Not trying to be a contrarian here, but Cernovich makes a good point, these people voted for this, why should good men risk everything to defend them?
Bragg was elected by an overwhelming majority, Manhattan is 90% democrat. So either these people want this, or they are too stupid/uniformed to know that locking up criminals to protect peo…
Not trying to be a contrarian here, but Cernovich makes a good point, these people voted for this, why should good men risk everything to defend them?
Bragg was elected by an overwhelming majority, Manhattan is 90% democrat. So either these people want this, or they are too stupid/uniformed to know that locking up criminals to protect people is good for society. They want this.
Yet good men are supposed to step up and protect these people? Good men are supposed to risk everything to be jailed by a left-wing nutcase prosecutor and jury? Those good men will be separated from their family, unable to provide for their kids, unable to see them grow up, and have their life ruined, for protecting people who want and voted for the mayhem.
Young urban women overwhelming vote democrat and propel these leftist thugs into office, yet good patriotic men are supposed to step in and protect them when the inevitable happens? No way, chivalry is a two-way street. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.
Cernovich is exactly right IMO. Good men should save their heroics for people who actually appreciate honor, valor, and courage, and don't put communists that free criminals in office.
I would agree except…when good men and women are minding their own business and thugs like that one start harming people….good men and women instinctively protect. It’s in their nature. How do we live with ourselves if we turn away and let them be hurt when it was in our power to help them? That’s the difference between cowards and good men and women. We can’t turn a blind eye to thugs and criminals. 🤷♀️ even if we want to.
I don't like it either, but people have to learn from their actions. There's a real cost to be paid for mindlessly electing a communist just because he has a D by his name. Bragg made no secret about his intentions.
Personally, I avoid these situations by keeping myself and my family out of bad areas and situations. You could not pay me to ride a New York subway. It may sound cowardly but it keeps us from being victimized or being put in the position of having to confront one of these psychos. These people not only put themselves in the situation but vote for more if it. Particularly women, it's like they have a death wish.
I get it. And I do agree with some of what you say.
I also avoid places that are unsafe as well. I would not knowingly go to places that are bad areas or bad situations. That is not cowardly. That is being wise!
And you are also right that a lot of people voted for this therefore should live with the consequences. Those consequences would be brave mend and women not even being there to help in the first place. However, if good men and women happen to be there, I’m glad they would do the right thing and step up.
I'm not a 'good man' by anyone's standards, but I don't intend to allow intolerable behavior in my presence. Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions. (not my quote)
Suggested reading for all here, especially women, families with small kids, and folks who are perceived as being wealthy: "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin de Becker.
Just finished that book. I put off reading it because, as a Christian, I believe God did not give us a spirit of fear. He did, however, give us intuition/gut instinct/whatever you want to label it. The book speaks to that gift.
Exactly, that's why I think the title is a bit off even though I've heard great things about the book (have not read it yet). Trust your instincts, God gave us them for a reason. Don't let modern society guilt you into ignoring them.
It's a slippery slope when good people stop doing the right thing, for whatever reason. Like I tell my kids, you're responsible for what you do. Not for what anyone else does. I hope men never stop being gallant simply because feminists don't want it. And I hope good men and women don't stop standing up to bullies simply because the populace doesn't deserve it. Because then no one is doing the right thing.
I would argue the "right thing" is to take your family out of a lawless place and to protect them by using common sense. I have no obligation to threaten my own family's well-being by defending a woman who voted for lawlessness all because the guy with a "D" by his name supports and promotes abortion (and that's what it comes down to for many, if not most, young women).
Chivalry was a system designed to protect women as the weaker sex. The system worked in that certain behavior was expected of both sides. Women are not entitled to unconditional bravery from men just because of their chromosomes. If women want to do stupid things like vote for communists and ride unprotected in a lawless subway then they really should not expect men to step up and defend them.
We do what we do because of who we are, not because of who others are. I didn't refuse to wear a mask just to wake up people who wanted to stay asleep. I refused because of who I am before God. I didnt say anything about putting your family in danger because of chivalry (thats a stretch), but I can tell you my family experienced persecution. If men would understand their role before God, and fulfill it, this world would be a different place. This man on the subway did what his conscience knew was right, and in this evil culture, he will suffer for it. But the evil culture is not his problem. God and his conscience tell him who he is, not them. And it's God they'll both answer to.
In my neighborhood full of lefties and covidiots, I will not help them with anything. And trust me when I say they will not help you. Look what they do to themselves and their families. They're so screwed up who would want anything they had to offer. The only good thing about them is my kids have clear examples of who not to get involved with etc.
I agree and have found that leftists are the least likely to help their neighbors. However, let’s not assume that folks voted for this in all cases, as many elections are rigged.
Statistics collected over decades prove you are correct about leftists and charity. Conservatives and people of faith give more. "Progressives" apparently believe that charity begins in the government treasury, not in the individual heart.
So true. I once lived next to a very liberal couple, who were all “into” pet rescue. A stray cat showed up right when we were selling our house, but of course they couldn’t be bothered to help when I couldn’t bring it in. Another (conservative) neighbor stepped up and she ended up keeping the cat.
The argument is correct because people deserve the consequences of their actions. But the larger take-away is that New York is a failed state and really no different from Monrovia or any other failed state cesspool.
There are only two choices in life. Either stand up for truth and an authentic administration of justice based upon God's Law ... or roll over. Things have gotten extreme. The result being that choices are sometimes hard and difficult.
How does making right choices work in daily life? Well, I will defend my wife, if need be, with my life. My wife knows this. And the result is that the quality of life in the house is upgraded from what it could be, a thing of no consequence. That is, if a person knows that he or she can depend on someone to perform, then life is made good and the home secure.
The necessity to choose between Good and Evil regardless of the personal consequence in today's Woke climes should be a self-evident truth.
There's a third choice in don't put yourself in a situation where you are compelled to defend the stupid or reckless.
Remember that scene in Die Hard 3 where the bad guy tells John McClain to go into a black neighborhood wearing a giant "I hate (N-word)" placard as part for the ransom? Extreme example, but if someone is doing that and you drive by and see him getting the tar beaten out of him, would you help? Or would you think that guy was an idiot and frankly got what he had coming?
Things are not always black and white. The problem here is that people have made foolish choices to elect morons that free criminals, choose to live in an unsafe neighborhood, and then ride the subway which is notorious for being a rolling mental institution. They don't have to do any of these things but choose to. Then when as predictably as the sun rising things go wrong, people are supposed to step up and defend them knowing they will go to jail for it? No.
Of course I would defend my family to the death if it came down to it. However, it never has come down to that because I make smart choices to keep them and myself out of situations where it's required. If that makes me a coward then I'm proudly a coward.
The alleged third choice is not really a third choice. It is another choice separate from the first binary consideration of having choose between Good and Evil.
Instead, the alleged third choice is prudence. Within the context of Good and Evil, prudence is the exercise of wisdom.
Wow, not sure if that was aimed at me but speak for yourself. How many violent thugs have you stopped defending this virtue you speak of?
People sure are big talkers demanding others take risks they have never done themselves. Go for it Lynn, maybe you can be the next Bernard Goetz.
And how is it the right thing to be thrown in jail, unable to provide for one's kids, unable to be there for them growing up? All to defend someone who voted for the mayhem and knowingly put themselves in a dangerous situation?
JeffC...It's possible you're being misunderstood by some folks. I think your main point is that you avoid potentially unsafe situations as a way of protecting your family, etc. and I agree with you. Avoidance is the #1 preferred answer to danger, and that is not cowardice but prudence, as another commenter phrased it.
True Ted, I think people should behave prudently by evaluating the consequences before they act. Like you state that includes avoiding potentially dangerous situations. But it goes beyond that.
I'm saying (actually Cernovich said it but I agree with him) they should not risk their lives, livelihood, and freedom by defending people who vote for and sanction anarchy. These people that some are demanding others defend, will be all too happy to vote 12-0 to convict them when Bragg or some other Soros prosecutor charges them with assault or manslaughter.
NYC has made it's choice to elect a communist who ran on the platform of letting criminals run free. That's what he said he'd do and they voted for him overwhelmingly. They are brainwashed dolts who think civilization is the normal order of humanity as opposed to a carefully constructed system of rules, enforcement, and common trust. They threw that out the window in a fit of self-righteousness as it made them feel good about themselves (Black Lives Matter!) and now they are paying the price. Now normal decent people are supposed to step up and defend them? Why?
And to those saying it's the Christian thing to do, I get it. But where does the Bible say we are compelled to defend people that intentionally bring harm upon themselves (and risk our own family's well being in the process)? Perhaps it's in there but I have not seen it. I quote Bible verses on here all the time and would *welcome* some scripture that clarifies this subject.
Anyways, I avoid it entirely by *never* putting my family in a location where mental patients roam free. We don't go shopping or to restaurants in bad neighborhoods ever, why would people do that? And if we are at some event and I get a sense that things are starting to get uncomfortable we leave. Period. My family always comes first.
As long as you are following Christ, no one (including myself) has any valid reason to criticize you. You are the leader of your family, ordained by God Himself.
For me, I ignore all that fake Christian crap about following government orders, etc. None of that means anything when the government itself is fully devoted to Satan. I take my orders from God, so I don’t give any thought to what anyone else says or believes. Psalm 118:8 is considered to be the ‘center’ of God’s Word. I put my full trust in God and every man can go pound sand. “I seek peace, but I am ready and willing to do horrible things to evil people in order to protect my family, or anyone I choose.” ~ me
My comment wasn't intended to be pejorative towards you or anyone else here, and i apologize if it seemed that way or in any way self-righteous. IMHO, the time is coming when we will no longer have many choices remaining, and we might consider what we are prepared to do to "keep what's mine." Further, painting everyone in a city, town or even a neighborhood with the same brush is unreasonable. Do we question a person about their political positions before we help them, or do we help because we believe we should? For those who are religious - and I am not - one might ask what Jesus would do.
Agreed, but dont forget that NYC is huge and Manhattan is only a small part of it. My entire family resides there; our roots from Ellus island started there. We are all republicans.
I do know some immigrant people who vote democratic for silly reasons like they think the dems are better for their ethnic homelands in foreign policy. 🙄
Very true in that NYC is huge, but aside from Staten Island most of NYC is very liberal and votes overwhelmingly democrat.
As an example, in 2020, Manhattan, Bronx, Brooklyn, and Queens combined, Trump only got 20% of the vote, Manhattan by itself was 12%. In Staten Island on the other hand, Trump got 57%.
Yes the boroughs were always considered working class, and historically speaking they would vote blue. I understand why and it wasn't necessarily a bad thing..all that changed a few decades ago with the beginning of the culture war.
My extended family are educated business people and despite being New Yorkers, they always voted republican.
Staten Island is largely comprised of Italian Americans who left Brooklyn for larger homes. This ethnic group is family oriented, and to a large extent these days, business owners. It makes sense that they voted for Trump.
Not trying to be a contrarian here, but Cernovich makes a good point, these people voted for this, why should good men risk everything to defend them?
Bragg was elected by an overwhelming majority, Manhattan is 90% democrat. So either these people want this, or they are too stupid/uniformed to know that locking up criminals to protect people is good for society. They want this.
Yet good men are supposed to step up and protect these people? Good men are supposed to risk everything to be jailed by a left-wing nutcase prosecutor and jury? Those good men will be separated from their family, unable to provide for their kids, unable to see them grow up, and have their life ruined, for protecting people who want and voted for the mayhem.
Young urban women overwhelming vote democrat and propel these leftist thugs into office, yet good patriotic men are supposed to step in and protect them when the inevitable happens? No way, chivalry is a two-way street. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.
Cernovich is exactly right IMO. Good men should save their heroics for people who actually appreciate honor, valor, and courage, and don't put communists that free criminals in office.
I would agree except…when good men and women are minding their own business and thugs like that one start harming people….good men and women instinctively protect. It’s in their nature. How do we live with ourselves if we turn away and let them be hurt when it was in our power to help them? That’s the difference between cowards and good men and women. We can’t turn a blind eye to thugs and criminals. 🤷♀️ even if we want to.
I don't like it either, but people have to learn from their actions. There's a real cost to be paid for mindlessly electing a communist just because he has a D by his name. Bragg made no secret about his intentions.
Personally, I avoid these situations by keeping myself and my family out of bad areas and situations. You could not pay me to ride a New York subway. It may sound cowardly but it keeps us from being victimized or being put in the position of having to confront one of these psychos. These people not only put themselves in the situation but vote for more if it. Particularly women, it's like they have a death wish.
I get it. And I do agree with some of what you say.
I also avoid places that are unsafe as well. I would not knowingly go to places that are bad areas or bad situations. That is not cowardly. That is being wise!
And you are also right that a lot of people voted for this therefore should live with the consequences. Those consequences would be brave mend and women not even being there to help in the first place. However, if good men and women happen to be there, I’m glad they would do the right thing and step up.
I'm not a 'good man' by anyone's standards, but I don't intend to allow intolerable behavior in my presence. Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions. (not my quote)
Tactical thinking is never cowardly.
Suggested reading for all here, especially women, families with small kids, and folks who are perceived as being wealthy: "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin de Becker.
Just finished that book. I put off reading it because, as a Christian, I believe God did not give us a spirit of fear. He did, however, give us intuition/gut instinct/whatever you want to label it. The book speaks to that gift.
Exactly, that's why I think the title is a bit off even though I've heard great things about the book (have not read it yet). Trust your instincts, God gave us them for a reason. Don't let modern society guilt you into ignoring them.
It's a slippery slope when good people stop doing the right thing, for whatever reason. Like I tell my kids, you're responsible for what you do. Not for what anyone else does. I hope men never stop being gallant simply because feminists don't want it. And I hope good men and women don't stop standing up to bullies simply because the populace doesn't deserve it. Because then no one is doing the right thing.
I would argue the "right thing" is to take your family out of a lawless place and to protect them by using common sense. I have no obligation to threaten my own family's well-being by defending a woman who voted for lawlessness all because the guy with a "D" by his name supports and promotes abortion (and that's what it comes down to for many, if not most, young women).
Chivalry was a system designed to protect women as the weaker sex. The system worked in that certain behavior was expected of both sides. Women are not entitled to unconditional bravery from men just because of their chromosomes. If women want to do stupid things like vote for communists and ride unprotected in a lawless subway then they really should not expect men to step up and defend them.
We do what we do because of who we are, not because of who others are. I didn't refuse to wear a mask just to wake up people who wanted to stay asleep. I refused because of who I am before God. I didnt say anything about putting your family in danger because of chivalry (thats a stretch), but I can tell you my family experienced persecution. If men would understand their role before God, and fulfill it, this world would be a different place. This man on the subway did what his conscience knew was right, and in this evil culture, he will suffer for it. But the evil culture is not his problem. God and his conscience tell him who he is, not them. And it's God they'll both answer to.
Good grief.
In my neighborhood full of lefties and covidiots, I will not help them with anything. And trust me when I say they will not help you. Look what they do to themselves and their families. They're so screwed up who would want anything they had to offer. The only good thing about them is my kids have clear examples of who not to get involved with etc.
I agree and have found that leftists are the least likely to help their neighbors. However, let’s not assume that folks voted for this in all cases, as many elections are rigged.
Statistics collected over decades prove you are correct about leftists and charity. Conservatives and people of faith give more. "Progressives" apparently believe that charity begins in the government treasury, not in the individual heart.
So true. I once lived next to a very liberal couple, who were all “into” pet rescue. A stray cat showed up right when we were selling our house, but of course they couldn’t be bothered to help when I couldn’t bring it in. Another (conservative) neighbor stepped up and she ended up keeping the cat.
So, so does that make Annie up there a leftist? She states bluntly that she wont help people in her neighborhood.
No, it’s just statistics/ general trends. There are stats and there are individuals.
The argument is correct because people deserve the consequences of their actions. But the larger take-away is that New York is a failed state and really no different from Monrovia or any other failed state cesspool.
There are only two choices in life. Either stand up for truth and an authentic administration of justice based upon God's Law ... or roll over. Things have gotten extreme. The result being that choices are sometimes hard and difficult.
How does making right choices work in daily life? Well, I will defend my wife, if need be, with my life. My wife knows this. And the result is that the quality of life in the house is upgraded from what it could be, a thing of no consequence. That is, if a person knows that he or she can depend on someone to perform, then life is made good and the home secure.
The necessity to choose between Good and Evil regardless of the personal consequence in today's Woke climes should be a self-evident truth.
There's a third choice in don't put yourself in a situation where you are compelled to defend the stupid or reckless.
Remember that scene in Die Hard 3 where the bad guy tells John McClain to go into a black neighborhood wearing a giant "I hate (N-word)" placard as part for the ransom? Extreme example, but if someone is doing that and you drive by and see him getting the tar beaten out of him, would you help? Or would you think that guy was an idiot and frankly got what he had coming?
Things are not always black and white. The problem here is that people have made foolish choices to elect morons that free criminals, choose to live in an unsafe neighborhood, and then ride the subway which is notorious for being a rolling mental institution. They don't have to do any of these things but choose to. Then when as predictably as the sun rising things go wrong, people are supposed to step up and defend them knowing they will go to jail for it? No.
Of course I would defend my family to the death if it came down to it. However, it never has come down to that because I make smart choices to keep them and myself out of situations where it's required. If that makes me a coward then I'm proudly a coward.
The alleged third choice is not really a third choice. It is another choice separate from the first binary consideration of having choose between Good and Evil.
Instead, the alleged third choice is prudence. Within the context of Good and Evil, prudence is the exercise of wisdom.
Good points. They made their bed, let THEM lie in it!!
No one has ever said that doing the right thing is easy. If you want it easy, go virtue-signal in an inconspicuous way. "I voted" badges are good.
Wow, not sure if that was aimed at me but speak for yourself. How many violent thugs have you stopped defending this virtue you speak of?
People sure are big talkers demanding others take risks they have never done themselves. Go for it Lynn, maybe you can be the next Bernard Goetz.
And how is it the right thing to be thrown in jail, unable to provide for one's kids, unable to be there for them growing up? All to defend someone who voted for the mayhem and knowingly put themselves in a dangerous situation?
JeffC...It's possible you're being misunderstood by some folks. I think your main point is that you avoid potentially unsafe situations as a way of protecting your family, etc. and I agree with you. Avoidance is the #1 preferred answer to danger, and that is not cowardice but prudence, as another commenter phrased it.
True Ted, I think people should behave prudently by evaluating the consequences before they act. Like you state that includes avoiding potentially dangerous situations. But it goes beyond that.
I'm saying (actually Cernovich said it but I agree with him) they should not risk their lives, livelihood, and freedom by defending people who vote for and sanction anarchy. These people that some are demanding others defend, will be all too happy to vote 12-0 to convict them when Bragg or some other Soros prosecutor charges them with assault or manslaughter.
NYC has made it's choice to elect a communist who ran on the platform of letting criminals run free. That's what he said he'd do and they voted for him overwhelmingly. They are brainwashed dolts who think civilization is the normal order of humanity as opposed to a carefully constructed system of rules, enforcement, and common trust. They threw that out the window in a fit of self-righteousness as it made them feel good about themselves (Black Lives Matter!) and now they are paying the price. Now normal decent people are supposed to step up and defend them? Why?
And to those saying it's the Christian thing to do, I get it. But where does the Bible say we are compelled to defend people that intentionally bring harm upon themselves (and risk our own family's well being in the process)? Perhaps it's in there but I have not seen it. I quote Bible verses on here all the time and would *welcome* some scripture that clarifies this subject.
Anyways, I avoid it entirely by *never* putting my family in a location where mental patients roam free. We don't go shopping or to restaurants in bad neighborhoods ever, why would people do that? And if we are at some event and I get a sense that things are starting to get uncomfortable we leave. Period. My family always comes first.
As long as you are following Christ, no one (including myself) has any valid reason to criticize you. You are the leader of your family, ordained by God Himself.
For me, I ignore all that fake Christian crap about following government orders, etc. None of that means anything when the government itself is fully devoted to Satan. I take my orders from God, so I don’t give any thought to what anyone else says or believes. Psalm 118:8 is considered to be the ‘center’ of God’s Word. I put my full trust in God and every man can go pound sand. “I seek peace, but I am ready and willing to do horrible things to evil people in order to protect my family, or anyone I choose.” ~ me
My comment wasn't intended to be pejorative towards you or anyone else here, and i apologize if it seemed that way or in any way self-righteous. IMHO, the time is coming when we will no longer have many choices remaining, and we might consider what we are prepared to do to "keep what's mine." Further, painting everyone in a city, town or even a neighborhood with the same brush is unreasonable. Do we question a person about their political positions before we help them, or do we help because we believe we should? For those who are religious - and I am not - one might ask what Jesus would do.
Agreed, but dont forget that NYC is huge and Manhattan is only a small part of it. My entire family resides there; our roots from Ellus island started there. We are all republicans.
I do know some immigrant people who vote democratic for silly reasons like they think the dems are better for their ethnic homelands in foreign policy. 🙄
Very true in that NYC is huge, but aside from Staten Island most of NYC is very liberal and votes overwhelmingly democrat.
As an example, in 2020, Manhattan, Bronx, Brooklyn, and Queens combined, Trump only got 20% of the vote, Manhattan by itself was 12%. In Staten Island on the other hand, Trump got 57%.
Aside from Staten Island, these people want this.
Yes the boroughs were always considered working class, and historically speaking they would vote blue. I understand why and it wasn't necessarily a bad thing..all that changed a few decades ago with the beginning of the culture war.
My extended family are educated business people and despite being New Yorkers, they always voted republican.
Staten Island is largely comprised of Italian Americans who left Brooklyn for larger homes. This ethnic group is family oriented, and to a large extent these days, business owners. It makes sense that they voted for Trump.