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Leslie J Pennington's avatar

Jeff, I think it’s time to investigate the use of mRNA in livestock. Two stories in the past week (one about pork and one about beef), and a Missouri legislator is pushing a bill to require labeling. The shots in animals aren’t tested beyond the mRNA technology so we don’t know what they’re giving us via the food chain. Dr. McCullough has also written about this.

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FourWinds's avatar

I think one of the best things a person can do is know where their food comes from and ask the farmer or rancher themselves. I've mentioned it before that Seven Sons Farms in Indiana, who ships nationwide in dry ice, told me they do not use and have no intention of using MRNA in their animals. Disclaimer that although I have no ties whatsoever to these folks, I have met some of them in person when they used to deliver by truck to central Ohio. I trust them. God only knows what is on the supermarket shelves or meat used in cans and ready made food.

I agree this needs to be investigated and stopped, and definitely labeled in the mean time, but until this happens, the only way to be sure not to consume it is to find farmers or ranchers who refuse to use it. They're out there.

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Queen Hotchibobo's avatar

One of the problems is that no one wants to pay. The industrial production (in feedlots) and industrial processing (in packing houses) can be done cheaper.

Those of us raising beef on grass and processing it in butcher facilities can’t compete money wise.

Until people find out industrial meat will literally poison them, they can’t or won’t pay the cost of production for good meat.

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Gigi Gummerson's avatar

AND what about eating out? One of my joys is going out to eat with my daughter. I’m not talking McDonalds...these are our local restaurants with no processed foods...do we ask where they get their meats, fish etc or just stop going which would be heartbreaking.

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Dick's avatar

Always ask. I do. I also ask what oils & fats they use for the menu order. They have to go back and ask. I know the answer, but it may cause them to think. I explain to them why I ask and then change my order to something not harmful to human (or animal) consumption—sometimes I have to order nothing because there is nothing edible on the menu!

If more people did this, it might encourage the restaurants to move away from cheap canola and soy oils; get local grass fed meat & local veggies; and wild-caught instead of farmed salmon.

Keep eating out! Be a regular, even as at the rate the prices are rising, it might have to be more seldom!

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Dick's avatar

PS: It’s all very polite & friendly & It’s always been just fine — & I’ll skip if it’s busy...

Needed to add that lest you think me a boor...

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STH's avatar

My guess is wild caught AK salmon is a safer choice.

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FourWinds's avatar

Agreed and I hear you! I might be inclined to ask out of curiosity, but that's just me. At the same time, having pleasure in life is just as important as avoiding toxic stuff, IMO. I get an immense amount of pleasure from going to a local Mexican restaurant once a week and would hate to stop doing that. It's about all I have to look forward to these days.

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FourWinds's avatar

Absolutely true. Grass fed beef is more expensive to be sure, but I'll eat it any day over supermarket. I know a lot of people can't afford to, though, or they may not even know of a farmer to get it from. Interestingly, Kroger here is central Ohio had ground beef for around $10 a pound at one point, but I drove to Blystone Farms (grass fed) and got it for around $8.50. Yeah, figure drive costs in, so maybe it was a wash cost-wise, but WOW what a difference!

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RunningLogic's avatar

Same here, my local butcher is very competitive on ground beef prices with supermarkets. Some cuts of meat are a little more expensive but I prefer quality over quantity.

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Emma's avatar

From Tom Renz post, farmers might be buying the best feed for their stock but would not know what’s in the feed (like mRNA) unless legislation makes it a requirement to reveal to the farmers and consumers if the feed contains mRNA

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Runemasque's avatar

Where we are there are local feed producers. I know of a Mennonite fellow that produces and sells feed.

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FourWinds's avatar

I'm not doubting it, but how does one put the same spike protein into animal feed (assuming it's plant based and not made of other animals) that they do in people? I wouldn't put anything past these people.

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Emma's avatar

Honestly I don’t know. I’m still on the fence about use of antibiotics for animals: one one hand I don’t want antibiotic resistance to take place because of it, on another hand if animal is sick then not to treat is bad practice... I’m against making animals to live caged and in conditions that cause disease and then treat them with antibiotics... what commercially raised chicken gets fed is sickening

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FourWinds's avatar

The farm I mentioned uses antibiotics to treat their sick animals because not doing so would be inhumane, but they wait a specified amount of time (differs by species) before harvest to ensure the antibiotics are out of the animal's system and not being passed on. I think most illness in animals arises from their living conditions at factory farms and the garbage they are being fed.

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Bingham22's avatar

Look up the infomercial by MediCago. They gene edit and splice with mRNA.

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FourWinds's avatar

What is WRONG with these people?? (Rhetorical question) Thanks for the information.

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Bingham22's avatar

It isn’t just the meat that they are targeting either…they are gene editing with mRNA bananas, corn, wheat, soybeans, legumes, brassicas, and so much more.

Current laws also allow them to label these products as non gmo.

Look up the company MediCago…their infomercial tells you all about what they are doing.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Wow! Thank you for sharing about them. I may start buying there.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Definitely a big issue.

To quote a Stew Peters tweet "Bill Gates openly admitting he’s vaccinating the world’s livestock with mRNA. “Helping animals survive through vaccines and BETTER GENETICS.”

This is EUGENICS. Nuremberg 2.0 NOW!"

https://twitter.com/realstewpeters/status/1646155299517087748 (look how smug Gates looks as he talks about the billions he's investing in this)

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randall stoehr's avatar

One day in the future "Melinda" is bound to release her first book of her personal diary,

"What it has been like living with a wretched false philanthropist"!

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FedUpInOR's avatar

No she won’t. She’s just as evil

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Willing Spirit's avatar

So Bill could beat her to the punch with his own book.

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Barbara Moser's avatar

Trust that there are farmers like us who know better. We need a Dr. Gold of farmers to protect the livestock.

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AngelaK's avatar

The sad thing about people like him and Soros is their delusion (demonic in nature because they have no discernment from the Holy Spirit which comes from a humble hearted prayer and spiritual life). George Soros once said in an interview decades ago that he alwYs felt like he had a 'messianic' vision and purpose; this is clearly demonic delusion.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Indeed. He's also a frequent flier on Epstein's Pedo Plane.

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Ellen Komorowski's avatar

At our farmer's market this past Saturday, I asked my beef guy if he had had any pressure to vaccinate his cattle with mRNA and he said no. He also states that since he is a local, small rancher, he personally does everything for his cattle himself and would refuse to do it. I feel very good about the meat that I get from him.

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Peter GL's avatar

Which farmers market and farmer? Would be good to know

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Lisa's avatar

Big issue. I would like to hear more about it everywhere.

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Janet's avatar

Me too. If cooking kills it or degrades it. I’ll have to ask my small producers around me now what they are doing vax wise.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

I'd like the FLCCC to talk about livestock mRNA. So far nothing on their page.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/?s=livestock&id=6377

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randall stoehr's avatar

They are still dealing with halting mRNA being promoted in humans.

The kids shot charts for school is a crime.

And Far to go before I sleep...... R. Frost

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Queen Hotchibobo's avatar

Mad cow disease is caused by a misfolded protein, I believe. The incredible Jessica has pointed out that the jab includes the production of misfolded proteins, if I remember right.

That means heat won’t kill it.

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Janet's avatar

I remember now some years ago about the prions and Mad Cow. This is indeed frightening and apparently there are many more turbo cases of JC disease. God help us.

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KBB's avatar

Indeed, heat will not kill it. In fact surgical instruments that have been used on the brain or spinal cord of a patient with CJD have to be landfilled. If they are used on another patient, even after sterilization, they can transmit CJD. Prions are very scary things - not clear if they are even a life form.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Janet,

Exactly my concern and wondery. Regular cooking of meat takes it to ~150F +/-; canning to 241F. I read an article yesterday (from first decade of this millennium) in which lab workers were discussing this matter---finding mRNA damaged at 70C

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

158--I just look it up on converter

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

I just read that cooking doesn’t kill it!!

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Janet's avatar

Ugh. Someone said prions from misfolded proteins survive anything

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

Don’t know what that means but it doesn’t sound good!

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CraigN's avatar

See CWD in deer and elk. Nobody is saying it is safe to eat that meat cooked or not.

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Janet's avatar

Sh1t. Prions. Forgot about those. Ominous.

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Betsy Frost's avatar

This is the part that worries me. It seems that we ingest animal DNA and RNA all the time when we eat meat. Our digestive system deals with it. But are these new animal shots causing prion-like particles to be introduced?

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Janet's avatar

That makes sense. I would rather not worry about everything. I feel sorry for the animals though. Vaxxed zoo animals are dying , especially giraffes I’ve read after Covid shots.

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FourWinds's avatar

I would think stomach acid would, but we just don't know. That's the thing. I'd like to know how much, if any, of that garbage is passed on through meat and what our body does or does not do with it. I'm going to err on the side of caution for now and go with a farmer who said they will not use it in their animals, plus their beef tastes a whole lot better. :) Agreed 100% - they need to stop inbalancing and screwing up things nature had well in hand.

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Ellen Komorowski's avatar

I am wondering if they are really planning to vaccinate the cattle with mRNA or are they just trying to scare us so that we don't buy beef anymore. It would push their agenda towards eating bugs!

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Bingham22's avatar

According to Thomas Renz (who has the documents to prove it) they have been mRNA injecting pigs since 2018. Cows are more recent.

They are also working currently to mRNA gene edit corn, bananas, soybeans, wheat, barley, oats, lettuces, spinach, and so much more.

The companies doing this have released glowing infomercials about it.

Evil, it’s pure evil.

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My Favorite Things's avatar

I’ve been vegetarian now vegan for almost 35 years and never knowingly ate a bug. I don’t approve of the vaxx for animals, but don’t get yourself worked up about eating bugs. It’s not about that. They don’t care what you eat. It’s all about the money they’re making off the jabs.

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Scott Kinghorn's avatar

So is it true that mRNA vaxxes have been given to swine starting in 2018 for the prevention of swine flu? Believe it was from Merck and it's called Sequivity. Just wondering?

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My Favorite Things's avatar

Possibly. I think it’s horrific that they can do that to our food. I want to start my own garden. https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/edible-vaccines-promises-and-challenges

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Not sure about stomach acid survivability, but I think this is how they plan to do it:

"Lipid nanoparticles (LNPs) have emerged across the pharmaceutical industry as promising vehicles to deliver a variety of therapeutics. Currently in the spotlight as vital components of the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines, LNPs play a key role in effectively protecting and transporting mRNA to cells. "

Liposomes, an early version of LNPs, are a versatile nanomedicine delivery platform. A number of liposomal drugs have been approved and applied to medical practice. Subsequent generations of lipid nanocarriers, such as solid lipid nanoparticles, nanostructured lipid carriers, and cationic lipid–nucleic acid complexes, exhibit more complex architectures and enhanced physical stabilities. With their ability to encapsulate and deliver therapeutics to specific locations within the body and to release their contents at a desired time, LNPs provide a valuable platform for treatment of a variety of diseases.

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Christy's avatar

Totally agree. We raise our own animals for meat, but if they are putting into animal feed🤷🏻‍♀️

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Joanne Shannon's avatar

I also have read about a label on produce saying the product is protected with “apeel”, which increases the longevity before it becomes rotten.

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J Kaz's avatar

Per Tom Renz, you can go to a Substack today. He released one that said it’s already in our foods. I’m beyond upset. He thinks several articles and studies.

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J Kaz's avatar

Per his substack I meant

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IR's avatar

I also would like to hear what Jeff has to say and what we can do in terms of legislation. I sent a message on twitter to FL Commissioner of Agriculture Wilton Simpson and pointed out to him that Texas Commissioner of Agriculture promised to take the whole mRNA in livestock matter seriously. I also messaged Dr. Ladapo to see if his new Health Committee can look into this matter but I know a more organized attempt is needed to do something about it. I was just panic messaging hahaha. What I heard is although hydrochloric acid would normally break down any mRNA it may not be the case when it’s stabilized in LPN or in the form of milk because milk contains triglycerides, milk lipids, they may keep mRNA stable and it can survive otherwise unfavorable conditions of the stomach. Definitely something to think about. I’m so tired of worrying about everything, where are our representatives? Why is this supposed to be our job to sort out through all this stuff?

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Dr. Joseph Mercola just shared this today in his newsletter and I am APPALLED--how can this be permitted? Why??? Were they concerned about "losing their stock" to the Wuhan Virus???

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Jay Horton's avatar

No SBE, it's about control and money or vice versa.

Later Jay

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Sheep Dog's avatar

The Ships have Sailed...No port to return to.

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Nik's avatar

We are also very concerned about this.

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Harold Saive's avatar

You'll find a link to Dr. Malone's post on the topic here plus a little more - https://groups.google.com/g/town-square-news/c/SpBI23pQEoo/m/SwWjUZ0zBwAJ

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Here, in East Central Illinois home of the great Agricultural school, The University of Illinois, butcher shops were closed during The Pandemic, now what's left can't find good reliable workers and farmers can't keep feeding until they can get to them so meat farming has been killed off. Most of what's left is Chinese owned processors and huge feed lots.

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LS Woodruff's avatar

And the technology has been around for several years to spray our produce.

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J Kaz's avatar

I thought I replied to you, but I guess I replied somewhere else. Tom renz substack today has info. It is already in our food😡

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