I'm going to strongly recommend we finish the job of getting him into the White House before we start thinking about all of the possibilities.
YOU MUST GO VOTE IN SPITE OF EVERYTHING YOU ARE ABOUT TO READ! If you can vote in person on Tuesday do so, bring enough food and water that you can comfortably stay in line, but whatever you do, do…
I'm going to strongly recommend we finish the job of getting him into the White House before we start thinking about all of the possibilities.
YOU MUST GO VOTE IN SPITE OF EVERYTHING YOU ARE ABOUT TO READ! If you can vote in person on Tuesday do so, bring enough food and water that you can comfortably stay in line, but whatever you do, do not let anyone remove you from the line. If you have no choice but to vote early be prepared for something similar to this process which I suffered through.
I "voted" yesterday. I say "voted" because I went to the County Recorders office and told them I wanted to vote. After giving the clerk my photo ID Driver's license and several minutes, she came back and gave me a "blank" ballot - except for the unreadable computer code at the top. I went to one of the poll stations and made all my selections and had the machine print my ballot. After printing it, I checked the human readable portion of it and verified it had all my selections - it did. Of course I have no idea if the additional machine language which was also printed after "voting" - and is what the tabulator will read for my votes, accurately represented my vote - presumably with the same selections as I made, but who knows?
Anyhow, following the instructions from the clerk, now I had to take and FOLD the ballot twice to get it into the small envelope they gave me. I did NOT get to put it into a tabulation machine where my vote would be immediately registered. I then signed the envelope and put the ballot in their ballot box. She told me the ballot box would be emptied that night and the ballot removed from the envelope and sent to elections for counting in the next day or two!!!!
So, now I'm left wondering what will become of my folded ballot? Will it run through a tabulation machine or fail due to the folds and go to adjudication where they will vote for me? Will it be replaced by a pristine unfolded ballot with their choices somewhere during the move from recorders office to elections office?
Bottom line is I have no idea if my vote selections were tabulated or will ever be tabulated. I have no idea if the computer code at the top of my ballot equaled the human readable portion of the ballot.
But I went and "voted", mostly to see the process and report on it, and mostly to ensure they didn't prevent me from voting somehow on Tuesday.
I feel sick about it. I'm praying for divine intervention.
YOU MUST GO VOTE IN SPITE OF EVERYTHING I JUST WROTE!
If we get divine intervention and somehow win this s_Election, we must remove mail in balloting and programmable machines FOREVER from our elections.
We don't have early voting, only election day voting, unless you have a legitimate absentee ballot requirement (military service, out of the country, etc.). 100% on removing the machines and "vote by mail".
We need paper ballots, proper identification with voter against voter checklist with signature verification, election day in person voting unless legitimate absentee required (military service, etc.), hand counts, ballot preservation for a 10 year period, mandatory voter checklist certification to eliminate dead people voting, illegals, etc. also, make Federal Election Day a national holiday and/or make it a two day evolution. Simple. Let's Make Election Results Trustworthy Again!
Somewhere (here?) I recently read that our election need TWO things to be trustworthy: 1. Is a safe, verifiable election process. 2. Is public BELIEF that the process is safe and verifiable.
If either of those variables is absent, the system isn't working.
I did early voting for the first time ever on Wednesday. Stood in line for almost 3 hours.
This morning I went with my wife to repeat the process.
In Oklahoma, we get a paper ballot with little boxes out beside each candidate / question. You fill the chosen box in with ink, then after your entire ballot is complete, feed it into an electronic machine that records the votes and stores the ballot.
If any marks are made outside the boxes, or you try to write in a candidate, or try to vote for more than one candidate per election, the ballot is automatically voided and spat back to you.
No receipt is given to you so you just have to trust that it was tabulated correctly.
So the part of your process where you vote on paper is legit, your problem is letting the machines count it. LIkely, you also have no opportunity to do a manual hand count to verify the machines? See, I would be okay with the machines doing a count as long as a 100% hand count was also accomplished. But here in AZ the courts (yes the courts not the legislature) has ruled that only 2% of 5 races can be hand counted!! It's unbelievable and it happened right here in Cochise when a judge was sent here from Pima, a corrupt son of a bitch by the name of Mcginley who totally misinterpreted what it says in the legislation, which is that a minimum of 2% must be checked. Which means you could check all the way up to 100%. But he "interpreted" it differently and was not challenged by the county supervisors. They just fell in line.
Yep. We should have a counting verification process for the machines. Maybe not even for each machine but a random selection.
A poll official counts while someone from each party observes. Everyone has to certify under penalty of perjury that the counts matched the machines exactly.
If a machine has a mismatch in the counts, those ballots would be counted again and the totals taken from the hand count.
And at that point, all machines at that polling location would have to be hand counted.
I mostly agree Fred. But I believe the only way you can have full certainty is to hand count 100% of the ballots and every race on every ballot. Beside the fact that the outcomes are so damned important as they determine how our lives (freedom, liberty, pursuit of happiness, self determination) will be in our counties, state, and country, it would allow us to understand with complete certainty whether the machines are properly counting the vote. That they will not let us hand count to verify the machine count tells you everything.
Was just about to add: from time to time - happened with a race for Tulsa mayor just a couple months ago - a candidate will ask for a hand recount.
In which case the recount always is within one or maybe two votes, and usually the exact same. I remember thinking in this case that it was a waste of time & money. And it was.
I get the reason and recent history with a corrupt process in AZ though.
The problem is with programmable machines, and these machines are connected to the network, or which can bridge the air gap with thumb drives, can give you any outcome you want. So maybe for the Mayor of Tulsa, they ran the system with no algorithms, ran it straight and clean, in order to create a sense within the electorate the machines can be trusted for other more important elections like this one coming up. As long as they are programmable as all these are, you must never assume that because one election was clean, therefore all elections are. You just can't do that, that's why the machines must go, mail in ballots must go and everything returned to a certifiable and verifiable process.
The Tulsa mayoral race was just the most recent example. But I completely agree. If we’re gonna use electronic tabulator machines, there must be strict manual auditing built in to the process.
Anything else leaves the question in the voters’ minds, and destroys the trust that a one-man-one-vote system requires.
As I said elsewhere yesterday, we absolutely need a constitutional amendment coupled with federal legislation that spells out the minimum actions necessary for a state to effect these goals.
But what did the "feds" give us instead? The HAVA act and the Federal Post Card Voter Registration Application which does not require documentary proof of citizenship, you simply check the box to state you are a citizen.
And they gave us the J6 fauxsurrection and conducted a coup d'etat, not only against Trump but the American people.
The entire fed government must be dismantled, including not on the executive branch and deep state, but the Legislative branch which no longer represents the people and the Judiciary, which includes weaponized lawfare at every level.
I don't think it is pristine at all Daniel. I am just saying that I haven't had the opportunity to vote yet (I would have voted early in person, if we had that option - which I never have, but President Trump encouraged everyone to vote early and I would have done it this year), because we do not have early voting (standard in person or mail in) in NH. Our town is paper ballots and hand count. I always assist with the count to keep an eye on things too... I don't even trust that system when it comes to the Dems.
Larger towns do unfortunately have the Dominion and other vote "counting" machines, so I am under no illusion that they will not be stealing NH and others like they did in 2004, 2016, 2020, and frankly, I believe they always do.
I followed closely all the cheating systems that Mike Lindell, 2000 Mules (Dinesh D'Souza) and all the battles that Kari Lake, Mark Finchem and others did in AZ and the other "swing" states.
The unconstitutional ways (state supreme courts decisions in PA, consent decrees in GA, secretaries of states making their own decisions, illegal drop boxes in WI) in states like (AZ, WI, GA, PA to name a few) that changed their voting mechanics without the state legislatures doing it, as directed by Article 1, Section 4 of the US Constitution. That should have been enough to reset the election, but the cowardly supreme court and Judas Pence refused to acknowledge reality.
Believe me, we are in this fight for the Republic together against the evil one and his minions.
Just to be clear, I wasn't knocking your system with my pristine comment. I was merely saying that even if you system was pristine-ly perfect, the fact that mine is full of fraud will allow the criminals to steal the election from both of us the way they have set it up with 7 "swing states" that determine the election for all 50. And if fucking pisses me off.
I also agree with you that if there are machines involved in counting the vote, then they will be used to achieve the outcome they want, and then will use the media to proclaim everything was perfect and corrupt judges to rule against anyone who should dare challenge the result.
When we lose this s_Election, we are going to need another shot heard around the world, another Concorde and Lexington to set the country back on course.
Here in Arizona they did the change to machines at County level to make it appear it was each county's choice to do it. But they didn't follow the Constitution of AZ which requires 15% of the electorate to approve the Initiative, put it on a ballot and have everyone vote (we hadn't realized at the time the initiative process required 15% of us to approve it before it would go on an election ballot - and of course none of those who did were talking because everyone was going to make a lot of money and/or stay in power over us). The 3 supervisors and our corrupt elections director at the time just forced it down our throats. It's likely they all got paid enormous sums to do it.
Then of course the pLandemic allowed them to institute mass mail in voting (whole sale ballot fraud) to complete their system just in time for the the 2020 election. Done under the guise of an emergency, again the electorate were never given the choice of wanting it or not.
Don't even get me started on Benedict Pence.
Yes, we are in it together, I'm just not sure how we coalesce into a force that can reckon with the problem?
Daniel, I got to vote my absentee ballot in-person (early voting in MI) and put the ballot in the tabulator which registered a green check mark on the screen.
Does that mean it will be counted the way I voted? No, it does not.
BUT as even Seth Keshel says (if you know who he is), that early voting is as much or more about the narrative war against our deceitful opponents' narratives, as it is about anything else.
He is going to vote on election day, but does understand why some would vote early and bank their vote.
I believe there is value in all of us voting by any (legal) means.
But they are still going to steal it with massive mail in ballot fraud and if that is not enough, then brute force number changing by the s_Election machines.
The real issue is what are Americans going to do about it when we are told Kakala won, the Senate is dem majority and the House is dem majority?
I hope we are ready to FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
PS, yes, I do know Seth, have spoken with him face to face. He's a good guy, I'd say a Patriot, but really hasn't been able to do much about ending the fraud, he has at least been able to show people how the fraud was done.
Susan, do you know him personally (not asking to be antagonistic)?
I know him not from time in the Army -we were in at different times - but only as someone who thoughtfully put forward the case for how our elections are stolen.
He is a former Army Military Intelligence Captain. Very good at analysis of both what happened in an event and what is about to happen based on understanding how the enemy is equipped, manned and how they operate as well as historical records. His presentations are detailed and documented. The only problem is that the courts blocked every case to present the evidence. Of course the media says there were something like 60 challenges, all thrown out! But not thrown out on merit, only on standing or laches (another bullshit way of saying you should have brought the case before the election.) Complete bullshit.
Massachusetts, once one of the greatest States in the union, in fact, the Revolutionary War began here at Concord and Lexington. Oh Massachusetts, what happened to thee?
I know!!!! Lets ask Pocohontas Warren? Ed Markey? Bruce Springsteen? What happened?!
Do most people in Mass actually agree with these fools and others like them? Or do they just not realize they have no say in the s_Elections?
I think they might, or they don't vote. I bet Pres Trump does better this time, maybe closer to 43%, but around 38% is what the typical RINO Republican presidential candidate gets (Romney, McCain, Bush 43). The patriots in MA simply get "outvoted" by the university and medical establishment crowds (NIMBYs) located inside of the I-495 beltway corridor. Unfortunately, it is spreading to the rest MA and the rest of New England. That is what happened to the Maine 1st district area. It is filled with leftists (a large number of NIMBY's from MA that moved into that area to escape what they destroyed, and only to bring their Demonrat policies with them.
I'm going to strongly recommend we finish the job of getting him into the White House before we start thinking about all of the possibilities.
YOU MUST GO VOTE IN SPITE OF EVERYTHING YOU ARE ABOUT TO READ! If you can vote in person on Tuesday do so, bring enough food and water that you can comfortably stay in line, but whatever you do, do not let anyone remove you from the line. If you have no choice but to vote early be prepared for something similar to this process which I suffered through.
I "voted" yesterday. I say "voted" because I went to the County Recorders office and told them I wanted to vote. After giving the clerk my photo ID Driver's license and several minutes, she came back and gave me a "blank" ballot - except for the unreadable computer code at the top. I went to one of the poll stations and made all my selections and had the machine print my ballot. After printing it, I checked the human readable portion of it and verified it had all my selections - it did. Of course I have no idea if the additional machine language which was also printed after "voting" - and is what the tabulator will read for my votes, accurately represented my vote - presumably with the same selections as I made, but who knows?
Anyhow, following the instructions from the clerk, now I had to take and FOLD the ballot twice to get it into the small envelope they gave me. I did NOT get to put it into a tabulation machine where my vote would be immediately registered. I then signed the envelope and put the ballot in their ballot box. She told me the ballot box would be emptied that night and the ballot removed from the envelope and sent to elections for counting in the next day or two!!!!
So, now I'm left wondering what will become of my folded ballot? Will it run through a tabulation machine or fail due to the folds and go to adjudication where they will vote for me? Will it be replaced by a pristine unfolded ballot with their choices somewhere during the move from recorders office to elections office?
Bottom line is I have no idea if my vote selections were tabulated or will ever be tabulated. I have no idea if the computer code at the top of my ballot equaled the human readable portion of the ballot.
But I went and "voted", mostly to see the process and report on it, and mostly to ensure they didn't prevent me from voting somehow on Tuesday.
I feel sick about it. I'm praying for divine intervention.
YOU MUST GO VOTE IN SPITE OF EVERYTHING I JUST WROTE!
If we get divine intervention and somehow win this s_Election, we must remove mail in balloting and programmable machines FOREVER from our elections.
We don't have early voting, only election day voting, unless you have a legitimate absentee ballot requirement (military service, out of the country, etc.). 100% on removing the machines and "vote by mail".
We need paper ballots, proper identification with voter against voter checklist with signature verification, election day in person voting unless legitimate absentee required (military service, etc.), hand counts, ballot preservation for a 10 year period, mandatory voter checklist certification to eliminate dead people voting, illegals, etc. also, make Federal Election Day a national holiday and/or make it a two day evolution. Simple. Let's Make Election Results Trustworthy Again!
100%
Later Jay
Im in Arizona, where election fraud is rampant. Where are you, Gary? What machines do they use to "process" (change) your vote?
And remember this, their stealing our election here, affects your outcome too, regardless of how pristine your process may or may not be.
Somewhere (here?) I recently read that our election need TWO things to be trustworthy: 1. Is a safe, verifiable election process. 2. Is public BELIEF that the process is safe and verifiable.
If either of those variables is absent, the system isn't working.
100% agree. The system is not working.
I did early voting for the first time ever on Wednesday. Stood in line for almost 3 hours.
This morning I went with my wife to repeat the process.
In Oklahoma, we get a paper ballot with little boxes out beside each candidate / question. You fill the chosen box in with ink, then after your entire ballot is complete, feed it into an electronic machine that records the votes and stores the ballot.
If any marks are made outside the boxes, or you try to write in a candidate, or try to vote for more than one candidate per election, the ballot is automatically voided and spat back to you.
No receipt is given to you so you just have to trust that it was tabulated correctly.
Same for Hellinois.
So the part of your process where you vote on paper is legit, your problem is letting the machines count it. LIkely, you also have no opportunity to do a manual hand count to verify the machines? See, I would be okay with the machines doing a count as long as a 100% hand count was also accomplished. But here in AZ the courts (yes the courts not the legislature) has ruled that only 2% of 5 races can be hand counted!! It's unbelievable and it happened right here in Cochise when a judge was sent here from Pima, a corrupt son of a bitch by the name of Mcginley who totally misinterpreted what it says in the legislation, which is that a minimum of 2% must be checked. Which means you could check all the way up to 100%. But he "interpreted" it differently and was not challenged by the county supervisors. They just fell in line.
Yep. We should have a counting verification process for the machines. Maybe not even for each machine but a random selection.
A poll official counts while someone from each party observes. Everyone has to certify under penalty of perjury that the counts matched the machines exactly.
If a machine has a mismatch in the counts, those ballots would be counted again and the totals taken from the hand count.
And at that point, all machines at that polling location would have to be hand counted.
I mostly agree Fred. But I believe the only way you can have full certainty is to hand count 100% of the ballots and every race on every ballot. Beside the fact that the outcomes are so damned important as they determine how our lives (freedom, liberty, pursuit of happiness, self determination) will be in our counties, state, and country, it would allow us to understand with complete certainty whether the machines are properly counting the vote. That they will not let us hand count to verify the machine count tells you everything.
Was just about to add: from time to time - happened with a race for Tulsa mayor just a couple months ago - a candidate will ask for a hand recount.
In which case the recount always is within one or maybe two votes, and usually the exact same. I remember thinking in this case that it was a waste of time & money. And it was.
I get the reason and recent history with a corrupt process in AZ though.
The problem is with programmable machines, and these machines are connected to the network, or which can bridge the air gap with thumb drives, can give you any outcome you want. So maybe for the Mayor of Tulsa, they ran the system with no algorithms, ran it straight and clean, in order to create a sense within the electorate the machines can be trusted for other more important elections like this one coming up. As long as they are programmable as all these are, you must never assume that because one election was clean, therefore all elections are. You just can't do that, that's why the machines must go, mail in ballots must go and everything returned to a certifiable and verifiable process.
The Tulsa mayoral race was just the most recent example. But I completely agree. If we’re gonna use electronic tabulator machines, there must be strict manual auditing built in to the process.
Anything else leaves the question in the voters’ minds, and destroys the trust that a one-man-one-vote system requires.
As I said elsewhere yesterday, we absolutely need a constitutional amendment coupled with federal legislation that spells out the minimum actions necessary for a state to effect these goals.
Agreed.
But what did the "feds" give us instead? The HAVA act and the Federal Post Card Voter Registration Application which does not require documentary proof of citizenship, you simply check the box to state you are a citizen.
And they gave us the J6 fauxsurrection and conducted a coup d'etat, not only against Trump but the American people.
The entire fed government must be dismantled, including not on the executive branch and deep state, but the Legislative branch which no longer represents the people and the Judiciary, which includes weaponized lawfare at every level.
I don't think it is pristine at all Daniel. I am just saying that I haven't had the opportunity to vote yet (I would have voted early in person, if we had that option - which I never have, but President Trump encouraged everyone to vote early and I would have done it this year), because we do not have early voting (standard in person or mail in) in NH. Our town is paper ballots and hand count. I always assist with the count to keep an eye on things too... I don't even trust that system when it comes to the Dems.
Larger towns do unfortunately have the Dominion and other vote "counting" machines, so I am under no illusion that they will not be stealing NH and others like they did in 2004, 2016, 2020, and frankly, I believe they always do.
I followed closely all the cheating systems that Mike Lindell, 2000 Mules (Dinesh D'Souza) and all the battles that Kari Lake, Mark Finchem and others did in AZ and the other "swing" states.
The unconstitutional ways (state supreme courts decisions in PA, consent decrees in GA, secretaries of states making their own decisions, illegal drop boxes in WI) in states like (AZ, WI, GA, PA to name a few) that changed their voting mechanics without the state legislatures doing it, as directed by Article 1, Section 4 of the US Constitution. That should have been enough to reset the election, but the cowardly supreme court and Judas Pence refused to acknowledge reality.
Believe me, we are in this fight for the Republic together against the evil one and his minions.
Hi Gary,
Just to be clear, I wasn't knocking your system with my pristine comment. I was merely saying that even if you system was pristine-ly perfect, the fact that mine is full of fraud will allow the criminals to steal the election from both of us the way they have set it up with 7 "swing states" that determine the election for all 50. And if fucking pisses me off.
I also agree with you that if there are machines involved in counting the vote, then they will be used to achieve the outcome they want, and then will use the media to proclaim everything was perfect and corrupt judges to rule against anyone who should dare challenge the result.
When we lose this s_Election, we are going to need another shot heard around the world, another Concorde and Lexington to set the country back on course.
Here in Arizona they did the change to machines at County level to make it appear it was each county's choice to do it. But they didn't follow the Constitution of AZ which requires 15% of the electorate to approve the Initiative, put it on a ballot and have everyone vote (we hadn't realized at the time the initiative process required 15% of us to approve it before it would go on an election ballot - and of course none of those who did were talking because everyone was going to make a lot of money and/or stay in power over us). The 3 supervisors and our corrupt elections director at the time just forced it down our throats. It's likely they all got paid enormous sums to do it.
Then of course the pLandemic allowed them to institute mass mail in voting (whole sale ballot fraud) to complete their system just in time for the the 2020 election. Done under the guise of an emergency, again the electorate were never given the choice of wanting it or not.
Don't even get me started on Benedict Pence.
Yes, we are in it together, I'm just not sure how we coalesce into a force that can reckon with the problem?
Daniel, I got to vote my absentee ballot in-person (early voting in MI) and put the ballot in the tabulator which registered a green check mark on the screen.
Does that mean it will be counted the way I voted? No, it does not.
BUT as even Seth Keshel says (if you know who he is), that early voting is as much or more about the narrative war against our deceitful opponents' narratives, as it is about anything else.
He is going to vote on election day, but does understand why some would vote early and bank their vote.
I believe there is value in all of us voting by any (legal) means.
No bemoaning we didn't 'get out the vote.'
VOTE. VOTE. VOTE!
I agree we have to go "vote".
But they are still going to steal it with massive mail in ballot fraud and if that is not enough, then brute force number changing by the s_Election machines.
The real issue is what are Americans going to do about it when we are told Kakala won, the Senate is dem majority and the House is dem majority?
I hope we are ready to FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
PS, yes, I do know Seth, have spoken with him face to face. He's a good guy, I'd say a Patriot, but really hasn't been able to do much about ending the fraud, he has at least been able to show people how the fraud was done.
Seth is not your best resource. Just sayin'.
Susan, do you know him personally (not asking to be antagonistic)?
I know him not from time in the Army -we were in at different times - but only as someone who thoughtfully put forward the case for how our elections are stolen.
He is a former Army Military Intelligence Captain. Very good at analysis of both what happened in an event and what is about to happen based on understanding how the enemy is equipped, manned and how they operate as well as historical records. His presentations are detailed and documented. The only problem is that the courts blocked every case to present the evidence. Of course the media says there were something like 60 challenges, all thrown out! But not thrown out on merit, only on standing or laches (another bullshit way of saying you should have brought the case before the election.) Complete bullshit.
Great comment, thank you.
I'd say you were in Massachusetts...except that you had to present your ID.
*sigh*
Massachusetts, once one of the greatest States in the union, in fact, the Revolutionary War began here at Concord and Lexington. Oh Massachusetts, what happened to thee?
I know!!!! Lets ask Pocohontas Warren? Ed Markey? Bruce Springsteen? What happened?!
Do most people in Mass actually agree with these fools and others like them? Or do they just not realize they have no say in the s_Elections?
I think they might, or they don't vote. I bet Pres Trump does better this time, maybe closer to 43%, but around 38% is what the typical RINO Republican presidential candidate gets (Romney, McCain, Bush 43). The patriots in MA simply get "outvoted" by the university and medical establishment crowds (NIMBYs) located inside of the I-495 beltway corridor. Unfortunately, it is spreading to the rest MA and the rest of New England. That is what happened to the Maine 1st district area. It is filled with leftists (a large number of NIMBY's from MA that moved into that area to escape what they destroyed, and only to bring their Demonrat policies with them.