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Brett's avatar

You know you’ve found a good doc when you find out he’s been decertified over covid stuff.

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FedUpInOR's avatar

Exactly. Dr Paul Thomas in Portland published a paper in November of 2020 showing fully vaccinated kids had more office visits and diagnoses than unvaccinated kids. His license was removed by the next week via an emergency meeting. I gratefully take my child to his practice which still remains even though others now manage it. He should be multiplied as well. Thousands of kids in his practice benefit from the fact that the office gives true informed consent regarding vaccination and doesn’t just hand parents a paper, hiding behind the vaccine immunity shield.

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jacquelyn sauriol's avatar

Dr. Paul Thomas standing up to the charade of poison injections gives me much strength as I am currently an Oregonian. The data is irrefutable, vaxxes have been killing us for 50+ years. I see that over my lifetime vaxxes and other medical interventions like birth control pills have destroyed the health of my parents, my siblings and myself. Would love to meet you up for coffee, FUIO, if you are near Poortland. Email me at my name all one word at pm dot me if you are game, or just chatting, I have few contacts who are like minded. Best

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SadieJay's avatar

If anyone is in Eastern Oregon (Ontario) or Boise Idaho area, I am down for coffee. POOrtland! POOr you. Good one, but so sad. Used to be a beautiful place, just like Seattle. Now they are Beirut.

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none none's avatar

Maybe we should all start some C&C discussion groups per state. Imagine how much we could help Jeff if we had a group in each state. Just a thought....Would be great to meet and discuss with other C&C'ers in western NC.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Florida has one started!

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Dianne Denson's avatar

I am interested, too. We are currently in Brooksville but willing to drive!

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Farrel's avatar

I am interested in becoming involved. Please let me know who to contact

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dagny awoke's avatar

Sunny, I’m also interested. I saw when this thread went out a few weeks back about meeting but I am in southeast Florida (more accurately I’m a Seattle refugee now living in Southeast Florida haha). Anyone else on the southeast side?

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Wendy's avatar

Would love to know where that group meets 👍

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Connect The Dots's avatar

I'd happily host a get together in AZ!

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VanLife Views's avatar

We’re in Quartzite AZ Connect

Trying to stay warm in our traveling RV

Not sure when we get moving

Let us know if you plan something

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Annie's avatar

I am in SE Pennsylvania.

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Heather LibertyCricket's avatar

I'm in Meridian...

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SadieJay's avatar

Awesome...!! Let's do this.

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VanLife Views's avatar

Hi Sadie

We travel full time in an Rv

We hope to come up to Oregon this summer

Most likely eastern Oregon.

But May make it up to Smith Rock area too.

Would love to meet up with you.

My fiancé grew up and lived in Oregon for half his life (60 now)

We go up in the summer and fall. We did love that Christmas Valley area lots.

In Southern Arizona now

Trying to keep warm. 🌵

Let us know

😃

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SadieJay's avatar

That would be awesome. Idaho is beautiful in May and June too.

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korigon's avatar

I am in Nampa.

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SadieJay's avatar

We should meet up...

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Connie Lemmincakes's avatar

What I always like to mention when talking about vaxs, why does every major and some not so major city need a children’s hospital. Growing up here in Michigan, we had the children’s hospital in Detroit. If your child had an issue, that’s where you took them. Now, there are thousands of them......why??? 💉💉💉💉💉💉💉💉💉💉 x 7+

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Maha's avatar

Children have become sicker as a demographic. In no small part due to de-emphasis of physical activity, toxicity in the ordinary commercial food supply, and of course now, the Childhood Vaccine Schedule. Sick kids are big, big business.

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Barbara ( Portlander😵‍💫)'s avatar

I’m an Oregonian too. Have you considered becoming a PCP to help change the leadership in Oregon. Here in Clackamas county we are doing great things.

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jacquelyn sauriol's avatar

Thanks Barbara, will consider it. Any links? For now I am a Libertarian, as of about 2 years ago. Best and glad to discuss, (my name all one word, at pm dot me)

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Good move, JS. If GOP conservatives and Libertarians will shed the team colors and agree on our Constitutional common ground, we’ll wield real power and won’t keep splitting the conservative vote.

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jacquelyn sauriol's avatar

thanks Reasonable....just, thanks. Heads up.

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Positively Paying It Forward's avatar

Tried your email but no go. Need more clarification. Thx

First & Last name as all one word or just first name? @PM.me? Correct?

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jacquelyn sauriol's avatar

I cannot even see what PCP means, nothing obvious. Pls. what does PCP stand for?

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S.P.H.'s avatar

Precinct Committee Person. The entry level position to local politics and involvement, in your own neighborhood. https://www.clackamascountyrepublicans.org/

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Maha's avatar

I'm glad you said that. In my world, it means Primary Care Provider. :-)

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Positively Paying It Forward's avatar

Barbara,

We should have C&C Chapters everywhere just like RFK Jr.’s Children’s Health Defense. I’m in for meetings in the newest “rust belt” city of the west coast, aka: Poortlandia.

Are you in the PDX area, interested in a PDX coffee gathering, say Saturday mornings? Reach back if interested. Thx

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jacquelyn sauriol's avatar

maybe PGP?

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Positively Paying It Forward's avatar

I agree with everyone. We should have C&C Chapters everywhere just like RFK Jr.’s Children’s Health Defense. I’m in for meetings in the newest “rust belt” city of the west coast, aka: Poortlandia.

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Kathryn Caldwell's avatar

Pam Popper and MAFA are supporting Dr. Paul Thomas with a fund raiser on April 1st, I believe. I agree Dr. Thomas should be multiplied as well.

I am in SW Washington state and like the idea of state discussion groups. It would be great to meet some other like-minded C&C'ers!

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Positively Paying It Forward's avatar

Kathryn,

We should have C&C Chapters everywhere just like RFK Jr.’s Children’s Health Defense. I’m in for meetings in the newest “rust belt” city of the west coast, aka: Poortlandia.

Are you in the PDX area, interested in a PDX coffee gathering, say Saturday mornings? Reach back if interested. Thx

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Kathryn Caldwell's avatar

Hi Walking the Dog! Thanks for the comment and hopefully there are lots of people in the Portland area that might be interested in coffee meetings on Saturdays. I am not close enough to the Portland area to attend on a regular basis. But maybe some will!

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Positively Paying It Forward's avatar

Thx. Stay connected to Jacquelyn (see above) as she’s hosting at a coffee shop right off I-5. Best

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Jennifer's avatar

I wonder if I know you! I had several friends who had him as their pediatrician when we lived in Oregon. :-)

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Barry "Bear" Goss's avatar

I'm still in southern Oregon, with the plan soon to leave (permanently). Did you land, presumably, somewhere in the south / southeast part of the US of A?

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Jennifer's avatar

We moved from south of Portland (we lived in Portland when we had our first kid and I had lived there for almost 20 years at that point, since college) to Kentucky in May 2021. We have absolutely loved Kentucky. Very friendly, great homeschooling community, wonderful place to raise our kids so far. Beautiful land. I was able to stop wearing a mask as soon as we got here and we felt less vaccine pressure (it was still here, of course, but my husband was granted an exemption praise God -- he would NOT have gotten one at his job in Oregon, I'm sure).

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Barry "Bear" Goss's avatar

I have personal experience in Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia—just not Kentucky. All great areas, thou, to live where people value home-spun wisdom, personal liberties and self-reliance.

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Michael Framson's avatar

I'm in Medford, love coffee (too much) and a day without C&C is not as good as a day with C&C.

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Barry "Bear" Goss's avatar

Well, well, well -- my fellow Medford-ian.... I digeth coffee 🍵 too. Hit me up if you want to meetup sometime. I'm currently in a old historical building, downtown, near the Craterian Theater.

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Michael Framson's avatar

Well, well, well,.........well. Will see if I found you via a website? You're probably not far from Solid Grounds.

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FedUpInOR's avatar

Maybe. I live in the greater salem area and only started going to the practice in 2021

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Monterey's avatar

What is the practice called?

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FedUpInOR's avatar

It’s called Integrative Pediatrics in Portland, OR

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Positively Paying It Forward's avatar

Integrative Pediatrics. Near St Vincent Hospital in W Portland

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TRM's avatar

99% of these medical "professionals" went along with the lie that there were no early treatments. They let their patients suffer and die needlessly. Now they let children suffer and die needlessly by not speaking out against injecting them with the covid "vaccines" when there is no benefit to the child or anyone else. All for a paycheck.

The doctors who stood up for early treatment are real doctors. The rest are just "Mengele's".

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rolandttg's avatar

never forget the only difference between a doctor, a lawyer, and a stock broker is the doctor wears a lab coat over his suit. You are just a $ sign to them. Jeff is the exception to the rule for low lawyer scruples, but at the end of the day, the plandemic has shown doctors have morals that make used car salesmen look good

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Vivette Cardenas's avatar

Honestly most doctors are good people trying to help their patients. Problem they face today is so much of medicine is controlled by “boards” and insurance companies forbidding them to treat their patients to the best of their ability. Add to that the daily, and constant, pressure from the legal profession threatening to sue. It’s a high pressure job that they do to help, not to become rich. They work long grueling hours that most folks simply could not handle. I know. I’m both the daughter and the wife of a physician so I live their exhaustion and frustration as they navigate the minefield medicine has become. This after 14 years of training and 10 years of paying off loans. A typical day is 12+ hours of nonstop work with no lunch break, except what is taken to eat on the run then coming home and spending another hour or so on the computer reviewing records and preparing for the next day. And we’ve moved to a clinical setting away from the hospital setting so our schedule is much better!

Now we wonder if we will ever be able to retire as this govt seems determined to destroy everyone’s lives so they can control us completely. Still we do the best we can and will until we cannot do so anymore.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I’d like to believe that *most* are as you say, but unfortunately I have seen too many who only seem to want to follow government agency and medical association protocols and not think for themselves. I have been very jaded by doctors I trusted (and stories of doctors friends and acquaintances trusted) making recommendations contrary to the patients’ best interests. I feel for the bind doctors are in, but if I can’t trust that their recommendations and treatments are based on what is best for the patient, and that they will bow to pressure from insurance companies, hospitals and government agencies every time, I’m not sure what use they are. I wish I could find a doctor I could trust again but I am afraid that might be impossible 😕

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

I got very skeptical about medical training when a young wanna-be-dentist told me about his “office management” course. His takeaway was “fill your appointment calendar into the future.” Like, book me for a cleaning every six months instead of once a year. I want medical professionals to succeed, but I want them to fill a need, not a tooth that doesn’t need filling. Not long after that, I had an appointment with a young GP who giddily told me his wife was also an MD and they were well on their way to early retirement. I decided then and there I wouldn’t help them any further.

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Vivette Cardenas's avatar

Yep. There are good and bad in every profession!

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Roger Beal's avatar

Start by searching out osteopathic providers in your area. They do not limit themselves solely to pharmaceutical "remedies" nor just treat symptoms.

As a rule they seek to find causes of problems, and treat them with a broad approach that may include "natural" remedies that have centuries-long track records, or with "repurposed" compounds used off-label.

It is not by accident that Chinese society has survived for over two millennia, using non-pharmaceutical treatments.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I have a chiropractor in mind that I would love to see, but the up front fees and long term commitments are a little much for me right now 😕 I understand the model of care and why it’s that way but it isn’t very financially feasible for me at the moment.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Check out the physician list on this group's website:

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

https://aapsonline.org/

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RunningLogic's avatar

Thank you!!

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Vivette Cardenas's avatar

Yes I get that too!! Understand that too much is out of their hands. It’s crazy and frustrating but if they go “against protocol” they are in danger of losing their license or worse. This is why I said the practice of medicine is now in the hands of boards and insurance companies. If they do treat in spite of the rules then they stand the risk of a malpractice lawsuit so they navigate carefully between what they are “allowed” to do and what they feel is best all the while having their “allowed time allotment” for each patient monitored. The medical organizations that are supposed to help have become political and are no help at all.

Future doctors are being trained to parrot the narrative so I only see things getting worse. The old adage - take 2 aspirin and call me in the morning may be your best bet!

Still we can our part by eating well and exercise so that the care you need is minimal!

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Gram's avatar

..."to the best of their ability"... most often means per the education they received in medical school, which is trauma-based mind control indoctrination by Big Pharma who funds all the traditional medical schools and continuing education and business seminars.

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Vivette Cardenas's avatar

It certainly is becoming this way which is tragic. Personally we’ve been practicing for over 30 years so our training is quite different from what’s being taught now. Of course the real world will be a hard crash for these docs in training now. We did the old fashioned 24-40 hour shifts grabbing naps as able. Now the hours are limited but guess what?!! Medicine takes no breaks and watches no clocks. You can’t just leave in the middle of something just because your “shift” is over. We laugh now but when my husband was in his residency and then fellowship we figured his salary was about $1 and hour! As in all fields, reality bites when you’re in it!!

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RunningLogic's avatar

I think your husband sounds like one of the last of the good and decent ones ❤️ Wish more old fashioned docs were out there practicing.

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Shari Ray's avatar

Sounds good… wish it were true’

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Lincoln's avatar

TRM, or these medical professionals were EMPLOYED by hospital corporations and were FORCED to follow protocol. Follow the money...hospital accepts government Medicare money...hospital forced to follow government (CDC) regulations...or hospital loses millions upon millions of government money...employed doctors MUST comply. Doctors like Florida’s wonderful Dr. John Littel are SOLO practitioners, not beholding to the government...so our government has to “get them” other ways.

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STH's avatar

If they all would have stood their ground together, this farce would have been over before it started. But they were not brave enough.

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Credenda's avatar

Forced to follow protocol, employed doctors MUST comply, just doing their jobs……..echoes of Germany in the 30’s. I’m sorry, I have little sympathy for doctors who chose to stay with the herd rather than putting peoples lives first.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yup. These kinds of situations really bring out who has principles and is ready to stand up for them, and who finds excuses to cower and comply.

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jacquelyn sauriol's avatar

FORCED at gunpoint? no. FORCED financially? yes. So they sold out for the money.

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Red Canyon Gal's avatar

I dunno. When you have the government doing the forcing, is that not a threat at the end of a gun?

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Sunlover's avatar

I don’t know - here in Canada, we were all told that we had a “choice” to say no and that with “choices” there are always “CONSEQUENCES”. It’s bad in this country. The masses are brainwashed. Americans, stand your ground!!!

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M2's avatar

No. I had the government forcing me and I said no. Even to the possibility of ever working in my field again

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RunningLogic's avatar

No one ever tried to push it to that point, they just capitulated immediately 😕

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TRM's avatar

"these medical professionals were EMPLOYED by hospital corporations and were FORCED to follow protocol" - They went along to get along, even when they knew it was wrong to collect their paycheck. They had a choice and made it. They are nothing but Mengeles now.

That does NOT absolve doctors from their responsibility in this episode of "medical mass murder". 90%+ of the people who took the shots cite their doctor telling them it was "safe and effective" as the prime reason.

The medical professionals who went along did the "Amber Heard" in the bed and now they get to sleep in it. No sympathy from me for these gutless cowards who have no morals or ethics.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Some definitely did the “Patty Hearst.”

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daverkb's avatar

The Dr. Mengele comparison is a bit brutal. But it is more than fair ... and I am glad you said it. However, and presumably, Dr. Mengele knew exactly what he was doing, experimenting and playing with people lives as though he were God. But, and not withstanding, my biggest shock was that our own PCP told us that everyone should get the shots and that he had investigated and read the literature. You see, he listened to the health authorities and read the Big Pharma handouts and/or maybe ... some fake medical journals. And we should just trust him. So what was the big shock? It's that he believed all the nonsense when mRNA itself screams out loud ... Medical Experiment!

And PCP? That designation once upon a time used to be just ... 'our family doctor'. Primary Care Provider? How dumbed down rigor mortis cold is that? See how they have dehumanized us with their foul labeling?

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TRM's avatar

The vast majority of the medical profession took the shots. They are true believers and will suffer the fate that they have inflicted on others. Dr Mengele also truly believed he was helping to improve the human species. True believers are the worst type of war criminals as they will never stop.

Even the cult crazed jab junkies of the medical profession must be getting worried by now. Over at Dr Makis' site (makismd.substack.com) he is tracking Canadian doctors who've "died suddenly". The shocking part is the number of young doctors dropping dead. It's at 132 just for Canada.

A lot will end up like this one from down under.

https://i.postimg.cc/1zC9xBN1/Not-Important-Enough-Wilson-Chin.png

Bill C-36 in BC, Canada, will render doctors pin cushions 4 times a year!!!

https://www.jccf.ca/justice-centre-expresses-concern-about-british-columbias-bill-36/

Will they finally find their morals, ethics & spine now that their life is on the line? I doubt it and while I don't wish vile health on others as it's just bad karma, I don't feel sorry for them. They let their patients suffer and die for 2 years withholding early treatments and now they won't speak out to stop the needless deaths of children. They have, and will continue to, let kids & adults suffer and die needlessly just to collect a paycheck. Their immoral, unethical, spineless obedience is being rewarded with an unending series of injections that will maim and kill lots of them.

They are whores for the pharma cartel and now they find out what pimps do to their ho's.

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daverkb's avatar

Here's the thing. And I betting on this ... that if one very elderly fully propagandized female cousin (wife side of the family) in a fully propagandized family also all jabbed up blurts out over lunch, "Do you know that the lot of young people are dying from the shots", then surely the doctors (lots of them) are also noticing. So, will they all admit it out loud? I doubt it given doctors are the biggest Know It Alls on the planet. But rest assured. They know. And the genie is not going back into the bottle.

It will be interesting how it all plays out. And also, what the next Cretin move will be? My guess it that when things get unbearable for 'them' that they will attempt to swamp the canoe again with a new Health Terror campaign. And then, what will generate the bigger fear? Fear of shots, fear of the Health Tyrants? Or the new, perhaps even more lethal, bioweapon? Too many variables however to speculate.

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Fla Mom's avatar

The young docs, many, probably most, of whom have crushing debt from medical school and earn a pittance during long years of residency, are watching what has happened to doctors like McCullough, Marik, Kory, Gold, Littell, etc., and thinking about how they would pay off that crushing debt absent their board certifications or medical licenses. I am hard on the more senior folks, and I get that principle and integrity should be anyone's top concern, but the young ones are in a very tough spot.

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daverkb's avatar

Good point!

In one of the market analysis I read today, there was something about doing business is getting harder and harder due to the collapse of a moral and just law order. Basically, a country devoid of law descends into chaos. This is now being recognized as a huge systemic problem by the business sector. So, it's not just the doctors, nurses and so on.

The article had to do with the recent bank problems, at least illustratively. But indeed, it is across the board, and it's not just ESG infiltration control. Intimidation clearly is now a formidable wielded instrument of power in the hands of Evil. And as you say, Terror Control though board certifications and licenses ... more of the same hell.

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TRM's avatar

The young doctors are mostly in it for the money. They did a survey of students in several Canadian med schools and "Money" was the #1 item for 75%+ of the students.

I understand their predicament but if you are not going to stand up for your right to bodily autonomy then when will you? Never is the sad but true answer.

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TRM's avatar

They are talking up "bird flu" and Dr Redfield said that "they" were going to release another one that would be worse.

Very true the "bigger fear" statement. Most people go along with whatever scares them the most. They are so afraid of losing a paycheck they give up all rights and take shots they don't need. It is becoming so obvious that 80%+ of people are not getting any more shots. The fear of dying has outdone their fear of losing their paycheck. Pity they didn't just stand their ground in the first place.

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Dawn B's avatar

It is not that docs intend to hurt, but that they follow orders and do not question them.

Just like any other gov controlled entity, like schools... The administrators just do what they are told, or they get the boot.

Gov has too much control and most people do not see it because we "think" we have choices or freedom. It has always been this way.

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Gigi Gummerson's avatar

This became much worse after the Affordable Care Act, we had to change doctors, plans, everything! AND got worse care and started paying much more for a horrible plan (self employed). It’s absolutely horrible what Obama et Al did to medical “freedom” 😡

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Dawn B's avatar

I remember now that my insurance didn't even pay 100% for my 1x a year mammo or bloodwork.

Obama doesn't care....

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Jessica Libolt's avatar

Yep. My doctor here in Washington state has had threats against his license because he dared to actually treat people Covid. He also recommended against the vaccine for anyone under 30 and said only those in the high risk category should get it. He no longer recommends it for anyone.

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Lindsay.'s avatar

God Bless your doctor for his strength and bravery. Washington State department of health and medical boards are scary and so politicized. We who can in WA need to go to the DOH meetings and speak up. I heard that the last meeting was full of masked people mad at the WA DOH for dropping the healthcare mask mandate April 4, 2023. Yikes!!!

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Jessica Libolt's avatar

This state is crazy bananas. When I leave my cute little conservative town, I’m stunned at the number of masks I see still! The stupidity & brainwashing is truly shocking.

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Lindsay.'s avatar

It is bananas. I am basically on the boarder of Idaho, so not too many masks. I only see a lot of them if I run into Trader Joe's!

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lynn's avatar

When I visit Washington State to see family............its shocking how insane and demonic people are especially in the city of Bellingham. Very very demonic filled state.

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Lindsay.'s avatar

The west side is pretty bad. I think I've been to the west side only twice in the last 3 years. And that was two times too many!

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Transcriber B's avatar

Lucky you are to have such a doctor!

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Did you take notice that GiveSendGo will not allow you put in any CENTS in the amount..so I just had to make sure that the last "dollar" figure was a "2".

Also...did you notice that the fund drive is already at over $124,000 (and the stated goal was $100,000) for legal fees.

WAY TO GO EVERYONE who believes in PERSONAL and MEDICAL FREEDOM TO CHOOSE.

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Peter 🔒's avatar

I saw it at $129k and still donated. Jeff and Dr. John Littell deserve it.

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Annie's avatar

I did a number ending in 2 but rounded up to give to givesendgo.

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Fla Mom's avatar

I think they'll keep the two amounts separate, so you'll still be counted in the C&C group. I did the same.

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Transcriber B's avatar

1000%

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RunningLogic's avatar

Actually I far prefer Moe’s sense to Fauci’s 😆😁

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Corkey's avatar

Yeah at least Moe realized he was a freaking idiot.

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RunningLogic's avatar

He did it for laughs and he wasn’t evil like Fauci, just playing a scheming numskull character instead of actually being one 😆

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Donna  P's avatar

Wish we had some in N.C.

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Annie's avatar

That's a badge of honor confirming you are a real doctor. One of integrity, intelligence and compassion.

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CuiBono?'s avatar

🙌🏼😁

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Words Beyond Me Janice Powell's avatar

Less than two weeks ago, before I scheduled a test, I called my local hospital to see if they still required masks. I was told they did. I then wrote a letter to the administrator informing him or her that I would not be scheduling any appointments until they dropped the “useless and absurd” mask requirement. Yesterday I received a handwritten note on hospital stationery from the radiology department manager thanking me for my letter and stating he agreed about the “useless and absurd mask requirement,” and that he was happy to say it had been dropped. He also stated he hoped I would schedule appointments again in the future. Progress!

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Jaci's avatar

Great job...I wish more would stand up for themselves. I was told to wear a mask for a procedure and said no...studies have proven...enough of the sheep mentality. I have been fighting since 3/2020 and am weary of it all. I am very sorry for the many who rushed to get a shot because they might not get theirs. Everything was orchestrated to perfection to mess with our minds as they have been doing forever!

Now I wonder how so many masks were manufactured and who benefitted from that mandate.

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Donna  P's avatar

China benefitted, that's who. Everything is made in China now, With few exceptions.

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daverkb's avatar

And their Majesties the Geniuses funded the growth of China the Workshop of the World with fake US debt Treasury obligations in the trillions. And just another way we were all screwed by the fake criminal Central Banking Syndicate, branch office the Fed in the US. And their hirlings in the captured 'governments'.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Why did we so quickly settle for cheap and dangerous “made in China” products? We had a choice for a while. Once upon a time, we quit buying “made in Japan” until they gave us quality. Cheap does as cheap is. The starter rope broke on my Chinese generator after one season, the plating flakes off Chinese galvanized nails, the handles recently fell off my Chinese ice chest, the rubber cushion strips peeled off my Chinese Bluetooth speaker the day I took it out of the box, and the Chinese flu has caused the death of millions. Facts aren’t racist. If our govt will let you and you take the plunge, some of you entrepreneurial types will serve a lot of people very well and make a fortune producing good old American-quality products. Most of us will pay the cost for quality if we can find it.

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daverkb's avatar

This is actually a good question, and one I've asked myself. My responses are tentative. And moreover, I believe there is no one simple fits all sizes answer.

I have noticed that the Powers That Be favor consolidation of existing units into ever larger and larger units. This goes on all the time, and we saw an element of this in the covid consolidation of 'essential businesses' versus expendable businesses which were shuttered. In simplistic terms, the small fry are expendable but the big fry either get consolidated and/or favored politicized survival status. Why is this? For one because big corporations are far easier to place under total state control than are hundreds of thousand small to medium sized family controlled businesses. In another incarnation of this phenomenon, interests rates are now being pushed up allegedly 'to control inflation' ... as we are told. But if controlling inflation were the real objective, then banking institutions reserve requirements would be raised and money wrung out of the system. Raising interest rates is really about balance sheet impairment so as to facilitate bank consolidation, the folding of smaller units into larger ones. Also, with SVB ... it was crypto deposits which were NOT made whole. And I just read that any banks taking over impaired banks are told to steer clear of crypto as a condition of the take-over. So there can be other agendas in play (just as there was in the Health Terror covid instance). I now note this and now monitor to see if this 'no crypto' thing is an emerging trend or not. One never knows for sure. And most of this stuff has to be inferred by patterns seen as none of this stuff is carried out in a straight forward manner.

Another thing is that expanding government and taxes priced domestic business out of the international markets. American business were forced by government policy de facto to off shore. It was either this or go out of business. Was this a 'master plan' or not? It does not really matter. What matters is that if one wants to re-industrialize America, then government and the tax policy has to be restructured. Seriously! And Smaller is, in this case, Beautiful.

Who first brought in the Chinese products? It was the big box companies like Walmart initially. And this gets back to consolidation, economies of scale ... and in some way or another, a greater control with less product choice. And one cannot conceived of all of this without consideration of the evils of central banking based upon imaginary, infinitely plastic units of account. To wit, Fake Money. The Fake Money Industry (central banking) is the top tier master control mechanism.

It is all too much to figure in minute detail. But quite obviously, Woke Marxism is not working anymore in the West than it did in the Soviet Union. And ironically, we'd be better off imitating the Federation Russians who have managed to place their economy on a sound footing. But Woke/NeoCon death cult madness will never permit sanity to rule. Therefore, these people have to go ... otherwise having normal productive lives based upon sound economy will be next to impossible to achieve.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Agreed. Economy of scale is great for efficiency and lower consumer prices, but the cost is lower quality and the demise of family farms and small businesses. Throw in an unhealthy dose of fear porn, and the sheeple STILL run to a ruling system relentlessly driving down our freedom and standard of living. Maybe we should get ahead of the curve, lower our own standard of living, and get as self-sufficient and far off the grid as possible. It's all vanity anyway. I prefer liberty, the woods, and rice and beans to Big Ugly Brother controlling my speech and spending habits. Where is “west” now that so many of us want to go there for elbow room? If we can't clean house, we should morph the great reset into the Great Bugout.

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daverkb's avatar

It's a mess. It fries my brain to a crisp ... and then I have to give it a rest. I'm at that point now. So I got my classical guitar out. I can't really play it. But it does make some nice sounds now and then. And I enjoy it much.

Myself? I am really a Patrick Henry kind of man! And I often have wondered. Who has all the Unreasonable Horses and what do they do with them?

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NCBrowncoat's avatar

It’s not only mask makers and pushers that benefitted - remember all the plexiglass, all the signage, all the one-way arrows on the floor? I predicted that everyone who profited from all the things would not want them to end and would fight to keep them. In good news, a local grocery store near me tore down all the plexiglass dividers at at the checkout stands yesterday. Progress!

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RunningLogic's avatar

That’s great to hear! In my area they have been gone for months now, maybe even over a year, I can’t even remember! So glad for all of this idiocy to go away but we need to make sure it NEVER comes back!!

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Roger Beal's avatar

They waited until March 2023 to do that? Baaaaahhhhh baaaaahhhhhh baaaahhhhh.

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

Thank you Jaci and Janice for standing up. If we don't do it, who will?

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Amuzed_Traveler's avatar

I thought I’d broken a rib late last year going over the bars on my mountain bike in Sedona. Both the hospital emergency room and urgent care I went into said they required masks. I refused. At the urgent care I video taped the dr in charge as I asked him “I need emergency exam but you’re refusing to treat me if I don’t wear a mask?” Which he confirmed, on tape. Incidentally, no one in the facility had a mask on until after I walked in. I wasn’t going to give in, but at the same, I really thought I could feel the ends of the rib rubbing against each other. Went back to the hospital emergency room and told them I would consent to putting on a mask, but under duress. I asked for a pen and paper and wrote a statement to that effect and asked the Dr in charge to please sign it. He refused. “Why? What part of that statement is untrue?” Ultimately, he relented and checked me out, but he sure didn’t like it.

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Annie's avatar

Amen. Tptb relied on submissive compliance and just plain old caving to the pressure to keep these mandates going. Do your best to not patronize or comply. Keep the pressure up. Never forgive and never forget.

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CindyArizona's avatar

I had an annual eye exam scheduled for yesterday morning. When the office called the day before to confirm I asked if their mask requirement was still in place. When she replied that it was I asked her to cancel my appointment as I refused to comply with useless and ridiculous orders. The woman on the phone said, “I totally understand and agree but we don’t set the policy. The medical group who owns the building sets the policy”. Until more people simply refuse to comply they’ll keep getting away with this insanity.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I would ask them if their policy is in writing.

Do they have an end date to the mask mandate?

Do they respect religious or medical exemptions in not wearing a mask?

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Roger Beal's avatar

Frankly, who gives a d*mn about "in writing", or "exemptions".

If a practitioner's office is so ignorant as to continue the charade, WALK AWAY.

We still have options in this country ... for a year ot two more at least.

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Gabriella's avatar

I too need to have an eye exam. I need new glasses. I plan on making an appointment at my optometrist office which is independently owned and not in a medical building. I plan to show up not intending to wear a muzzle. Not gonna ask before hand about their muzzle policy. If I am refused care I will let them know I will take my dollars elsewhere. There are other offices where they do not require masks. Vision Works, I know is one.

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I have to take my mom to her eye doctor. She’s had the same one for about 30 years (started with the dad and now the daughter) and they’ve kept her macular degeneration from making her blind, so I don’t want to switch, but she wears a mockery of a mask when we go.

I took old bandannas and sewed ear loops on them. She hooks the loops over her ears and lets the bandanna hang down like a bank robber. Absolutely no one could ever think it’s accomplishing anything, but they don’t say anything to her. 🤪

The best part? The bandanna is the face of a tiger. 😛

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Annie's avatar

Good for you. 👏👏

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

VA denies medical care to veterans not wearing a mask.

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Words Beyond Me Janice Powell's avatar

Like they needed another reason not to be cared for. 😡

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Waiting for the stupidity to stop.

Guess I will have a long wait.

And I am supposed to trust their medical opinions?

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Words Beyond Me Janice Powell's avatar

Yes, the idiocy makes you question all of their knowledge.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Yes, considering it says right on the box of masks that they do not prevent you from getting covid.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Oh - so you can read Chinese, eh? HA.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

should see a doc about something, needs to be taken care of in person, but will try anything to not go! My old doc retired and I am wary like most of us, to go.

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KellyJo's avatar

I can understand your reluctance due to a lot of doctors having hidden agendas. Search FLCCC Alliance to find doctors throughout the U.S., who are saving lives. Be sure to look at Treatment Protocols & I-Care, as there is a lot of helpful information there, as well. This was the site we used to find Dr. Littell. Don’t give up. You’ll find someone who really wants to help you and your family!

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Red Canyon Gal's avatar

Remember alternative practitioners. Naturopathic doctors get more schooling than allopathic docs. Chiropractors, functional doctors, acupuncture and many other modalities can make a big difference in health. Yeah, you have to pay for them. You get what you pay for.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

that too. And they are far away. The closest 2 hours drivng, 1500 bucks a year just to 'be part' of their group. A friend went to an alternative doc and they sent her on a merry go round of others because they did not know what she had, prescribed her thyroid meds, antidepressants, heart meds, without doing any tests, all dangerous meds even in the alterntives. She is in menopause and probably it is just that, but no one said that, they just milked her same as allopathic docs. Will probably go to the first aid clinic close by. If I don't like it, I just get out and go home again!

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Roger Beal's avatar

A/K/A osteopaths. Same concept: Find the cause, do not just treat the symptoms. Use any and all tools in the box to do so, regardless of "offlabel" restrictions.

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Fla Mom's avatar

In addition to FLCCC docs, you can look for docs who do integrative or functional medicine. Another organization you might try is the Association of American Physicians & Surgeons:

https://aapsonline.org/

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

thanks ! I will keep the link and check them out. May be one is in shorter distance!

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RJ Rambler's avatar

😭

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Connect The Dots's avatar

I haven't had to wear a mask for a couple of years… but if for some reason I do, I will write "Watch the movie Idiocracy" on it.

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Befferz's avatar

Shameful.

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Transcriber B's avatar

Thank you for protesting.

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Birdingmom's avatar

A couple of days ago, I made an appointment for my annual dermatology check. My husband had been there recently and the clinic was still demanding face diapers be worn. He is compliant. I am not and have an ADA exemption. When I made the appointment, it ended up being with the doctor who owns the practice and my husband said, "you better call back and find out if he's going to honor your exemption." So I did and was told he would not honor it. I had to make an appointment at another location 40 minutes away in order not to have my rights violated. I told the person at the office to tell her manager (whom she had checked with) that Dr. M needed to get with the program and start following the science, citing the CDC and the Cochrane Library's meta analysis. He won't change and I will file a complaint with the ADA - which they will decline to pursue again I'm sure. Maybe I should write my own note to Dr. M?

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Words Beyond Me Janice Powell's avatar

I figured since logic hasn’t seemed to work, then letting them know they would not be getting money just might. My guess is in my situation the timing was such that it was already going to be dropped. I don’t know that for sure. But I do know that money talks.

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daverkb's avatar

Doing nothing for sure doesn't work. But what you did applied pressure. And I am thankful you did.

Money is pressure. Protest is pressure. Political action is pressure. Litigation is pressure. And many, many more things. And this fight? It's Right and Wrong. Good or Wickedness. At this point, our only option is to resist ... or else cooperate in our extinction.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

In Pennsylvania, you can file a complaint against anyone who is required to have a license to work in the state. I would think most states have the same option.

The state would notify the doctor that a complaint was filed against him. An investigator would do an investigation. Probably nothing would be done except for maybe being "counseled."

At least there will be a paper trail and will hopefully scare the crap out of him.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Wow. This is awesome!

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RunningLogic's avatar

That is fantastic!! Thanks for taking this initiative (I wouldn’t have thought of it, personally!) and for sharing this bit of encouraging progress!

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Fla Mom's avatar

I wonder if the staff were delighted to get your letter, to use as evidence against their own idiotic administrators. Perhaps it's a tactic more of us should use, for any appropriate situation, not just masks.

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Monterey's avatar

Love the successful activism!

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daverkb's avatar

We like Janice! :) and go going!

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Words Beyond Me Janice Powell's avatar

Today I went to a lab in a different hospital system and there was a "Masks Required" sign on the door. But this rebel just waltzed in there without one and no one said a thing.

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Birdingmom's avatar

A woman after my own heart!

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Matthew's avatar

Congrats!

If More people speak up like you did, mandates will continue disappearing.

This 2013 RCT found reduced empathy in the doctor-patient relationship from mask wearing.

https://bmcprimcare.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2296-14-200

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Birdingmom's avatar

Thanks for the link. I may include it with others. He prides himself on positivity which is ironic as he insists on dehumanizing his patients.

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Words Beyond Me Janice Powell's avatar

Funny how the medical community used to know stuff. :D

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RunningLogic's avatar

Great link!

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Beth Golden's avatar

For for you!!!

IT WORKS!

STANDING UP AGAINST THIS NON SENSE!

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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

Jeff, you may want to connect with Dr. Scott Jensen about Dr. Littell’s case as Scott just beat the Board of Medical Practice’s FIFTH attempt to strip his medical license:

https://twitter.com/AlphaNewsMN/status/1639415115928809474

If I were at the COVID Litigation Conference, I would hug you and Pierre and Steve and Meryl and Lucia and Robert and Paul Marik 🤗 (there are others I would hug out of gratitude but whom I haven’t yet connected with, so I left those off my list :-)

I think you’d appreciate this tweet from the Vaccine Safety Research Foundation sharing Defeat the Mandates’s tweet about Pierre Kory’s tweet about Tess Lawrie’s and my video collaboration on “Mistakes Were NOT Made: An Anthem for Justice” (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/mistakes-were-not-made-an-anthem-57a) [that was a mouthful]:

“It was not a mistake and we will hold them accountable. Join us March 25-26. http://CovidLitigation.com” (https://twitter.com/VacSafety/status/1637824400819998722)

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Jean James's avatar

I just saw that about Dr. Jensen, such great news!

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes, that is very encouraging!!!

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Sal_Peenx's avatar

It is an awesome video!!!!

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Le Petit Mondinet's avatar

Morning Jeff from SW France. Careful not to fall into the MSM narrative on 'pension reform' which is indeed an issue. But it is more the insult to the injury aspect on top of the last three years / fourth reich Covid fraud and the lurch towards Rothschild led neo-liberal banksterism. The 'deplorables' are furious and rightly so, but it's not solely about retirement age. Don't forget France was also divided by state propaganda but fortunately there were people like Raoult and Montagnier who stood up for their conviction. Now to get the others convicted... 😜

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Khallas's avatar

I wish Americans would protest like the French. The fact that innocent political prisoners are languishing in prison after being framed by our government should be enough for us to say, "Enough!" We trust our legal system but after the abuse it has suffered in the last 3 years that faith is growing thin.

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Robin Canfield's avatar

Unfortunately we have become too comfortable and soft ,afraid to risk getting hurt,the left has done a good job of “ training “ students in the government schools which were taken over by the communists 50 years ago. When I saw what was happening in the Universities in the 70s I knew it wasn’t going to work out well, but I couldn’t get anyone to believe me.

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lynn's avatar

They raised the retirement age in USA to 67 and no one knows or no one cares.

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Dr Linda's avatar

I was in Paris 15 years ago. During my stay there were protests. I was warmed and thrilled by the passion and vehemence of the protestors (no violence or looting or ….). When compared to the DC anti-mandate protest, we certainly lack the fire and passion I saw in Paris. I’m not being critical but merely observational. I love Paris. I had hoped to go back but don’t see that as a possibility anymore.

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OnTheJump's avatar

You're being honest. I can't IMAGINE what it would take for us to demonstrate such "fire and passion".

We have to find a way to step up - those who spoke out in the 60's and early 70's have (mostly 🙂) retired from the "insurrection scene".

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RJ Rambler's avatar

They are in our government. 😡

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OnTheJump's avatar

OMG - that makes me more than a wee bit 😔>

How true. As was once said by a great band:

" What Were Once Vices Are Now Habits. "

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Amuzed_Traveler's avatar

Joe Walsh? I can’t quite remember

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OnTheJump's avatar

Doobie Bros. - but I'd bet they partied w/ Joe Walsh.

Of course, seems EVERYBODY did.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

friends of mine were in Paris a few days ago and disturbed by the enormous protests. French people usually don't let all this go by without raising their voices! They have a history of trying to be milked and usually can get their thing done!

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SadieJay's avatar

I agree. Hubs and I were just talking about France and their fierce history of protesting and following through. I read a book about Lafayette and the constant upheavals of that country. I say "Go France!".

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I suspect the 2A makes us complacent.

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andy johnson's avatar

I have been thinking the same thing for some time. While we're waiting on gov't to take our guns away, they're taking all our other rights, our families, and our property. But we'll still be there holding our guns with nothing left to protect.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Good point.

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Amuzed_Traveler's avatar

Yep, what good are our guns if we won't use them.

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Scott Kinghorn's avatar

For how long? I'm waiting for the govt. to declare gun violence a nat. Health Emergency to try and take, reduce and stop gun sales or owning. Declaring a crisis of some type seems to be the way allow govt. intervention. Like the down fall of banking and the dollar to usher in CBDC???

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Based Florida Man's avatar

"Turns out ivermectin, guns and gold are a Threat To The Nation and are now illegal and must be turned in. Use the snitch app to report non-compliers."

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Gun owners will not capitulate and they know it! They can try to make it to expensive but we have the constitution and it's holding!!

Come and take it! There are more guns and ammo in the hands of US citizens than all the armies in the world and many are practiced snipers and all are protectors, military trained veterans, of every color. Look it up and be encouraged. See the Sheriff's Asso. stand in Illinois. We might even have police support!

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

If we don't secure our borders, their army will be among us. It might already be too late for a peaceful resolution. I think they like it that way. Invoke the Spirit and buckle up.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Michael Yon says the Dutch farmers (and all of us) "need to go full French." He too recognizes their superior protest tactics.

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Maha's avatar

My son and daughter in law are in France right now touring Normandy and Bordeaux. I hope this rioting/protest is not spilling out into the remote Departments.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Transportation - flights, buses, taxis - will probably be affected.

Bordeaux City Hall was set on fire.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/23/workers-block-paris-airport-terminal-pension-protests-continue-france

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

I don't like the way the French will violently protest over anything. Torching a historic city hall, making Paris a no-go locale - ruining the place they live is not too smart. I wonder if many of the protestors are from the huge N Africa immigrant population France now has. I think the actual French love their country, even if they don't agree with it's politics.

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Dawn B's avatar

They probably look at us and think the same...

Didn't they let a bunch of people immigrate there who are a real bunch of deplorables? ...now they really have issues

If they protest and cry wolf a lot, then they do not get taken seriously.

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laura-ann Knox's avatar

Initially in all the pandemic bs, I told my friends "France will NOT fall. It WILL be the leading European country to resist the tyranny. Look, its people TORE DOWN THE BASTILLE WITH ITS BARE HANDS TO END THE TYRANNY!"

Then I sadly had to watch as France did NOT resist the tyranny.

But I still have faith in your country's ability!!

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Unapologetically Me's avatar

#HoldTheLine

#StormTheBastille

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RunningLogic's avatar

People not being allowed to go out more than a few miles from their homes during lockdowns and being arrested if not in compliance. Most complied and may have complained but did as they were told (Fauci was probably so jealous!).

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Yes but what will they choose to replace it with? Someone who talks the talk without knowing his/her walk, think Hitler takeover. The masses just want peace and comfort. 🙋‍♀️

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yup peace and comfort. They want a nanny state to take care of them.

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RunningLogic's avatar

LaMaisonGelat, thanks for your “on the ground” take. Call me cynical but do you really think this will result in any significant changes? I have observed and experienced so many strikes in France for anything and everything but I just see the people in power pretending to do something while they continue to consolidate power and put the squeeze on ordinary people. It seems like as soon as the government promises more money or programs, people will stop protesting even if their freedoms are compromised. I hope I’m wrong though. I would love to see the French enjoy more freedom and hope they keep on pressing the powers that be.

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Le Petit Mondinet's avatar

Micron survived a no confidence vote this week by 7 votes... So the pressure is very much on. Into the summer if he and his WEFfie govt have not departed I would imagine 'les barricades'... Too many people know what's going on over 'ere...

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes I know but if he goes who will replace him? Same old same old? And he did survive the vote. So there’s that 😕

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J Kaz's avatar

Thanks for that clarification and be safe

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AM's avatar

I was in France in 2019 and saw some Gilet Jaune (sp??) activity.

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Le Petit Mondinet's avatar

Yup, Gilet Jaunes are very much still active advocating and protesting the squeeze of the working class.

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AM's avatar

Praying for France! Macron makes my blood boil.

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daverkb's avatar

Thank much! Because your comments adds a few more layers to the cake. I have been guessing that a good bit of Europe is fed up to the gills with all the sanctimonious Clown Tyrant nonsense and all their child-like prattle of about EU Values ... largely a fictitious self-serving invention. And as much as we are fed up with the tyrant establishment now controlling the United States.

I don't know this for sure. But I guessing Macron only got in because of election fraud. And I am guessing that the National Front did a whole lot better than the 'official' results. This, of course, was some time ago. We in the States are going through the same Tunnel of Hell as you on the continent. Ditto all other Five Eyes Control locations. Again ... thanks for the comment.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I think the National Front is just pretend opposition personally. The leader has been in politics for ages and took over party leadership from her father. I think it’s just to scare people into voting for the party the people in power want. It seems like Eric Zemmour was the only true outsider.

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Unapologetically Me's avatar

Greetings from Canada.

#HoldTheLine 🇨🇦🇫🇷🚛🚚🚜

#StormTheBastille 🔥

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Did the givesendgo for Dr. John. Can we find a way to shame the tyrant management that kicked him out for his pro-science views? We need to light them up.

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Lincoln's avatar

I gave too. Dr. Littel, solo practitioner, prescribed ivermectin for many in my family. I recommended him to friends from Florida to Wisconsin to Oregon. He saved many lives. He was truly the Hand of God when so many needed HELP...I hope C&C doubles or triples the $100,000 goal.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

I gave $12. We are living in unemployment right now. Some can, some can't but it's amazing what unity can accomplish!

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RunningLogic's avatar

That is awesome, thank you for donating what you can, that’s what the C&C Army is all about!! 😍

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OnTheJump's avatar

recently passed 100k !

on the way toward a "double" for your Doc, Connie !

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Sunnydaze's avatar

The amount given is rising! Let’s go C & C Army!!! Let’s show Dr Littell we are behind his stand for the truth! 💪🏻 💪🏻

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KBB's avatar

Dr Littell's goal has been met: $100k and still rising. Four hours after today's C&C hit my inbox. The C&C Army is amazing.

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Anne Clifton's avatar

Yes, the Coffee and Covid Army is amazing!

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laura-ann Knox's avatar

It was at 85k when I donated.

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RunningLogic's avatar

78k I think when I did mine!

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Annie's avatar

I will multiply too. 👍

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OnTheJump's avatar

✅ done and done !

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JW's avatar

Done too.

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NAB's avatar

C&C army is kicking butt and taking names, people! Just donated and the goal has been reached and then some. Woot! The response to Dr. Littell's situation has given me hope just when I needed it most.

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Dawn B's avatar

It is up to almost 140k as of 4pm.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

🙌 🙌 Let’s Go C&C! That’s excellent news!

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RebeccaGrrrl's avatar

Just gave mine... Great idea to shame the management!!!

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Based Florida Man's avatar

WHERE is Waldo Fetterman?

(Have you seen his new photo? Some say it's a body double).

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Jaci's avatar

Fetterman's head is a completely different shape...like put in a vise..

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Janet's avatar

Make his head a photoshop object. Move the corners in with your mouse and voilà—narrower head. Same with ears—rotate and boom. Closer to head. Tweak. Tweak. They don’t need a double for online or print.

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Robin Canfield's avatar

They did the same thing with Joe.

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Billy Bob's avatar

The new guy’s teeth are better.

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RunningLogic's avatar

🤣😆

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AM's avatar

Woody Harrelson is now in the role 🤣

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Husband and I both looked carefully at the images. Fetterman has odd ears--sticking out, and pointed. Chin wider. More wrinkles in forehead. Beard arrangement of gray hairs vs white different. Not the same man. Speaking as an unfortunate Pennsylvania inhabitant. Face recognition software? Input search terms for age, face width, face height, beard etc.....

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Pennsylvania cheated.

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Janet's avatar

Puhleeze. It’s been photoshopped. I did stuff like that all the time in my job. Cloning, scrubbing, a slight blur, smoothing, etc. Send me your photos—I could make you look like both versions.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

But what would be the point of photoshopping the real guy? What am I missing? Robert A Heinlein's "Double Star" (n.b.--I haven't read it, but husband suggested its being possibly appropriate here)

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Janet's avatar

He’s not been seen in real life much now. So why not. We know the Dems will do anything. This is the easiest. Fake photo. Jane Fondas image is manipulated even on film since her plastic work is failing fast.

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JW's avatar

Might be so they can keep their democrat in the senate? A new election might put a republican in. So a fake will do.

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Monterey's avatar

I believe I heard that if he doesn't step down before a certain date, perhaps in May, he can step down and then his wife can be appointed in his place, rather than there being a special election. Or something like that---

in any case, there's an effort here to run out some kind of clock this year

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JW's avatar

I agree. Very suspicious.

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Janet's avatar

Look behind the manipulation as I can—it’s him. Sort of.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Not sure how to interpret 'sort of him;' is that like 'a little bit pregnant?'

And if the photo were really of both of them, why photoshop it, esp. if all it does is generate doubt?

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Janet's avatar

I made one of those “f@k” thlngs folks have in their wallet for a friend. You could absolutely not tell the difference. She never used it. I would never either but her whole life was in the balance. Situation changed for her in time.

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Pthalocyanine's avatar

it's CLEARLY a different person! how dumb do they think we are?!?! "Sommersby" in real life! And Gisele seems happy with the new version

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T Kosse's avatar

Damn. You consistently have some of the best comments on this blog everyday. 😊

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Janet's avatar

I think it’s him but as a photoshop user, it’s super easy to change everything. I could see what they did.

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Robin Canfield's avatar

Have you compared photos of sleepy joe, look at the right earlobe, he was replaced prior to the 2020 election, the hair line is off as well, interesting how no one is calling it out.

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Transcriber B's avatar

Yes it is interesting that the MSM has been silent on that. Pretty much everyone who has facelift surgery has a changed earlobe shape.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPLQG0fsBH4

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Transcriber B's avatar

Looks like him, but photoshopped. His entire head is narrower. (How stupid do they think we are??)

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FourWinds's avatar

That is absolutely not the same man.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Where did you see his new photo?

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Toward bottom of today's C+C

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Thank you!

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Roger Beal's avatar

And where is The Turtle? Stuck atop a fencepost outside a rehab clinic, perhaps?

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Holly Champaign's avatar

The game of intimidating physicians with loss of medical licenses and certification has been a tactic used for decades, worldwide.

Two examples are Dr. Gary Fettke, in Australia and Dr. Shawn Baker, in the US. Both are orthopedic surgeons who transitioned from using surgical means to help patients (which is a high income producing practice for hospitals) with orthopedic conditions (including amputation secondary to Diabetes) to using diet to help the patients regain their health.

As I keep, saying the magic elixir is the tip of the poisoned spear of this industrial complex.

Am currently dealing with the NTB heart-lung machine infection issue that was effectively silenced at the behest of a large medical manufacturer by our own CDC.

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Dr Linda's avatar

My observation for 3-4 decades is people are being taught to be helpless. We are giving up personal power. Diet and exercise and sunshine are our friends. Pharmaceuticals mostly not so much.

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FourWinds's avatar

I work in a pharmacy - just started a few months ago - and was immediately stunned by the number of drugs so many people are on. I was equally stunned by the number of painkillers and opiates prescribed. Some get irate when they "run out" of their controlled substance drugs too early and can't get more until a certain date. The other frightening thing is when someone says that they don't want the drug but their doctor said to take it, so they are. No independent thought process. It's sad all over. I became very grateful for my health once starting there. I have never and will NEVER take prescription drugs. It's all about making life long customers, not curing a damn thing.

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

Find a compounding pharmacy to work at.

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Shellie Willmering's avatar

🎯🎯🎯

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Robin Canfield's avatar

What ever the problem is there’s a nutritional answer, drugs were developed by the pharmaceutical industry bought and controlled by Rockefeller.

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Fla Mom's avatar

A PhD whose work back in 2010 and earlier found that there were two genes controlling health and longevity in a geohelminth (worm) model, and that those two genes were controlled by dietary carbohydrate (giving them less healthy, shorter lives, whereas withholding dietary carbohydrate allowed them to live multiples of their 'normal' lifespans, as healthy worms right until death) has almost been entirely scrubbed from the internet, when I looked for it recently. Now, she's just focused on drug development, to do the same thing that she herself found could be done with diet alone. In interviews of her back in ~2010, she had even started eating a low carb diet and said she felt better. (She's Cynthia Kenyon, btw)

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RJ Rambler's avatar

We have no sunshine in Illinois! 😑

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FourWinds's avatar

Ditto for central Ohio most of the time.

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Notyours's avatar

When I lived in Kent long ago, it was said that the Arsenal in Ravenna was placed there specifically because of the regular cloud cover. Prevented Soviet planes from seeing what was there... would suspect Wright Patterson in Dayton for the same reason.

Can't vouch for that, but sure as hell seems logical!

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

I had a sister in Michigan who said that even on clear winter days, the sun didn't work. Keep the Light on in your heart! Illinois needs you!

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Monterey's avatar

What can I tell a friend about trying to get off statins? What happens if they just go cold turkey? Is it even really a problem for people to not take them?

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Tracy Bishop's avatar

Tell your friend to contact Dr. Ovadia he has a AWESOME telehealth program on getting off medication and getting your metabolic health in line. https://ifixhearts.com/

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Fla Mom's avatar

I'd recommend finding a physician who practices integrative or functional medicine. Your friend might be able to find a physician whose philosophy matches his/hers via the Association of American Physicians & Surgeons (considered as 'those wingnuts' by mainstream medicine).

https://aapsonline.org/

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes, helpless and dependent!

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Jaci's avatar

The medical practice has lost all credibility. It deserves to go down!

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RunningLogic's avatar

Such as it is today, yes!

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Runemasque's avatar

Part of the problem: Report explains how private equity firms are buying up healthcare. They reduce staffing and wages, maximize high return treatment (even if unnecessary), minimize low return care as unprofitable, fight price transparency and capping for patients, create scarcity to drive up prices, create conditions to maximize insurance billing which includes government coverage, raises rates of adverse events for patients and unnecessary treatments... During the pandemic, instances were detailed examples of how hospitals had their property sold out from under them, making them renters, receiving pandemic funds while furloughing and reducing staff and also wages (even as they enjoyed higher compensation and government aid, or then turned to costly staffing companies due to this artificially exacerbated staffing scarcity), and ended up creating situations for the government to bail them out from the debt in order to avoid their closure and the threat of healthcare deserts.

https://www.citizen.org/wp-content/uploads/Public-Citizen-Private-Equitys-Path-of-Destruction.pdf

Private equity's ownership of U.S. healthcare providers is incompatible with the needs and best interests of patients and should be checked with federal legislation, according to a report published Wednesday by the consumer advocacy group Public Citizen.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/private-equity-healthcare

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RJ Rambler's avatar

For years I saw Drs for asthma meds always I had high bp, because I hate drs, and always leaving with the fear that I would die on the way home unless I bought THAT prescription too. Once, I decided to eat half a banana ever day for two weeks and when I went back the Dr was so surprised that the meds were working. 🤨 Be sure that if you see a Dr that you know everything they do, how to take bp correctly, what the history of bp IS, and the same for body temp, and every test you take. Research it, ask someone to research for you. Ask alot of questions or take someone with you to ask. Record your appts. Don't buy any drug until you've research it thoroughly! Drugs maim and kill as much as they help. Pick your suicide weapon carefully.

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Roger Beal's avatar

How true: Cholesterol levels being the prime example.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Surely you do not think we should trust the federal government to make improvements? May I remind you who launched, funded, and rammed Covid then the vaccinations down the population's throat?

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Runemasque's avatar

I actually had the same thought come up in me when I was reading the report, but then I realized that it is a false faction. The government, remember, is collaborating with not just big pharma, but also big corporate medicine. The government (taxpayers) is paying for a lot of the charges that these companies are building up, paying pandemic funding, supporting protocols that lead to more unnecessary interventions, and so on. It is not a matter of corporate Healthcare vs government. It is a matter of independent, sovereign, patient-collaborative Healthcare. We desperately need our parallel economy in healthcare. We don't want the big companies, the big drugs, the big insurance, nor the big government. We want healthcare that is not biased towards profit and products, but towards true health.

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Jessica Libolt's avatar

Very interesting. I didn’t realize private equity firms were buying up health care facilities. In general, the corporatization of medicine is alarming because it takes away doctors’ ability to make independent decisions based on an individual’s needs. I attribute the corporatization to changes that happened under Obama care, excessive regulation and rising malpractice insurance cost but hadn’t thought about WHO might be purchasing those medical corporations.

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Fla Mom's avatar

It started long, long ago. When I was in my clinical residency it was already starting, and that was in the late '80s/early '90s. Everything became directed by 'bean counters' (the accounting/money people) and lawyers.

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Janet's avatar

Gary had one complaint when he answered a question from a mother about breastfeeding I think. A so called nutritionist took umbrage and got the ball rolling to destroy his career. Did a pretty good job of it until he got victory in the legal system. I believe that was the story. I watch Shawn on YouTube. Awesome!

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Hooray! A coffee friend in Champaign!

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Janet's avatar

Anyone in northern Illinois near Rockford? I need real conversation badly.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

🧸 not me. I'm sorry for you. There's some good groups in mewe if you get used to their format. I love it. Not in person but i have a group of five that are really really close after three years.

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Holly Champaign's avatar

Well actually not from/in Illinois but share last name with your fine city (and probably kinship with it's founders).

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Holly's avatar

Maybe it’s the name ‘Holly.’ Hello to another fan of Dr. Baker and Dr. Fettke, and one who recognizes how main stream medicine tried to shut these fine doctors down for promoting health. Novel concept.

Thank you, Holly, from Holly!

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“Be strong and courageous, do not fear or be dismayed because of the king of Assyria nor because of all the horde that is with him; for the one with us is greater than the one with him. With him is only an arm of flesh, but with us is the Lord our God to help us and to fight our battles.” And the people relied on the words of Hezekiah king of Judah.

— 2 Chronicles 32:7-8 NASB1995

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Robin Canfield's avatar

AMEN, thanks for bringing us back to the truth!

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RunningLogic's avatar

❤️❤️❤️

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Based Florida Man's avatar

---How it started:

Biden: Sanctions on Russia will turn the ruble into rubble

---How it's going:

Russia outproducing artillery rounds greater than usa/eu nations combined; merging with China and friends for new currencies, Putin at 85% approval with anti-gay, nationalist agenda

USA/EU: banks collapsing, trannys are promoted throughout military, leaders have 30% approval rating (Biden/Macron tyrant styles unable to subdue their populations).

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Anne Clifton's avatar

Joseph Robbernette Biden

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Shellshocked's avatar

Lol! I also love when he’s referred to as former Vice President Biden! Makes me chuckle every time 😆

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RunningLogic's avatar

Me too! 😆😁

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JW's avatar

Good name for Trump to use when referring to him.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Ooh I love that one!! So accurate! 😁😆

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AM's avatar

It was gratifying to see DeSantis call out CBDC, and hopefully a wake up call to other conservative leaders.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Totally. Digital gov money is the linchpin for ultimate tyrant control. 'get your jabs or we turn off your money'

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AM's avatar

Exactly

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PamelaZelie's avatar

Kristi Noem, SD, has acted too.

“I VETOED a bill that changes the definition of money, and that opens the door for the federal government to adopt a Central Bank Digital Currency.”

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AM's avatar

Wow, great to know. Thanks.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Permitless carry should be all across the nation. It’s a constitutional right.

We have it here in Texas, still no blood in the streets

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AM's avatar

Do you happen to know where Trump falls on this issue? Would you say he’s a strong 2A advocate? I’m genuinely not sure.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

His sons are big game hunters 😂

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Fla Mom's avatar

You, and many other states, have open carry as part of your permitless carry. Florida's is only permitless *concealed* carry. 47 states have open carry. Who doesn't? Florida; Illinois; and New York. Even California allows open carry in rural areas. The Florida Legislature (read: Speaker of the House and the Senate President, since they pretty much run the whole show, and I do mean 'show') likes to give us dribs and drabs of our inborn rights over time, the better to generate PAC money and to virtue-signal to the sadly ignorant.

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Fla Mom's avatar

I hope Florida can catch up with you.

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Anne Clifton's avatar

In honor of his success in robbing us of our free country, I hereby change our president's name to Joseph Robbernette Biden.

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K Scott's avatar

No jab news today so I will provide some: Amazing headline in the daily telegraph today:

“Vaccine injury scheme ramps up staff as claims over Covid jabs keep growing”

They increased the staff from four to EIGHTY. Lots of comments on the article from people who suffered from clots etc. Comments since turned off

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NAB's avatar

Watched a new video on Dr. John Campbell's Rumble channel in which he interviews an Australian Senator regarding the vaccine approval documents from Australia's version of the FDA. Nothing unexpected, but still incredible how this fraud has been perpetrated throughout the world. Worth a watch:

https://rumble.com/v2ena4q-what-australian-government-knew-january-2021.html

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SB's avatar

Wow

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Based Florida Man's avatar

That's pretty big news. Love it. Sad for the people that are injured. But the dam is cracking.

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NAB's avatar

K Scott, do you happen to have a link?

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K Scott's avatar

I didn’t post it because I believe it’s behind a paywall but here it is:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/24/vaccine-damage-payment-scheme-boosts-staff-numbers-four-80-covid/

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NAB's avatar

This link should work:

https://archive.ph/rHU01

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NAB's avatar

Thank you! Sometimes I have luck with archive.ph for articles behind a paywall. I'll give it a try.

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RandiG's avatar

If everyone with investments and/or savings pulled ALL our money out of banks, what would we do with it? We’d have to buy lots of mattresses. 🙄

If all the banks fail, we’d have more than $$$ problems. How about keeping the lights on, food, gasoline and oh yeah, jobs.

Perception is reality. If we panic then we’re all doomed. I learn patience every day. If we can remain calm and patient for a new administration (🙏) we just may pull through this craziness. At least, that is my hope. But then again, a hope is just a wish without a plan. 😞

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

One thing everyone needs to do, if possible, is to get rid of debt.

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Dawn B's avatar

If the banks collapse then who do people pay debts to?

I know dumb question...

In this day, everyone seems to live beyond their means, and do not want to sacrifice. I had to sacrifice, and now I am comfortable.

One more thing... If banks collapse, it is best to have your money in something solid like property, goods, gold, silver... rather than in a bank. Any large amount in a bank makes me nervous.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Not sure who you pay the debts to...I would be concerned for folks who owe on their cars or houses. Would they go into foreclosure or be repossessed? At least if you own something free and clear, you can hang on to it.

I was in Argentina back in 2010. The country's currency collapsed back in Dec. 2001/Jan. 2002. At that time, one Argentine peso was equal to one US dollar. Now 205 pesos are equal to one US dollar. From what I read, the middle class was wiped out.

Of course, the US could do a "bank holiday." The Fed could declare a 2-week moratorium and stop all banking transactions, including withdrawals from ATMs. It happened in Cyrus in 2013. People were limited to the amount of money they could withdraw. Huge long lines at ATMs. Then the banks did a "bail-in" which was essentially taking depositer's money to become solvent.

Some feel that if things get that desperate in the US, the limited withdrawals and bail-ins may happen.

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Dawn B's avatar

Wow...Something needs to happen to this clown show. This only hurts the poorest people and not the people who caused it and profited...like the CEO of Silicon Bank. Shame!

Biden will never really pay for his crimes because he is too old to suffer the deserved consequences. He disgusts me and everyone pretending around him. I hope this is a show and not reality... I can have hope and trust Jesus. Pray for those lost and suffering, and be thankful for everything.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

...and I hope I am wrong about possible scenarios.

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SB's avatar

If it all goes to heck, that money isn't going to be worth the paper it is printed on.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Stock up on "stuff" now. Get things fixed around the house.

Pay off cars/house if possible.

A bank collapse will happen on a Friday.

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RandiG's avatar

SB,

Exactly. We will have bigger problems than having no money.

Nowhere to run and nowhere to hide. Thank God we have a 2nd amendment!

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Annie's avatar

I have no desire to visit France or any part of Europe at this time. It would be too hard to actually see the destruction of all the countries's culture thru the 3rd world invasion that wef/nwo has caused. But if the remaining French people get the guillotines out to take out the globalist trash like macron, I want to be there. Vive the French people!!

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I was in Paris in 2019. Got off at Stalingrad Metro stop figuring I could walk the rest of the way to my destination instead of changing Metro lines.

Huge mistake. I thought I landed in North Africa.

Loads of young military aged men, no women, mattresses and trash all over the area.

And, it was not a bad neighborhood.

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Susan In Kansas's avatar

We accidentally rented an air bnb in this neighborhood in June 2019. Can confirm exactly what you say. Was so weird- eerie- no kids, no women.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

...and it's not a bad neighborhood either.

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Roger Beal's avatar

"It was not a bad neighborhood." Well, it is now.

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ICI Grief (The Rebel's Hike)'s avatar

Maybe one day when you ask for new C&C multipliers, you could list out the past ones and how much we generated? It would be interesting and enticing to be a part of! I gave today and I thank all of you on the front lines of this madness. God Bless you all!

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SadieJay's avatar

I am watching this one go up. It is now at 108K, and there are mostly 2's at the end of each gift! Awesome to know and it gives us heart.♥

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Top:

USD $ 2002.00

Anonymous Donor

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Penny North's avatar

I agree - It would be nice and encouraging to see the spreadsheet.

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