What I am about to say is probably going to upset some readers, but truth must be voiced. Being an immigrant who went through the loop of becoming a lawful citizen.... I came to USA over 25 years ago... at the time I had discovered that native people were less motivated to work, instead they complained a ton about life being unfair. Comi…
What I am about to say is probably going to upset some readers, but truth must be voiced. Being an immigrant who went through the loop of becoming a lawful citizen.... I came to USA over 25 years ago... at the time I had discovered that native people were less motivated to work, instead they complained a ton about life being unfair. Coming from a country of lesser opportunities, I wasted not time complaining. I took the jobs, I did them better than well. I wasn't afraid to work more than an average employee, I didn't care about schedules or unpaid hours, I did my job best. I grew, I got promoted quickly. I have been since in shock about how much people are willing to b*tch and whine while missing out on the opportunities.
Bath to the present day. Having the money I have now, I will hire the motivated and eager to work people in lieu of these who give high pitch sale speeches with big promises for a lot more money.
legal immigrants, paid all the fees, went to all the different places, had to wait a long time, then swore in. I am upset by all the people who are now given free stuff, without having to jump through all the hoops we did.
I'm so thankful for ppl like you! You are the quin essential American!! You know more about America and what she is meant to be more than the generational citizens who have allowed their children to be bought.
Thank you for this. America as I know it is not America that democratic party pushes for. I came from a place where democratic party leads America to and it was not the land of limitless opportunities. I will give my vote to Mr. Trump any day. He knows. He really does know
Likewise. I emigrated legally as a ten-year old with my family from Germany. First my parents worked their butts off, then I did as well, cleaning houses, caring for elderly, then won a scholarship to become the first in my family to graduate from college, and became the embodiment of the American dream. What political narrative decided that GIVING FREEBIES TO ILLEGALS would be a good idea????? Disgusting.
they took all the damn worthless vaxxines forced upon them too....not so with the illegal border jumpers...now we're finding out a lot of them are about to coordinate and attack us from within, planned by the corruption deep actors behind our govt facade!
yes, we were not even asked if we had them before or if we had the illnesses (which I did) as kids. we were just punctured without any questions. Informed consent? never heard of. I had to redo my application so got 2 sets. And that will be the last ever
legal immigration is quite tough ! they could make that a bit easier and less legalese! And even that was different for some. At the ceremony I set next to a young woman who came in her Mercedes sports car and only had to wait 6 weeks, while I in my 15 year old Toyota van had to wait a year and a half, had to take the jabs, which she did not.. she obviously knew another door than I did LOL
it should be tough in other ways. Most countries require at least a basic knowledge of the language. I think that is a must. Some basic knowledge about the history and political siituation. And some information should be given, like the lack of health care and the obligatory Xray and injections. The total mess of health care and insurance was a new for me LOL
Canada as a country is suffering in so many ways, over the past 5-6 years.
More so since the "Ukraine" war.
It's unbelievable to me, for instance, in a country with a large population of unskilled young Canadians willing to work (and who speak and understand English...):
Young Ukrainians and young people from India and Pakistan are being hired (and trained) to perform those 'entry level" jobs.
I can list numerous examples of negative experiences I've had, due to these new "hiring practices".
Just saying.
PS: They behave like they are ENTITLED. Live with "their own", barely speak English (and no French but mine is poor too...) and seem to dislike Canadians.
They turn up their nose to "serve" us and do it badly.
Hate to actually write all that but truth is truth.
it goes without saying, that a country should first and foremost take care of its own people. Why are these young Canadians unschooled, though? there must be schools were they could learn what is needed for a job? I remember from the old country, that they did the same - they 'imported' Polish and other former East block people because there were no 'skilled' laborors ; which means, not at the wage they wanted to pay ! As for myself, I preferred to work for myself rather than for an American boss.
Not everyone wants to go to Trade School at age 18, and if they do? Many need jobs to PAY for it.
Same with Uni: not everyone is a "scholar"... and if they are? Not everyone has well-to-do parents to foot the expenses.
So they need to WORK.
Young people seek "entry level" minimum wage jobs like:
Baristas, servers, fast food counter staff, convenience store clerks, Walmart "associates", even poker dealers and "security" jobs.
They can't get 'em though...
Elderly Canadians are being "served" by young foreigners who congregate at the self-check out, nattering amongst themselves in their native tongue... Completely ignoring customers. (Unless they are clearly Indian. Then they help them. In their native tongue.)
I live in a "tourist" town. Primarily a service industry town (no manufacring left...). Tourists and locals alike are "served" there food or dealt their cards by "handsome" or "pretty" young Ukrainian refugees who don't understand or speak English but they're also pretty incompetent and have a sense of "entitlement".
They have disdain for us... When asked how do they "like" Canada? Oh, how much "worse" Canada is than "back home"...
Companies are following deliberate (perhaps unwritten) hiring practices.
ah, thanks. Living in a small, rural village in Georgia we do not have this kind of people. But I do remember some girls in a warehouse in Belgium who stood in the back doing nothing talking in their native language while we were working hard. Some of their compatriots talked with disdain about these profiteers. Most were Algerian, Tunisian or Turkish, and most hard working, like us! But these 2...
The only ones who are upset bc of your truths are the ones who lack incentive & work ethic.
You’ve nailed the state of our Union today.
America is about opportunity not equal outcomes for all.
Kudos to you for making the most of your opportunities with hard work, commitment, & perseverance! You exhibit the spirit of America at her best.
Naturalized citizens have my respect & admiration always. I believe they appreciate what we have here better than many natural born citizens.
Rush Limbaugh once pointed out that our Declaration of Independence declares ….”the PURSUIT of happiness” … not automatic happiness. It’s opportunity for that happiness.
You nailed it. By knowing the difference I value and appreciate. My spouse is born American from a struggling family who also built up from ground up. We both love this country and we do not want to lose what we have. Next election has so much at stake
I think this synopsis leaves out a large chunk of the picture. I love legal immigrants as yourself. But I do believe that if you tried to replicate what you accomplished in the past in today’s economy and government you could not.
I also have a problem with the ones that come here today and have no intention of being “American,” and don’t do the hard work to become a citizen, but then they loudly tout how we OWE them big time because this country was built on their backs since they took the jobs none of us would. Yes, one of the new illegal immigrants recently claimed that and it was caught on hidden camera. That’s just not a truthful picture at all. Many of those jobs our citizens WOULD have taken but they didn’t pay what was bare minimum just to survive and feed their family. An illegal immigrant comes not wanting any American dream to own property or advance, or to raise an American family and children, and so they can live day to day in a way that nobody should have to live just to take the job over them. Many of them lived in single rooms with dozens of others and sent money back home since it was worth more there than it was here. They could not have lived here on those wages.
If our country was solely built on their backs, which I’m sorry it just wasn’t, but for the sake of argument if it was, then why in the hell did they never do these great things for their own country? And if they couldn’t then why didn’t they become American citizens and work to advance as you did, and then give loyalty and respect to their fellow citizens? Most couldn’t on the wages they agreed to work for.
I think this is a multifaceted situation and yours is just one small part of it, and while admirable and praiseworthy it is not fair to assume that those of us born here weren’t willing to work as hard as you did. We were, we did, and we are, and still it’s not enough anymore.
You have just described the culture of public school which is not EDUCATION but indoctrination having taken the place of parent and church with substitutes whose only interest is teaching subservience without love, charity, or thankfulness to human excrement who only want to get money to play. What they have children for is beyond my.... Are they that stupid? Yes.
Matthew 10:21 ...and children shall rise up against parents, and cause them to be put to death.
Mark 13:11 ...and children shall rise up against parents, and cause them to be put to death.
Romans 1:28-32 ...they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, hateful to God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, unmerciful: who, knowing the ordinance of God, that they that practise such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also consent with them that practise them.
2Tim. 3:1-4 But know this, that in the last days grievous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, railers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, implacable, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, no lovers of good, traitors, headstrong, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God; holding a form of godliness...
It’s called the American dream for a reason. Too bad our native born people seem only to want the fantasy of it and not the hard work it requires. If they don’t wake up quickly, it will become a national nightmare. Sweet dreams to all who honor work and strive to succeed and make the world a better place!
A steady diet of pathetic role models. The opportunists entrenched in elected offices are no better. We need to show and tell our people, “Stand at the crossroads and look; ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it’” (Jeremiah 6:16).
We absolutely want hard-working, legal immigrants like you. My father was one who came over from Cuba many years ago without any money. He put himself through school, became a dentist, served in the army during the Korean War, and was a hard-working, taxpaying citizen. Some of the people who come over now have heard about the free ride and places such as New York City, where they’re handed a free place to stay and $1000 debit cards.
Yes! My husband is an immigrant who fled his country in 1979. He came here with a few phrases in English and $2,000. He never took a penny from the government, ever. He drove a taxi out of LAX, and learned English studying the Thomas Guide and watching sitcoms on television. He would get up at 4am to prepare to drive an ice cream truck to Malibu beach and he sold ice cream during the summers while he went to community college. He made 20,000 each summer, which was a lot in 1980. Still today, he’s up before 5am and begins his day. He became very successful and wealth has followed.
I should also say that he is a Republican and a conservative, always has been. I was always on the more liberal side, and he would never get angry; he would just tell me that I was ‘naive’ and in his opinion, many Americans are. Eventually I woke up.
Immigrants as a whole can get a bad wrap. There are many who are socially conservative, and who will vote that way. Also, most do want to work and they work hard. They have the American dream in their hearts and minds and bring it to fruition. I fully agree with your comment.
Your husband epitomizes the American spirit. “We are a nation of immigrants” is a half-truth attempt to justify open borders when it should be a reminder that we are a nation of fresh starts and Godly gratitude for opportunities to make dreams come true.
A sad truth, Reader. A Chinese immigrant doctor I met one time expressed the same sentiment to me - "All you have to do is try," she said, about how easy it is to progress and succeed in the U.S. A friend originally from Benin said it's considered an insult among African immigrants to be called 'African-American,' because of the association with a lazy, entitled attitude.
You came here legally and followed the law which is good. You now reward the country that gave you far more than your home country ever could have (or you would have never left) by calling it's citizens a bunch of lazy malcontents.
Just maybe you could have come here, made your pile, and been grateful about the opportunity given you. Instead you take the opportunity to trash the people of the country that took you in.
This seems kind of harsh. If you have tried hiring from the pool of say, 20-somethings recently, you know that finding a hardcore work ethic is rare. It's not non-existent, just rare. I don't know how people get it, whether it is a personality type or environment or both, but it stands to reason that in a country with cushier accoutrements (like US of A), a person isn't going to develop that work ethic much via environment--there are just too many things that are pre-made, pre-prepared, pre-fabbed for us. I think this commenter is probably amazed that we have had it so good, materially, (too good, imho, not that I am not grateful but I see it as the "good times make weak men" chestnut) that entire skillsets and motivations have been lost, because Americans are trained FIRST to consume, and only SECOND to produce. I'm thinking this person's not trashing ALL the people, but like I said, a real work ethic is a rare thing, and has been for a few years now.
I’m pretty sure they aren’t trashing most, just the fact that they’ve all come from so much worse places, to see the ungrateful lazy fucks we have as half our nation, I agree with them. I busted my ass all my life to get where I’m at, and I don’t care who you are, or where you came from,if youre lazy, then you suck. You deserve nothing. And if you are willing to put your all into a shit job, with hopes to get better,welcome aboard. Here’s a person who is now hiring others, and I can’t imagine doing that in these days. So many people just suck. My bride brought a new nurse on board, just a few years ago. Orientation,training, for months. whole nine. First day she was to start on her own, she doesn’t show. Bride calls her, and she says, “oh didn’t I tell you I was moving back to Montana”? Who does that? People that suck.
Lol look around you Jeff. Sadly many of our own American citizens ARE lazy, entitled malcontents. What is it? You can’t stand the truth if it comes from a former outsider that is now a legal immigrant?
I didn't say that he was lying, nor did I disagree with his conclusion.
I pointed out that as a first generation immigrant, who had far more opportunity here than he would have had in his home country, he could have made his point without trashing the people who live here. He could have explained his rags to riches story without including "Americans are lazy complainers" which is the distillation of what he said. It reeks of ingratitude.
Plus there are plenty of Americans that do work hard and have their own rags to riches story (I know as I'm one of them). And there are plenty of bums in his home country that don't work hard or there would have been more opportunity there and he would have never left.
I have no problem with truth whatsoever. I do have a huge problem with people who come here, manage to make a pile of money, then trash Americans. Seriously, how is this any different from Illhan Omar?
The shallow thinking in these comments amazes me sometimes. I take issue with an immigrant trashing native born Americans and you claim I can't stand the truth? Did I say what he said was false? Of course not. I took issue with his ingratitude, which I made perfectly clear in my comment.
Edit: After thinking about this more I don't mean to take this all out on Reader. My frustration is that this self-hatred is what thirty years of media-induced collective guilt and "turn the other cheek Christianity" has wrought. An immigrant trashes native-born Americans as lazy complainers, and instead of being annoyed at the chutzpah of it, commenters fall all over themselves to agree with it.
I see your point, JC. He did admit reactions like yours have merit. My takeaway is more like, “Lazy people don’t succeed, and they’re stupid to complain about it.” That seems like a universal truth. It’s ironic in the land of opportunity.
Here’s the difference; I don’t take anything he said as trashing Americans.
I took it as Reader voicing surprised criticism on the poor work ethic of some people that he’s encountered. He’s entitled to his opinions and need not be a native born American to be justified in having them. This is no different than men expressing criticisms about abortion or non-medical professionals criticizing vaccines or people without children criticizing schools for indoctrinating kids.
Jeff C - Fla Mom expressed it best about new Americans from Africa. It doesn’t apply to you, or to me or to many others, but SHE, Ingrid, has a right to comment on the obvious as you have a right to feel insulted. I think we all frequently see what she describes in the American workforce and in our society in general. She possibly earned her right to comment on the all-too-obvious. Think this out, pls.
The best people I worked with and supervised were not the most intelligent or the most talented; rather the best people were those who most enthusiastic about working.
I suspect many of the illegal immigrants streaming across our southern border are enthusiastic about the opportunities now available to them here in the United States, unlike the countries they struggled so hard to flee from. They may surprise the Democrat/Communist strategists when they don’t vote for socialism.
I wish it were true that a contingency of illegal immigrants would have a work ethic and be against socialism… but the data contradicts that. People have said “they come here to do jobs Americans won’t do”, etc… The data actually shows they are huge recipients of social welfare handouts. I can’t remember the actual percentage, but it’s high, like in the 80s I believe. So actually they come here for handouts, not work (the ones that aren’t even worse criminals).
They might still come for work, but it's a rare person who will reject free money. There are plenty of hardworking farm hands where I live, who are immigrants.
Our government, particularly the federal government, is the entity at fault. I don’t blame the people illegally crossing our borders, but like drugs and alcohol once people get hooked on the government handouts, it becomes very hard to break free. The same can be said for a whole variety of federal government programs where the government has usurped power and wealth rightly belonging to the states and the people and used it to wield undue influence and control. Sadly too few recognize they have been suckered in.
Do I ‘blame’ those who cross our borders illegally? I think that’s the wrong term. I hold them accountable for breaking our laws. I hold our oath-breaking elected officials accountable for breaking their oaths of office.
The free money can’t last forever, and people in the habit of getting a free ride will suddenly get kicked off the bus. I wonder what kind of reaction the psy-op planners expect.
I hope so, and not that you should be suspicious of your neighbors, but “illegal immigrant” doesn’t mean none know how to fit in. Since the Mexican-American War, the southern border has been leaky both directions. Many illegals still sneak in, behave and lay low, take hard-labor jobs under the table, and happily earn minimum wage. Some work here for 4-6 months and go back to Mexico to live like kings the rest of the year. Rinse, repeat. Border states have functioned fairly well that way. The problems have always been cash leaving the US, fewer entry-level jobs, and too many American kids who don’t know the value of starting at the bottom and working hard with dirty fingernails.
My kids are a few of the best and brightest and I have friends that have much the same and frankly DEI and COVID sht has made what America work place was forty years ago unbearable. They KEEP ppl who only want to be slave holders and they abuse those with real work ethic and it happens to the older generation who are towing the line for higher ups who fawn and excuse worthless ungrateful lazy lustful idiots like themselves.
A friend of mine who owns a landscaping company says about a certain group of workers (you can use your imagination as to what group) that the ethos is this:
One guy will take 8 hours to dig a 20-foot ditch.
The next guy who works the job will take 8 hours to dig a 15-foot ditch.
A third guy will spend the 8 hours digging 10 feet of ditch.
And be recognized by the first two as the smartest one.
While he said this about a certain immigrant culture, I have observed the same mentality among Teamsters of all races, all ethnicities. I know because I was one. And I was the one who pissed all the others off, because I'd finish my route 3 hours earlier than the other guys. I had a knife pulled on me, a guy telling me to knock it off, slow down. I didn't, then they started giving me the worst routes. Whatever. I'm never gonna be that person who takes a nap on the route. You literally can't pay me to do that!
I live in AL. Nothing you said upset me. People who come here with nothing but the clothes on their back do better than some (not most) of our own native-born. It's a fact. Many people born here don't want to work and they don't have patience to work hard, make good decisions, and build wealth. They fall for get-rich-quick-schemes like buying lottery tickets and other sorts of gambling. When that doesn't work, they drink alcohol or do drugs, or sometimes they start with the drugs first. It's our fault, not yours.
If some people can't relate to my comments, try living in a high % welfare grifter state. My first job was at a grocery store located across from section 8 housing. Anyone who's seen 1/10th of what I've seen is against generous social welfare.
What I am about to say is probably going to upset some readers, but truth must be voiced. Being an immigrant who went through the loop of becoming a lawful citizen.... I came to USA over 25 years ago... at the time I had discovered that native people were less motivated to work, instead they complained a ton about life being unfair. Coming from a country of lesser opportunities, I wasted not time complaining. I took the jobs, I did them better than well. I wasn't afraid to work more than an average employee, I didn't care about schedules or unpaid hours, I did my job best. I grew, I got promoted quickly. I have been since in shock about how much people are willing to b*tch and whine while missing out on the opportunities.
Bath to the present day. Having the money I have now, I will hire the motivated and eager to work people in lieu of these who give high pitch sale speeches with big promises for a lot more money.
legal immigrants, paid all the fees, went to all the different places, had to wait a long time, then swore in. I am upset by all the people who are now given free stuff, without having to jump through all the hoops we did.
I'm so thankful for ppl like you! You are the quin essential American!! You know more about America and what she is meant to be more than the generational citizens who have allowed their children to be bought.
Thank you for this. America as I know it is not America that democratic party pushes for. I came from a place where democratic party leads America to and it was not the land of limitless opportunities. I will give my vote to Mr. Trump any day. He knows. He really does know
Exactly. Sad state of affairs, but truth.
Likewise. I emigrated legally as a ten-year old with my family from Germany. First my parents worked their butts off, then I did as well, cleaning houses, caring for elderly, then won a scholarship to become the first in my family to graduate from college, and became the embodiment of the American dream. What political narrative decided that GIVING FREEBIES TO ILLEGALS would be a good idea????? Disgusting.
they took all the damn worthless vaxxines forced upon them too....not so with the illegal border jumpers...now we're finding out a lot of them are about to coordinate and attack us from within, planned by the corruption deep actors behind our govt facade!
And don't forget the legal immigrants have been forced to take the vaccines throughout the years.
yes, we were not even asked if we had them before or if we had the illnesses (which I did) as kids. we were just punctured without any questions. Informed consent? never heard of. I had to redo my application so got 2 sets. And that will be the last ever
😭 thank you for sharing this. I didn't know.
Ingrid - 2 sets of vaccinations?! Ugh!! I am so sorry this happened to you (and your famiily?)
it was just me who came over, family still back there, not coming. I am probably a tough cookie since I had no adverse events (touching wood)
Awful! You were treated as badly as our military folks.
Notice how the subject of changing the track to becoming a citizen doesn’t come up? Nor does helping those who come in legally? It is so frustrating.
legal immigration is quite tough ! they could make that a bit easier and less legalese! And even that was different for some. At the ceremony I set next to a young woman who came in her Mercedes sports car and only had to wait 6 weeks, while I in my 15 year old Toyota van had to wait a year and a half, had to take the jabs, which she did not.. she obviously knew another door than I did LOL
It SHOULD be tough. And I'm sure that it is tough immigrating to most other countries...legally.
it should be tough in other ways. Most countries require at least a basic knowledge of the language. I think that is a must. Some basic knowledge about the history and political siituation. And some information should be given, like the lack of health care and the obligatory Xray and injections. The total mess of health care and insurance was a new for me LOL
Canada as a country is suffering in so many ways, over the past 5-6 years.
More so since the "Ukraine" war.
It's unbelievable to me, for instance, in a country with a large population of unskilled young Canadians willing to work (and who speak and understand English...):
Young Ukrainians and young people from India and Pakistan are being hired (and trained) to perform those 'entry level" jobs.
I can list numerous examples of negative experiences I've had, due to these new "hiring practices".
Just saying.
PS: They behave like they are ENTITLED. Live with "their own", barely speak English (and no French but mine is poor too...) and seem to dislike Canadians.
They turn up their nose to "serve" us and do it badly.
Hate to actually write all that but truth is truth.
it goes without saying, that a country should first and foremost take care of its own people. Why are these young Canadians unschooled, though? there must be schools were they could learn what is needed for a job? I remember from the old country, that they did the same - they 'imported' Polish and other former East block people because there were no 'skilled' laborors ; which means, not at the wage they wanted to pay ! As for myself, I preferred to work for myself rather than for an American boss.
They're not "unschooled" Ingrid.
They have high school educations...
Not everyone wants to go to Trade School at age 18, and if they do? Many need jobs to PAY for it.
Same with Uni: not everyone is a "scholar"... and if they are? Not everyone has well-to-do parents to foot the expenses.
So they need to WORK.
Young people seek "entry level" minimum wage jobs like:
Baristas, servers, fast food counter staff, convenience store clerks, Walmart "associates", even poker dealers and "security" jobs.
They can't get 'em though...
Elderly Canadians are being "served" by young foreigners who congregate at the self-check out, nattering amongst themselves in their native tongue... Completely ignoring customers. (Unless they are clearly Indian. Then they help them. In their native tongue.)
I live in a "tourist" town. Primarily a service industry town (no manufacring left...). Tourists and locals alike are "served" there food or dealt their cards by "handsome" or "pretty" young Ukrainian refugees who don't understand or speak English but they're also pretty incompetent and have a sense of "entitlement".
They have disdain for us... When asked how do they "like" Canada? Oh, how much "worse" Canada is than "back home"...
Companies are following deliberate (perhaps unwritten) hiring practices.
It's become a joke...
"And where are YOU from Nikita (or Olga)?"
ah, thanks. Living in a small, rural village in Georgia we do not have this kind of people. But I do remember some girls in a warehouse in Belgium who stood in the back doing nothing talking in their native language while we were working hard. Some of their compatriots talked with disdain about these profiteers. Most were Algerian, Tunisian or Turkish, and most hard working, like us! But these 2...
Lol... yep.
But that is Trudeau’s Canada!
True here too.
Ingrid, immigrant Americans like you embody the spirit of what it means to be an American. Thank you for reminding us.
Thank you Reasonable Horses, Americans like you make me even more glad I am your compatriot!
It IS!!
But only if you're a white person.
😡 Russian or Chinese diplomat child? They are all here at this BIG UNIVERSITY. ILLINOIS
That's infuriating 😡
The decline of a nation INGRID C DURDEN. Thank you for your contribution, thank you for becoming an American.
Glad to be here fellow American !
Me too me too
The only ones who are upset bc of your truths are the ones who lack incentive & work ethic.
You’ve nailed the state of our Union today.
America is about opportunity not equal outcomes for all.
Kudos to you for making the most of your opportunities with hard work, commitment, & perseverance! You exhibit the spirit of America at her best.
Naturalized citizens have my respect & admiration always. I believe they appreciate what we have here better than many natural born citizens.
Rush Limbaugh once pointed out that our Declaration of Independence declares ….”the PURSUIT of happiness” … not automatic happiness. It’s opportunity for that happiness.
You nailed it. By knowing the difference I value and appreciate. My spouse is born American from a struggling family who also built up from ground up. We both love this country and we do not want to lose what we have. Next election has so much at stake
Doesn’t upset me at all. Many Americans have an entitlement mindset. Happy for you that your hard work has resulted in your success!
You get no complaints from me, that’s the way it is done. It has nothing to do with the color of your skin or your sex. You go, guy!
Perspectives and also systematic beliefs
Agree
I think this synopsis leaves out a large chunk of the picture. I love legal immigrants as yourself. But I do believe that if you tried to replicate what you accomplished in the past in today’s economy and government you could not.
I also have a problem with the ones that come here today and have no intention of being “American,” and don’t do the hard work to become a citizen, but then they loudly tout how we OWE them big time because this country was built on their backs since they took the jobs none of us would. Yes, one of the new illegal immigrants recently claimed that and it was caught on hidden camera. That’s just not a truthful picture at all. Many of those jobs our citizens WOULD have taken but they didn’t pay what was bare minimum just to survive and feed their family. An illegal immigrant comes not wanting any American dream to own property or advance, or to raise an American family and children, and so they can live day to day in a way that nobody should have to live just to take the job over them. Many of them lived in single rooms with dozens of others and sent money back home since it was worth more there than it was here. They could not have lived here on those wages.
If our country was solely built on their backs, which I’m sorry it just wasn’t, but for the sake of argument if it was, then why in the hell did they never do these great things for their own country? And if they couldn’t then why didn’t they become American citizens and work to advance as you did, and then give loyalty and respect to their fellow citizens? Most couldn’t on the wages they agreed to work for.
I think this is a multifaceted situation and yours is just one small part of it, and while admirable and praiseworthy it is not fair to assume that those of us born here weren’t willing to work as hard as you did. We were, we did, and we are, and still it’s not enough anymore.
" We were, we did, and we are, and still it’s not enough anymore. "
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You have just described the culture of public school which is not EDUCATION but indoctrination having taken the place of parent and church with substitutes whose only interest is teaching subservience without love, charity, or thankfulness to human excrement who only want to get money to play. What they have children for is beyond my.... Are they that stupid? Yes.
Matthew 10:21 ...and children shall rise up against parents, and cause them to be put to death.
Mark 13:11 ...and children shall rise up against parents, and cause them to be put to death.
Romans 1:28-32 ...they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, hateful to God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, unmerciful: who, knowing the ordinance of God, that they that practise such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also consent with them that practise them.
2Tim. 3:1-4 But know this, that in the last days grievous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, railers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, implacable, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, no lovers of good, traitors, headstrong, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God; holding a form of godliness...
It’s called the American dream for a reason. Too bad our native born people seem only to want the fantasy of it and not the hard work it requires. If they don’t wake up quickly, it will become a national nightmare. Sweet dreams to all who honor work and strive to succeed and make the world a better place!
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Inventing an app as the apotheosis of creativity and skills, these days.
A steady diet of pathetic role models. The opportunists entrenched in elected offices are no better. We need to show and tell our people, “Stand at the crossroads and look; ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it’” (Jeremiah 6:16).
We absolutely want hard-working, legal immigrants like you. My father was one who came over from Cuba many years ago without any money. He put himself through school, became a dentist, served in the army during the Korean War, and was a hard-working, taxpaying citizen. Some of the people who come over now have heard about the free ride and places such as New York City, where they’re handed a free place to stay and $1000 debit cards.
Yes! My husband is an immigrant who fled his country in 1979. He came here with a few phrases in English and $2,000. He never took a penny from the government, ever. He drove a taxi out of LAX, and learned English studying the Thomas Guide and watching sitcoms on television. He would get up at 4am to prepare to drive an ice cream truck to Malibu beach and he sold ice cream during the summers while he went to community college. He made 20,000 each summer, which was a lot in 1980. Still today, he’s up before 5am and begins his day. He became very successful and wealth has followed.
I should also say that he is a Republican and a conservative, always has been. I was always on the more liberal side, and he would never get angry; he would just tell me that I was ‘naive’ and in his opinion, many Americans are. Eventually I woke up.
Immigrants as a whole can get a bad wrap. There are many who are socially conservative, and who will vote that way. Also, most do want to work and they work hard. They have the American dream in their hearts and minds and bring it to fruition. I fully agree with your comment.
God bless you and your good spouse.
Your husband epitomizes the American spirit. “We are a nation of immigrants” is a half-truth attempt to justify open borders when it should be a reminder that we are a nation of fresh starts and Godly gratitude for opportunities to make dreams come true.
A sad truth, Reader. A Chinese immigrant doctor I met one time expressed the same sentiment to me - "All you have to do is try," she said, about how easy it is to progress and succeed in the U.S. A friend originally from Benin said it's considered an insult among African immigrants to be called 'African-American,' because of the association with a lazy, entitled attitude.
My husband is the same. He came from Poland in 1986. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
You came here legally and followed the law which is good. You now reward the country that gave you far more than your home country ever could have (or you would have never left) by calling it's citizens a bunch of lazy malcontents.
Just maybe you could have come here, made your pile, and been grateful about the opportunity given you. Instead you take the opportunity to trash the people of the country that took you in.
This seems kind of harsh. If you have tried hiring from the pool of say, 20-somethings recently, you know that finding a hardcore work ethic is rare. It's not non-existent, just rare. I don't know how people get it, whether it is a personality type or environment or both, but it stands to reason that in a country with cushier accoutrements (like US of A), a person isn't going to develop that work ethic much via environment--there are just too many things that are pre-made, pre-prepared, pre-fabbed for us. I think this commenter is probably amazed that we have had it so good, materially, (too good, imho, not that I am not grateful but I see it as the "good times make weak men" chestnut) that entire skillsets and motivations have been lost, because Americans are trained FIRST to consume, and only SECOND to produce. I'm thinking this person's not trashing ALL the people, but like I said, a real work ethic is a rare thing, and has been for a few years now.
Canada is the same... We followed our Uncle Sam.
I’m pretty sure they aren’t trashing most, just the fact that they’ve all come from so much worse places, to see the ungrateful lazy fucks we have as half our nation, I agree with them. I busted my ass all my life to get where I’m at, and I don’t care who you are, or where you came from,if youre lazy, then you suck. You deserve nothing. And if you are willing to put your all into a shit job, with hopes to get better,welcome aboard. Here’s a person who is now hiring others, and I can’t imagine doing that in these days. So many people just suck. My bride brought a new nurse on board, just a few years ago. Orientation,training, for months. whole nine. First day she was to start on her own, she doesn’t show. Bride calls her, and she says, “oh didn’t I tell you I was moving back to Montana”? Who does that? People that suck.
Lol look around you Jeff. Sadly many of our own American citizens ARE lazy, entitled malcontents. What is it? You can’t stand the truth if it comes from a former outsider that is now a legal immigrant?
I didn't say that he was lying, nor did I disagree with his conclusion.
I pointed out that as a first generation immigrant, who had far more opportunity here than he would have had in his home country, he could have made his point without trashing the people who live here. He could have explained his rags to riches story without including "Americans are lazy complainers" which is the distillation of what he said. It reeks of ingratitude.
Plus there are plenty of Americans that do work hard and have their own rags to riches story (I know as I'm one of them). And there are plenty of bums in his home country that don't work hard or there would have been more opportunity there and he would have never left.
I have no problem with truth whatsoever. I do have a huge problem with people who come here, manage to make a pile of money, then trash Americans. Seriously, how is this any different from Illhan Omar?
The shallow thinking in these comments amazes me sometimes. I take issue with an immigrant trashing native born Americans and you claim I can't stand the truth? Did I say what he said was false? Of course not. I took issue with his ingratitude, which I made perfectly clear in my comment.
Edit: After thinking about this more I don't mean to take this all out on Reader. My frustration is that this self-hatred is what thirty years of media-induced collective guilt and "turn the other cheek Christianity" has wrought. An immigrant trashes native-born Americans as lazy complainers, and instead of being annoyed at the chutzpah of it, commenters fall all over themselves to agree with it.
I see your point, JC. He did admit reactions like yours have merit. My takeaway is more like, “Lazy people don’t succeed, and they’re stupid to complain about it.” That seems like a universal truth. It’s ironic in the land of opportunity.
Here’s the difference; I don’t take anything he said as trashing Americans.
I took it as Reader voicing surprised criticism on the poor work ethic of some people that he’s encountered. He’s entitled to his opinions and need not be a native born American to be justified in having them. This is no different than men expressing criticisms about abortion or non-medical professionals criticizing vaccines or people without children criticizing schools for indoctrinating kids.
Jeff C - Fla Mom expressed it best about new Americans from Africa. It doesn’t apply to you, or to me or to many others, but SHE, Ingrid, has a right to comment on the obvious as you have a right to feel insulted. I think we all frequently see what she describes in the American workforce and in our society in general. She possibly earned her right to comment on the all-too-obvious. Think this out, pls.
I guess it was Reader who started this. Sorry, Ingrid. Free speech though is important.
Yep. Important pretty much no matter who it comes from and sometimes especially important when it stings a little.
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The best people I worked with and supervised were not the most intelligent or the most talented; rather the best people were those who most enthusiastic about working.
I suspect many of the illegal immigrants streaming across our southern border are enthusiastic about the opportunities now available to them here in the United States, unlike the countries they struggled so hard to flee from. They may surprise the Democrat/Communist strategists when they don’t vote for socialism.
I wish it were true that a contingency of illegal immigrants would have a work ethic and be against socialism… but the data contradicts that. People have said “they come here to do jobs Americans won’t do”, etc… The data actually shows they are huge recipients of social welfare handouts. I can’t remember the actual percentage, but it’s high, like in the 80s I believe. So actually they come here for handouts, not work (the ones that aren’t even worse criminals).
They might still come for work, but it's a rare person who will reject free money. There are plenty of hardworking farm hands where I live, who are immigrants.
Our government, particularly the federal government, is the entity at fault. I don’t blame the people illegally crossing our borders, but like drugs and alcohol once people get hooked on the government handouts, it becomes very hard to break free. The same can be said for a whole variety of federal government programs where the government has usurped power and wealth rightly belonging to the states and the people and used it to wield undue influence and control. Sadly too few recognize they have been suckered in.
Do I ‘blame’ those who cross our borders illegally? I think that’s the wrong term. I hold them accountable for breaking our laws. I hold our oath-breaking elected officials accountable for breaking their oaths of office.
The free money can’t last forever, and people in the habit of getting a free ride will suddenly get kicked off the bus. I wonder what kind of reaction the psy-op planners expect.
the Mexican families near by are all hard working in gardening, having their own business so I think all of them are legally.
I hope so, and not that you should be suspicious of your neighbors, but “illegal immigrant” doesn’t mean none know how to fit in. Since the Mexican-American War, the southern border has been leaky both directions. Many illegals still sneak in, behave and lay low, take hard-labor jobs under the table, and happily earn minimum wage. Some work here for 4-6 months and go back to Mexico to live like kings the rest of the year. Rinse, repeat. Border states have functioned fairly well that way. The problems have always been cash leaving the US, fewer entry-level jobs, and too many American kids who don’t know the value of starting at the bottom and working hard with dirty fingernails.
In Canada: we followed the same strategy as our Uncle Sam.
Since 2015 & Turdeau's tenure, this country has gone to hell in a handbasket.
And it was a QUICK demise. Didn't even take "a generation" for it to become unrecognizable...
My kids are a few of the best and brightest and I have friends that have much the same and frankly DEI and COVID sht has made what America work place was forty years ago unbearable. They KEEP ppl who only want to be slave holders and they abuse those with real work ethic and it happens to the older generation who are towing the line for higher ups who fawn and excuse worthless ungrateful lazy lustful idiots like themselves.
One is castigated by "co-workers" to not "work so hard" because: that'll raise THEIR bar higher.
They hate seeing people actually do their jobs well and EFFICIENTLY.
I, and workers like me? Are perceived as THREATS!!
A friend of mine who owns a landscaping company says about a certain group of workers (you can use your imagination as to what group) that the ethos is this:
One guy will take 8 hours to dig a 20-foot ditch.
The next guy who works the job will take 8 hours to dig a 15-foot ditch.
A third guy will spend the 8 hours digging 10 feet of ditch.
And be recognized by the first two as the smartest one.
While he said this about a certain immigrant culture, I have observed the same mentality among Teamsters of all races, all ethnicities. I know because I was one. And I was the one who pissed all the others off, because I'd finish my route 3 hours earlier than the other guys. I had a knife pulled on me, a guy telling me to knock it off, slow down. I didn't, then they started giving me the worst routes. Whatever. I'm never gonna be that person who takes a nap on the route. You literally can't pay me to do that!
We hope so.
if you worked hard and got ahead....you are a very small minority. The majority gets screwed one way or another unless you're in the ownership family.
I live in AL. Nothing you said upset me. People who come here with nothing but the clothes on their back do better than some (not most) of our own native-born. It's a fact. Many people born here don't want to work and they don't have patience to work hard, make good decisions, and build wealth. They fall for get-rich-quick-schemes like buying lottery tickets and other sorts of gambling. When that doesn't work, they drink alcohol or do drugs, or sometimes they start with the drugs first. It's our fault, not yours.
If some people can't relate to my comments, try living in a high % welfare grifter state. My first job was at a grocery store located across from section 8 housing. Anyone who's seen 1/10th of what I've seen is against generous social welfare.
Right? Love the welfare collectors who drive to the office in brand new SUVs and have salon manicured talons! It's a thing.
Well done Reader.
I understand.