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Kathy Boston's avatar

Another legal win for somebody who was fired for not taking the vaccine. $13 m😁

https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/woman-awarded-13-million-in-blue-cross-blue-shield-of-michigan-lawsuit/

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John Cougar Misanthrope's avatar

Two great attorneys are representing the individual plaintiffs. BCBSM's conduct was diabolical based upon witness testimony. Expect a few more verdicts like this.

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Kathy Boston's avatar

Hopefully a religious exemption will not be needed, eventually. Informed consent should be necessary.

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John Cougar Misanthrope's avatar

In a nutshell, the basis of BCBSM's defense in each case is that the individual plaintiffs did not demonstrate a sincerely-held religious belief to justify a religious accommodation under Title VII. You can judge by the verdict how that was received by the jury.

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Vida Galore's avatar

Yes - this still enrages me, honestly. Why can't we just say no because we don't want it? Why do we need a religious exemption? And I'm a Christian. I think maybe they were using this as a way to track Christians, honestly.

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John Cougar Misanthrope's avatar

Someone who I know that has been actively monitoring the situation strongly suspects that it was a force reduction move due to the timing of the firings.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Completely agree!!!

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CaplT's avatar

The court is not the arbiter of how religious one has to be to hold religious beliefs. That is unconstitutional.

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Alice in Wonderland's avatar

The Court is the arbiter of whether or not the State has violated the Constitution in any action it has taken. The Constitution sets forth the limited powers the State may exercise; outside of those, all other rights inhere in the People. (Parenthetically, Biden and Walz both *utterly* clueless about this simple, basic, and critically important fact; as are countless others, of course.)

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AngelaK's avatar

What exactly does your religious belief have to be? I think Jeff discussed this at one time years ago.

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John Cougar Misanthrope's avatar

Sincerely held.

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Alice in Wonderland's avatar

Yes! Thank you for providing this response ~ the one and only correct response, regardless of how little respected by the countless defendants and various benighted courts. Amen.

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AngelaK's avatar

But what if you are a Christian but don't want vaccines more because of the negative health reasons than actual religious reasons. No traditions that I know of say ' no vaccines'. If the religious belief is bodily autonomy, then ok.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

The vaxx was developed with the aid of testing on aborted fetal lines. Catholics believe abortion is murder. Therefore using anything that is derivative of those murdered children is religiously objectionable.

Ergo Catholics and anyone else who believes abortion is murder may not take part in vaxxes derived from murder.

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AngelaK's avatar

Thank you.

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Michele's avatar

Then you are looking for a medical exemption.

The religious belief that corresponds is no "pharmakeia."

Peggy Hall videos go into this.

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CaplT's avatar

It is on his web site

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Fred's avatar

Informed consent is no more:

On 21Dec2023, the Department of Health and Human Services and FDA issued a final ruling to amend a provision of the 21st Century Cures Act to allow:

...an exception from the requirement to obtain informed consent when a clinical investigation poses no more than a minimal risk to the human subject...

This ruling went into effect 22Jan2024.

Note that there's zero definition of "minimal risk!”

I’ll add that the Covid shots are still being called S&E!

Jeff???? πŸ™πŸ»β€οΈπŸ™πŸ»β€οΈπŸ™πŸ»

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Tom's avatar

Minimal risk with no benefit is still unacceptable. I am the judge of risk and benefit when it concerns my own safety. I am under no obligation to accept the arrogation of this authority by anyone at all.

Furthermore, HHS and FDA are taking a position for which we hanged people at Nuremberg.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Yes, arrogation is well used.

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Kathy Boston's avatar

Can Kennedy change this?

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Francis's avatar

Don't get your hopes up. "Advisers to the president-elect questioned whether Mr Kennedy would make it through a security check for a cabinet position." Unfortunately, we may see a bait & switch here.

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Principled Pragmatist's avatar

I don’t know who said this, but if they try this, we, the people will be hitting the streets!!

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Francis's avatar

"Mr Trump’s camp is now questioning whether Mr Kennedy could get confirmed for a cabinet-level position by the Senate, obtain security clearance"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/11/07/trump-campaign-quietly-distances-rfk-jr-vaccines/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

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AngelaK's avatar

I saw that, but don't trust that paper, so...

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Jamison's avatar

Agree. Stop listening to propaganda media.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yesβ€”consider the source!

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Susan W's avatar

I did not think that RFK, Jr was up for a cabinet seat from the beginning? I thought it was something altogether different though I don't recall what it was described as.

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Hilary Butler's avatar

If someone wouldn't pass a security check for a cabinet position, would he not also fail the security check to be president had the country voted him in?

Or is this media states just more woke bovine excrement?

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Alice in Wonderland's avatar

There would have to be, at minimum (since they like that word so much), some reasonable standard SET OUT IN THE ENABLING RULING (sounds doubtful that it's there) in order for such a broad AND vague exception to withstand judicial review. Sorry (Not sorry).

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Leo's avatar

Yikes!

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daverkb's avatar

A exemption is a state granted permission to do something which somebody 'legally' could not otherwise do. Exemption is begging. It's 'citizens' begging the tyrant daddy state. 'Citizens' reduced to slaves begging The Master. And so, where are the unalienable Rights in all of this? Where are the people the owners of government?

It gets back to the two controlling questions: 1) which is greater, the master or the servant?, and 2) where do Rights come from, God or the god state?

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Peace's avatar

Religious exemptions need to be "claimed" - NOT "requested" - big difference!

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daverkb's avatar

Claimed? Not requested? The distinction is a word trick, a word gimmick.

The government cannot infringe upon an unalienable right. That is, the government cannot ask a person to claim, request something that is not in their possession in the first place, not theirs to give.

Just look at 'unalienable' in the law dictionary (at least the old American ones) and you will find that what is unalienable inheres in the person, and cannot be bought or sold, nor transfered. And unlike latches, what inheres can always be reasserted because it is a property which never lapses.

I see what you are saying but I think waters here are muddied with confusing one kind of right with another ... the unalienable right with the civil right. We are talking about property rights here, and where they come from ... either God or the state. And 'claiming' is also a confusion. In the right is unalienable, we are then talking standing more than 'claiming'.

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UncleWiggly's avatar

The government infringed, violated and took away all our unalienable rights under the covid fraud. All of those responsible should be in prison, if not executed for crimes against humanity, but not a single one is.

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daverkb's avatar

The real start of 'a taking' of the unalienable rights was in the War Between the States period. And then again in 1913, and then again all gone with FDR ... and only a facsimile of constitutional government ... this is only a rough approximation. But 911 and C19 was the coup de grace on steroids. After that, it's been total enslavement and total tyranny. So said.

And the strangeness is that the Russians in their daily life are 'freer' than the American, Europeans, and Down Under. Who would have thunk it?

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UncleWiggly's avatar

I can't comment on the Russians as I have never been to Russia and don't know any. I do know that Britons, Canadians and Anyone in the EU does not have freedom of speech and the Brits are imprisoning people for facebook posts that go against "accepted speech". The entire West is going full on fascist.

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daverkb's avatar

I was in Russia in 1968. Things there were much freer than under Stalin and before. When all this Russia, Russia, Russia stuff started going on I began looking into Russia again ... and I was shocked at how much things had changed. Many expats say the Federation is more like US was in the 1950's. And as to tone, I agree. But otherwise, very modern looking in a fresh and clean way. No place is perfect, but Russia has done a remarkable turnaround under in these the Putin years. America? Poor America the depraved is now crumbling. Let's hope the next four years do us better.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

Watch Tucker's video about Russia! Your eyes will be opened! It is vastly different!

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Leo's avatar

Yes, that is the awesome power of invoking an "Emergency."

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Roger Beal's avatar

Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

That which is Caesar's does NOT include an American citizen's body, thoughts, religious beliefs, or privately-held property.

Pretty simple, actually ... and is so often the case, Scriptures provide wise guidance.

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striketheroot's avatar

Last I checked the U.S.A. is a corporation and there seems to be no consensus on who owns it. My question is can a Corporation also be a Ziocracy simultaneously?

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daverkb's avatar

I am with you as to corporation (and actually a constellation of incorporations). And there is no consensus on how this all works because all government in the Collective West is a covert operation. However, it is likely that the City of London figures in. And also, the Vatican as the central registry of 'ownership'. Also, 'ownership' in trust, holding companies, etc.

Ziocracy? Why not? Trackers track by following tracks ... and so I ask one and all a question. Which group is the most over-represented group in key positions in the 'US government' by numbers as a percentage of the population? And if it quacks like a duck, it is probably not an ostrich or a penguin ... maybe not even an armadillo!

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

My wife recently filed her annual religious exemption - from the stupid COVID deathvax, but also for the flu vax.

You get the distinct impression that they no longer care about the COVID thing but would really rather not have medicos refusing the flu vax (not that the flu vax is ANY more effective.)

Well tough shit, Big pHARMA. You made this bed, lie in it. You've totally lost the trust of the people who are paying attention.

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AngelaK's avatar

Do they ask specific questions relating to how exactly this goes against your religious beliefs? I would like to have some idea for when my granddaughter goes to school, as she is unvaxxed.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

No, but I crafted her religious exemption by among other things, specifically citing Title VII and her right to reasonable accomodations under the law.

Additionally the text specifically cites her Roman Catholic faith, and the fact that participating or benefiting in any way with the sin of abortion is morally unacceptable to Catholics, and therefore vaxxes which have been in any way developed - even tangentially - through the use of aborted fetal cell lines, contravene the Catholic faith.

Finally, I cited the fact that we attend Mass every Sunday and Holy Day of Obligation, & support the Church with our tithes, as well as donate to pro-life charities.

I did this to foreclose any arguments that the religious exemption is not based on a sincere belief.

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Dawn B's avatar

It depends what state you are in. CA may not allow or be easy, but in FL, I just went to the health dept and asked for a religeous vaccine exemption form and they gave it no questions asked for my 3 kids...15 yrs ago

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Gotta love the state of Florida.

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AngelaK's avatar

Thank you. God willing, they will be in Florida with us by then.πŸ™

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Peace's avatar

Legally, they (any entity) can't require an individual to specify religious exemption details. In the state of NC, a student religious exemption is accepted with a simple statement from a parent/guardian such as "It is my God-given right to claim a Religious Exemption on behalf of my child, (First Last)." Signed by parent/guardian and dated. All states (and colleges if that is the age of your child) have different requirements for obtaining a student religious exemption - what state are you in?

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AngelaK's avatar

Florida.

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SB's avatar

Right? It doesn’t take a religious reason to decide what I put in my body. If democrats can choose what to remove from their bodies, why can’t I decide what goes in?!

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Seriously. As a researcher as soon as I saw there was no real consent it was obvious it was a total lie and farce and no one should comply.

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Fred Richmond's avatar

Keep both

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LMWC's avatar

And our lovely, (not), Governor’s father was president of BCBS.

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Marc Wadaga's avatar

Whitmer for Gitmo

Worst. Governor. Ever.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Let her share a cell with Cuomo and JB (recognizing that JB takes up enough room for three people).

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

Dingell uggh Talib triple ugghh

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John Cougar Misanthrope's avatar

A big chunk of money for Whitmer’s campaigns came from contributions from interest groups affiliated with Big Med and Big Insurance. It’s why major media outlets like the Detroit News which pretends to be conservative-leaning and the Freep which makes no pretense of its leftist leanings, along with the local TV stations and radio tread lightly with Whitmer - advertising revenue from those sources.

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

Detroit news are fakers

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Lisa Ca's avatar

β€οΈπŸ˜‡

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SA's avatar

Next step would be identifying the people who followed through with the firing. BCBS will just increase rates to cover fines and fees, but real change comes when we hold people accountable.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

They need to be hunted down and prosecuted like the Mossad did to the escaped Nazis after the war.

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Susan Banks's avatar

And like they are doing to Palestinians now! What a torn down place Gaza is!!!

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Copernicus's avatar

Exactly. Otherwise it's all the Anthem customers who foot the bill.

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nt's avatar

I’m so thankful for any justices happening! πŸ™ but Oh man …I wish this for my sister!! She taught special ed in California and the county she worked for was DIRTY ! Several dissenters have a great case-but because β€œCalifornia” they can only appeal to the Supreme Court $$$$$$$

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Kathy Boston's avatar

Pacific Justice institute are the ones who handled the case in San Francisco. They won 8 million. .

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John Cougar Misanthrope's avatar

Great organization to which I donate.

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nt's avatar

Thanks Kathy !! I’m passing this on!

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Lisa Ca's avatar

❀️

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JF's avatar

Yes Lord, we ask for justice to be given for this sister, in Jesus Name!

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nt's avatar

Thank youuuuu ! πŸ™

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LamedVav disavows all vaxes.'s avatar

I hops your sister gets her 13 million soon!

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cat's avatar

Bravo. Time to go after the corporations and companies that fired people for not taking the vaccine.

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patrick.net/memes's avatar

Yes. Mandating that poison to billions of people was the worst crime against humanity ever, resulting in at least 15 millions deaths and helping no one but Pfizer and Moderna.

The vaxx is dangerous and ineffective, but even if it were not, it would still be a crime against humanity to force mass injections of anything, much less the new Thalidomide:

https://patrick.net/post/1377537/2022-11-03-everyone-who-imposed-toxxine-mandates

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LamedVav disavows all vaxes.'s avatar

Amen, Patrick! Double amen! πŸ™

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

That’s gonna be a very interesting logical twist because the president elect is the one who made it.

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patrick.net/memes's avatar

He likes to claim credit, but the mRNA death jab was in the works for many years before Trump. Alway failed safety tests. The DoD was looking for an opportunity to test it on masses of innocent people, and then the Deep State needed an excuse for mail-in ballot fraud in 2020, so it all worked out well for them. And Pfizer was happy to get $100 billion for participating in the mass murder by injection, knowing that their corruption had created a law exempting themselves from responsibility. (The PREP Act)

Now Trump needs to stop claiming credit and publicly state that it is obviously dangerous and worse than ineffective.

Remember how the media was screaming that no one should take "Trump's vaccine" until the moment Bidet occupied the White House, then the exact same poison was praised to the heavens and the worst crime in human history started as billions were mandated to inject it?

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Lorita's avatar

Oh so that's why my BCBS health insurance went up almost $37 a month!

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Do as my medico wife and I did 3 years ago.

After spending all our adult lives paying into the medical insurance PONZI scheme, where we paid several hundred dollars a month only to never get a dime of benefit (because we never reach our annual deductible) we ditched it entirely and put that money back into our own pocketbooks.

Divorce yourselves from these lying insurance providers and Big Medical. Put that money into a savings account and insure yourselves.

And, stay the heck away from the fake medical system.

3 years later, we have never once needed to see a doctor about anything. Never going back. Break free.

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AngelaK's avatar

That is great until you get into your 60s. Medicare is a blessing, and illnesses and tests are far beyond what you can save.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

I'm in my 60’s and did not and will not enroll in Medicare. I will have NO part in the scam. I have not seen a doctor professionally since Jan. 2020.

Your mileage may vary.

But think about how much money you're paying into insurance each month. Multiply that by 12, then realize how much you'd have if you needed it, in one year, two years, three years and more.

Get healthy. Stop eating all processed foods - especially seed oils. Treat sugar like the deadly white poison it is. Go outside and bask in the sunshine.

And stay away from the BS biannual checkups (Big Pharma sales pitches.)

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LamedVav disavows all vaxes.'s avatar

Hate Medicare! No good. Death panels. If you’re over 72 they will kill you without you knowing it. Over 72 - they will deny life saving procedures. Be your own doctor, or join Tom Cowan’s new biology clinic, or Andrew Kaufman’s fellowship.

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AngelaK's avatar

$170 medicare payment x 12 is not much. My husband's life saving surgery alone would have cost 50k.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

You can negotiate what you pay. Cash is king.

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OnTheJump's avatar

Yep ! Great story.....again, HOPEFUL!

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axons007's avatar

they are going to review legal options and their "path forward" - which means they are going to do nothing because they are beat badly due to evil manipulative bad behavior and overreach. Now they will have to lay down and take it because the success of this case only means there will be more. They deserve nothing less. Hope it bankrupts them (but not until Trump Administration FIXES HEALTH CARE) - we are going to be SO HEALTHY we won't even miss them !

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Brian Lombardi's avatar

BCBS: "We respect religious freedom"

Also BCBS: except for ANYONE who put in a religious exemption for the COVID jab

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Janet's avatar

Came here to share this. You beat me to it.

GREAT news!!!

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Good! That’s great news. Now do the rest of the mil

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Erin W's avatar

β€œWhile Blue Cross respects the jury process and thanks the individual jurors for their service, we are disappointed in the verdict.”

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