I don’t know about stupid, but certainly apathetic. They can’t see the logical conclusions of decisions that seem “good” today but ultimately result in horrible consequences. I guess that is a form of stupid….I like to think that they are just too involved in their everyday lives to think critically when the first glance seems okay and their life isn’t immediately impacted.
So rather than American voters are stupid, I think American voters are not critical thinkers and struggle to look at or make long term decisions (I reserve the right to change my mind though 😂)
I can sort of agree but most Americans lives have been impacted immediately the last 4 years. Inflation is real for most of us. Crime and drugs are impacting most every city. Kids being overwhelmed w woke ideologies is in 90% of the schools. These are immediate but somehow they will make it close in those 6 swing states to complete the double steal.
I learned a long time ago, to my chagrin, that 85% of the people out there do not connect dots. They simply can’t or don’t think more than about 2 or 3 steps. Sad but true I’m afraid.
I'm going with stupid. My communist nasty sister in law has told me she "will not listen to MY facts". Nobody owns facts. If they are facts, then they are simply that. If not , they are opinions. Told he years ago many NFL games are fixed. She told me I was crazy. Years later, one of her nephews told her the same thing. She was incredulous, but believed him. While she , and many Americans are not inherently stupid, she, and they are willfully stupid. TDS is a perfect example of what I am saying, and she has a terminal case of it.
When I was in 3rd grade years ago, I have a very vivid memory of being pulled out for some type of testing one on one. A large part of that was composed of a lesson on the definition and differences between fact, inference and opinion followed by a set of various situations that I was asked to identify as one of those above choices. My guess is that is was part of some aptitude/intellegence testing. But it made a huge impression on me at the time. All children should learn to make these distinctions.
If people can have their own facts and science is supposedly based on facts, then that means science can be whatever you want it to be apparently 😑 Which checks out for these people 🙄
Lol! I’ve been saying for decades that most people can’t or won’t do a simple “if-then” analysis. They just don’t think things through! Actions have consequences, at least consider those consequences and don’t think that your actions would necessarily change those consequences.
I also believe something has happened beyond schools to interfere with people's understanding. My nieces and nephews are homeschooled and they're bright kids. We were having a back and forth through text, being silly, and all of a sudden, they texted to say they didn't know if I was being serious or not. I was definitely not being serious; they weren't being serious. They were saying ridiculous things, I was saying ridiculous things. It was very strange. In context, I don't know how anyone could have thought the conversation was serious. They're readers. My son is not. He couldn't tell if I was being serious or not either, and he knows me pretty intimately.
I have two older boys that don't have any problem with that and never have, so I don't think it's that my nieces, nephews and son are just too young to comprehend. I just think they don't. Something made it happen. Maybe it was the lockdowns? Maybe it's TikTok brain?
Fascinating….my younger 2 have a touch of autism (okay, one is much more than a touch) and both struggle with things like that a little
I sadly followed the vaccine schedule - I’m sure the drugs changed in the 9-13 years between my oldest who does not have these issues and the next 2….I blame myself and the damn vaccines for much of this
You can't beat yourself up about what you didn't know. How could you know? I found out when a vaccine killed my firstborn, otherwise all my children would have been vaccinated. It's not our fault that we've been lied to and abused.
I know the vaccines have caused all kinds of problems but the my nieces, nephews and sons haven't been vaccinated at all. So I can't blame their inability to comprehend on that. I don't know what is causing it, but it's very concerning to me.
… or how about this illogical dandy… “VOTING BLUE NO MATTER WHO”…. Ignorance at its most profound… not voting for…. performance, or calculating economics of a former president or the current incumbent, no concern for the wars and impending WW3… libs just state repeatedly… “hate orange man bad, voting blue no matter who”… the 💉💉💉💉💉 really did turn brains to gibberish…
Unfortunately, I think the issue began long before the shots. Barack Obama was elected President for two terms in spite of the insidious things he did to stir up hatred and division. I couldn’t understand at the time why people couldn’t see him for what he really was—someone who had no love for the United States and her people. Unfortunately those 8 long years were successful in “fundamentally transforming the United States of America.” Into something that is becoming less recognizable every day.
I don't think it's so much that they are stupid, but that they have lost the ability to exercise common sense. They are ruled by their emotions, and gravitate towards whoever panders to them and validates their feelings in the moment (be they good, bad, or ambivalent). It's a pretty obvious sign of widespread mental illness, as it demonstrates people cannot distinguish between their feelings and objective reality.
There have always been a slice of the population like this but they have exploded in numbers in recent years. All by design of course, and wildly exacerbated by psychotropic meds, the destruction of supportive community (e.g church and social clubs), online demagogues, and the proliferation of "therapy" that encourages people to dwell on their problems instead of rising above them.
It's not a pretty picture and it doesn't bode well for society. But it does give those of us who don't fall prey to this stuff a great opportunity to be productive and do quite well for ourselves. At least until society collapses.
I agree but can take the point further. There are two classic ways to reason, Greek and Judeo- Christian. In the Greek tradition here are the steps: 1. I’m confronted with a fact 2. I have an emotional response to the fact 3. I look for other facts to reinforce my emotional response allowing my feeling to dictate my reality. 4. I act based on what makes me feel good, In the Judeo-Christan tradition: 1. i’m confronted with a fact 2. I have an emotional response to the fact 3. I evaluate my emotional response against what the truth is / God says 4. I bring my feelings into alignment with the truth 5. I act based on the truth, not allowing my feelings to dictate my reality. Historically all falling society’s shift their mindset to the greek tradition when they reject the fact that their is absolute truth/ God. It catapults them into hedonism and destroys everything it touches. This is a simplified explanation as I teach this starting in 6th grade to homeschool kids and build from there. The key point is the rejection of the concept that truth is absolute. When we’re unwilling as people to die to ourselves we loose all ability to reason.
Your comment today is supportive of the previous discussion of a fluoridated, vaccinated society; also contributors of the conditions you so well described. The more recent of those interventions seems to be causing a rapidly diminishing degree of common sense.
I agree! I particularly like when he explains how the government has manipulated different economic numbers, like discontinuing counting the homeless as unemployed, because if they aren’t looking for a job they aren’t really unemployed. 🙄
Too many American Voters are apathetic, source their info from social media or are swayed by Group Think. They are naively arrogant. The Harris campaign loves these Voters.
The sum total of the popular vote isn’t what counts. It’s a state by state election. Jeff listed the swing states. Trump can win 100% of the rest of the country and still lose
So on planet earth, what countries have smart voters? UK, France? Hahahah. Seems like Argentina and El Salvador and some eastern European countries and Russia. The rest are as dumb as Americans.
Jonathan Gruber was correct; the American voters are stupid.
I don’t know about stupid, but certainly apathetic. They can’t see the logical conclusions of decisions that seem “good” today but ultimately result in horrible consequences. I guess that is a form of stupid….I like to think that they are just too involved in their everyday lives to think critically when the first glance seems okay and their life isn’t immediately impacted.
So rather than American voters are stupid, I think American voters are not critical thinkers and struggle to look at or make long term decisions (I reserve the right to change my mind though 😂)
I can sort of agree but most Americans lives have been impacted immediately the last 4 years. Inflation is real for most of us. Crime and drugs are impacting most every city. Kids being overwhelmed w woke ideologies is in 90% of the schools. These are immediate but somehow they will make it close in those 6 swing states to complete the double steal.
I learned a long time ago, to my chagrin, that 85% of the people out there do not connect dots. They simply can’t or don’t think more than about 2 or 3 steps. Sad but true I’m afraid.
I'm going with stupid. My communist nasty sister in law has told me she "will not listen to MY facts". Nobody owns facts. If they are facts, then they are simply that. If not , they are opinions. Told he years ago many NFL games are fixed. She told me I was crazy. Years later, one of her nephews told her the same thing. She was incredulous, but believed him. While she , and many Americans are not inherently stupid, she, and they are willfully stupid. TDS is a perfect example of what I am saying, and she has a terminal case of it.
When I was in 3rd grade years ago, I have a very vivid memory of being pulled out for some type of testing one on one. A large part of that was composed of a lesson on the definition and differences between fact, inference and opinion followed by a set of various situations that I was asked to identify as one of those above choices. My guess is that is was part of some aptitude/intellegence testing. But it made a huge impression on me at the time. All children should learn to make these distinctions.
If people can have their own facts and science is supposedly based on facts, then that means science can be whatever you want it to be apparently 😑 Which checks out for these people 🙄
Lol! I’ve been saying for decades that most people can’t or won’t do a simple “if-then” analysis. They just don’t think things through! Actions have consequences, at least consider those consequences and don’t think that your actions would necessarily change those consequences.
You can thank the school system.
I also believe something has happened beyond schools to interfere with people's understanding. My nieces and nephews are homeschooled and they're bright kids. We were having a back and forth through text, being silly, and all of a sudden, they texted to say they didn't know if I was being serious or not. I was definitely not being serious; they weren't being serious. They were saying ridiculous things, I was saying ridiculous things. It was very strange. In context, I don't know how anyone could have thought the conversation was serious. They're readers. My son is not. He couldn't tell if I was being serious or not either, and he knows me pretty intimately.
I have two older boys that don't have any problem with that and never have, so I don't think it's that my nieces, nephews and son are just too young to comprehend. I just think they don't. Something made it happen. Maybe it was the lockdowns? Maybe it's TikTok brain?
Fascinating….my younger 2 have a touch of autism (okay, one is much more than a touch) and both struggle with things like that a little
I sadly followed the vaccine schedule - I’m sure the drugs changed in the 9-13 years between my oldest who does not have these issues and the next 2….I blame myself and the damn vaccines for much of this
You can't beat yourself up about what you didn't know. How could you know? I found out when a vaccine killed my firstborn, otherwise all my children would have been vaccinated. It's not our fault that we've been lied to and abused.
I know the vaccines have caused all kinds of problems but the my nieces, nephews and sons haven't been vaccinated at all. So I can't blame their inability to comprehend on that. I don't know what is causing it, but it's very concerning to me.
Yes I agree, those people don’t understand actions and consequences.
… or how about this illogical dandy… “VOTING BLUE NO MATTER WHO”…. Ignorance at its most profound… not voting for…. performance, or calculating economics of a former president or the current incumbent, no concern for the wars and impending WW3… libs just state repeatedly… “hate orange man bad, voting blue no matter who”… the 💉💉💉💉💉 really did turn brains to gibberish…
Unfortunately, I think the issue began long before the shots. Barack Obama was elected President for two terms in spite of the insidious things he did to stir up hatred and division. I couldn’t understand at the time why people couldn’t see him for what he really was—someone who had no love for the United States and her people. Unfortunately those 8 long years were successful in “fundamentally transforming the United States of America.” Into something that is becoming less recognizable every day.
👆🏻🎯🎯🎯👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Frightening
I blame the public schools
I don't think it's so much that they are stupid, but that they have lost the ability to exercise common sense. They are ruled by their emotions, and gravitate towards whoever panders to them and validates their feelings in the moment (be they good, bad, or ambivalent). It's a pretty obvious sign of widespread mental illness, as it demonstrates people cannot distinguish between their feelings and objective reality.
There have always been a slice of the population like this but they have exploded in numbers in recent years. All by design of course, and wildly exacerbated by psychotropic meds, the destruction of supportive community (e.g church and social clubs), online demagogues, and the proliferation of "therapy" that encourages people to dwell on their problems instead of rising above them.
It's not a pretty picture and it doesn't bode well for society. But it does give those of us who don't fall prey to this stuff a great opportunity to be productive and do quite well for ourselves. At least until society collapses.
I agree but can take the point further. There are two classic ways to reason, Greek and Judeo- Christian. In the Greek tradition here are the steps: 1. I’m confronted with a fact 2. I have an emotional response to the fact 3. I look for other facts to reinforce my emotional response allowing my feeling to dictate my reality. 4. I act based on what makes me feel good, In the Judeo-Christan tradition: 1. i’m confronted with a fact 2. I have an emotional response to the fact 3. I evaluate my emotional response against what the truth is / God says 4. I bring my feelings into alignment with the truth 5. I act based on the truth, not allowing my feelings to dictate my reality. Historically all falling society’s shift their mindset to the greek tradition when they reject the fact that their is absolute truth/ God. It catapults them into hedonism and destroys everything it touches. This is a simplified explanation as I teach this starting in 6th grade to homeschool kids and build from there. The key point is the rejection of the concept that truth is absolute. When we’re unwilling as people to die to ourselves we loose all ability to reason.
God bless you and right on the money.
Great comment, spot on Jeff C.!
They lack a spiritual framework. No anchoring to truths so they navigate life by their emotions.
Once a 🐑 always a 🐑.
Your comment today is supportive of the previous discussion of a fluoridated, vaccinated society; also contributors of the conditions you so well described. The more recent of those interventions seems to be causing a rapidly diminishing degree of common sense.
Peter St Onge (a great economist if you aren’t familiar with him), had a great article this week with a similar theme:
https://open.substack.com/pub/profstonge/p/how-did-american-voters-get-so-dumb?r=z2cc5&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
He is very good. Explains things well.
I agree! I particularly like when he explains how the government has manipulated different economic numbers, like discontinuing counting the homeless as unemployed, because if they aren’t looking for a job they aren’t really unemployed. 🙄
And that's been going on since at least Obama.
Way before him
It has been going on since Alexander Hamilton.
agree, he's great
Too many American Voters are apathetic, source their info from social media or are swayed by Group Think. They are naively arrogant. The Harris campaign loves these Voters.
The vaxx proved that.
The sum total of the popular vote isn’t what counts. It’s a state by state election. Jeff listed the swing states. Trump can win 100% of the rest of the country and still lose
No one can lose by getting 100% of the electoral college.
They voted for the Kenyan twice. No additional proof is needed to support Gruber’s assertion.
So on planet earth, what countries have smart voters? UK, France? Hahahah. Seems like Argentina and El Salvador and some eastern European countries and Russia. The rest are as dumb as Americans.
Yes they are and are easily swayed by shiny objects and special effects.
Worse than stupid, they are ignorant and they don't know the difference.
The ones who vote for his party, yes. Stupid and/or apathetic.