But to be fair, every time he tried to explain about what he was being briefed on (meds to disinfect the body) He was just mocked. Trump is NO doctor or health nut, so he was just being given info he couldn't possibly explain well enough to make much sense. He should have NEVER agreed to close down at all!!!

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I could possibly overlook or forgive this if Trump would admit his error but just like Biden, he never admits when he's wrong. Why won't politicians admit when they are wrong and why won't they change their policy based on getting new info or finding out the current policy direction isn't working? This stubbornness and arrogance are so annoying and dangerous to our freedoms and our country.

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Admission of being wrong, means the DNC Media will tout it every second of every day with "analysis" of the wrong and how wrong it was up to election day in November 2024.

If you haven't figured this out yesterday, start all over.

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DNC Media mean nothing to many people nowadays. Whatever they say, it's the opposite. Whatever they accuse others of, is what the Democrats are doing.

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Yes. We have to stop twisting ourselves into pretzels based on what the liberal junk media might do. They are predictable and nasty and not trusted anymore. We just have to buckle down and focus on who we are and do our thing. Let them rage in a vacuum.

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he should scapegoat Pence and the rest of the WHO/NIHIH/all the deep throat staters who ran with it and short cut the FDA protocols and then pushed for the jabbing of ALL of America and the planet regardless of CoVid's potential threat based on age and condition; and he needs to rip the Biden maladministration who enacted MANDATES to inflict everyone for maximum profiteering and transfer of taxpayer $$$ to Pharma and needlessly endangering our young men and children

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I agree. Trump totally botched the covid response and supporters seem to forget it. Flatten the curve and two weeks to slow the spread started under TRUMP. Then he called himself the father of the vaccine and couldn’t back away from vax support. I believe that played into his ego, though.

Secondly, I cringe when I hear medical freedom. I think it minimizes all our freedoms. We are granted freedom in our bill of rights. The government tried to remove our freedom and each of the unAmerican talking heads in the twitter video should be tried for civil rights violations. Lock them up.

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I'm certainly willing to give Trump some slack on the initial mistakes, the lies were everywhere and it took a while to sort things out.

What is really concerning is that he has never admitted he screwed up. I get it as he views this as a weakness his foes will exploit and he never admits he made a mistake for anything. However, without that we have no reason to know if he really learned from the first term and will do anything different. All we hear is that he was surrounded by snakes (snakes that he appointed or promoted) as if they somehow showed up by magic. It's not reassuring.

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I actually wonder if he will make some sort of admission on the campaign trail. Something like “I trusted the medical

professionals, public health team, and the CIA, I was duped just as you were and it won’t happen again. I have my guard up!”

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Maybe I can interject this here as somehow, in my lost-logic, it seems applicable:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdzW-S8MwbI

Ruminate on....

Later Jay

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It would be a wrong political move. Atleast this is one thing the vaxx loving demoncrats can't hit him about.

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I thought the great thing about Trump was “he’s not a politician.”

So he cares more about how he looks than doing the right thing?

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at this point what President Trump can say is he wouldn't mandate the jab.

at least i don't know his position on mandating the jab....

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The Bill of Rights recognized our God given freedoms and placed limits on the government on infringing upon them. Governments cannot grant natural rights, they can only infringe upon them.

There is a difference between natural rights and civil rights. Natural rights, as recognized in the Bill of Rights, are ours by birthright. Civil rights, on the other hand, exist because of the formation of societies and the agreement of people in them to allow government to manage those civil rights; voting is an example.

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Natural rights are universal and theistic, orderly, benevolent and proper whereas a Darwinian Atheistic view of "naturalistic" rights is amoral, brutal and subjective, exploitative, and enslaving.

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That's a differentiation I have never come across before.

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And how ironic that Javanka want nothing to do with Trump politics now.

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Perhaps Trump finally woke up and realized that he listened to incompetents (corrupt or not). He really needs to acknowledge his mistakes and proclaim that this will never happen again or he very well may not win the nomination.

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Presdient Trump did not "finally" wake but brought on Scott Atlas. It was a war and they intended to ensure 45 was a political casualty and American freedoms would be put on life support and perish.

Folks really slow to "wake up."

Scott Atlas detailed it:

https://www.amazon.com/Plague-Upon-Our-House-Destroying/dp/163758220X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=UIEQGVWAF026&keywords=scott+atlas&qid=1684167047&s=books&sprefix=scott%2520atlas%2Cstripbooks%2C125&sr=1-1

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Don't hold your breath.

Later Jay

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On Trump's last day as POTUS, he awarded Mark Milley, Anthony Fauci, Deborah Birx, etc w medals for their work on Operation Clot Shot. https://twitter.com/jordanschachtel/status/1657777860528963584?s=46&t=d4di1lQ9Ll9HR6E2WWx6uw

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I didn't know that. Awful judgement...

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Woa. Yikes.

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🤮

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He was definitely surrounded with pepfar peeps and medical junta from far and wide…rather telling that pence and scarf lady were teammates on the predicted panic that ensued.

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Jared a WEF puppet.

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Not getting this Javanka reference and although not a fan, it's pretty weird because the medical controls were in the hands of jerks like Mengele Fauci and Scarf Lady Birx. These people deserve a Nuremberg II trial.

Heard about the abuse with vents from someone local and was shocked at the claims people were being purposely abused for the government money leading to death. It was simply unfathomable but it was happening across the country.

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May I add:

The average weight of a guillotine blade is 88lbs and is a height of ~14feet, Just saying, -for future reference and it's a proven concept and effectively utilized before. Viva la France, right?

Later Jay

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Lots have been looking into Wood Chippers lately.

The industrial models are really efficient.

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The horror. And to think that the contraption was originally built by a doctor who wished to devise a compassionate means to end life. I can’t recall the source of that info.

Amazingly enough, the late 19th Century author Charles Dickens brings the horror to life in a most readable and compelling manner, in a Tale of Two Cities. As a student in public education in the 60s-70s in a tiny rural town, I was not educated in the classics, to which there are many references in the novel. I found an online resource dedicated to explaining the references in the book, I think via Stanford, prior to 2020 (the year I consider to be the turning point in the cultural-political cold civil war).

No thanks, not up for the horror. I still think exile and the forfeiture of all material possessions and citizenship is the best punishment for this type of crime. Force the perpetrators to start over in a less friendly environment. The country to which exile is forced should be up to the court, if they still exist when he tide turns.

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unless they have selected Trump and rig the election again, he will never get elected because of his handling of Covid. He basically is running to pay his legal fees.

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Way before COVID, I was present for three hospital admissions for family members, in each of which I noted urgent medical errors and was able to alert staff to intervene. (I'm a physician.) Hospitalized patients need bedside advocates as much as possible.

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Could not agree more. Hospitals are one of the unsafest places to be. What took place during covid was a disgrace, but sadly hospitals appear to have learned nothing.

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Your family is fortunate. ❤

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Totally agree.

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I’m so sorry you and so many other families went through this.

Even on the best day, a family member admitted to the hospital needs a family advocate present for their love one who is sick in the hospital… so this just opened up the possibility of gross incompetence when these patients were left alone.

My father was admitted to the hospital during this time without my mother by his side- which is a disaster because my father can’t hear anything… my mother is basically his full time interpreter.

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These days you should also take another person to regular doctor appointments.

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Absolutely agree!

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My ex almost died after an operation years ago. If I hadn't been able to be present in the ICU to question his treatment and been told by a family member in the medical field that there was a hospital advocate and I should reach out to them, I think his outcome would have been quite different. But even that protocol was removed during Covid. I feel blessed to have learned this lesson year before and was skeptical from the beginning.

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The need for patients to have an advocate present at all times while hospitalized far proceeds covid. By decades.

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I can only imagine how your Mother and Father felt. I feel the frustration and fear from reading your post. I’m sure it doesn’t compare to reality

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My husband was killed in a Florida hospital... we trusted them to help him but the tortured and killed him instead all for MONEY!

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I’m so sorry for your loss.

You know something very bad and dark has transpired when the people who are supposed to help you and heal you… are harming you with mandated protocols and the exclusion of certain drugs that could help.

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they were only "following orders"

and "science" and protocols, and advisement by Pharma and their Insurance underwriters' Legal divisions. A perfect recipe for shielding Guilt while committing crimes against humanity along with playing dumb about the origin of the pathogen and demonizing alternative treatments

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I’m so sorry to hear this! So many people died needlessly. I do pray justice on earth will happen but if not I do know true Justice will happen! 💕

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I'm so sorry.

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Thank you! One day at a time! I’m my husbands voice in the fight for Justice..

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I am so sorry for your loss. 🙏

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Im so sorry you both had to endure this horrible treatment.

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Thank you

Justice is coming I promise you that!

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Bring 'em to their knees. NO mercy!

Later Jay

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Same scenario for my father in 2021. Two weeks without my mother. I truly don’t know how he survived. Came home much thinner, weaker, and with a bed sore on his privates.

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Devastating. I'm so sorry.

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I just listened to Joseph Mercola's May 7 podcast interview about how to make the hospital respect your wishes. There were some great resources referenced.

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The same thing happened to my spouse, AM.

He was in the ICU, and refused the ventilator. I was barred from the hospital and even my priest was refused entry. My husband survived, thanks be to God, but I will never forget the horror of not being allowed to be his advocate.

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Please see what I wrote above. I am a former NICU nurse(did not work in a hospital at all during the pandemic).Hospitals are ordinarily very sensitive to the public's perception of their institution. From what I can see bribery money certainly changed that. They seem to be of the believe that it all can be swept under the rug ,and it will be if people do not document what happened and remind hospitals ,doctors, nurses, pharmacists and elected officials what they did and it will not be forgotten.You hold the power by sharing all the horrific practices they engaged in.

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Wow. That is horrifying. Yet another First Amendment right flushed down the toilet (as if the illness and terror wasn’t bad enough).

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After that kind of treatment, to then see the TikTok nurse videos... I'm surprised we haven't had a movement against the medical industry.

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We are having one. It's just quiet. People are quietly not going to hospitals or doctors anymore. But I know what you mean. Seems it would be more overt and obvious.

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We do have cases in the works and a lot more coming!

We are trying to get funding for a class action lawsuit against Gilead the makers of Remdesivir

We are going to take pharma down for what they did!!!

https://www.givesendgo.com/G6GEZ

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This is evil. Utter evil.

I am angry at the health care professionals who did this but also just furious at the public for SUPPORTING this!

I can’t get over my anger over any of this.

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Know that God will judge accordingly. Not one of them will escape from HIS justice!!!

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Yep same with me! My husband was murdered in that hospital

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😞

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We have cases in the works and a lot more coming!

Right now we are trying to help the attorneys and get funding for a class action lawsuit against Gilead the makers of Remdesivir

We are going to take pharma down for what they did!!!

https://www.givesendgo.com/G6GEZ

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My husband had a certain brain surgery in October 2020 in Jackson Memorial Miami (because of the excellent surgeon)..No family was allowed. I was panicked. The nurses were giving me conflicting information. The poor man couldnt bring a fork to his mouth and they would just leave the tray there. I couldnt even get a private nurse because that wouldnt be allowed. Just an all around horrible experience. I firmly believe that it was the many prayers of others who got him through this nightmare of complications and conflicting information and misinformation.

I realize that some people do not have family and my heart breaks for them, but to actually have an advocate family member and not be allowed their presence to nurse, to help, to advocate, was beyond belief.

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I mean can you even believe this?????? If we hadn’t lived it ourselves it would be hard to believe.

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If I hadn't read the same type of story so many places, it would be hard to believe. It is 180 degrees the opposite of what hospital care has been before.

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I have same problem but I will vote anti Biden. I don’t know what to think of trump. When he cut funds to WHO he directed funds to GAVI an EU affiliate of Gates foundation. Gates funded WHO. Did he not know who gates was? Why would he do that? Why is the US sending funds to EU? What happened to MAGA? All in it together.

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He was played. I don't see how anyone can guarantee he wouldn't get played again, especially when he doesn't seem to have any regrets or pivots from how things were handled. And GAVI is literally Bill Gates. But agree, would NEVER vote for Biden or anyone connected to him. Can't forget how, on the campaign trail, he promised to not do mandates. Then he did a complete about-face. What a POS.

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That's what boggles my mind. His supporters can't see he was either played or in on it. If he was played how on earth can someone think he's going to take down the deep state if he couldn't deal with Fraudcci etc al? Furthermore, I'd be shocked if folks like RFK didn't give him an earful about the medical cartel...

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He was fully informed by those few in the medical community who saw what was happening. He met with them. It wasn’t like he was clueless about the fact that were alternative opinions and options available. That the jabs were not necessary... He had the information from both camps!

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I agree. I just dont know why it is so painstakingly difficult for his supporters to see this. Sigh.

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The Qanon psy-op is very successful.

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Shh. I'm trusting the plan.🤣

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"Trusty the Plan" as Hilary is circling GITMO right now and Huma is wearing an ankle bracelet under house arrest awaiting space for her admission.

The military tribunals will take place soon.

Let me tell you there are people still touting the Qtard grift. Too many and most are on Rumble now. 🐸

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He knows. They are know.

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All in it together. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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My theory

Trump rode on the Lolita express- that’s what I think happened. I think trump was blackmailed by the CIA and Gates…

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I had not heard or thought about that before. I rather doubt it, but at this point I could believe anything except the Q-Anon idiots.

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Document what happened. Write letters to All your elected officials and the hospital and doctors involved. Oh and the nursing administration too.Everyone who experienced this needs to do this.It is easy for them to pretend it never happened .They will try and say that no one complained.They must be be reminded. that real people were harmed by their cruel and bullying policies. In my Republican super majority state of TN the legislature was not able to pass a &*%$# bill that would guarantee the right to have an advocate (Family or friend etc) when hospitalized. Clearly there is a money trail to be followed there.....Check and see if they have put the Patient Bill of Rights back up on the hospital's website.If not make them answer why. Hold them accountable.If they reply with some sanctimonious word salad push back.Make sure you share in your community how she is treated. Most people are not aware of what happened in hospitals and they need to be.

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Completely agree. That is one of my biggest worries as the pandemic fades in the rear view mirror - that people will forget. Governor DeSantis signed a similar bill here in Florida which is yet another reason I’d run through a brick wall for him. But I do need to document this somehow.

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Would be cool to have an event and provide spaces for people to share what their experiences were by writing down or talking and recording.Also to mock them by something like what did you think were the top 3 stupid "covid rules" and have people share(like for ex mask on if you were standing but off to sit or was it the other way around).I think something like that might be a way to wake up some people who just accepted stuff without thinking about the utter absurdity of the "rules".

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I would love this and have plenty of testimony to offer lol. One instance was when my spouse forgot their mask to walk 3 feet to a table just inside a restaurant door. Spouse had to walk a couple blocks back to the car to get the stupid mask, walk 3 feet to a table, only to sit down and take it off again. 🤦‍♀️. Like how did we ever do such stupid stuff.

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It’s beyond ridiculous!!

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Maybe a journalist like Sharyl Attkisson could do a story about these experiences.

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Alabama passed a law ensuring at least 1 person be allowed to stay with a hospitalized patient. Many people didn’t know this; others who did & demanded to stay were lied to telling them that covid basically nullified that law. Actually Covid was the reason that law was passed.

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Thank you for sharing, I did not know this.

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I hope you will also keep in mind the hospital admin, doctors, nurses, physios and aides from many departments who were witnessing and participating in the killing of so many people. We must never forget what they did, never.

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I have complete and utter sympathy for all and everyone who had to endure this horror show. The death of my cousin is part of that horror show by being subjected to absolute control for over a month using Remdesivir (2 courses) and then the death vent. He didn’t get the jab. My cousin’s wife had no say in the matter and was prevented from seeing her husband. She didn’t get the jab. My brother-in-law died (not from the bioweapon) during the lockdown, had limited assistance from hospice nurses and was given last rites OVER THE PHONE and buried without friends and relatives being able to pay their respects. I’ve seen good friends afflicted with turbo cancers and other serious ailments with seemingly no hope for remedies or cures. But I must ask all those who seem to think Trump was responsible for all of it; what do you think he should have done? Whom do you think he should have consulted to get answers? Do you think he didn’t consult those who were theoretically the experts? He was given propaganda by Fauci and all the 3-letter agencies who were the only logical experts. Would Clinton, Bush or Obama have done anything differently? I’ve said this before. There are articles that say Trump actually did more good by fasttracking the “vaccine” and in doing so prevented a very long lockdown which would have caused MORE deaths than the bioweapon. Remember “two weeks to flatten the curve.” Yes, people died from the shots and men and women fight in wars and come home in caskets. Flu kills thousands every year. Who will you blame?

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